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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charlie (U13806)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Galv: Harry Kaned : ESPN Dwarf (U10415)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charlie (U13806)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Galv: Harry Kaned : ESPN Dwarf (U10415)
posted 3 minutes ago
You control a people by keeping them in fear.
You think the terror alert will ever go down to green or blue?
Nah....it's just to remind you, if you forgot, that you are supposed to be scared of the latest enemy we've told you about.
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A bit like when ISIS behead people and film it,a bit like ISIS entering villages and town killing 100's of people to spread fear throughout the region.

That is controlling people with fear and in the process killing thousands.

BTW in the figures regarding the 2%,can you put in the figures about attacks tfrom islamists hat have been thwarted by the security services over that period
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You mean ISIS that were armed by America when they weren't the enemy?
Didn't really hear too much about them.
Now they're not doing Yanks bidding, they're the enemy, and oh look, let's give them all this coverage.
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No this is the ISIS that is being funded by both the Saudi and Qatari royal families at present
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And a lot of IS wealth was also created when they captured Mosul.
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They get something like a million a day from the oil they've looted.

Jesus christ some of you need to give all these non sporting debates a rest on here

comment by Robb - I live until I die. (U19350)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charlie (U13806)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Galv: Harry Kaned : ESPN Dwarf (U10415)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charlie (U13806)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Galv: Harry Kaned : ESPN Dwarf (U10415)
posted 3 minutes ago
You control a people by keeping them in fear.
You think the terror alert will ever go down to green or blue?
Nah....it's just to remind you, if you forgot, that you are supposed to be scared of the latest enemy we've told you about.
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A bit like when ISIS behead people and film it,a bit like ISIS entering villages and town killing 100's of people to spread fear throughout the region.

That is controlling people with fear and in the process killing thousands.

BTW in the figures regarding the 2%,can you put in the figures about attacks tfrom islamists hat have been thwarted by the security services over that period
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You mean ISIS that were armed by America when they weren't the enemy?
Didn't really hear too much about them.
Now they're not doing Yanks bidding, they're the enemy, and oh look, let's give them all this coverage.
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No this is the ISIS that is being funded by both the Saudi and Qatari royal families at present
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And a lot of IS wealth was also created when they captured Mosul.
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They get something like a million a day from the oil they've looted.
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Who is buying the oil from them?

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 39 minutes ago
Both sides of the debate on this are just as bad as the other. You can't criticise western media and the danger and perception it is guilty of creating whilst also quoting from an Internet source that doesn't even define the context it has used.

It is the same in the charlie hebdo thread where I'm increasingly convinced those offended by it (and some defending it) have never even read the magazine itself and are instead copying the opinion of bloggers and frantically searching google to find an image to be outraged about for all the wrong and stupid reasons.

It's why debates like this should not be had on a football forum and need to stop.
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Sorry melts but I do not believe I am wrong here

I said yesterday, I have not even seen the hebdo cartoons, nor did I go looking for them. I hadn't even heard of it until these attorcities.

I just get so bored and angry with people who say ' yes, I condemn these murders but'

There is no but. This is cold blooded murder. Justifying it even in the slightest way is horrendous.

Take the article. Muslim extremism accounts for 2 percent of terrorism in this country. Not only do I believe that us skewed in terms or what terrorism is. Semantics if you will. But also I don't care if it's only 1 percent. It's still a threat. A very dangerous threat. And articles like this play down that threat.

Of course the media sensationalise it. They think about their bottom line. Berating Islam is trendy. But I said yesterday that the Muslim society should fight back and show the world the ignorant are wrong. Not because of need but because of wanting to right a wrong.

I honestly believe it would do so much good

comment by Galv: Harry Kaned : ESPN Dwarf (U10415)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charlie (U13806)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Galv: Harry Kaned : ESPN Dwarf (U10415)
posted 3 minutes ago
You control a people by keeping them in fear.
You think the terror alert will ever go down to green or blue?
Nah....it's just to remind you, if you forgot, that you are supposed to be scared of the latest enemy we've told you about.
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A bit like when ISIS behead people and film it,a bit like ISIS entering villages and town killing 100's of people to spread fear throughout the region.

