comment by Robb Lannister - King of the Wildlings (U20351)
posted 13 minutes ago
Kung fu - nothing wrong with blaming a lot of terrorism on religion. The middle east has almost daily killings in the name of religion on both sides of the Muslim divide.
Doesn't make me an anti Islam campaigner. But I'd be blind if I didn't look at the situation in the middle east and not see a huge amount of religion fuelled violence. The west has a lot of blood on their hands but they didn't create hatred between sunnis and shia
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I didn't say you were anti-Islam Robb I know you are better than that.
All I'm saying is from the studies that are out there from professors and academics your argument is proved false.
It doesn't mean that religious motivated terrorism doesn't exist especially between sunni's and shia's. It mean generally, that it isn't the case.
Osama Bin laden and the likes are products of this interference. Hence their hatred for the west.
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He'd be Russian if it were not for the US.
*and I know Sri Lanka isn't the M.E, it's an example.
comment by yeah yeah (U17250)
posted 55 seconds ago
Thats what the million or so Iraqis wanted before they got blown to bits with our bombs.**
I dont know how old you are but it was anything but peaceful for the iraqi's under the Saddam regime
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I didn't say it was peaceful, I said it's what they wanted. Can you read?
Having said that it was a LOT!!!! more peaceful under the psychopath Saddam than it is under the freedom and democracy of America and Britain.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
Osama Bin laden and the likes are products of this interference. Hence their hatred for the west.
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He'd be Russian if it were not for the US.
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Not true, Afghanistan is historically unconquerable.
If it was easy the Yanks and Brtitian would have had that place sorted ages ago.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 6 seconds ago
"It wasn't Al Q terrorising the citizens it was the Taliban, our allies and Americas."
You're going back to the 80's now. Both are extremism and neither had it's place in Afghan.
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Busby, two simple questions:
1. Why do you not refer to US/UK policy as 'extremism', given that we are responsible for vastly more suffering, death and destruction that those you cite, and that we have done so (and continue to do so), for geo-political and economic reasons?
2. Are you aware that Britain and the US has a long and continuing history and supporting Islamic extremism, yet do so when 'our' policies goals briefly collude with theirs?
Given that you never mention those things in any of these discussions that pop up, would it be fair to assume you simply don't know much about it? Sorry to pick on you here, you're not alone.
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They are tough ones, and not something that can be answered in a sentence.
I would however ask you whether you believe the millions in the Middle East under dictatorships or caught up in the crossfire of the civil wars should just be left to fend for themselves?
Sri Lanka being a great example, there should have been an intervention, from somebody, it was disgusting and plain wrong.
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But we are responsible for those dictators.
Can you not see how much suffering we have caused in the middle-east since the end of WW2?
"For me, the scariest terrorists are the ones who murder people under the guise of "liberation" and democracy whilst stealing their resources because they believe their way of life is superior to everyone elses."
Effectively a tautology, as so many acts in history are either about X either "liberating" Y (from their false gods, ignorance etc) , or X believing their "way of life" (genetics, socio-economic systems, religion) are superior to those of Y.
I didn't say it was peaceful, I said it's what they wanted. Can you read?
Having said that it was a LOT!!!! more peaceful under the psychopath Saddam than it is under the freedom and democracy of America and Britain**
you seem to be quite confused and tense about it all tbh, on one hand you are quoting Britain as a great place with democratic values and then you are criticising Britain for wanting to establish a democracy in a country where one previously didnt exist, if I didnt like Britain I would leave.... I'm guessing your real anger lies with the Americans and its a deep rooted hatred, dont let it affect the rest of your life
The thing that irritates me with these debates is that no-one can ever just stick to the mindset of feeling sorry for the victims. There always seems to be a "but...." followed by some angry student political rhetoric.
That and both sides seem to stick so rigidly to their view of the world, seemingly oblivious to how similar they are in their behavioural mindset to those they propose to abhor.
It is not as simplistic as either side makes out when the debate moves to the wider issue. Thats why I can't understand sometimes why people can't just feel very sorry for the people that lost their lives due to a, at the very least, misguided and easily influenced individual and leave it at that.
oh and by the way it has just been confirmed that we are arming the Saudi. They are committing genocide in Yemen at the moment.
It just goes to show our foreign policy has nothing to do with being good. It's about keeping friends and power.
http://rt.com/uk/268324-uk-arming-saudi-yemen/#.VYQsNgUttJE.twitter
Kung Fu, quick question, why are saudi bombing Yemen?
When you stop and think about it, racism is bad, isn't it?
comment by yeah yeah (U17250)
posted 4 minutes ago
I didn't say it was peaceful, I said it's what they wanted. Can you read?
