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Surely you can see the terrible potential if ISIS controlled Iraq and Syria? There wouldn't be an immediate threat to Europe but it would eventually start to reach Turkey and who knows after that.
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The terrible would be the people that suffer in those countries.
As for targeting Europe, there is no basis for that at all.
Like I'd said before, not one terrorist attack in Europe has been linked to changing the demographic of any part of Europe or a separate state within Europe.
In fact If right wing factions (read terrorists) in the west are allowed to wreak their own rhetoric and violence - it may well lead to calls down this route to keep people safe, in the end being a self fulfilling prophesy.
There are extremists on every side absolutely. As Walter says, its western foreign policy that is at the heart of what is termed "Islamist" terrorism.
In the end it's the people that will choose what is right for them, just like they did in history before them.
It's a travesty what happened in Egypt, they had democracy for 2 years - before it was deemed the wrong kind of democracy.
So if someone goes to a Jewish house and murders someone because of their religion it won't get national coverage?
As for targeting Europe, there is no basis for that at all.
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Well, the ISIS mission statement is to one day spread a caliphate around a large part of the world, with huge parts of Europe included in that. Taking over two massive middle eastern countries would be a huge step towards a dark future like that.
Besides, even with that example, more often than not, what the British empire brought to those countries would be far more beneficial than if ISIS and their brand of Sharia would bring.
One empire brought those countries into the modern world, one would bring them back to the middle ages.
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What modern world did Britain being India into?
Britain used the wealth from India to kickstart what became the industrial revolution.
The west is now bombing Afghanistan into the dark ages.
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 2 minutes ago
So if someone goes to a Jewish house and murders someone because of their religion it won't get national coverage?
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If a non muslim terrorist went to a muslim newspaper and murdered 12 of them and then went on the run I promise it would get national media coverage and would be all over BBC news.
Just as the Anders Breivik massacre was all over the news, just as much as the recent Paris attacks.
comment by Robb - My good man. (U19350)
posted 29 seconds ago
As for targeting Europe, there is no basis for that at all.
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Well, the ISIS mission statement is to one day spread a caliphate around a large part of the world, with huge parts of Europe included in that. Taking over two massive middle eastern countries would be a huge step towards a dark future like that.
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And how are they going to do that with zero support from people?
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
Besides, even with that example, more often than not, what the British empire brought to those countries would be far more beneficial than if ISIS and their brand of Sharia would bring.
One empire brought those countries into the modern world, one would bring them back to the middle ages.
----------
What modern world did Britain being India into?
Britain used the wealth from India to kickstart what became the industrial revolution.
The west is now bombing Afghanistan into the dark ages.
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The vast majority of the countries Britain colonised were left in a good state. Australia, the US, Canada, India etc.
Parts of Africa that were once under British rule have suffered massively once the British left.
Anyway, the age of colonial empires is over. Just because one country did it over 100 years ago doesn't mean there is any justification for it now.
That's like saying that I can't hate the slavery that exists in the middle east because the USA did it in the 19th century.
comment by Robb - My good man. (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 2 minutes ago
So if someone goes to a Jewish house and murders someone because of their religion it won't get national coverage?
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If a non muslim terrorist went to a muslim newspaper and murdered 12 of them and then went on the run I promise it would get national media coverage and would be all over BBC news.
Just as the Anders Breivik massacre was all over the news, just as much as the recent Paris attacks.
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That's not answering the question is it?
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb - My good man. (U19350)
posted 29 seconds ago
As for targeting Europe, there is no basis for that at all.
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Well, the ISIS mission statement is to one day spread a caliphate around a large part of the world, with huge parts of Europe included in that. Taking over two massive middle eastern countries would be a huge step towards a dark future like that.
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And how are they going to do that with zero support from people?
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If they take over Iraq and Syria and rule with fear then they have access to millions of potential recruits in decades to come.
Surely you can see the HUGE security concern on Europe's doorstep if ISIS manages to take over Syria and Iraq??
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb - My good man. (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 2 minutes ago
So if someone goes to a Jewish house and murders someone because of their religion it won't get national coverage?
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If a non muslim terrorist went to a muslim newspaper and murdered 12 of them and then went on the run I promise it would get national media coverage and would be all over BBC news.
Just as the Anders Breivik massacre was all over the news, just as much as the recent Paris attacks.
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That's not answering the question is it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, it is.
If a muslim goes into a jewish persons house in London and shoots someone dead it will be on the news.
if a jewish person goes into a muslim persons house in London and shoots them dead it will be on the news.
That's not answering the question is it?
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No, it isn't answering the question.
Don't know why anyone would be afraid of answering the question...
The answer is yes, it would get coverage nationwide.
