comment by Robb Lannister - King of the Wildlings (U20351)
posted 4 minutes ago
There are extremists all over the world - religious and non religious. The scariest ones are the religious ones because they would kill innocent people like me or my family because they believe in some magical wizard in the sky
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People don't seem to read.

I would have expected better from you robb in regards to this subject. All your ignorant opinion is doing is spreading more disinformation to slower individuals like yeah yeah.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Opinion/Commentary/2009/Sep-11/117745-religion-is-not-the-primary-motivation-of-suicide-bombers.ashx

Religion is not the primary factor for terror attacks it's politics.

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago

I have looked it up and I've shown you what I found.

Why don't you show us where this information is???
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A quick google search into global terrorism will show you that. Sunni extremists accounts for over 70% of all terror related deaths in the last decade.
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Those datum, if correct, exclude 'our' terror because we assume by default that our geostrategically and economically motivated terror (and that which we support) is not indeed 'terrorism' at all.

In reality, that's exactly what it is. So there's a major, major flaw in what you are saying/referencing.

comment by Robb Lannister - King of the Wildlings (U20351)
posted 9 minutes ago
I don't know anyone that hates Islam. But it along with all religion is pretty silly. If there is a God (and I think there may well be) I doubt he wants anyone spending their time worshipping him. If he exists he created us to go out and be good but also be our own people.

If the world believed that we would all get on much better
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In Islam we don't worship God because he has an ego.

It's to dissolve our ego.

God is without needs or weakness, so needing us to pray to him doesn't make sense.

When a Muslim submits in prayer it is a very humbling as well as spiritual experience.

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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 8 seconds ago
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For me, the scariest terrorists are the ones who murder people under the guise of "liberation" and democracy whilst stealing their resources because they believe their way of life is superior to everyone elses."

For me it's those who go from town to town cutting people's heads off if they don't convert to their extreme views or pay them a ransom.

Although I would agree, the U.S and U.K had no need to go into Iraq.
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They also had not need to go into Afghanistan the first time, actions which have had a direct effect on terrorism as we know it today.
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Are you suggesting terrorism was no pre-existing?

It would be tough for any nation to take an unprecedented attack like 9/11 from a terror group and no react.

I know a few who served in Afgan, a couple from day 1 and I do believe it was in a bad state already. It's not as though Al-Qeada weren't terrorising their own people too.

comment by yeah yeah (U17250)
posted 7 minutes ago
all religion is pretty silly**

absolutely called it - ban it tomorrow and solve 99% of the problems and prejudices that exist
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No we should just focus on re-schooling ignorant individuals like you.

People don't seem to read.

I would have expected better from you robb in regards to this subject. All your ignorant opinion is doing is spreading more disinformation to slower individuals like yeah yeah**

You really dont like other people having an opinion thats different to yours do you - good luck with that

I'll ask you one last time - are the people that are leaving Britain to join up with IS muslims are not? its a simple question.............take a deep breath and answer truthfully

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 8 seconds ago
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For me, the scariest terrorists are the ones who murder people under the guise of "liberation" and democracy whilst stealing their resources because they believe their way of life is superior to everyone elses."

For me it's those who go from town to town cutting people's heads off if they don't convert to their extreme views or pay them a ransom.

Although I would agree, the U.S and U.K had no need to go into Iraq.
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They also had not need to go into Afghanistan the first time, actions which have had a direct effect on terrorism as we know it today.
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Are you suggesting terrorism was no pre-existing?

It would be tough for any nation to take an unprecedented attack like 9/11 from a terror group and no react.

I know a few who served in Afgan, a couple from day 1 and I do believe it was in a bad state already. It's not as though Al-Qeada weren't terrorising their own people too.
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It wasn't Al Q terrorising the citizens it was the Taliban, our allies and Americas.

No we should just focus on re-schooling ignorant individuals like you**

I'll stay out of the re-schooling thanks - I want a peaceful life where people are accepted for who they are

Kung fu, you only think it's ignorant because I'm bashing religion. It's not anti Islam - I have gone to the whitest upper middle class parties in leafy Surrey and had vast debates with Christians as to why they feel the need to place their faith in religion.