That is controlling people with fear and in the process killing thousands.

BTW in the figures regarding the 2%,can you put in the figures about attacks tfrom islamists hat have been thwarted by the security services over that period
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You mean ISIS that were armed by America when they weren't the enemy?
Didn't really hear too much about them.
Now they're not doing Yanks bidding, they're the enemy, and oh look, let's give them all this coverage.
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Sigh

This person is everything that is wrong

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Macca but we funded ISIS to fight Assad

Just like we funded Bin Laden to fight the Russians

Funded the radicals to take over Iran

Now we are dealing with the consequences of those actions.

We should just not waste our resources in the ME or waste the lives of British soldiers. Bring them all home and spend our money here.

Maybe we'll get murdered for doing an article no-one had to read

comment by Galv: Harry Kaned : ESPN Dwarf (U10415)
posted 16 minutes ago
Clinton killed 500,000 kids with sanctions, Bush invaded Iraq & Afghanistan, Obama drone bombed six countries, but "Muslims are so violent"
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You utter utter cretin

Name me one person who has stated Muslims are violent

You're too extreme for this debate idiot

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We should just not waste our resources in the ME or waste the lives of British soldiers. Bring them all home and spend our money here.
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At least we agree on one thing

comment by Walter Sobchak (U6426)
posted 23 minutes ago
Very interesting and revealing MUDD. Even though I do try to keep informed through independent news sources, I'd have never imagined the rate was so low.

As a question (apologies if it's already been asked), do you have any figures on death tolls according to the type of attack? I'd expect perception and press coverage to be heavily influenced by how lethal the attacks are, so both might be partly explained if fundamentalist terrorism statistically cause a greater number of victims. Other factors might include the actual and location of the attack - for example, a beheading on the high street of a London neighbourhood would understandably attract more attention than a man shot inside his home somewhere in rural Kosovo.
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I agree with that view, even in the article they note that extreme radical islam attacks seek to kill as many people as possible.

Like I said, the goal of these lunatics (terrorists) is not just to kill but to keep us scared and terrified. I remember after 9/11 few people wanted to get on planes and was even on a plane when someone did not want to sit close to a sikh who he thought was an A-rab.

The point I am making and I have made here and the article attempts to do is present facts. This tactic does not apply to just terrorism but other discussions.

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)

How many potential islamic terrorist attacks were thwarted by the security forces throughout the EU?.

If those attacks weren't stopped then I bet the 2% figure would be massively higher

comment by 🇬🇧 MARK.🇬🇧 (U1449)
posted 2 minutes ago
We should just not waste our resources in the ME or waste the lives of British soldiers. Bring them all home and spend our money here.
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At least we agree on one thing
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I am very wary of perceptions because they are dangerous and can lead to very evil things. The holocaust for example. People viewed the jews as the problem and eventually what happened.

We live in a world today where a lot of propaganda is trotted around in the name of "news." I am not asking anyone to take anything lightly but be aware there is a bias which is not in our national interest but an ideology that is very dangerous and truth be told has a lot more in common with radical islam although both will disagree

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 minute ago
Macca but we funded ISIS to fight Assad

Just like we funded Bin Laden to fight the Russians

Funded the radicals to take over Iran

Now we are dealing with the consequences of those actions.

We should just not waste our resources in the ME or waste the lives of British soldiers. Bring them all home and spend our money here.
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Mudd

I lent a very good friend of mine 10 grand a few years ago to get out of a mess

We drifted apart somewhat because of job moves etc but still kept in sporadic touch.

I found out a few months ago he came into some money and he had spent it on a top of the range car by a mutual friend. He's a bit of a playboy, the reason he got in the mess in the first place.

I called him to confront him and he told me I was talking bollox and he'd paid me back already. He was my best mate.

