comment by Robb - My good man. (U19350)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
For some reason the Christian terrorists are ignored. If I'm not mistaken, Breivik was the single deadliest terror attack in Europe in recent memory.
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Yeah, i don't think what he did made the news at all. Possibly page 45 of the Daily Star if i'm not mistaken.
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He was convicted of terrorism.
Single most deadly attack in Europe - who believes he did that alone, had no help from anyone, even "logistically"?
MuDD, you're a fool if you don't think the threat from radical elements of Islam is a massive threat to the West.
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Just a quick one Robb. The threats posed, what reasons (excuses) have the extremists used to justify their attacks?
Any of them doing so wanting to change the demographic of Europe?
Or carving out an independent state within Europe?
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
MuDD, you're a fool if you don't think the threat from radical elements of Islam is a massive threat to the West.
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Just a quick one Robb. The threats posed, what reasons (excuses) have the extremists used to justify their attacks?
Any of them doing so wanting to change the demographic of Europe?
Or carving out an independent state within Europe?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's hard to say. Let me first say that I was and am still against the invasion of Iraq. That was a massive reason for the rise of ISIS. I don't think ISIS want to change the face of Europe so to speak but what i think they do want to do is stage as many spectacular attacks as possible in order to 1) remain relevant and 2) spread a massively overblown and evil offshoot of a mainly peaceful religion.
I think they will spread as far as they are allowed to. I've seen that Saudi Arabia are building a wall across their border to keep ISIS out. I don't really know about the military capabilities of ISIS but if they did actually take over Saudi Arabia it would have grave repercussions for the West.
p.s, i've had this discussion with people before and they often bring up the 'Saudi Arabia funded ISIS' argument but it looks like the dogs have turned on their handlers.
I think most moderate muslims wouldn't want Mecca to be colonised by ISIS.
Robb, have I said Islamic terror is not a threat to the West?
My article and comments relates primarily to media bias.
I have advocated we invest in security internally and stop meddling in the ME.
The article is very interesting and I found it interesting reading.
My concern is that with the coverage and the implications of the media bias, certain people will start getting targeted. It has happened with black people already as a result of "perceptions."
We need to deal with all threats to our nation, all and label them correctly.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Robb - My good man. (U19350)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
For some reason the Christian terrorists are ignored. If I'm not mistaken, Breivik was the single deadliest terror attack in Europe in recent memory.
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Yeah, i don't think what he did made the news at all. Possibly page 45 of the Daily Star if i'm not mistaken.
------------
He was convicted of terrorism.
Single most deadly attack in Europe - who believes he did that alone, had no help from anyone, even "logistically"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indeed, always found it ridiculous. How does one person get access to the weapons and bombs, police uniforms as well as the vessel he used.
It's hard to say. Let me first say that I was and am still against the invasion of Iraq. That was a massive reason for the rise of ISIS
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Hard to say? No it isn't really, the answer is "no" to my above questions. The extremists have no cause to declare any independent state in Europe or change the demographic of Europe.
This is why right wing ideology in Europe is stupid, they aren't acting as a counterweight to any rhetoric or policy, they are opposing what is a natural cause / effect which is almost completely economic migration.
Onto the Iraq war (Blair and Bush) this event terrorised more people around the world than Al Qaeda.
This war helped create conditions where Isis and others would arise from.
Isis however has had a massive influence in the Syrian civil war. The war against Bashar Asad is one the Syrian populous wanted. He was a dictator no doubt.
This cause resulted in fighters from all corners going to Syria to help their brothers in arms to liberate the country - still on going.
However the Free Syria Army were backed by the West only if they did not recruit foreign fighters - The West were afraid these fighters, instead of being Syrian nationalists, having a more Islamic outlook for the country.
These foreign fighters then went on to form ISIS in Iraq where the conditions were right for them to flourish due to the fall out from previous Western aggressive policies.
Yes while they may have had wealthy support (though not governmental) initially, for their foray planned for Syria. It found its way to where a vacuum existed.
Isis however has had a massive influence in the Syrian civil war.
-------
Should read,
Isis however has was massively influenced due to the Syrian civil war.
I see both sides of the discussion and don't fully agree or disagree with either.
