comment by yeah yeah (U17250)
posted 8 minutes ago
Making more stuff up yeah yeah?
I don't which comments you are reading but you must be answering somebody else.
I don't ever remember stating i liked British democracy**
okaybut you keep saying 'we' and 'our'?
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I was born in Britain thats why.
Why do I have to like the British brand of democracy?
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 23 seconds ago
Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
I don't think there is a clear distinction. They are Muslim, end of story. They have validation for their school of thought. May be seen as extreme in the west but they are not outside the boundaries of Islam. They are not khawarij are they?
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They are outside the bounds of Islam mate.
They Killed Christians simply because they were Christians....
"This is a message from Muhammad Ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them.
Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens, and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them.
No compulsion is to be on them.
Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries.
No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses.
Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey his prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.
No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight.
The Muslims are to fight for them.
If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray.
Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants.
No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the last day (end of the world)."
....and they do not adhere to Islamic rules of engagement.
"Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone."
Now please tell me how they are not outside the bounds of Islam? It is shocking that you would think they are.
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I was born in Britain thats why.
Why do I have to like the British brand of democracy?**
why wouldnt you like it - people are treated equally regardless of religion, race or gender - whats not to like? Britan has given you all of this - Love your country Kung Fu
So the people that travel to Syria/Iraq to support ISIS are not trying to promote the establishment of a state that is based largely on an interpretation of Islam?
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 25 seconds ago
Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
I am not referring to their recent actions in Yemen. I have not really paid much attention to it if I am honest. I am referring to the ordinary person who follows the Hanbali school of thought. Those people are not extreme. I have a few saudi friends and they are far from extreme or outside the rules of Islam. If we are looking at the political system. Every arab country does not follow Islam properly.
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If your friends adhere to the principles above I have no problem with them.
There is no two ways about it, there is clear interpretation when it comes to taking somebodies life.
Only in self defence can a Muslim do so.
If it's not in self defence then that person is clearly outside the bound of Sharia.
"Now please tell me how they are not outside the bounds of Islam? It is shocking that you would think they are."
Are there not caveats in the Quran where all bets are immediately off ??
With any such things, or things that are "open to interpretation" in religious scriptures, then you have the wiggle room for a certain mindset to believe that what they are doing is just (and will be rewarded) .
comment by yeah yeah (U17250)
posted 1 minute ago
I was born in Britain thats why.
Why do I have to like the British brand of democracy?**
why wouldnt you like it - people are treated equally regardless of religion, race or gender - whats not to like? Britan has given you all of this - Love your country Kung Fu
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hahaha people are treated equally in Britain?? ok mate.
Answer my question yeah yeah, I answered yours after all.
Every week another article about American incident. Just make a politics board please Admin this should be about the game
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comment by Rover the hill and far away (U7040)
posted 1 minute ago
So the people that travel to Syria/Iraq to support ISIS are not trying to promote the establishment of a state that is based largely on an interpretation of Islam?
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No they are not, is the simple answer.
A legitimate Caliphate would resemble nothing like the one in Syria and Iraq.
If they adhered to the rules (in my comment above) there would hardly be any killing going on.
Whilst I agree with that UWW, the basic premise is true. They are there to perpetuate a religiously based state based on their interpretation of Islamic teachings. That it doesn't adhere to other people interpretation of Islam does not invalidate the conclusion.
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"A legitimate Caliphate would resemble nothing like the one in Syria and Iraq.
If they adhered to the rules (in my comment above) there would hardly be any killing going on."
Mmm.....I haven't done a whole lot of investigation but what I have read suggests that there is a awful lot of debate and interpretation about what the teachings of Islam actually conclude and how you would choose to interpret it. I don't think you can post a couple of verses extracted from the Koran to prove or disprove this point. Same as you couldn't with the bible.
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comment by The RDBD (demoted to supporting the team managed by Pep Guardiola) (U1062)
posted 3 minutes ago
"Now please tell me how they are not outside the bounds of Islam? It is shocking that you would think they are."
Are there not caveats in the Quran where all bets are immediately off ??
With any such things, or things that are "open to interpretation" in religious scriptures, then you have the wiggle room for a certain mindset to believe that what they are doing is just (and will be rewarded) .
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Nope there isn't, here's a prime example.
Some parts of the Quran talk about striking down the infidel and killing non muslims.
Brain washers use these sentences as they are.
Muslims with sincerity use the historical context to interpret these sentences. They only way you can these Quranic verses should be interpreted.
When you use historical context, you will find that these aren't instructions to generally slaughter innocent non muslims.
