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Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg has said his party will continue to oppose a so-called "snoopers' charter".
David Cameron has said the intelligence services need new powers to store and read the contents of communications in the wake of the attacks in Paris.
'Vast information'
Mr Clegg said he backed targeted measures to identify suspected extremists and if necessary examine their communications, saying the state had always reserved the right to "steam open a letter" if it thought those behind it meant harm to others.
But he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that one element of what Mr Cameron was proposing would go much further and would involve "scooping up vast amounts of information on millions of people - children, grandparents and elderly people who do nothing more offensive than visiting gardening centre websites".
"Privacy is a qualified right. If someone wants to do us harm, we should be able to break their privacy and go after their communications," he said.
"But the snoopers' charter was not about intercepting communications.
"It was about storing a record of all your social media activity, of every website you have visited of every single individual in this country, of people who would never dream of doing anyone else any harm, would never dream of becoming a terrorist or having anything to do with extremist ideologies.
"The question we need to ask ourselves, in a free, open society as we defend our values against the abhorrent attacks we saw in Paris, is where do you draw the line?"
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The one day that all humans act as one people and live in peace is the day Aliens invade.
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as long as it's not an uncontrolled invasion, i'm happy
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I'm sure most people think that Muslims just one day decided they hated the West on a whim.
Why does no one look at who is responsible?
You keep picking away at someone, eventually they bite back.
It's like a teenager winding up their parents, they show a lot of patience, the moment they flip, the teenager acts as if they're the bad guys ''It's so unfair"
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So they show us by blowing up their own countires market places and busessure showed us..
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Not sure where you're going with this one tbh........
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Why would you attack your own people to get at 'the west'
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I was talking about the attacks on the West.
Sure there are problems in the ME that have nothing to do with us..................
But that doesn't stop us being there like a squatter just in case there's anything in it for us.
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The reality is there will never be peace, humans love fighting
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So many can be manipulated to commit horrendous crimes in the name of religion/honour/right for the state
From clerics to politicians the majority of us are just cannon fodder to be used when fit to fulfill their agendas often without us questioning the reasons why
Fascinating, One wonders if we would be more susceptible to this if we were in a constant state of fear/paranoia.
"Data laws
Draft Communications Data Bill 2012 - Would have extended the range of data communications companies have to store for 12 months. It would have included, for the first time, details of messages sent on social media, webmail, voice calls over the internet and gaming, in addition to emails and phone calls. Officials would not have been able to see the content of the messages without a warrant. The bill, dubbed the "snoopers' charter" by critics, was blocked by the Lib Dems.
Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act 2014-15 - Introduced as emergency legislation to maintain the requirement for phone and internet companies to log records (but not content) of calls, texts and internet use.
Counter-Terrorism and Security Bill 2014-15 - Part of the bill going through Parliament would add to the Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act to allow internet protocol (IP) address matching. This would identify the individual or the device that was using a particular IP address at any given time.
So in conclusion,the west has funded muslim's which is a good thing,or bad thing,and now jihadi's are targeting the west,Jews,christain's,yazidi's,but it is knida our fault,just as the cartoonists brought it on themselves?
So where do we go from here?
We all know that it is not all muslims,but some idiots will adopt ignorant and lazy views,just as some muslim's do likewise.
Extremism is the enemy,as is jihadist ideology,weak or dangerous foreign policy,and fundamental religous nutters,of all faith's.
Some folk are moving too far in the,all muslim's are right,direction,just as blaming all muslim's is wrong too.
It is complex,and not simply a case of bad west,versus poor wee islamists.
We have Jewish kids and people in France now afraid to walk the street and go to worship,or attend school,and this is as bad a any racism in our midst.
Exactly how is Israel or the west to blame for African islamist violence,btw?
No doubt the so called west has messed up on foreign policy etc,but as humans,we always do,and the followers of islam are a bad as the rest of us for doing the wrong thing.
Just sayin like.
I understand what you are saying. For all the wrong we did in the ME, we did what we did apart from the Iraq war with the "best" intentions.
There is no excuse for murder, none whatsoever. I would prefer however we stopped meddling in affairs in the region. It is not in our national interest
We often hear that jihadi's react to western influence in muslim nations'.
By this logic,the rise of the right in Europe may be linked to mass movement by migrants into Europe?
Makes sense,eh?
Daredevil
I agree the west should not have gone into Iraq,or Kabul,and we have messed up badly in Syria too.
I also believe people such as me,from a white Christian and British loyalist background need to learn more about islam.That is partly why I enjoyed chatting with the posters here,as I have little to no contact with muslim's here in Belfast/NI.
We all need to listen to each other more,and respect each other,rather than constantly adopting us and them stances.
Peace, and interesting article.
So we should leave iraq + others to fight isis? All the muslim countries came crying for help, should we just have said no and let isis take over?
