Yes fair point but mentioning national population statistics in this regard is erroneous anyway. The only stat that matters is percentage of qualified people against percentage employed.

BME make up 14% of the population and 25% of the football world. They are under represented and you don't know what you're talking about.

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Ha..what all of them moron

BME make up 14% yes - the B part of BME is 3% so I stick with what I've said thanks lets look at why white british players are under-represented in football and make a BIG deal about that.........

It clearly isn't about how good you are, otherwise the likes of Bruce wouldn't keep getting jobs.

35% win ratio.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about yeah yeah. No offence.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about yeah yeah. No offence**

Neither do the statisticians then and when thats all you can come back I know I'm right and so do you, facts always close down a debate

Well I've read the statisical report and it completely disagrees with you.

Have you read the report? I severely doubt it. If you had you would know what you're talking about. I hope this helps. Would you like to read it?

Having said all that I would support Barnes in getting the managers job at Liverpool

yeah I've read it - not worth the paper its written on, do you really need me to simplify everything for you? really.... 3% population - 6% in management and 25% on the books as players = over-represented

how can people be so thick??

yeah I've read it - not worth the paper its written on
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Please explain this comment. Are you saying that the statisticians that you were earlier lading are no wrong on the basis of you don't agree with their data? If you don't agree with their data - why? Your parameters are wrong for a start. It has nothing to do with population as you are one of the ones that I mentioned dismissing data and both empirical and anecdotal evidence out of hand.

You have no place here.

Yeah yeah would struggle to debate in primary school.

This is the guy who thinks Everton have 5 world class players

I'm on about the national poluation statistics not a politically correct piece of fabrication endorsed by the BBC with a view to stirring up racial tension for people like you to jump on the bandwagon with I dont need you to tell me where my place is because you cant handle what I'm saying because it is factual

Here comes the 'hand holders'

Give him the Liverpool managers job

comment by yeah yeah (U17250)
posted 1 minute ago
I'm on about the national poluation statistics not a politically correct piece of fabrication endorsed by the BBC with a view to stirring up racial tension for people like you to jump on the bandwagon withI dont need you to tell me where my place is because you cant handle what I'm saying because it is factual
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Well no that's not factual is it. It's like you don't know the meaning of words. What you have provided is an opinion.

This is what you said earlier

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Neither do the statisticians then and when thats all you can come back I know I'm right and so do you, facts always close down a debate
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Here are the facts.

Dr Steven Bradbury, a leading sports sociologist at Loughborough University and author of the report, emphasises the stark inequality of careers for black footballers: Bradbury spent three years interviewing BAME coaches and former players between the ages of 25 and 55, as well as analysing data supplied by the Football Association.

Nothing to do with the BBC and all available data supports myself. Those are facts not opinion.

So I could take the word of a Doctor who spent three years researching the data or the word of a sub normal and fúcking stupid ignorant tart dismissing all evidence laid before him.

Call me old fashioned but I'm going with the Doctor and just to be clear it ain't Phil.

I was trying to explain yesterday on here how pointless it is comparing national population statistics to the demographics of footballers, when you dealing with a limited age group who tend to come from a certain socio-economic background.

It tells you nothing about whether people have equal opportunities, which is after all the issue worth investigating.

We need Hans Rosling on the case.

comment by Robbing_Hoody - putting the bureaucracy into footballism since 1979 (U6374)
posted 55 minutes ago
How do you know 'white' people are dismissing it out of hand?? a bit presumptious...
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Because I've asked them.

BME make up 14% of the population and 25% of the football world. They are under represented and you don't know what you're talking about.
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Who have you asked?

If it's down to ability then Garth Crookes must be an appointment for statistics

comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)

Where are the Asian and muslim players in the UK?

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The question is wrong.
Asians can include Indians, Chinese, Pakistanis, Iranians, Japanese, Malaysians, Indonesians and people from other countries in Asia.
Muslim means follower of Islam. You can have white British Muslims, African Muslims, European Muslims, Asian Muslims and American Muslims etc.

Bluebells is mixing up race with religion.

The likes of Barnes, Viv Anderson and Garth Crookes were pioneering black players in an all white Landscape. They broke through into the national team as players. They're role models for the younger generations.

The country needs these former players to be doing well in the football profession. Fair enough they didn't make the grade as successful managers but they need jobs high up in football like Directors of Football and Academy Directors.

What is the downside of the Rooney rule?
The potential upside is that it works, as it did in America, and then we can be sure that any bias has been eliminated.

And nobody will have to appoint a manager they don’t want....so the downside is?

Not surprisingly, Arouna is fixated on John Barnes, but John Barnes has always been outspoken about racism, and he’s had a lot of intelligent things to say about it.

I don’t think it explains his own managerial career, because his record wasn’t great, but as somebody who spent his playing days having bananas thrown at him, and being barracked by the national team’s fans after scoring one of the best ever goals at the Maracana, I think we can maybe excuse him being a bit suspicious.

Why should Barnes, Crookes or Anderson get director of football or jobs as head of academies without the right qualifications/experience?

Maybe Barnes should start back at maybe Liverpool or Watford, start with the U21's.....work his way up. Be an example of what's needed. Talent and hard work.

comment by Wessie Road (U10652)
posted 2 minutes ago
What is the downside of the Rooney rule?
The potential upside is that it works, as it did in America, and then we can be sure that any bias has been eliminated.

And nobody will have to appoint a manager they don’t want....so the downside is?

Not surprisingly, Arouna is fixated on John Barnes, but John Barnes has always been outspoken about racism, and he’s had a lot of intelligent things to say about it.

I don’t think it explains his own managerial career, because his record wasn’t great, but as somebody who spent his playing days having bananas thrown at him, and being barracked by the national team’s fans after scoring one of the best ever goals at the Maracana, I think we can maybe excuse him being a bit suspicious.

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Barnes was the example and the loudest voice recently in the news.

I know, you think it's some Liverpool thing

I know, you think it's some Liverpool thing
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Ok, I'll take your word for it.
So leaving that aside, what is the downside of the Rooney rule?