The Quran is referring to certain moments in the prophets life where small collectives of non muslims were killing Muslims, simply because they were muslim.
The order in the Quran to kill the infidels, was permission to kill the attackers in self defence.
Muslims now use these historical events as an example of only being able to take a life IF attacked.
The Quran even orders Muslims to escort the enemy to safety if they surrender. Imagine what would happen to an enemy combatant on both sides if they surrendered...
hahaha people are treated equally in Britain?? ok mate.
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Now we're getting somewhere - why aren't people treated equally in Britain - can you give some examples?
your question was are the people joining IS from Britain followers of Islam - honestly with not knowing them I couldnt say for sure but they themselves are pretty adamant that they are followers of Islam, I also dont know what toppings they like on their Pizza to be fair but hatred is hatred, dont let it consume you
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 5 minutes ago
Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
People in Britain are treated 10 times more equally than Muslims in Muslim countries and lets not even bring minority groups into the equation. You can practise Islam more freely in Britain than in some Muslim countries. Think Britain is quite fair to people.
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I didn't say they weren't treated more equally, but why does that mean the British system is any good?
If we are comparing Britain to Arab nations as to how well we are doing then we have no hope for the future.
I'm not 100% convinced by the Saudis committing genocide argument, its them and quite a few others if thats the case. The Houthis are hardly a faction worth backing for their humanitarian efforts either...
The OP is absolutely spot on. This church díckhead, batman killer, school shooters... All of them are "troubled, white males who are mentally ill."
Other recent cases of "naive, black males that listen to rap" who didn't kill or assault anybody and weren't carrying weapons... Shot dead or beaten the fúck out of. That doesn't scream equality to me.
But the OP is referring to 'media bias' which obviously exists, not just for race, but for whatever agenda is being pushed.
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The RDBD (demoted to supporting the team managed by Pep Guardiola) (U1062)
posted 3 minutes ago
"Now please tell me how they are not outside the bounds of Islam? It is shocking that you would think they are."
Are there not caveats in the Quran where all bets are immediately off ??
With any such things, or things that are "open to interpretation" in religious scriptures, then you have the wiggle room for a certain mindset to believe that what they are doing is just (and will be rewarded) .
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Nope there isn't, here's a prime example.
Some parts of the Quran talk about striking down the infidel and killing non muslims.
Brain washers use these sentences as they are.
Muslims with sincerity use the historical context to interpret these sentences. They only way you can these Quranic verses should be interpreted.
When you use historical context, you will find that these aren't instructions to generally slaughter innocent non muslims.
The Quran is referring to certain moments in the prophets life where small collectives of non muslims were killing Muslims, simply because they were muslim.
The order in the Quran to kill the infidels, was permission to kill the attackers in self defence.
Muslims now use these historical events as an example of only being able to take a life IF attacked.
The Quran even orders Muslims to escort the enemy to safety if they surrender. Imagine what would happen to an enemy combatant on both sides if they surrendered...
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Your interpretation is completely different from those of Al Shabab, Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, ISIS etc.
What if you are wrong and they are right?
Would you still stick with the religion?
I mean, if this interpretation is an isolated occurence, then I can understand. But the fact is that it is happening in Muslim majority countries across the globe.
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comment by yeah yeah (U17250)
posted 55 seconds ago
hahaha people are treated equally in Britain?? ok mate.
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Now we're getting somewhere - why aren't people treated equally in Britain - can you give some examples?
your question was are the people joining IS from Britain followers of Islam - honestly with not knowing them I couldnt say for sure but they themselves are pretty adamant that they are followers of Islam, I also dont know what toppings they like on their Pizza to be fair but hatred is hatred, dont let it consume you
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How has hatred consumed me?
I am preaching peace using islamic sources.
Do you think I am consumed with hate because I don't like British or American "democracy". Plato called our brand of democracy tyrannical. A non muslim source for you and one of the greatest minds in human history. Maybe you will trust him more than me.
As for examples, you don't think this country has double standards.
The chief of police just came out the other day and said Muslims not drinking alcohol is a sign of extremism. It means me and all the muslims on here observing ramadan are extremists.
Cameron came out and said...
“For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens: as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone."
This is madness.
He now wants to persecute people for staying within the bounds of British law.
Britain is better to live in than a some countries but that doesn't mean it's great.
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posted on 19/6/15
comment by yeah yeah (U17250)
posted 8 minutes ago
Making more stuff up yeah yeah?
I don't which comments you are reading but you must be answering somebody else.
I don't ever remember stating i liked British democracy**
okaybut you keep saying 'we' and 'our'?
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I was born in Britain thats why.