Having said that it was a LOT!!!! more peaceful under the psychopath Saddam than it is under the freedom and democracy of America and Britain**
you seem to be quite confused and tense about it all tbh, on one hand you are quoting Britain as a great place with democratic values and then you are criticising Britain for wanting to establish a democracy in a country where one previously didnt exist, if I didnt like Britain I would leave.... I'm guessing your real anger lies with the Americans and its a deep rooted hatred, dont let it affect the rest of your life
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Making more stuff up yeah yeah?
I don't which comments you are reading but you must be answering somebody else.
I don't ever remember stating i liked British democracy.
By the way you still haven't answered my question.
Were the people that went to IS practising Islam?
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comment by Mr Chelsea ✪ (U3579)
posted 1 minute ago
Kung Fu, quick question, why are saudi bombing Yemen?
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http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/why-is-saudi-arabia-bombing-yemen-1.2172101
That article for me seems to offer clarity, except that it labels the Saudis as Sunni.
They are Salafists/Wahabbis, they find the extreme in anything and everything. Pretty much the same as ISIS.
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Making more stuff up yeah yeah?
I don't which comments you are reading but you must be answering somebody else.
I don't ever remember stating i liked British democracy**
okay but you keep saying 'we' and 'our'?
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only until they do something wrong or evil 'United We Win' then they are no longer Muslim it would appear
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 2 minutes ago
Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
It's a bit extreme to call them IS and we shouldn't say they are of this sect. They are Muslim. All this Shia, Sunni, Wahabi nonsense is the issue with muslims nowadays.
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I agree, i don't like the labels and I refer to my self as only Muslim.
But I have to label those people in Saudi as something to make a clear distinction between us and them.
Shias etc I have no problem with.
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comment by yeah yeah (U17250)
posted 1 minute ago
only until they do something wrong or evil 'United We Win' then they are no longer Muslim it would appear
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I'm pretty sure I told you in a previous answer that if they identify them selves as muslim then they are.
Did you read it???
It seems like you are not reading my comments but somebody else's, maybe a phantom kung fu we all can't see.
Now answer my question, were the people that went to syria and iraq practising Islam??? Answer!!!
comment by Mr Chelsea ✪ (U3579)
posted 1 minute ago
kungfu thanks.
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No probs mate.
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posted on 19/6/15
comment by Robb Lannister - King of the Wildlings (U20351)
posted 13 minutes ago
Kung fu - nothing wrong with blaming a lot of terrorism on religion. The middle east has almost daily killings in the name of religion on both sides of the Muslim divide.
Doesn't make me an anti Islam campaigner. But I'd be blind if I didn't look at the situation in the middle east and not see a huge amount of religion fuelled violence. The west has a lot of blood on their hands but they didn't create hatred between sunnis and shia
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I didn't say you were anti-Islam Robb I know you are better than that.
All I'm saying is from the studies that are out there from professors and academics your argument is proved false.
It doesn't mean that religious motivated terrorism doesn't exist especially between sunni's and shia's. It mean generally, that it isn't the case.
posted on 19/6/15
Osama Bin laden and the likes are products of this interference. Hence their hatred for the west.
_________________________________________
He'd be Russian if it were not for the US.
posted on 19/6/15
*and I know Sri Lanka isn't the M.E, it's an example.
posted on 19/6/15
comment by yeah yeah (U17250)
posted 55 seconds ago
Thats what the million or so Iraqis wanted before they got blown to bits with our bombs.**
I dont know how old you are but it was anything but peaceful for the iraqi's under the Saddam regime
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I didn't say it was peaceful, I said it's what they wanted. Can you read?
Having said that it was a LOT!!!! more peaceful under the psychopath Saddam than it is under the freedom and democracy of America and Britain.
posted on 19/6/15
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
Osama Bin laden and the likes are products of this interference. Hence their hatred for the west.
_________________________________________
He'd be Russian if it were not for the US.
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Not true, Afghanistan is historically unconquerable.
If it was easy the Yanks and Brtitian would have had that place sorted ages ago.
posted on 19/6/15
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 6 seconds ago
"It wasn't Al Q terrorising the citizens it was the Taliban, our allies and Americas."
You're going back to the 80's now. Both are extremism and neither had it's place in Afghan.
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Busby, two simple questions:
1. Why do you not refer to US/UK policy as 'extremism', given that we are responsible for vastly more suffering, death and destruction that those you cite, and that we have done so (and continue to do so), for geo-political and economic reasons?
2. Are you aware that Britain and the US has a long and continuing history and supporting Islamic extremism, yet do so when 'our' policies goals briefly collude with theirs?
Given that you never mention those things in any of these discussions that pop up, would it be fair to assume you simply don't know much about it? Sorry to pick on you here, you're not alone.
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They are tough ones, and not something that can be answered in a sentence.
I would however ask you whether you believe the millions in the Middle East under dictatorships or caught up in the crossfire of the civil wars should just be left to fend for themselves?
Sri Lanka being a great example, there should have been an intervention, from somebody, it was disgusting and plain wrong.
