she was really nice grandspurs, I kind of felt odd because we knew each other.
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I reckon she was blind and she was definitely deaf if she fell for your old patter
The details of this case are out in public domain. If you read through the evidence and statements that have been provided, my opinion is that he is innocent. People forget there were two footballers and one woman in a hotel room. The original verdict makes no sense. How could one of them be let off and one of them be convicted? They either both sexually assaulted her or they didn't.
Anyway I think due to him appealing his case, which I feel he is entitled to do, clubs should wait on what happens before deciding to sign him because he is already been brandished as a convicted rapist so it won't help him get employed by a club anytime soon.
Evans' girlfriend is a moron for sticking with him though. Although I think he was innocent of rape, he did cheat on his girlfriend with this 19 year old girl so why she forgave him so easily is beyond me!
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I disagree about Lee Hughes crime being worse, yes the end result was a death but he didn't go and kill the person deliberately, it was the sad consequence of his drunken driving. Until such time as his conviction is overruled, Ched Evans is a convicted rapist out on licence and his actions against that girl were very deliberate and harmful, one to one against weaker prey. Very different, he decided to violate her, Lee Hughes was stupid and paid for it by living with a death on his conscience now for ever. But he didn't set out to kill a person. Ched knew what he was doing....and still did it.
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Are you joking?? Whether Evans knew what he was doing or not does not make his crime worse than killing someone. Surely Hughes knows drink driving is wrong?? Both crimes are very wrong but Hughes in my opinion has quite literally got away with murder
If both parties are drunk and end up in a hotel room voluntarily how can any conviction be safe? Footballers are very well paid young men and will have attractive girls offering them all sorts on a regular basis. He isn't the first and he won't be the last to cheat on his girlfriend. If he was good enough (which he isn't) I would have no problem with him playing for Spurs.
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The dirty sluuts need to take responsibility.
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Oh dear.
I don't know. Those sort of cases are a minefield, one word against another. I'm sure there are plenty that have been convicted wrongly, but loads that have got away that are guilty. The best thing for a girl to do is not go back to strangers hotel rooms, or get so drunk she doesn't know what she's doing.
Who asks permission before the act? Victorians? Most people who are drunk have their judgment impaired, so technically all are taken advantage of. I'm sure plenty of us have been with someone they wouldn't normally due to drink.
I'm not up for banning him. He's served his time, and that's what jail is for. If he was to be punished further he should still be there. I don't seek an apology from him as its not a cut and dried case for me - I'm 50/50.
It's down to the individual employer. They have the decision to make, not society - society's punishment has finished. I personally wouldn't want him at Spurs until his name was cleared, but it's not for me to tell other clubs fans what to think, or my own for that matter
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Has every conviction been cut and dried then Sizzle? Never been a miscarriage of justice?
To me these cases are never cut and dried. There is no evidence, just one word v another.
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Only about 300yrs out
I know it's a blunt thing to say, but I dont think ive ever asked verbally, have you? It's such a tricky area, and when booze is thrown in it gets murkier.
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If, as someone else mentioned earlier, the girl doesn't remember having se x with the other guy before Ched Evans, how can anyone including her be absolutely certain that she didn't consent?
I don't know what happened in that hotel room anymore than the rest of you but it seems dubious at best as to how sound his conviction can be under these circumstances.
Irrespective of whether you think he's guilty or not (i believe he's innocent), he should be allowed to play on as others have done before him.
The fella's being made a scapegoat.
I simply can't see a single reason why Oldham shouldn't sign him. He's not a role model. Your parents are role models, not footballers, pop stars or actors. He should have to apologise as he's hoping to clear his name.
Give the guy a break and give him the chance to make a meaningful contribution to society!
"should" should read "shouldn't"
If he has served his sentence then he should be allowed to play.
There seems to be a big play made of the fact he has not apologised or shown remorse, but he believes he was innocent.
The easy decision for Evans would be to apologise and devote his spare time to campaigning/educating kids etc so they don't go astray, then he could get on with his career and would probably be accepted.
The fact he wants to clear his name IMO shows that he truly believes there has been a miscarriage of justice & therefore why should he seek forgiveness etc It would undermine his position if on the one hand he is seeking to overturn the ruling while on the other saying sorry for raping a girl.
Perhaps he should accept that until his name is cleared his career in the UK is on hold. Take himself out of the limelight and hope to start afresh next season.
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she was really nice grandspurs, I kind of felt odd because we knew each other.