People don't want to answer the question because they are going against convention.
comment by Robb - My good man. (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb - My good man. (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 2 minutes ago
So if someone goes to a Jewish house and murders someone because of their religion it won't get national coverage?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If a non muslim terrorist went to a muslim newspaper and murdered 12 of them and then went on the run I promise it would get national media coverage and would be all over BBC news.
Just as the Anders Breivik massacre was all over the news, just as much as the recent Paris attacks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's not answering the question is it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, it is.
If a muslim goes into a jewish persons house in London and shoots someone dead it will be on the news.
if a jewish person goes into a muslim persons house in London and shoots them dead it will be on the news.
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Tha Thank you Robb. According to Cal an act like this won't be on the news.
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All attacks will make the news, whatever the religion. I don't think muslim people should think they are being persecuted.
The people that did the Paris attacks do far more harm to your religion than the media.
Surely you can see the HUGE security concern on Europe's doorstep if ISIS manages to take over Syria and Iraq??
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enlighten me.
Ultimately ISIS will disband. Why? Because while their declaration of a caliphate pulled on emotional responses from people around the world, in the end their brutality will take its toll on those that went there to be a force for good.
Many people there when Isis was formed went to free Syria from Assad, not take over the place. They will always have planned to go "back home" as they did from Bosnia and more recently Libya.
However with the new laws on anti-terrorism many of them are thinking twice about returning which actually maintains their number for longer than it should.
The people that did the Paris attacks do far more harm to your religion than the media.
----------
Agreed.
Those guys lacked education and a decent upbringing. The two brothers were orphans, not an excuse, but I am highlighting that there are certain people that can be far more readily influenced that others. It doesnt make them blameless, everyone knows right and wrong.
Going back to Walters point, education has a massive part to play.
These guys are dead, what are people going to achieve with reprisal attacks or attacks on Muslim structures? - again education needed.
Surely you can see the HUGE security concern on Europe's doorstep if ISIS manages to take over Syria and Iraq??
----------
enlighten me
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Well, their desire for a caliphate includes Turkey and Spain coming under the ISIS umbrella.
Turkey wants to join the EU and having an ISIS led double-nation like Iraq and Syria on it's doorstep would lead to a lot of ramifications. Turkey are in NATO and if ISIS decided to one day invade Turkey (quite possible) then it would plunge Europe into war.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 minutes ago
The people that did the Paris attacks do far more harm to your religion than the media.
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Agreed.
Those guys lacked education and a decent upbringing. The two brothers were orphans, not an excuse, but I am highlighting that there are certain people that can be far more readily influenced that others. It doesnt make them blameless, everyone knows right and wrong.
Going back to Walters point, education has a massive part to play.
These guys are dead, what are people going to achieve with reprisal attacks or attacks on Muslim structures? - again education needed.
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Yeah, I agree that reprisal attacks are the last thing we all need to achieve peace. Sadly from the looks of the recent terror raids in Belgium and also the attacks on the Jewish Deli that there seems to be more threats out there than just those brothers.
Lmao isis are not going to take over turkey and spain
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comment by Stupendous Sakho (U20224)
posted 1 minute ago
Lmao isis are not going to take over turkey and spain
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No, not today or tomorrow or for a very long time.
But if they take over Iraq and Syria and get a foothold in the region eventually (we're talking years, maybe decades) they will start to spread all over the middle east. They see Turkey and Spain as part of their eventual caliphate and who knows on 20/30 years? They may have the manpower to invade countries like Turkey and southern Spain.
It's happened before.
comment by Robb - My good man. (U19350)
posted 2 minutes ago
Surely you can see the HUGE security concern on Europe's doorstep if ISIS manages to take over Syria and Iraq??
----------
enlighten me
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Well, their desire for a caliphate includes Turkey and Spain coming under the ISIS umbrella.
Turkey wants to join the EU and having an ISIS led double-nation like Iraq and Syria on it's doorstep would lead to a lot of ramifications. Turkey are in NATO and if ISIS decided to one day invade Turkey (quite possible) then it would plunge Europe into war.
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Turkey have deliberately not attacked ISIS because they were killing kurds.
I remember when George Galloway challenged Cameron about seeking support to fight Assad and he warned about Western intervention and people laughed and said, oh, it's just George.
Now ISIS are using the weapons we gave them and the funds to terrorise people.
Textbook example of why we should not get involved in conflict in the region. They are far too complex.
One would think our adventures in Iraq would have taught us a valuable lesson.
I guess not
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posted on 18/1/15
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posted on 18/1/15
Surely you can see the terrible potential if ISIS controlled Iraq and Syria? There wouldn't be an immediate threat to Europe but it would eventually start to reach Turkey and who knows after that.
--------
The terrible would be the people that suffer in those countries.
As for targeting Europe, there is no basis for that at all.