The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, and the sources cited on both sides of the argument seem dubious to say the least. The tell-tale sign is the obvious effort to disguise opinion as statistics.
Breivik? The funniest thing about fundamentalist extremists is that they have way more in common with each other than with the religions they think they are defending.
They are all názis under a different guise.
To be honest though, I don't see them as being dangerous in the grand scheme providing we stop feeding philonázi attitudes.
That's where the moderate, tolerant majority, whether atheist, Christian, Muslim or whatever, ought to focus their efforts imo. Unfortunately we seem to be going in the opposite direction. Casual hate speech is becoming increasingly common both in the media and on the street, and philonázi political groups are growing rapidly all over the world.
It's hrd to say where the solution is, but spending just a fraction on education of the billions being pumped into the war on terror could go long way. We think it's too long-term, that something needs to be done now, but stop to think about it. New ISIS or Al-Qaida recruits aged 18-25 would have been between 4 and 11 years old when the WTC attacks took place. The same is true of new voters for the BNP, any other philonázi party or the next Breivik.
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Robb - My good man. (U19350)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
For some reason the Christian terrorists are ignored. If I'm not mistaken, Breivik was the single deadliest terror attack in Europe in recent memory.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, i don't think what he did made the news at all. Possibly page 45 of the Daily Star if i'm not mistaken.
------------
He was convicted of terrorism.
Single most deadly attack in Europe - who believes he did that alone, had no help from anyone, even "logistically"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indeed, always found it ridiculous. How does one person get access to the weapons and bombs, police uniforms as well as the vessel he used.
-------------
I knew what you meant.
comment by Walter Sobchak (U6426)
posted 22 seconds ago
I see both sides of the discussion and don't fully agree or disagree with either.
The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, and the sources cited on both sides of the argument seem dubious to say the least. The tell-tale sign is the obvious effort to disguise opinion as statistics.
Breivik? The funniest thing about fundamentalist extremists is that they have way more in common with each other than with the religions they think they are defending.
They are all názis under a different guise.
To be honest though, I don't see them as being dangerous in the grand scheme providing we stop feeding philonázi attitudes.
That's where the moderate, tolerant majority, whether atheist, Christian, Muslim or whatever, ought to focus their efforts imo. Unfortunately we seem to be going in the opposite direction. Casual hate speech is becoming increasingly common both in the media and on the street, and philonázi political groups are growing rapidly all over the world.
It's hrd to say where the solution is, but spending just a fraction on education of the billions being pumped into the war on terror could go long way. We think it's too long-term, that something needs to be done now, but stop to think about it. New ISIS or Al-Qaida recruits aged 18-25 would have been between 4 and 11 years old when the WTC attacks took place. The same is true of new voters for the BNP, any other philonázi party or the next Breivik.
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Superb post, superb
Redinthehead, I think we're kind of arguing on the same side here.
I agree that the invasion was a huge eff-up in how the West is perceived to the middle east and why a lot of these attacks are happening.
What I would say however is that to a lot of people like me and people I know, the idea that people who (no offence) believe in some fairy tale character and who in ISIS' case have such a medieval view on the world is scary. Maybe us in the West shouldn't be scared by it as it may all be limited to the Middle East but in this global new world, we can rightly be scared by a rise in hyper-extremist belief systems that could well be taking over entire countries there. That does have repercussions to Europe and the world if that happens.
And there are a lot of muslims like you on this site who no doubt also share those concerns. Unlike a lot of right wing loonies out there I can understand that there is a huge difference in moderate muslims and the shameful offshoots that exist out there.
Sadly the offshoots out there seem hellbent on causing a lot of deaths in Europe if they can get away with it which I can imagine must cause the moderate muslims in our societies a lot of pain and shame.
we can rightly be scared by a rise in hyper-extremist belief systems that could well be taking over entire countries there. That does have repercussions to Europe and the world if that happens.
-------
Out of interest, though not support of Isis mentality.
What repercussions are there to Europe?
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
we can rightly be scared by a rise in hyper-extremist belief systems that could well be taking over entire countries there. That does have repercussions to Europe and the world if that happens.
-------
Out of interest, though not support of Isis mentality.
What repercussions are there to Europe?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They believe in the idea of a caliphate which spreads from India to Spain, Turkey and Cyprus. There is no way on Earth that it should ever be allowed to happen.