You believe what you do. Fair enough. I just will never understand why people need to believe in something that doesn't need to be believed in. Something that is a construct by man to control other men.

comment by yeah yeah (U17250)
posted 47 seconds ago
People don't seem to read.

I would have expected better from you robb in regards to this subject. All your ignorant opinion is doing is spreading more disinformation to slower individuals like yeah yeah**

You really dont like other people having an opinion thats different to yours do you - good luck with that

I'll ask you one last time - are the people that are leaving Britain to join up with IS muslims are not? its a simple question.............take a deep breath and answer truthfully
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Yes they are, if thats what they identify as.

Now you tell me because you know so much about Islam and Muslims.

Are these people, all 500 of them practising Islam by joining IS??

Show me where Islam permits its followers to do what IS do?

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by ► Detective Inspector Maria | NEXT UP: Bebe's Got Talent (U13709)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 8 seconds ago
"
For me, the scariest terrorists are the ones who murder people under the guise of "liberation" and democracy whilst stealing their resources because they believe their way of life is superior to everyone elses."

For me it's those who go from town to town cutting people's heads off if they don't convert to their extreme views or pay them a ransom.

Although I would agree, the U.S and U.K had no need to go into Iraq.
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They also had not need to go into Afghanistan the first time, actions which have had a direct effect on terrorism as we know it today.
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Are you suggesting terrorism was no pre-existing?

It would be tough for any nation to take an unprecedented attack like 9/11 from a terror group and no react.

I know a few who served in Afgan, a couple from day 1 and I do believe it was in a bad state already. It's not as though Al-Qeada weren't terrorising their own people too.
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He was referring to the support of the mujahadeen by the US, you know when they trained Bin Laden.

We have created a lot of these problems and really need to stop wasting tax payer money getting involved in this drama.

Iran - overthrew the "shah", mullahs took over
Iraq - gave Saddam weapons to kill the mullahs
Iraq - used weapons given to kill its people and invade Kuwait
Afghanistan - train Bin Laden and co to fight the russians
Bin Laden - comes back to attack us
We then go back to Afghanistan, then divert to Iraq for no reason
Destroy the country and create the breeding ground for ISIS, even left them the weapons
Syria - we gave ISIS support initially to fight Assad after we hosted him in Buckhingam Palace

In all of this, our good friends the Saudis have been sponsoring terrorism against us, but we continue to sell them weapons and arms and give them money for oil.

Do not even get me started on Israel

It is a clusterfúck of epic proportions. I appreciate we cannot sit back and let atrocities happen but the Saddams and Gadaffis of this world, have a role to play in society.

We may not like it, but that is what it is

comment by Robb Lannister - King of the Wildlings (U20351)
posted 56 seconds ago
Kung fu, you only think it's ignorant because I'm bashing religion. It's not anti Islam - I have gone to the whitest upper middle class parties in leafy Surrey and had vast debates with Christians as to why they feel the need to place their faith in religion.

You believe what you do. Fair enough. I just will never understand why people need to believe in something that doesn't need to be believed in. Something that is a construct by man to control other men.
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I don't care about your beliefs Robb, it's that you blamed terrorism on religion when it isn't the primary motivation, politics is.

comment by yeah yeah (U17250)
posted 3 minutes ago
No we should just focus on re-schooling ignorant individuals like you**

I'll stay out of the re-schooling thanks - I want a peaceful life where people are accepted for who they are
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Thats what the million or so Iraqis wanted before they got blown to bits with our bombs.

MUDD,

I appreciate you can't run through the whole history, but there's a key event missing from your summary... 1953, when the US and UK entirely over oil contracts, overthrow the democratically elected government (Mossedeq) in Iran and installed and supported Pahlavi, the Shah, who was quite brutal. A standard US/UK game plan that has repeated itself over and over. I won;t run through the list.

"It wasn't Al Q terrorising the citizens it was the Taliban, our allies and Americas."

You're going back to the 80's now. Both are extremism and neither had it's place in Afghan.

Kung fu - nothing wrong with blaming a lot of terrorism on religion. The middle east has almost daily killings in the name of religion on both sides of the Muslim divide.