Like I'd said before, not one terrorist attack in Europe has been linked to changing the demographic of any part of Europe or a separate state within Europe.
In fact If right wing factions (read terrorists) in the west are allowed to wreak their own rhetoric and violence - it may well lead to calls down this route to keep people safe, in the end being a self fulfilling prophesy.
There are extremists on every side absolutely. As Walter says, its western foreign policy that is at the heart of what is termed "Islamist" terrorism.
In the end it's the people that will choose what is right for them, just like they did in history before them.
It's a travesty what happened in Egypt, they had democracy for 2 years - before it was deemed the wrong kind of democracy.
posted on 18/1/15
So if someone goes to a Jewish house and murders someone because of their religion it won't get national coverage?
posted on 18/1/15
As for targeting Europe, there is no basis for that at all.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Well, the ISIS mission statement is to one day spread a caliphate around a large part of the world, with huge parts of Europe included in that. Taking over two massive middle eastern countries would be a huge step towards a dark future like that.
posted on 18/1/15
Besides, even with that example, more often than not, what the British empire brought to those countries would be far more beneficial than if ISIS and their brand of Sharia would bring.
One empire brought those countries into the modern world, one would bring them back to the middle ages.
----------
What modern world did Britain being India into?
Britain used the wealth from India to kickstart what became the industrial revolution.
The west is now bombing Afghanistan into the dark ages.
posted on 18/1/15
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 2 minutes ago
So if someone goes to a Jewish house and murders someone because of their religion it won't get national coverage?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If a non muslim terrorist went to a muslim newspaper and murdered 12 of them and then went on the run I promise it would get national media coverage and would be all over BBC news.
Just as the Anders Breivik massacre was all over the news, just as much as the recent Paris attacks.
posted on 18/1/15
comment by Robb - My good man. (U19350)
posted 29 seconds ago
As for targeting Europe, there is no basis for that at all.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Well, the ISIS mission statement is to one day spread a caliphate around a large part of the world, with huge parts of Europe included in that. Taking over two massive middle eastern countries would be a huge step towards a dark future like that.
--------
And how are they going to do that with zero support from people?
posted on 18/1/15
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
Besides, even with that example, more often than not, what the British empire brought to those countries would be far more beneficial than if ISIS and their brand of Sharia would bring.
One empire brought those countries into the modern world, one would bring them back to the middle ages.
----------
What modern world did Britain being India into?
Britain used the wealth from India to kickstart what became the industrial revolution.
The west is now bombing Afghanistan into the dark ages.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The vast majority of the countries Britain colonised were left in a good state. Australia, the US, Canada, India etc.
Parts of Africa that were once under British rule have suffered massively once the British left.
Anyway, the age of colonial empires is over. Just because one country did it over 100 years ago doesn't mean there is any justification for it now.
That's like saying that I can't hate the slavery that exists in the middle east because the USA did it in the 19th century.
posted on 18/1/15
comment by Robb - My good man. (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 2 minutes ago
So if someone goes to a Jewish house and murders someone because of their religion it won't get national coverage?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If a non muslim terrorist went to a muslim newspaper and murdered 12 of them and then went on the run I promise it would get national media coverage and would be all over BBC news.
Just as the Anders Breivik massacre was all over the news, just as much as the recent Paris attacks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's not answering the question is it?
posted on 18/1/15
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robb - My good man. (U19350)
posted 29 seconds ago
As for targeting Europe, there is no basis for that at all.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Well, the ISIS mission statement is to one day spread a caliphate around a large part of the world, with huge parts of Europe included in that. Taking over two massive middle eastern countries would be a huge step towards a dark future like that.
--------
And how are they going to do that with zero support from people?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If they take over Iraq and Syria and rule with fear then they have access to millions of potential recruits in decades to come.
Surely you can see the HUGE security concern on Europe's doorstep if ISIS manages to take over Syria and Iraq??
posted on 18/1/15
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb - My good man. (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 2 minutes ago
So if someone goes to a Jewish house and murders someone because of their religion it won't get national coverage?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If a non muslim terrorist went to a muslim newspaper and murdered 12 of them and then went on the run I promise it would get national media coverage and would be all over BBC news.
Just as the Anders Breivik massacre was all over the news, just as much as the recent Paris attacks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's not answering the question is it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, it is.
If a muslim goes into a jewish persons house in London and shoots someone dead it will be on the news.
if a jewish person goes into a muslim persons house in London and shoots them dead it will be on the news.
posted on 18/1/15
That's not answering the question is it?
--------
No, it isn't answering the question.
Don't know why anyone would be afraid of answering the question...
The answer is yes, it would get coverage nationwide.