I very much doubt it could happen but if ISIS are allowed to take over all of Iraq and Syria that is a significant step forward in the direction of what they aim to achieve. if they take over Saudi Arabia it would be a disaster for most moderate muslims who no doubt don't want the acts of terror to happen in their name.
It will spread as far as the people they preside over will allow it to.
But you mentioned repercussions to Europe, what repercussions could there by if say Isis controlled Iraq and Syria?
They believe in the idea of a caliphate which spreads from India to Spain, Turkey and Cyprus. There is no way on Earth that it should ever be allowed to happen.
-------
Kind of like an Empire that went from the West Indies to India?
Robb, the issue is that the problem is never going to be sorted simply by bombing ISIS/Al Qaida, pumping further billions into homeland security and continuing to cut back on our own civil rights. There is no military or police solution to this, most definitely not as a standalone policy.
Until we review our own countries' foreign policies, we will continue to feed the terrorist problem with the same PEDs we've been feeding it with for decades now.
At least some of the very justifiable anger and outrage we feel against these extremists should be directed against our own political leaders too. A great start would be to put some of them in front of a court for crimes against humanity.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 5 minutes ago
They believe in the idea of a caliphate which spreads from India to Spain, Turkey and Cyprus. There is no way on Earth that it should ever be allowed to happen.
-------
Kind of like an Empire that went from the West Indies to India?
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Empires like that should be confined to the past. I'm not British so I don't take a lot of pride in some colonial history.
Besides, even with that example, more often than not, what the British empire brought to those countries would be far more beneficial than if ISIS and their brand of Sharia would bring.
One empire brought those countries into the modern world, one would bring them back to the middle ages.
comment by Walter Sobchak (U6426)
posted 31 seconds ago
Robb, the issue is that the problem is never going to be sorted simply by bombing ISIS/Al Qaida, pumping further billions into homeland security and continuing to cut back on our own civil rights. There is no military or police solution to this, most definitely not as a standalone policy.
Until we review our own countries' foreign policies, we will continue to feed the terrorist problem with the same PEDs we've been feeding it with for decades now.
At least some of the very justifiable anger and outrage we feel against these extremists should be directed against our own political leaders too. A great start would be to put some of them in front of a court for crimes against humanity.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree. But I don't know why you thought I supported bombing those countries. I think the fact Blair and Bush haven't been brought in front of a war crime tribunal is a huge crime.
Sadly we're in a position now where because of those actions we're in a far more dangerous place. I think we could have negotiated with the likes of Saddam or Gaddafi but now I think the genie is out of the bottle. Really not sure how to deal with the monsters Bush and Blair created.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 11 minutes ago
It will spread as far as the people they preside over will allow it to.
But you mentioned repercussions to Europe, what repercussions could there by if say Isis controlled Iraq and Syria?
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Those are two huge countries which would be controlled by an organisation who have no desire to stop there. If they did control Syria and Iraq they would most likely have access to millions of people they could bring over to their way of thinking and have the manpower to take over any neighbouring country in the Middle East.
Surely you can see the terrible potential if ISIS controlled Iraq and Syria? There wouldn't be an immediate threat to Europe but it would eventually start to reach Turkey and who knows after that.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/moroccan-man-in-france-killed-at-home-in-front-of-wife-by-intruder-shouting-about-islam-9985072.html
islamaphobic murder in France. Where is the media coverage?
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comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/moroccan-man-in-france-killed-at-home-in-front-of-wife-by-intruder-shouting-about-islam-9985072.html
islamaphobic murder in France. Where is the media coverage?
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The media coverage was in the media outlet you showed.
Surely you can't think that's on the same scale as the Paris attacks?
Am referring more to mainstream television media. Absolutely nothing. I was only made aware of this attack via Facebook.
This murder is potentially linked to the Paris attacks as a revenge attack so it should be in the news.
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posted on 18/1/15
comment by Robb - My good man. (U19350)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
For some reason the Christian terrorists are ignored. If I'm not mistaken, Breivik was the single deadliest terror attack in Europe in recent memory.
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Yeah, i don't think what he did made the news at all. Possibly page 45 of the Daily Star if i'm not mistaken.
------------
He was convicted of terrorism.
