comment by N_six0six (U13776)
posted 2 minutes ago
It's fine Martial, obviously you're afraid or whatever to try and take me on, I expected more of you but there we go.

If you're going to run away and not try and combat my points then there's no point to this. Better luck next time chap

Original point still stands it seems!

"I think theres a fairly major point being missed here. Regardless of whether McLaren passed information onto Honda or not they do not know how the Mercedes PU works. Yes they can see what the engine physically looks like but we all know that by now, it get snapped every Thursday at Grand Prix's.

Only Mercedes really knows whats going on inside and with the control units. Yes Honda can build a engine that 'looks' the same, but to build one that is the same, well that's another story. I feel this simple point has been somewhat ignored irrationally

Plus Honda-McLaren was announced in May 2013, so unless they threw away a years worth of work they won't have been entirely copying what the Merecedes lump 'looks' like."

To be honest I thought it was pretty naive to go against me to start with

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as i said nsix these are your " points " and not mine and they are not even points because like me and everybody else on here we dont have the foggiest idea on the real relationship between mclaren and mercedes

----------------- all i have ever said is i believe there has been communication between mclaren and honda about the merc PU -

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- it really is that simple

Then why did you take me up on my points then Martial? I didn't make you disagree with me. You replied to me, I didn't reply to you

Seems you've had a total brain fade, maybe best to call it a night before you say something silly

comment by N_six0six (U13776)
posted 7 minutes ago
Then why did you take me up on my points then Martial? I didn't make you disagree with me. You replied to me, I didn't reply to you

Seems you've had a total brain fade, maybe best to call it a night before you say something silly
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no -------- thats not a F1 related point -

--- have another go with something F1 related

Now this is desperate, what do you want me to say mate, you've run away from the argument. Unless you can't counter me I don't need to say anything

This is truly tragic, tragic and embarrassing

So a question about what information an F1 team gave to their future F1 engine supplier about their current F1 engine, isn't an F1 related subject?
Could you explain to everyone how that can be?
As MUDD said, that is an embarrassing answer.
You accuse other people of 'running away' from your arguments. This is a classic example of what actually happens.
I don't think I've ever seen you counter any argument with sensible answers.
Its just, "fluck me gc I'm no f1 engineer how am I supposed to know what information they would be communicating".
Well if you can't think of what sort of information they might communicate, why make the statement in the first place?

Well if you can't think of what sort of information they might communicate, why make the statement in the first place?
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Eloquently put

I just re-read the article as well, not the comments, just the article. How can someone be so constantly clueless?

Comment - all i have ever said is i believe there has been communication between mclaren and honda"

Is that statement true? Was that all he said? That statement could simply mean that McLaren informed Honda that there is a photo of the Merc PU on the web.

This was the point he originally made and desperately clung to.

"on the plus side to that i would imagine that mclaren ( despite them probably saying otherwise ) would have drip fed honda as much in depth information on the merc donkey as was humanely possible with given the computer wizardry they have at there fingertips i would imagine was fairly substantial -"

This is the problem with attempting to have a reasonable discussion with MA. He simply lacks the ability to understand F1. The sensors on the PU will record simple data such as running temps, power store and usage etc. these sensors are designed to enable the engineers to identify critical problems arising during a race so they can take corrective action. They will not tell the pit wall how the problem arose - that has to wait until the Merc engineers investigate post race.

As I have pointed out - the only people of interest to Honda are the Merc people that designed and tested the PU and they are in great demand by both Renault and Ferrari.

Never mind. Let this nonsense Cary on until we reach 1,000 comments.

comment by N_six0six (U13776)
posted 20 hours, 44 minutes ago
Now this is desperate, what do you want me to say mate, you've run away from the argument. Unless you can't counter me I don't need to say anything
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what argument is there -

all i have ever said is i believe mclaren have been in communication with honda and people have just added bits on that have no relation to my opinion because they cannot counter that opinion -

------------------- simple as that

comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 14 hours, 2 minutes ago
So a question about what information an F1 team gave to their future F1 engine supplier about their current F1 engine, isn't an F1 related subject?
Could you explain to everyone how that can be?
As MUDD said, that is an embarrassing answer.
You accuse other people of 'running away' from your arguments. This is a classic example of what actually happens.
I don't think I've ever seen you counter any argument with sensible answers.
Its just, "fluck me gc I'm no f1 engineer how am I supposed to know what information they would be communicating".
Well if you can't think of what sort of information they might communicate, why make the statement in the first place?

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are you really this stupid GC that you want me to repeat the same thing over and over and over again ABC parrot fashion

once again i will repeat myself -
------------ i am merely of the opinion that mclaren did and maybe still are in some kind of communication to honda about the merc PU because of the obvious benefit it would bring to both mclaren and honda -

i have no idea what that communication might of been as the real intricacies of those engines are way , way , way , to complex to truly understand to anybody not involved in F1 -
------------------ are we now completely clear

comment by WTCBU (U13662)
posted 7 hours, 3 minutes ago
Comment - all i have ever said is i believe there has been communication between mclaren and honda"

Is that statement true? Was that all he said? That statement could simply mean that McLaren informed Honda that there is a photo of the Merc PU on the web.

This was the point he originally made and desperately clung to.

"on the plus side to that i would imagine that mclaren ( despite them probably saying otherwise ) would have drip fed honda as much in depth information on the merc donkey as was humanely possible with given the computer wizardry they have at there fingertips i would imagine was fairly substantial -"

This is the problem with attempting to have a reasonable discussion with MA. He simply lacks the ability to understand F1. The sensors on the PU will record simple data such as running temps, power store and usage etc. these sensors are designed to enable the engineers to identify critical problems arising during a race so they can take corrective action. They will not tell the pit wall how the problem arose - that has to wait until the Merc engineers investigate post race.