Why do I have to like the British brand of democracy?
posted on 19/6/15
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 23 seconds ago
Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
I don't think there is a clear distinction. They are Muslim, end of story. They have validation for their school of thought. May be seen as extreme in the west but they are not outside the boundaries of Islam. They are not khawarij are they?
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They are outside the bounds of Islam mate.
They Killed Christians simply because they were Christians....
"This is a message from Muhammad Ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them.
Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens, and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them.
No compulsion is to be on them.
Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries.
No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses.
Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey his prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.
No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight.
The Muslims are to fight for them.
If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray.
Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants.
No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the last day (end of the world)."
....and they do not adhere to Islamic rules of engagement.
"Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone."
Now please tell me how they are not outside the bounds of Islam? It is shocking that you would think they are.
posted on 19/6/15
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posted on 19/6/15
I was born in Britain thats why.
Why do I have to like the British brand of democracy?**
why wouldnt you like it - people are treated equally regardless of religion, race or gender - whats not to like? Britan has given you all of this - Love your country Kung Fu
posted on 19/6/15
So the people that travel to Syria/Iraq to support ISIS are not trying to promote the establishment of a state that is based largely on an interpretation of Islam?
posted on 19/6/15
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 25 seconds ago
Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
I am not referring to their recent actions in Yemen. I have not really paid much attention to it if I am honest. I am referring to the ordinary person who follows the Hanbali school of thought. Those people are not extreme. I have a few saudi friends and they are far from extreme or outside the rules of Islam. If we are looking at the political system. Every arab country does not follow Islam properly.
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If your friends adhere to the principles above I have no problem with them.
There is no two ways about it, there is clear interpretation when it comes to taking somebodies life.
Only in self defence can a Muslim do so.
If it's not in self defence then that person is clearly outside the bound of Sharia.
posted on 19/6/15
"Now please tell me how they are not outside the bounds of Islam? It is shocking that you would think they are."
Are there not caveats in the Quran where all bets are immediately off ??
With any such things, or things that are "open to interpretation" in religious scriptures, then you have the wiggle room for a certain mindset to believe that what they are doing is just (and will be rewarded) .
posted on 19/6/15
comment by yeah yeah (U17250)
posted 1 minute ago
I was born in Britain thats why.
Why do I have to like the British brand of democracy?**
why wouldnt you like it - people are treated equally regardless of religion, race or gender - whats not to like? Britan has given you all of this - Love your country Kung Fu
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hahaha people are treated equally in Britain?? ok mate.
Answer my question yeah yeah, I answered yours after all.
posted on 19/6/15
Every week another article about American incident. Just make a politics board please Admin this should be about the game
posted on 19/6/15
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posted on 19/6/15
comment by Rover the hill and far away (U7040)
posted 1 minute ago
So the people that travel to Syria/Iraq to support ISIS are not trying to promote the establishment of a state that is based largely on an interpretation of Islam?
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No they are not, is the simple answer.
A legitimate Caliphate would resemble nothing like the one in Syria and Iraq.
If they adhered to the rules (in my comment above) there would hardly be any killing going on.
posted on 19/6/15
Whilst I agree with that UWW, the basic premise is true. They are there to perpetuate a religiously based state based on their interpretation of Islamic teachings. That it doesn't adhere to other people interpretation of Islam does not invalidate the conclusion.
posted on 19/6/15
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posted on 19/6/15
"A legitimate Caliphate would resemble nothing like the one in Syria and Iraq.
If they adhered to the rules (in my comment above) there would hardly be any killing going on."
Mmm.....I haven't done a whole lot of investigation but what I have read suggests that there is a awful lot of debate and interpretation about what the teachings of Islam actually conclude and how you would choose to interpret it. I don't think you can post a couple of verses extracted from the Koran to prove or disprove this point. Same as you couldn't with the bible.
posted on 19/6/15
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posted on 19/6/15
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posted on 19/6/15
comment by The RDBD (demoted to supporting the team managed by Pep Guardiola) (U1062)
posted 3 minutes ago
"Now please tell me how they are not outside the bounds of Islam? It is shocking that you would think they are."
Are there not caveats in the Quran where all bets are immediately off ??
With any such things, or things that are "open to interpretation" in religious scriptures, then you have the wiggle room for a certain mindset to believe that what they are doing is just (and will be rewarded) .
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Nope there isn't, here's a prime example.
Some parts of the Quran talk about striking down the infidel and killing non muslims.
Brain washers use these sentences as they are.
Muslims with sincerity use the historical context to interpret these sentences. They only way you can these Quranic verses should be interpreted.