Single most deadly attack in Europe - who believes he did that alone, had no help from anyone, even "logistically"?
posted on 18/1/15
MuDD, you're a fool if you don't think the threat from radical elements of Islam is a massive threat to the West.
-------
Just a quick one Robb. The threats posed, what reasons (excuses) have the extremists used to justify their attacks?
Any of them doing so wanting to change the demographic of Europe?
Or carving out an independent state within Europe?
posted on 18/1/15
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
MuDD, you're a fool if you don't think the threat from radical elements of Islam is a massive threat to the West.
-------
Just a quick one Robb. The threats posed, what reasons (excuses) have the extremists used to justify their attacks?
Any of them doing so wanting to change the demographic of Europe?
Or carving out an independent state within Europe?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's hard to say. Let me first say that I was and am still against the invasion of Iraq. That was a massive reason for the rise of ISIS. I don't think ISIS want to change the face of Europe so to speak but what i think they do want to do is stage as many spectacular attacks as possible in order to 1) remain relevant and 2) spread a massively overblown and evil offshoot of a mainly peaceful religion.
I think they will spread as far as they are allowed to. I've seen that Saudi Arabia are building a wall across their border to keep ISIS out. I don't really know about the military capabilities of ISIS but if they did actually take over Saudi Arabia it would have grave repercussions for the West.
posted on 18/1/15
p.s, i've had this discussion with people before and they often bring up the 'Saudi Arabia funded ISIS' argument but it looks like the dogs have turned on their handlers.
I think most moderate muslims wouldn't want Mecca to be colonised by ISIS.
posted on 18/1/15
Robb, have I said Islamic terror is not a threat to the West?
My article and comments relates primarily to media bias.
I have advocated we invest in security internally and stop meddling in the ME.
The article is very interesting and I found it interesting reading.
My concern is that with the coverage and the implications of the media bias, certain people will start getting targeted. It has happened with black people already as a result of "perceptions."
We need to deal with all threats to our nation, all and label them correctly.
posted on 18/1/15
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Robb - My good man. (U19350)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
For some reason the Christian terrorists are ignored. If I'm not mistaken, Breivik was the single deadliest terror attack in Europe in recent memory.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, i don't think what he did made the news at all. Possibly page 45 of the Daily Star if i'm not mistaken.
------------
He was convicted of terrorism.
Single most deadly attack in Europe - who believes he did that alone, had no help from anyone, even "logistically"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indeed, always found it ridiculous. How does one person get access to the weapons and bombs, police uniforms as well as the vessel he used.
posted on 18/1/15
It's hard to say. Let me first say that I was and am still against the invasion of Iraq. That was a massive reason for the rise of ISIS
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Hard to say? No it isn't really, the answer is "no" to my above questions. The extremists have no cause to declare any independent state in Europe or change the demographic of Europe.
This is why right wing ideology in Europe is stupid, they aren't acting as a counterweight to any rhetoric or policy, they are opposing what is a natural cause / effect which is almost completely economic migration.
Onto the Iraq war (Blair and Bush) this event terrorised more people around the world than Al Qaeda.
This war helped create conditions where Isis and others would arise from.
Isis however has had a massive influence in the Syrian civil war. The war against Bashar Asad is one the Syrian populous wanted. He was a dictator no doubt.
This cause resulted in fighters from all corners going to Syria to help their brothers in arms to liberate the country - still on going.
However the Free Syria Army were backed by the West only if they did not recruit foreign fighters - The West were afraid these fighters, instead of being Syrian nationalists, having a more Islamic outlook for the country.
These foreign fighters then went on to form ISIS in Iraq where the conditions were right for them to flourish due to the fall out from previous Western aggressive policies.
Yes while they may have had wealthy support (though not governmental) initially, for their foray planned for Syria. It found its way to where a vacuum existed.
posted on 18/1/15
Isis however has had a massive influence in the Syrian civil war.
-------
Should read,
Isis however has was massively influenced due to the Syrian civil war.
posted on 18/1/15
I see both sides of the discussion and don't fully agree or disagree with either.
The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, and the sources cited on both sides of the argument seem dubious to say the least. The tell-tale sign is the obvious effort to disguise opinion as statistics.