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I reckon she was blind and she was definitely deaf if she fell for your old patter
posted on 6/1/15
The details of this case are out in public domain. If you read through the evidence and statements that have been provided, my opinion is that he is innocent. People forget there were two footballers and one woman in a hotel room. The original verdict makes no sense. How could one of them be let off and one of them be convicted? They either both sexually assaulted her or they didn't.
Anyway I think due to him appealing his case, which I feel he is entitled to do, clubs should wait on what happens before deciding to sign him because he is already been brandished as a convicted rapist so it won't help him get employed by a club anytime soon.
Evans' girlfriend is a moron for sticking with him though. Although I think he was innocent of rape, he did cheat on his girlfriend with this 19 year old girl so why she forgave him so easily is beyond me!
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comment by Tottenham Northspur (U11349)
posted 9 hours, 6 minutes ago
I disagree about Lee Hughes crime being worse, yes the end result was a death but he didn't go and kill the person deliberately, it was the sad consequence of his drunken driving. Until such time as his conviction is overruled, Ched Evans is a convicted rapist out on licence and his actions against that girl were very deliberate and harmful, one to one against weaker prey. Very different, he decided to violate her, Lee Hughes was stupid and paid for it by living with a death on his conscience now for ever. But he didn't set out to kill a person. Ched knew what he was doing....and still did it.
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Are you joking?? Whether Evans knew what he was doing or not does not make his crime worse than killing someone. Surely Hughes knows drink driving is wrong?? Both crimes are very wrong but Hughes in my opinion has quite literally got away with murder
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If both parties are drunk and end up in a hotel room voluntarily how can any conviction be safe? Footballers are very well paid young men and will have attractive girls offering them all sorts on a regular basis. He isn't the first and he won't be the last to cheat on his girlfriend. If he was good enough (which he isn't) I would have no problem with him playing for Spurs.
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Oh dear.
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I don't know. Those sort of cases are a minefield, one word against another. I'm sure there are plenty that have been convicted wrongly, but loads that have got away that are guilty. The best thing for a girl to do is not go back to strangers hotel rooms, or get so drunk she doesn't know what she's doing.
Who asks permission before the act? Victorians? Most people who are drunk have their judgment impaired, so technically all are taken advantage of. I'm sure plenty of us have been with someone they wouldn't normally due to drink.
I'm not up for banning him. He's served his time, and that's what jail is for. If he was to be punished further he should still be there. I don't seek an apology from him as its not a cut and dried case for me - I'm 50/50.
It's down to the individual employer. They have the decision to make, not society - society's punishment has finished. I personally wouldn't want him at Spurs until his name was cleared, but it's not for me to tell other clubs fans what to think, or my own for that matter
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Has every conviction been cut and dried then Sizzle? Never been a miscarriage of justice?
To me these cases are never cut and dried. There is no evidence, just one word v another.
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Only about 300yrs out
I know it's a blunt thing to say, but I dont think ive ever asked verbally, have you? It's such a tricky area, and when booze is thrown in it gets murkier.
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If, as someone else mentioned earlier, the girl doesn't remember having se x with the other guy before Ched Evans, how can anyone including her be absolutely certain that she didn't consent?
I don't know what happened in that hotel room anymore than the rest of you but it seems dubious at best as to how sound his conviction can be under these circumstances.
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Irrespective of whether you think he's guilty or not (i believe he's innocent), he should be allowed to play on as others have done before him.
The fella's being made a scapegoat.
I simply can't see a single reason why Oldham shouldn't sign him. He's not a role model. Your parents are role models, not footballers, pop stars or actors. He should have to apologise as he's hoping to clear his name.
Give the guy a break and give him the chance to make a meaningful contribution to society!
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"should" should read "shouldn't"
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If he has served his sentence then he should be allowed to play.
There seems to be a big play made of the fact he has not apologised or shown remorse, but he believes he was innocent.
The easy decision for Evans would be to apologise and devote his spare time to campaigning/educating kids etc so they don't go astray, then he could get on with his career and would probably be accepted.
The fact he wants to clear his name IMO shows that he truly believes there has been a miscarriage of justice & therefore why should he seek forgiveness etc It would undermine his position if on the one hand he is seeking to overturn the ruling while on the other saying sorry for raping a girl.
Perhaps he should accept that until his name is cleared his career in the UK is on hold. Take himself out of the limelight and hope to start afresh next season.
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