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But we are responsible for those dictators.
Can you not see how much suffering we have caused in the middle-east since the end of WW2?
posted on 19/6/15
"For me, the scariest terrorists are the ones who murder people under the guise of "liberation" and democracy whilst stealing their resources because they believe their way of life is superior to everyone elses."
Effectively a tautology, as so many acts in history are either about X either "liberating" Y (from their false gods, ignorance etc) , or X believing their "way of life" (genetics, socio-economic systems, religion) are superior to those of Y.
posted on 19/6/15
I didn't say it was peaceful, I said it's what they wanted. Can you read?
Having said that it was a LOT!!!! more peaceful under the psychopath Saddam than it is under the freedom and democracy of America and Britain**
you seem to be quite confused and tense about it all tbh, on one hand you are quoting Britain as a great place with democratic values and then you are criticising Britain for wanting to establish a democracy in a country where one previously didnt exist, if I didnt like Britain I would leave.... I'm guessing your real anger lies with the Americans and its a deep rooted hatred, dont let it affect the rest of your life
posted on 19/6/15
The thing that irritates me with these debates is that no-one can ever just stick to the mindset of feeling sorry for the victims. There always seems to be a "but...." followed by some angry student political rhetoric.
That and both sides seem to stick so rigidly to their view of the world, seemingly oblivious to how similar they are in their behavioural mindset to those they propose to abhor.
It is not as simplistic as either side makes out when the debate moves to the wider issue. Thats why I can't understand sometimes why people can't just feel very sorry for the people that lost their lives due to a, at the very least, misguided and easily influenced individual and leave it at that.
posted on 19/6/15
oh and by the way it has just been confirmed that we are arming the Saudi. They are committing genocide in Yemen at the moment.
It just goes to show our foreign policy has nothing to do with being good. It's about keeping friends and power.
http://rt.com/uk/268324-uk-arming-saudi-yemen/#.VYQsNgUttJE.twitter
posted on 19/6/15
Kung Fu, quick question, why are saudi bombing Yemen?
posted on 19/6/15
When you stop and think about it, racism is bad, isn't it?
posted on 19/6/15
comment by yeah yeah (U17250)
posted 4 minutes ago
I didn't say it was peaceful, I said it's what they wanted. Can you read?
Having said that it was a LOT!!!! more peaceful under the psychopath Saddam than it is under the freedom and democracy of America and Britain**
you seem to be quite confused and tense about it all tbh, on one hand you are quoting Britain as a great place with democratic values and then you are criticising Britain for wanting to establish a democracy in a country where one previously didnt exist, if I didnt like Britain I would leave.... I'm guessing your real anger lies with the Americans and its a deep rooted hatred, dont let it affect the rest of your life
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Making more stuff up yeah yeah?
I don't which comments you are reading but you must be answering somebody else.
I don't ever remember stating i liked British democracy.
By the way you still haven't answered my question.
Were the people that went to IS practising Islam?
posted on 19/6/15
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posted on 19/6/15
comment by Mr Chelsea ✪ (U3579)
posted 1 minute ago
Kung Fu, quick question, why are saudi bombing Yemen?
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http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/why-is-saudi-arabia-bombing-yemen-1.2172101
That article for me seems to offer clarity, except that it labels the Saudis as Sunni.
They are Salafists/Wahabbis, they find the extreme in anything and everything. Pretty much the same as ISIS.
posted on 19/6/15
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posted on 19/6/15
Making more stuff up yeah yeah?
I don't which comments you are reading but you must be answering somebody else.
I don't ever remember stating i liked British democracy**
okay but you keep saying 'we' and 'our'?
posted on 19/6/15
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posted on 19/6/15
only until they do something wrong or evil 'United We Win' then they are no longer Muslim it would appear
posted on 19/6/15
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 2 minutes ago
Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
It's a bit extreme to call them IS and we shouldn't say they are of this sect. They are Muslim. All this Shia, Sunni, Wahabi nonsense is the issue with muslims nowadays.
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I agree, i don't like the labels and I refer to my self as only Muslim.
But I have to label those people in Saudi as something to make a clear distinction between us and them.
Shias etc I have no problem with.
posted on 19/6/15
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posted on 19/6/15
kungfu thanks.
posted on 19/6/15
comment by yeah yeah (U17250)
posted 1 minute ago
only until they do something wrong or evil 'United We Win' then they are no longer Muslim it would appear
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I'm pretty sure I told you in a previous answer that if they identify them selves as muslim then they are.
Did you read it???
It seems like you are not reading my comments but somebody else's, maybe a phantom kung fu we all can't see.
Now answer my question, were the people that went to syria and iraq practising Islam??? Answer!!!
posted on 19/6/15
comment by Mr Chelsea ✪ (U3579)
posted 1 minute ago
kungfu thanks.
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No probs mate.
posted on 19/6/15
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