Funding someone to help them because you believe you are doing the right thing doesn't mean you can't regret it when they change.

Your argument is loose at best.

comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charlie (U13806)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)

How many potential islamic terrorist attacks were thwarted by the security forces throughout the EU?.

If those attacks weren't stopped then I bet the 2% figure would be massively higher
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I do not know mate, we could also say, in the same vein how many were thwarted from the other 98%.

Whatever the case, these acts are evil and should be given coverage. I do not believe that is too much to ask

comment by The Guvnor III V.I.K-Give me a scotch.I'm starving (U12889)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
comment by Wonder Man (U11164)
posted 1 minute ago
Yesterday someone showed me a clip from Fox News, which I shall try and find a link for, which basically just told outright lies about Muslims in Britain and the EU.
It's as scary as it is funny, I mean, that's their actual news.
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Wait till you see what they say on the news in north korea.
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As awful as FOX News is the guy in question was an independent 'expert' who has been widely ridiculed and has since apologised for his ludicrous statements.

comment by UnitedRedMacca (U2024)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 minute ago
Macca but we funded ISIS to fight Assad

Just like we funded Bin Laden to fight the Russians

Funded the radicals to take over Iran

Now we are dealing with the consequences of those actions.

We should just not waste our resources in the ME or waste the lives of British soldiers. Bring them all home and spend our money here.
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Mudd

I lent a very good friend of mine 10 grand a few years ago to get out of a mess

We drifted apart somewhat because of job moves etc but still kept in sporadic touch.

I found out a few months ago he came into some money and he had spent it on a top of the range car by a mutual friend. He's a bit of a playboy, the reason he got in the mess in the first place.

I called him to confront him and he told me I was talking bollox and he'd paid me back already. He was my best mate.

Funding someone to help them because you believe you are doing the right thing doesn't mean you can't regret it when they change.

Your argument is loose at best.
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I'm afraid yours is the loose one.

Without our weapons and money there would be no ISIS.

Without our intervention in the ME, Iraq would not be what it is today

Without our intervention in Iran, it would be a secular society

Without us training Bin Laden, Al Qaeda would not have existed.

Actions have repercussions, to assume they do not is naive in the extreme.

You have no argument I am afraid

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charlie (U13806)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)

How many potential islamic terrorist attacks were thwarted by the security forces throughout the EU?.

If those attacks weren't stopped then I bet the 2% figure would be massively higher
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I do not know mate, we could also say, in the same vein how many were thwarted from the other 98%.

Whatever the case, these acts are evil and should be given coverage. I do not believe that is too much to ask
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Reported 14th Nov 2014 and is just Britain alone

Theresa May has revealed that 40 terror plots have been foiled by British security services since the 7/7 bombings in 2005, as she unveiled a new counter-terrorism bill.

The foiled plots include a planned Mumbai-style gun attack, the planned murder of members of the armed forces, an attempt to bring down a plane, and an attempt to assassinate an ambassador.

The Home Secretary told a counter terrorism event in London that since April 2010, 753 people have been arrested on terrorism-related offences, while 212 people have been charged and 148 have been successfully prosecuted.

Which is excellent and a tribute to our security forces. How many of those were driven by religion and how many of those were separatists?

How many separatist attacks were foiled?

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 5 seconds ago
Which is excellent and a tribute to our security forces. How many of those were driven by religion and how many of those were separatists?

How many separatist attacks were foiled?
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I don't think the SNP have the capability or the extremist element to plan and execute terrorist separatist attacks in the UK.

What separatists do you mean?

comment by phil neville has three left feet-je suis charlie (U13806)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 5 seconds ago
Which is excellent and a tribute to our security forces. How many of those were driven by religion and how many of those were separatists?

How many separatist attacks were foiled?
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I don't think the SNP have the capability or the extremist element to plan and execute terrorist separatist attacks in the UK.

What separatists do you mean?
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Generally I am speaking of far right/far left groups

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