When you use historical context, you will find that these aren't instructions to generally slaughter innocent non muslims.
The Quran is referring to certain moments in the prophets life where small collectives of non muslims were killing Muslims, simply because they were muslim.
The order in the Quran to kill the infidels, was permission to kill the attackers in self defence.
Muslims now use these historical events as an example of only being able to take a life IF attacked.
The Quran even orders Muslims to escort the enemy to safety if they surrender. Imagine what would happen to an enemy combatant on both sides if they surrendered...
posted on 19/6/15
hahaha people are treated equally in Britain?? ok mate.
**
Now we're getting somewhere - why aren't people treated equally in Britain - can you give some examples?
your question was are the people joining IS from Britain followers of Islam - honestly with not knowing them I couldnt say for sure but they themselves are pretty adamant that they are followers of Islam, I also dont know what toppings they like on their Pizza to be fair but hatred is hatred, dont let it consume you
posted on 19/6/15
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 5 minutes ago
Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
People in Britain are treated 10 times more equally than Muslims in Muslim countries and lets not even bring minority groups into the equation. You can practise Islam more freely in Britain than in some Muslim countries. Think Britain is quite fair to people.
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I didn't say they weren't treated more equally, but why does that mean the British system is any good?
If we are comparing Britain to Arab nations as to how well we are doing then we have no hope for the future.
posted on 19/6/15
I'm not 100% convinced by the Saudis committing genocide argument, its them and quite a few others if thats the case. The Houthis are hardly a faction worth backing for their humanitarian efforts either...
posted on 19/6/15
The OP is absolutely spot on. This church díckhead, batman killer, school shooters... All of them are "troubled, white males who are mentally ill."
Other recent cases of "naive, black males that listen to rap" who didn't kill or assault anybody and weren't carrying weapons... Shot dead or beaten the fúck out of. That doesn't scream equality to me.
But the OP is referring to 'media bias' which obviously exists, not just for race, but for whatever agenda is being pushed.
posted on 19/6/15
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The RDBD (demoted to supporting the team managed by Pep Guardiola) (U1062)
posted 3 minutes ago
"Now please tell me how they are not outside the bounds of Islam? It is shocking that you would think they are."
Are there not caveats in the Quran where all bets are immediately off ??
With any such things, or things that are "open to interpretation" in religious scriptures, then you have the wiggle room for a certain mindset to believe that what they are doing is just (and will be rewarded) .
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Nope there isn't, here's a prime example.
Some parts of the Quran talk about striking down the infidel and killing non muslims.
Brain washers use these sentences as they are.
Muslims with sincerity use the historical context to interpret these sentences. They only way you can these Quranic verses should be interpreted.
When you use historical context, you will find that these aren't instructions to generally slaughter innocent non muslims.
The Quran is referring to certain moments in the prophets life where small collectives of non muslims were killing Muslims, simply because they were muslim.
The order in the Quran to kill the infidels, was permission to kill the attackers in self defence.
Muslims now use these historical events as an example of only being able to take a life IF attacked.
The Quran even orders Muslims to escort the enemy to safety if they surrender. Imagine what would happen to an enemy combatant on both sides if they surrendered...
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Your interpretation is completely different from those of Al Shabab, Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, ISIS etc.
What if you are wrong and they are right?
Would you still stick with the religion?
I mean, if this interpretation is an isolated occurence, then I can understand. But the fact is that it is happening in Muslim majority countries across the globe.
posted on 19/6/15
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posted on 19/6/15
comment by yeah yeah (U17250)
posted 55 seconds ago
hahaha people are treated equally in Britain?? ok mate.
**
Now we're getting somewhere - why aren't people treated equally in Britain - can you give some examples?
your question was are the people joining IS from Britain followers of Islam - honestly with not knowing them I couldnt say for sure but they themselves are pretty adamant that they are followers of Islam, I also dont know what toppings they like on their Pizza to be fair but hatred is hatred, dont let it consume you
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How has hatred consumed me?
I am preaching peace using islamic sources.
Do you think I am consumed with hate because I don't like British or American "democracy". Plato called our brand of democracy tyrannical. A non muslim source for you and one of the greatest minds in human history. Maybe you will trust him more than me.
As for examples, you don't think this country has double standards.
The chief of police just came out the other day and said Muslims not drinking alcohol is a sign of extremism. It means me and all the muslims on here observing ramadan are extremists.
Cameron came out and said...
“For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens: as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone."
This is madness.
He now wants to persecute people for staying within the bounds of British law.
Britain is better to live in than a some countries but that doesn't mean it's great.
posted on 19/6/15
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