Breivik? The funniest thing about fundamentalist extremists is that they have way more in common with each other than with the religions they think they are defending.
They are all názis under a different guise.
To be honest though, I don't see them as being dangerous in the grand scheme providing we stop feeding philonázi attitudes.
That's where the moderate, tolerant majority, whether atheist, Christian, Muslim or whatever, ought to focus their efforts imo. Unfortunately we seem to be going in the opposite direction. Casual hate speech is becoming increasingly common both in the media and on the street, and philonázi political groups are growing rapidly all over the world.
It's hrd to say where the solution is, but spending just a fraction on education of the billions being pumped into the war on terror could go long way. We think it's too long-term, that something needs to be done now, but stop to think about it. New ISIS or Al-Qaida recruits aged 18-25 would have been between 4 and 11 years old when the WTC attacks took place. The same is true of new voters for the BNP, any other philonázi party or the next Breivik.
posted on 18/1/15
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Robb - My good man. (U19350)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
For some reason the Christian terrorists are ignored. If I'm not mistaken, Breivik was the single deadliest terror attack in Europe in recent memory.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, i don't think what he did made the news at all. Possibly page 45 of the Daily Star if i'm not mistaken.
------------
He was convicted of terrorism.
Single most deadly attack in Europe - who believes he did that alone, had no help from anyone, even "logistically"?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indeed, always found it ridiculous. How does one person get access to the weapons and bombs, police uniforms as well as the vessel he used.
-------------
I knew what you meant.
posted on 18/1/15
comment by Walter Sobchak (U6426)
posted 22 seconds ago
I see both sides of the discussion and don't fully agree or disagree with either.
The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, and the sources cited on both sides of the argument seem dubious to say the least. The tell-tale sign is the obvious effort to disguise opinion as statistics.
Breivik? The funniest thing about fundamentalist extremists is that they have way more in common with each other than with the religions they think they are defending.
They are all názis under a different guise.
To be honest though, I don't see them as being dangerous in the grand scheme providing we stop feeding philonázi attitudes.
That's where the moderate, tolerant majority, whether atheist, Christian, Muslim or whatever, ought to focus their efforts imo. Unfortunately we seem to be going in the opposite direction. Casual hate speech is becoming increasingly common both in the media and on the street, and philonázi political groups are growing rapidly all over the world.
It's hrd to say where the solution is, but spending just a fraction on education of the billions being pumped into the war on terror could go long way. We think it's too long-term, that something needs to be done now, but stop to think about it. New ISIS or Al-Qaida recruits aged 18-25 would have been between 4 and 11 years old when the WTC attacks took place. The same is true of new voters for the BNP, any other philonázi party or the next Breivik.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Superb post, superb
posted on 18/1/15
Redinthehead, I think we're kind of arguing on the same side here.
I agree that the invasion was a huge eff-up in how the West is perceived to the middle east and why a lot of these attacks are happening.
What I would say however is that to a lot of people like me and people I know, the idea that people who (no offence) believe in some fairy tale character and who in ISIS' case have such a medieval view on the world is scary. Maybe us in the West shouldn't be scared by it as it may all be limited to the Middle East but in this global new world, we can rightly be scared by a rise in hyper-extremist belief systems that could well be taking over entire countries there. That does have repercussions to Europe and the world if that happens.
And there are a lot of muslims like you on this site who no doubt also share those concerns. Unlike a lot of right wing loonies out there I can understand that there is a huge difference in moderate muslims and the shameful offshoots that exist out there.
Sadly the offshoots out there seem hellbent on causing a lot of deaths in Europe if they can get away with it which I can imagine must cause the moderate muslims in our societies a lot of pain and shame.
posted on 18/1/15
we can rightly be scared by a rise in hyper-extremist belief systems that could well be taking over entire countries there. That does have repercussions to Europe and the world if that happens.
-------
Out of interest, though not support of Isis mentality.
What repercussions are there to Europe?
posted on 18/1/15
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
we can rightly be scared by a rise in hyper-extremist belief systems that could well be taking over entire countries there. That does have repercussions to Europe and the world if that happens.
-------
Out of interest, though not support of Isis mentality.
What repercussions are there to Europe?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They believe in the idea of a caliphate which spreads from India to Spain, Turkey and Cyprus. There is no way on Earth that it should ever be allowed to happen.