People don't want to answer the question because they are going against convention.
posted on 18/1/15
comment by Robb - My good man. (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb - My good man. (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 2 minutes ago
So if someone goes to a Jewish house and murders someone because of their religion it won't get national coverage?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If a non muslim terrorist went to a muslim newspaper and murdered 12 of them and then went on the run I promise it would get national media coverage and would be all over BBC news.
Just as the Anders Breivik massacre was all over the news, just as much as the recent Paris attacks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's not answering the question is it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, it is.
If a muslim goes into a jewish persons house in London and shoots someone dead it will be on the news.
if a jewish person goes into a muslim persons house in London and shoots them dead it will be on the news.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tha Thank you Robb. According to Cal an act like this won't be on the news.
posted on 18/1/15
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posted on 18/1/15
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posted on 18/1/15
All attacks will make the news, whatever the religion. I don't think muslim people should think they are being persecuted.
The people that did the Paris attacks do far more harm to your religion than the media.
posted on 18/1/15
Surely you can see the HUGE security concern on Europe's doorstep if ISIS manages to take over Syria and Iraq??
----------
enlighten me.
Ultimately ISIS will disband. Why? Because while their declaration of a caliphate pulled on emotional responses from people around the world, in the end their brutality will take its toll on those that went there to be a force for good.
Many people there when Isis was formed went to free Syria from Assad, not take over the place. They will always have planned to go "back home" as they did from Bosnia and more recently Libya.
However with the new laws on anti-terrorism many of them are thinking twice about returning which actually maintains their number for longer than it should.
posted on 18/1/15
The people that did the Paris attacks do far more harm to your religion than the media.
----------
Agreed.
Those guys lacked education and a decent upbringing. The two brothers were orphans, not an excuse, but I am highlighting that there are certain people that can be far more readily influenced that others. It doesnt make them blameless, everyone knows right and wrong.
Going back to Walters point, education has a massive part to play.
These guys are dead, what are people going to achieve with reprisal attacks or attacks on Muslim structures? - again education needed.
posted on 18/1/15
Surely you can see the HUGE security concern on Europe's doorstep if ISIS manages to take over Syria and Iraq??
----------
enlighten me
---------------------------------------
Well, their desire for a caliphate includes Turkey and Spain coming under the ISIS umbrella.
Turkey wants to join the EU and having an ISIS led double-nation like Iraq and Syria on it's doorstep would lead to a lot of ramifications. Turkey are in NATO and if ISIS decided to one day invade Turkey (quite possible) then it would plunge Europe into war.
posted on 18/1/15
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 minutes ago
The people that did the Paris attacks do far more harm to your religion than the media.
----------
Agreed.
Those guys lacked education and a decent upbringing. The two brothers were orphans, not an excuse, but I am highlighting that there are certain people that can be far more readily influenced that others. It doesnt make them blameless, everyone knows right and wrong.
Going back to Walters point, education has a massive part to play.
These guys are dead, what are people going to achieve with reprisal attacks or attacks on Muslim structures? - again education needed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, I agree that reprisal attacks are the last thing we all need to achieve peace. Sadly from the looks of the recent terror raids in Belgium and also the attacks on the Jewish Deli that there seems to be more threats out there than just those brothers.
posted on 18/1/15
Lmao isis are not going to take over turkey and spain
posted on 18/1/15
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posted on 18/1/15
comment by Stupendous Sakho (U20224)
posted 1 minute ago
Lmao isis are not going to take over turkey and spain
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No, not today or tomorrow or for a very long time.
But if they take over Iraq and Syria and get a foothold in the region eventually (we're talking years, maybe decades) they will start to spread all over the middle east. They see Turkey and Spain as part of their eventual caliphate and who knows on 20/30 years? They may have the manpower to invade countries like Turkey and southern Spain.
It's happened before.
posted on 18/1/15
comment by Robb - My good man. (U19350)
posted 2 minutes ago
Surely you can see the HUGE security concern on Europe's doorstep if ISIS manages to take over Syria and Iraq??
----------
enlighten me
---------------------------------------
Well, their desire for a caliphate includes Turkey and Spain coming under the ISIS umbrella.
Turkey wants to join the EU and having an ISIS led double-nation like Iraq and Syria on it's doorstep would lead to a lot of ramifications. Turkey are in NATO and if ISIS decided to one day invade Turkey (quite possible) then it would plunge Europe into war.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Turkey have deliberately not attacked ISIS because they were killing kurds.
I remember when George Galloway challenged Cameron about seeking support to fight Assad and he warned about Western intervention and people laughed and said, oh, it's just George.
Now ISIS are using the weapons we gave them and the funds to terrorise people.
Textbook example of why we should not get involved in conflict in the region. They are far too complex.
One would think our adventures in Iraq would have taught us a valuable lesson.
I guess not
posted on 18/1/15
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