Doesn't make me an anti Islam campaigner. But I'd be blind if I didn't look at the situation in the middle east and not see a huge amount of religion fuelled violence. The west has a lot of blood on their hands but they didn't create hatred between sunnis and shia

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 6 seconds ago
"It wasn't Al Q terrorising the citizens it was the Taliban, our allies and Americas."

You're going back to the 80's now. Both are extremism and neither had it's place in Afghan.
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Busby, two simple questions:

1. Why do you not refer to US/UK policy as 'extremism', given that we are responsible for vastly more suffering, death and destruction that those you cite, and that we have done so (and continue to do so), for geo-political and economic reasons?

2. Are you aware that Britain and the US has a long and continuing history and supporting Islamic extremism, yet do so when 'our' policies goals briefly collude with theirs?

Given that you never mention those things in any of these discussions that pop up, would it be fair to assume you simply don't know much about it? Sorry to pick on you here, you're not alone.

MUDD - nobody has denied the results of the U.S or British militarise, but there is a lot more to it than that.

Look at what happened to London during the Blitz, we managed come through as a society and learn the basic moral values. Perhaps not at government level, but there aren't hoards of people running round chopping peoples heads off for power or money.

That second question is horribly worded!

Put differently, are you aware that we regularly support extremism groups, because their goals and our goals briefly collide? The result is often what's called, 'blowback'.

To give a recent example, ISIS is largely a western creation.

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by ► Detective Inspector Maria | NEXT UP: Bebe's Got Talent (U13709)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 8 seconds ago
"
For me, the scariest terrorists are the ones who murder people under the guise of "liberation" and democracy whilst stealing their resources because they believe their way of life is superior to everyone elses."

For me it's those who go from town to town cutting people's heads off if they don't convert to their extreme views or pay them a ransom.

Although I would agree, the U.S and U.K had no need to go into Iraq.
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They also had not need to go into Afghanistan the first time, actions which have had a direct effect on terrorism as we know it today.
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Are you suggesting terrorism was no pre-existing?

It would be tough for any nation to take an unprecedented attack like 9/11 from a terror group and no react.

I know a few who served in Afgan, a couple from day 1 and I do believe it was in a bad state already. It's not as though Al-Qeada weren't terrorising their own people too.
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Terrorism has always existed but the meddling of the USA and the West in Afghanistan issues since the 70s has had a domino effect.

Osama Bin laden and the likes are products of this interference. Hence their hatred for the west.

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comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
MUDD - nobody has denied the results of the U.S or British militarise, but there is a lot more to it than that.

Look at what happened to London during the Blitz, we managed come through as a society and learn the basic moral values. Perhaps not at government level, but there aren't hoards of people running round chopping peoples heads off for power or money.


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But we defeated the Germans and were able to rebuild society without interference from the germans or anybody else.

When a country is born out of colonialism like most of the middle-east is, and raped of it's resources and bombed decade then any nation would find it hard to find basic moral values.

Imagine after England defeated the Germans they were still powerful enough to implement puppet leaders in Parliament, sanction us of basic medical supplies etc, take our natural resources and drone kill our citizens when they saw fit.

Do you think we would still have basic moral values?

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Thats what the million or so Iraqis wanted before they got blown to bits with our bombs.**

I dont know how old you are but it was anything but peaceful for the iraqi's under the Saddam regime

comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 6 seconds ago
"It wasn't Al Q terrorising the citizens it was the Taliban, our allies and Americas."

You're going back to the 80's now. Both are extremism and neither had it's place in Afghan.
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Busby, two simple questions:

1. Why do you not refer to US/UK policy as 'extremism', given that we are responsible for vastly more suffering, death and destruction that those you cite, and that we have done so (and continue to do so), for geo-political and economic reasons?

2. Are you aware that Britain and the US has a long and continuing history and supporting Islamic extremism, yet do so when 'our' policies goals briefly collude with theirs?

Given that you never mention those things in any of these discussions that pop up, would it be fair to assume you simply don't know much about it? Sorry to pick on you here, you're not alone.
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They are tough ones, and not something that can be answered in a sentence.

I would however ask you whether you believe the millions in the Middle East under dictatorships or caught up in the crossfire of the civil wars should just be left to fend for themselves?

Sri Lanka being a great example, there should have been an intervention, from somebody, it was disgusting and plain wrong.