As I have pointed out - the only people of interest to Honda are the Merc people that designed and tested the PU and they are in great demand by both Renault and Ferrari.

Never mind. Let this nonsense Cary on until we reach 1,000 comments.
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so what point are you actually making and how does it relate to my initial comments that mclaren and honda have talked about the merc PU for there obvious mutual benefit -
------------ you are not actually saying anything of any substance as usual or making a point

comment by M.U.D.D - Luke Shaw makes me throb with desire (U9612)
posted 17 hours, 14 minutes ago
This is truly tragic, tragic and embarrassing
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oh fluck me -- the oil executive is throwing his innuendo around again without even making a point of his own

comment by martial artist (U9033)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by N_six0six (U13776)
posted 20 hours, 44 minutes ago
Now this is desperate, what do you want me to say mate, you've run away from the argument. Unless you can't counter me I don't need to say anything
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what argument is there -

all i have ever said is i believe mclaren have been in communication with honda and people have just added bits on that have no relation to my opinion because they cannot counter that opinion -

------------------- simple as that


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I'll get it as simple as I can for you....

I made a stand alone statement

you took it up to disagree with me

now you're claiming you didn't (running away)



Simple enough for you
If you're done then stop coming back for more, even more simples

comment by N_six0six (U13776)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by martial artist (U9033)
posted 2 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by N_six0six (U13776)
posted 20 hours, 44 minutes ago
Now this is desperate, what do you want me to say mate, you've run away from the argument. Unless you can't counter me I don't need to say anything
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what argument is there -

all i have ever said is i believe mclaren have been in communication with honda and people have just added bits on that have no relation to my opinion because they cannot counter that opinion -

------------------- simple as that


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I'll get it as simple as I can for you....

I made a stand alone statement

you took it up to disagree with me

now you're claiming you didn't (running away)



Simple enough for you
If you're done then stop coming back for more, even more simples
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i make it as simple as i can for you -

repeat your " stand alone statement " whatever it is and i will see if it has any relation to my initial comments which it probably does"nt and i will dissect " your stand alone statement it and see if it actually has the slightest of substance -


bring it on if you have got the guts or pretend you cant be bothered to find it like you normally do -

" simple enough for you "

I've repeated this for you 5 times now, 5 whole times. Glad to know you are not at all on the ball

Don't pick a argument if you haven't got the guts to follow it through mate. Either tell the truth and own up, or follow it through


Ha still can't believe how many times you've forgotten this

"I think theres a fairly major point being missed here. Regardless of whether McLaren passed information onto Honda or not they do not know how the Mercedes PU works. Yes they can see what the engine physically looks like but we all know that by now, it get snapped every Thursday at Grand Prix's.

Only Mercedes really knows whats going on inside and with the control units. Yes Honda can build a engine that 'looks' the same, but to build one that is the same, well that's another story. I feel this simple point has been somewhat ignored irrationally

Plus Honda-McLaren was announced in May 2013, so unless they threw away a years worth of work they won't have been entirely copying what the Merecedes lump 'looks' like."


and for reference as you seem to not realise, a PU is a lot more than a engine these days.

Vanished!

Think he'd at least wait around for 5 minutes after asking me for something. When is running away running away

Just jerking your chain Martial

His coffin probably calling him

MA, read your own words. "would have drip fed honda as much in depth information". Not just communicate snippets as you later claimed you'd said. IN DEPTH were your exact words.
So tell us Mr 'biff on the head' (see mental health thread), what IN DEPTH information do you think Mclaren drip fed to Honda? You must have had something in mind to have used those particular words.

N6, I laid it all out for him point by point earlier on this thread, as we all have. He dismisses logical arguments with throw away remarks which mean nothing to hide his lack of knowledge.
He then claims to be logical in his thinking and arguing.
Yes MA, shock horror I am talking ABOUT you, gossiping if you want. But there is no point talking TO you because it tends to end up in the usual codswallop you post.

The guy said anonymous communication too. Poor soul is not aware that communication can be verbal and written.

He's just full of shít

What amuses me is that we all get told we are gutless or cowards for not "supposedly debating" with him, however we respond to queries but you do not martial.

Do you know what cowardice means?

“you are not actually saying anything of any substance as usual or making a point “

MA's non too subtle way of running away.

When does the benefit of the doubt run out

comment by N_six0six (U13776)
posted 23 hours, 48 minutes ago
I've repeated this for you 5 times now, 5 whole times. Glad to know you are not at all on the ball

Don't pick a argument if you haven't got the guts to follow it through mate. Either tell the truth and own up, or follow it through


Ha still can't believe how many times you've forgotten this

"I think theres a fairly major point being missed here. Regardless of whether McLaren passed information onto Honda or not they do not know how the Mercedes PU works. Yes they can see what the engine physically looks like but we all know that by now, it get snapped every Thursday at Grand Prix's.

Only Mercedes really knows whats going on inside and with the control units. Yes Honda can build a engine that 'looks' the same, but to build one that is the same, well that's another story. I feel this simple point has been somewhat ignored irrationally

Plus Honda-McLaren was announced in May 2013, so unless they threw away a years worth of work they won't have been entirely copying what the Merecedes lump 'looks' like."


and for reference as you seem to not realise, a PU is a lot more than a engine these days.

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again that is not relevent to my point it is something that you have just added on to my point because you could not counter my point -

my very simplistic point was that mclaren would have been passing snippets of information to honda -

the bits thats you added on were not relevant to my point and had nothing to do with my point and were purely added on because you could not counter my point and just basically added on rubbish
--------------------- simple as that