Stupendous
That is a good point,re.isis now,and I was referring to earlier invasions by Blair of WMD fraud fame.Blair incidentally was on today saying he gave I RA terrorists a get out of jail card,to get sinn fein into the peace,so we will likely do deals with jihadi's down the line?
ISIS are vermin,and the whole world should help to stop them,but if it is just the yanks and brit's,in the main,islamists will use this to beat us.Arab and muslim states should sort it,imo.
I salute the Brit's and yanks for going in to save folk such as yazidi's,who were being slaughtered and hunted down by isis rats.
However,sad to see Turkey sitting watching kurds standing alone v isis,for Turkish selfish interest,and that is the problem there.Too complicated to fix.
And if we try,we will be attacked,and apologists will say we deserved it.
Yeah, why doesnt the rich muslim countries step in? Qatar ect, I had read some states may be funding isis, but no idea if thats true
The only thing the US and UK are doing to fight ISIS is the odd airel bombardment and providing arms to Iraq army and Kurds.
The Arab league are US puppets. They don't get a say with US foreign policy. The countries that rebel have been Iraq, Syria and Iran.
Allegedly.Qatar and the Saudi's are the main isis funders.
And they have the world cup.
Then again,we are friendly with these oil rich states,and ignore their wrong doin,while going mad for the Afghan's,Libyan's and Iraq?
Western foreign policy has been shambolic.
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 1 minute ago
The only thing the US and UK are doing to fight ISIS is the odd airel bombardment and providing arms to Iraq army and Kurds.
The Arab league are US puppets. They don't get a say with US foreign policy. The countries that rebel have been Iraq, Syria and Iran.
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Yeah fighter jet bombs and arms are cheap.. the us have run hundreds of flights, way more thab anybody else, onw would think the other muslim states dont care..
comment by Stupendous Sakho (U20224)
posted 3 minutes ago
Yeah, why doesnt the rich muslim countries step in? Qatar ect, I had read some states may be funding isis, but no idea if thats true
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Saudi will have funded ISIS but the US are fully aware this and more or less given the blessing for it.
Afternoon Kash
How do we solve the isis issue?
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Stupendous Sakho (U20224)
posted 3 minutes ago
Yeah, why doesnt the rich muslim countries step in? Qatar ect, I had read some states may be funding isis, but no idea if thats true
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Saudi will have funded ISIS but the US are fully aware this and more or less given the blessing for it.
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So its americas fault?
comment by Stupendous Sakho (U20224)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 1 minute ago
The only thing the US and UK are doing to fight ISIS is the odd airel bombardment and providing arms to Iraq army and Kurds.
The Arab league are US puppets. They don't get a say with US foreign policy. The countries that rebel have been Iraq, Syria and Iran.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah fighter jet bombs and arms are cheap.. the us have run hundreds of flights, way more thab anybody else, onw would think the other muslim states dont care..
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Iraq Authorised France and the United States to use its airspace and has welcomed the coalition’s support in the country’s fight against Isis. The Iraqi government requested US air strikes.
Lebanon Will not provide troops or weapons as the country is engaged in its own battle with Isis. Instead, it hopes to receive help to fight the organisation.
Jordan Destroyed a number of Isis targets with air strikes this week. Jordan has also worked to “strangle” the sources of funding for extremists and terrorists.
Bahrain Carried out air strikes against Isis this week.
Saudi Arabia Participated in air strikes this week. Saudi Arabia has frequently condemned Isis and has donated $100m to the UN Counter-Terrorism Centre and $500m in humanitarian aid.
UAE Participated in air strikes this week and has given $500m in aid to Iraq.
Kash
We know the west have messed up and have blood on their hands,similar to islamist extremists and many other bad men and omen around the world in history.
How do we counter extremist global Islamism?
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
Afternoon Kash
How do we solve the isis issue?
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Will require troops on the ground. ISIS appear to be scattered over the Iraq/Syria border. Seemingly hard to detect.
Need to make peace with Assad and fund the Syrian and Iraq army with arms aerial support.
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
Afternoon Kash
How do we solve the isis issue?
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Will require troops on the ground. ISIS appear to be scattered over the Iraq/Syria border. Seemingly hard to detect.
Need to make peace with Assad and fund the Syrian and Iraq army with arms aerial support.
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Good, the wealthy muslim oil states can pay for that
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posted on 13/1/15
Pretty much
posted on 13/1/15
Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg has said his party will continue to oppose a so-called "snoopers' charter".
David Cameron has said the intelligence services need new powers to store and read the contents of communications in the wake of the attacks in Paris.
'Vast information'
Mr Clegg said he backed targeted measures to identify suspected extremists and if necessary examine their communications, saying the state had always reserved the right to "steam open a letter" if it thought those behind it meant harm to others.