I very much doubt it could happen but if ISIS are allowed to take over all of Iraq and Syria that is a significant step forward in the direction of what they aim to achieve. if they take over Saudi Arabia it would be a disaster for most moderate muslims who no doubt don't want the acts of terror to happen in their name.
posted on 18/1/15
It will spread as far as the people they preside over will allow it to.
But you mentioned repercussions to Europe, what repercussions could there by if say Isis controlled Iraq and Syria?
posted on 18/1/15
They believe in the idea of a caliphate which spreads from India to Spain, Turkey and Cyprus. There is no way on Earth that it should ever be allowed to happen.
-------
Kind of like an Empire that went from the West Indies to India?
posted on 18/1/15
Robb, the issue is that the problem is never going to be sorted simply by bombing ISIS/Al Qaida, pumping further billions into homeland security and continuing to cut back on our own civil rights. There is no military or police solution to this, most definitely not as a standalone policy.
Until we review our own countries' foreign policies, we will continue to feed the terrorist problem with the same PEDs we've been feeding it with for decades now.
At least some of the very justifiable anger and outrage we feel against these extremists should be directed against our own political leaders too. A great start would be to put some of them in front of a court for crimes against humanity.
posted on 18/1/15
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 5 minutes ago
They believe in the idea of a caliphate which spreads from India to Spain, Turkey and Cyprus. There is no way on Earth that it should ever be allowed to happen.
-------
Kind of like an Empire that went from the West Indies to India?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Empires like that should be confined to the past. I'm not British so I don't take a lot of pride in some colonial history.
Besides, even with that example, more often than not, what the British empire brought to those countries would be far more beneficial than if ISIS and their brand of Sharia would bring.
One empire brought those countries into the modern world, one would bring them back to the middle ages.
posted on 18/1/15
comment by Walter Sobchak (U6426)
posted 31 seconds ago
Robb, the issue is that the problem is never going to be sorted simply by bombing ISIS/Al Qaida, pumping further billions into homeland security and continuing to cut back on our own civil rights. There is no military or police solution to this, most definitely not as a standalone policy.
Until we review our own countries' foreign policies, we will continue to feed the terrorist problem with the same PEDs we've been feeding it with for decades now.
At least some of the very justifiable anger and outrage we feel against these extremists should be directed against our own political leaders too. A great start would be to put some of them in front of a court for crimes against humanity.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree. But I don't know why you thought I supported bombing those countries. I think the fact Blair and Bush haven't been brought in front of a war crime tribunal is a huge crime.
Sadly we're in a position now where because of those actions we're in a far more dangerous place. I think we could have negotiated with the likes of Saddam or Gaddafi but now I think the genie is out of the bottle. Really not sure how to deal with the monsters Bush and Blair created.
posted on 18/1/15
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 11 minutes ago
It will spread as far as the people they preside over will allow it to.
But you mentioned repercussions to Europe, what repercussions could there by if say Isis controlled Iraq and Syria?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Those are two huge countries which would be controlled by an organisation who have no desire to stop there. If they did control Syria and Iraq they would most likely have access to millions of people they could bring over to their way of thinking and have the manpower to take over any neighbouring country in the Middle East.
Surely you can see the terrible potential if ISIS controlled Iraq and Syria? There wouldn't be an immediate threat to Europe but it would eventually start to reach Turkey and who knows after that.
posted on 18/1/15
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posted on 18/1/15
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/moroccan-man-in-france-killed-at-home-in-front-of-wife-by-intruder-shouting-about-islam-9985072.html
islamaphobic murder in France. Where is the media coverage?
posted on 18/1/15
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posted on 18/1/15
comment by (Kash) Mario Balle Balle Balotelli - Justice4Gaza (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/moroccan-man-in-france-killed-at-home-in-front-of-wife-by-intruder-shouting-about-islam-9985072.html
islamaphobic murder in France. Where is the media coverage?
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The media coverage was in the media outlet you showed.
Surely you can't think that's on the same scale as the Paris attacks?
posted on 18/1/15
Am referring more to mainstream television media. Absolutely nothing. I was only made aware of this attack via Facebook.
This murder is potentially linked to the Paris attacks as a revenge attack so it should be in the news.
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