MuDd, once again, sorry for the other day. Genuinely read this article again and saw you're not quite the person I made you out to be

Red

Yea,religion has nothing to do with churches being burnt in Niger by islamists,and Jewish shops,schools and groups are not being targeted.
No Christians are being attacked,beheaded,oppressed or forced to convert either.It is all western infidel lies.
Mad muslim extremists do not want to impose their views on anyone?

I know some dafter right wing elements hate islam,as much as some right wing fanatical muslim's hate jews and Christians.
Is islamophobia religious hatred,or is it like something else,like islamist bigotry is not religious?

The west's relationship with Saudi is sickening,considering how they treat non muslim's,and due to wahabism being exported from Saudi hate preachers.

Oil talks,sadly.

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MuDd, once again, sorry for the other day. Genuinely read this article again and saw you're not quite the person I made you out to be
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That's okay, was shocked to be honest.

I know a yank your chain a lot but its nothing personal, just fun.

Sorry for calling you a scúmbag

Daredevil

How are you?

The fact that Jewish people were targeted by islamist madmen is significant.Now,Jews in Europe are feeling vulnerable,and many are leaving.
Security has been increased for Jewish folk in France and the UK,after we all thought anti-Semitism had gone,following on from the natzi era.

As we see far right groups growing in Europe,at the same time as young muslim's are also being radicalized,is it not false to say religion has little to do with extremism?
I watched Angry,White and Proud,and was struck by some muslim's wanting to goad English nationalists,by saying "your sons and daughters will be muslim soon" and sharia was going to takeover.
Choudary and his facist henchmen were the mirror image of the far right groups,as they both hate each other,and part of this is religious,as well as racial and political power struggle related.

Surely attack on muslim's amd mosques are linked to religious hatred and terror/violence.

Mate, I do not believe the article says extremism has little to do with religion. It refers to attacks in Europe. If you analyse a lot of the separatists, they have in most cases a religious belief.

I personally do not understand why people feel the need to attack people and maim them. It is a mental disorder that needs treatment

I agree Daredevil.

I saw an interesting piece on the Russian separatists in Ukraine,who kidnapped and beat,and possibly murdered Protestant minority members,due to Orthodox Russian nationalist bigotry.

I am a Christian,with a growing sense of Zen meditation,enjoy each day ethos,but organised religion is often a mess,as we mess up.

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People perceive things differently that is why people kill.They see others as enemies as a threat.In terms of terrorists it is no different.Terrorists are brain washed or raised with certain perceptions. The hate for the west and there radical religious teachings are engrained into them from a young age.Those who do not agree or do not conform die.
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Exactly

Guvnor

I have studied the British nationalist movement a bit,at Uni,and through current affairs,and similar to young radicalized muslim's,many are lost,lonely,confused and angry with the world,and seek a new cause and family in extremist circles.
The extremist leaders will give them a reason to be,and will welcome and use them,be they stiff right arm,or infidel hating jihadi's.
Mixing islam or hatred of islam into the mix,and we have a dangerous sectarian cocktail,that easily led minds cannot handle.

In my opinion.

Mon gooners v City.

Chelsea need your help?

Je Suis Celery.

Chat soon guys.

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and your independent research is where?

Answer - I wasn't debunking anyones research, least of all without facts.

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have you ever seen the film "thank you for smoking"?

Answer - no I havent. Not sure what lobbying for the tobacco industry has to do with this discussion. Maybe you want to widen the scope to include the NRA in the US?

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the washington post article showed you that is exactly what loonwatch is except their business is apologism for evil things done in the world in the name of islam. their stats are meaningless

Answer - a stat being rendered meaningless would be from a link you put forward saying basically that terrorist incidences that only killed people should be considered.

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nobody in their right mind could possibly think that there are more jewish terror attacks than muslim ones, there are only 13 million jews in the entire world for christ sake

Answer - without getting into an Muslim v jewish discussion here, if you think about it, it's quite simple. The Jewish state of Israel has been illegally occupying Palestinian land (called the occupied territories) for over 60 years. This would result in a fair bit of terrorism offences by the IDF and the Jewish populous that occupy and live on that land.

Also Israeli/ jewish terrorism existed way back from the 1930's. From the Stern gang bombing and killing over 100 british soldiers and attaches to the goverment. Attacking an American naval vessel killing tens of US sailors, to terrorising Palestinans since then.
No-one in their right mind you say?

Do some research first, yeah? That's some accomplishment for a religion that has as you put it 13m people - who were probably significant number smaller then.

Bit anti-Jewish there Red.

Israel has a right to exist and defend itself against islamists who want to wipe them out.
This does not mean the idf can kill who they want.

Notice you had to back 90 years to get Jewish terror gangs,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or freedom fighters in another man's view?

Islamist nutters from boko haram,to the Pakistan Taliban are at their evil daily,on a huge scale.

Referring to a religion with 13m ,in respect of the Jews.............oh,I see,it is religious now,when it is not about ISIS etc?

Jewish people feel afraid in Europe again,due to extremist muslim's Red,so feel free to address that fact.
Not only islamophobia exists.

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Thank You For Smoking is a great film.

I wasn't being anti- jewish, and i hope you would retract that,
I was harking at Hippos theory of population correlating with number of terrorist acts. Ie saying the number of people within a populous - in HIS example jewish people, would limit the number of acts they could perpetrate.

Which is pretty much debunked when you consider the population of jewish people in Israel/Palestine then was about 200,000-500,000

Those were terrorist acts no matter when they were perpetrated, and fly in the face of Hippo's theory of terrorist acts correlating with populous.

However since you mentioned right to exist and defend themselves..

Which of these were they demonstrating when murdering british soldiers, or destroying a U.S. naval vessel (disregarding the palestinan civilians for now)

"yours is a very bizarre definition of terror. the idf does what the elected leaders of the un member state "

Terror = terror. If any targeted act that terrifies another person, whether it is state sponsored or otherwise = terrorism.

as for a UN member - shouldn't that UN member abide by the UN resolutions it is supposed to?

Jewish people feel afraid in Europe again,due to extremist muslim's Red,so feel free to address that fact.
Not only islamophobia exists.

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They have every right to feel afraid again because of the acts of a mad man.
However they should also look to the good intentions and caring spirit that protected them in that same incident.

That caring person happened to be Muslim, which is a by the way thing, as any other person I would like to think would have done the same thing.

The galling thing is, that guardian angel was arrested for 12 hours accused of being a co-conspirator - because of how he looked and probably what his name is!

Jewish gangs used violence against the British,in order to further their aims,90 years ago,from their nationalist perspective in that time.

I think all nations,people and religions use violence when it suits them.

Islamist thugs are the main violent threat in the world today,threatening all non muslim's and many fellow muslims.

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Listen Red,do not go down the road of implying I think all muslims are bad,and we all know the police man murdered on the ground was a muslim,and the guy looking after folk in the shop was a muslim.

Fact remains that even today we see islamists kidnapping people in Africa and yazidids being dumped by IS.
Sad you have to go back so far to bring up jewish terrorism.
The idf may have used OTT force,but hanas are snide,evil murderers,and many states around Israel want all Jews dead and gone,so the idf need to be militant..............but with more restraint,imo.

This is not about muslim's or islam,but about extremist muslim's who distort islam.

Enough of the lazy posting.This is not a natzi you are talking to.

From Cameroon,to Niger,to Libya,Algeria,Iraq,Syria,Pakistan,France,UK.Canada,Oz,Belgium,Germany,,Denmark,Tunisia,Congo etc etc,islamist terror gangs are at their work,so it is not one mad man in France,Red.