But he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that one element of what Mr Cameron was proposing would go much further and would involve "scooping up vast amounts of information on millions of people - children, grandparents and elderly people who do nothing more offensive than visiting gardening centre websites".
"Privacy is a qualified right. If someone wants to do us harm, we should be able to break their privacy and go after their communications," he said.
"But the snoopers' charter was not about intercepting communications.
"It was about storing a record of all your social media activity, of every website you have visited of every single individual in this country, of people who would never dream of doing anyone else any harm, would never dream of becoming a terrorist or having anything to do with extremist ideologies.
"The question we need to ask ourselves, in a free, open society as we defend our values against the abhorrent attacks we saw in Paris, is where do you draw the line?"
posted on 13/1/15
comment by Galv: Harry Kaned : ESPN Dwarf (U10415)
posted 33 seconds ago
The one day that all humans act as one people and live in peace is the day Aliens invade.
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as long as it's not an uncontrolled invasion, i'm happy
posted on 13/1/15
comment by Stupendous Sakho (U20224)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Galv: Harry Kaned : ESPN Dwarf (U10415)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Stupendous Sakho (U20224)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Galv: Harry Kaned : ESPN Dwarf (U10415)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Stupendous Sakho (U20224)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Galv: Harry Kaned : ESPN Dwarf (U10415)
posted 23 minutes ago
I'm sure most people think that Muslims just one day decided they hated the West on a whim.
Why does no one look at who is responsible?
You keep picking away at someone, eventually they bite back.
It's like a teenager winding up their parents, they show a lot of patience, the moment they flip, the teenager acts as if they're the bad guys ''It's so unfair"
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So they show us by blowing up their own countires market places and busessure showed us..
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure where you're going with this one tbh........
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why would you attack your own people to get at 'the west'
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I was talking about the attacks on the West.
Sure there are problems in the ME that have nothing to do with us..................
But that doesn't stop us being there like a squatter just in case there's anything in it for us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The reality is there will never be peace, humans love fighting
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So many can be manipulated to commit horrendous crimes in the name of religion/honour/right for the state
From clerics to politicians the majority of us are just cannon fodder to be used when fit to fulfill their agendas often without us questioning the reasons why
posted on 13/1/15
Fascinating, One wonders if we would be more susceptible to this if we were in a constant state of fear/paranoia.
"Data laws
Draft Communications Data Bill 2012 - Would have extended the range of data communications companies have to store for 12 months. It would have included, for the first time, details of messages sent on social media, webmail, voice calls over the internet and gaming, in addition to emails and phone calls. Officials would not have been able to see the content of the messages without a warrant. The bill, dubbed the "snoopers' charter" by critics, was blocked by the Lib Dems.
Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act 2014-15 - Introduced as emergency legislation to maintain the requirement for phone and internet companies to log records (but not content) of calls, texts and internet use.
Counter-Terrorism and Security Bill 2014-15 - Part of the bill going through Parliament would add to the Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act to allow internet protocol (IP) address matching. This would identify the individual or the device that was using a particular IP address at any given time.
posted on 13/1/15
So in conclusion,the west has funded muslim's which is a good thing,or bad thing,and now jihadi's are targeting the west,Jews,christain's,yazidi's,but it is knida our fault,just as the cartoonists brought it on themselves?
So where do we go from here?
We all know that it is not all muslims,but some idiots will adopt ignorant and lazy views,just as some muslim's do likewise.
Extremism is the enemy,as is jihadist ideology,weak or dangerous foreign policy,and fundamental religous nutters,of all faith's.
posted on 13/1/15
Some folk are moving too far in the,all muslim's are right,direction,just as blaming all muslim's is wrong too.
It is complex,and not simply a case of bad west,versus poor wee islamists.
We have Jewish kids and people in France now afraid to walk the street and go to worship,or attend school,and this is as bad a any racism in our midst.
Exactly how is Israel or the west to blame for African islamist violence,btw?
No doubt the so called west has messed up on foreign policy etc,but as humans,we always do,and the followers of islam are a bad as the rest of us for doing the wrong thing.
Just sayin like.
posted on 13/1/15
I understand what you are saying. For all the wrong we did in the ME, we did what we did apart from the Iraq war with the "best" intentions.
There is no excuse for murder, none whatsoever. I would prefer however we stopped meddling in affairs in the region. It is not in our national interest
posted on 13/1/15
We often hear that jihadi's react to western influence in muslim nations'.
By this logic,the rise of the right in Europe may be linked to mass movement by migrants into Europe?
Makes sense,eh?
posted on 13/1/15
Daredevil
I agree the west should not have gone into Iraq,or Kabul,and we have messed up badly in Syria too.
I also believe people such as me,from a white Christian and British loyalist background need to learn more about islam.That is partly why I enjoyed chatting with the posters here,as I have little to no contact with muslim's here in Belfast/NI.
We all need to listen to each other more,and respect each other,rather than constantly adopting us and them stances.
Peace, and interesting article.
posted on 13/1/15
So we should leave iraq + others to fight isis? All the muslim countries came crying for help, should we just have said no and let isis take over?
posted on 13/1/15
Stupendous
That is a good point,re.isis now,and I was referring to earlier invasions by Blair of WMD fraud fame.Blair incidentally was on today saying he gave I RA terrorists a get out of jail card,to get sinn fein into the peace,so we will likely do deals with jihadi's down the line?
ISIS are vermin,and the whole world should help to stop them,but if it is just the yanks and brit's,in the main,islamists will use this to beat us.Arab and muslim states should sort it,imo.
posted on 13/1/15
I salute the Brit's and yanks for going in to save folk such as yazidi's,who were being slaughtered and hunted down by isis rats.
However,sad to see Turkey sitting watching kurds standing alone v isis,for Turkish selfish interest,and that is the problem there.Too complicated to fix.
And if we try,we will be attacked,and apologists will say we deserved it.
posted on 13/1/15
Yeah, why doesnt the rich muslim countries step in? Qatar ect, I had read some states may be funding isis, but no idea if thats true
posted on 13/1/15
The only thing the US and UK are doing to fight ISIS is the odd airel bombardment and providing arms to Iraq army and Kurds.
The Arab league are US puppets. They don't get a say with US foreign policy. The countries that rebel have been Iraq, Syria and Iran.
posted on 13/1/15
Allegedly.Qatar and the Saudi's are the main isis funders.
And they have the world cup.
Then again,we are friendly with these oil rich states,and ignore their wrong doin,while going mad for the Afghan's,Libyan's and Iraq?
Western foreign policy has been shambolic.
posted on 13/1/15
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 1 minute ago
The only thing the US and UK are doing to fight ISIS is the odd airel bombardment and providing arms to Iraq army and Kurds.
The Arab league are US puppets. They don't get a say with US foreign policy. The countries that rebel have been Iraq, Syria and Iran.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah fighter jet bombs and arms are cheap.. the us have run hundreds of flights, way more thab anybody else, onw would think the other muslim states dont care..
posted on 13/1/15
comment by Stupendous Sakho (U20224)
posted 3 minutes ago
Yeah, why doesnt the rich muslim countries step in? Qatar ect, I had read some states may be funding isis, but no idea if thats true
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Saudi will have funded ISIS but the US are fully aware this and more or less given the blessing for it.
posted on 13/1/15
Afternoon Kash
How do we solve the isis issue?
posted on 13/1/15
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Stupendous Sakho (U20224)
posted 3 minutes ago
Yeah, why doesnt the rich muslim countries step in? Qatar ect, I had read some states may be funding isis, but no idea if thats true
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Saudi will have funded ISIS but the US are fully aware this and more or less given the blessing for it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So its americas fault?
posted on 13/1/15
comment by Stupendous Sakho (U20224)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 1 minute ago
The only thing the US and UK are doing to fight ISIS is the odd airel bombardment and providing arms to Iraq army and Kurds.
The Arab league are US puppets. They don't get a say with US foreign policy. The countries that rebel have been Iraq, Syria and Iran.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah fighter jet bombs and arms are cheap.. the us have run hundreds of flights, way more thab anybody else, onw would think the other muslim states dont care..
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Iraq Authorised France and the United States to use its airspace and has welcomed the coalition’s support in the country’s fight against Isis. The Iraqi government requested US air strikes.
Lebanon Will not provide troops or weapons as the country is engaged in its own battle with Isis. Instead, it hopes to receive help to fight the organisation.
Jordan Destroyed a number of Isis targets with air strikes this week. Jordan has also worked to “strangle” the sources of funding for extremists and terrorists.
Bahrain Carried out air strikes against Isis this week.
Saudi Arabia Participated in air strikes this week. Saudi Arabia has frequently condemned Isis and has donated $100m to the UN Counter-Terrorism Centre and $500m in humanitarian aid.
UAE Participated in air strikes this week and has given $500m in aid to Iraq.
posted on 13/1/15
Kash
We know the west have messed up and have blood on their hands,similar to islamist extremists and many other bad men and omen around the world in history.
How do we counter extremist global Islamism?
posted on 13/1/15
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
Afternoon Kash
How do we solve the isis issue?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Will require troops on the ground. ISIS appear to be scattered over the Iraq/Syria border. Seemingly hard to detect.
Need to make peace with Assad and fund the Syrian and Iraq army with arms aerial support.
posted on 13/1/15
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
Afternoon Kash
How do we solve the isis issue?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Will require troops on the ground. ISIS appear to be scattered over the Iraq/Syria border. Seemingly hard to detect.
Need to make peace with Assad and fund the Syrian and Iraq army with arms aerial support.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good, the wealthy muslim oil states can pay for that
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