comment by Falmaria (U19849)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 25 seconds ago
Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
I am not referring to their recent actions in Yemen. I have not really paid much attention to it if I am honest. I am referring to the ordinary person who follows the Hanbali school of thought. Those people are not extreme. I have a few saudi friends and they are far from extreme or outside the rules of Islam. If we are looking at the political system. Every arab country does not follow Islam properly.
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If your friends adhere to the principles above I have no problem with them.
There is no two ways about it, there is clear interpretation when it comes to taking somebodies life.
Only in self defence can a Muslim do so.
If it's not in self defence then that person is clearly outside the bound of Sharia.
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Salaam my brother. Not the place to discuss it but thats not quite true. The rulings are different for different circumstances. Occupying forces are dealt with different than standard war, which is why your verses refer to
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Absolutely I agree. I've had to provide so much information to different people on here I've had to dumb it down a bit.
Some people won't understand the intricacies of Islamic Juraipidence.
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Ut oh here comes Mr weare BNP
It seems the media are already making excuses for this racist terrorist.
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OP.
Man flips and kills many. Unfortunate but hardly ''terrorism''.
You dislike the way the media are currently acting despite yourself being happily convinced for many years by this same media, that every nutter is a ''terrorist''?
The sad thing is that you're not alone.
Busby
They are tough ones, and not something that can be
answered in a sentence.
I would however ask you whether you believe the millions in the Middle East under dictatorships or caught up in the crossfire of the civil wars should just be left to fend for themselves?
Sri Lanka being a great example, there should have been an intervention, from somebody, it was disgusting and plain wrong.
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1. They aren't particularly tough questions. We have pretty good evidence for the extremity of Western state violence and we have pretty good evidence of the outcomes - entirely predictable - of our policies, which include supporting radical extremist groups.
2. I don't believe they should be left to fend for themselves, no. We should help them. So first thing we can do is apply massive pressure to our own governments to stop supporting brutal regimes and actively undermining democracy.
comment by TUX (U5315)
posted 38 minutes ago
It seems the media are already making excuses for this racist terrorist.
--------------------------------------------
OP.
Man flips and kills many. Unfortunate but hardly ''terrorism''.
You dislike the way the media are currently acting despite yourself being happily convinced for many years by this same media, that every nutter is a ''terrorist''?
The sad thing is that you're not alone.
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Two men flipped and killed a soldier in Woolwich for who he was. Not terrorism I guess.
This OP is trying to spin reality,as reports have all said it was a racist hate crime,by a racially motivated killer,who says blacks were taking over,and he was murdering for the white race.
Now,if that is trying to deflect,and if that in any way makes the gunman a better man than a black guy,I give up.
If some video is trying to spin the story,that is not reflecting how the story has broken.
The OP is seeking something that is not there,and that is weird.
Not all society thinks one race is good and another bad,or all cops good and black men bad,and this side picking whataboutery is a waste of time.
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 4 minutes ago
This OP is trying to spin reality,as reports have all said it was a racist hate crime,by a racially motivated killer,who says blacks were taking over,and he was murdering for the white race.
Now,if that is trying to deflect,and if that in any way makes the gunman a better man than a black guy,I give up.
If some video is trying to spin the story,that is not reflecting how the story has broken.
The OP is seeking something that is not there,and that is weird.
Not all society thinks one race is good and another bad,or all cops good and black men bad,and this side picking whataboutery is a waste of time.
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In fairness there were some outlets theorising (before the suspect was identified) that this could potentially be an attack on Christians, obviously because it was an attack in a church.
Once the suspect was caught though i didnt see any major outlet denying the obvious
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by TUX (U5315)
posted 38 minutes ago
It seems the media are already making excuses for this racist terrorist.
--------------------------------------------
OP.
Man flips and kills many. Unfortunate but hardly ''terrorism''.
You dislike the way the media are currently acting despite yourself being happily convinced for many years by this same media, that every nutter is a ''terrorist''?
The sad thing is that you're not alone.
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Two men flipped and killed a soldier in Woolwich for who he was. Not terrorism I guess.
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How was it terrorism?
9 Black people killed in a popular church for black people by a guy who didn't want them there, in order to scare other black people.
These are obviously terror tactics.
He obviously has a political agenda not have blacks in the area and unless I'm mistaken he is a fan of the confederacy.
Tux
Perhaps the skum who murdered Lee Rigby and the Methodists in Charleston were using terror,and therefore both could be labelled terrorist,if that helps.
Evil is evil,whether white,black,religous or secular.
Kung Fu
You are correct in saying the Roof racist targeted black people,just as some black and muslim people target white's and Christian's,for the same reasons....they hate them,and want to harm them.
Just as extremist muslims target Jews,Yazidi,Turkmen,Christian's,because they want rid of them.
Over 1 million Christian's targeted in Iraq,by isis,who do not want them there,and target them for being Christian/
Iraq's Christian population has dropped from 1.5 million to 400k now.
Or 60,000 Christians targeted by muslim extremists in Mosul,and now isis have cleansed the city.
Evil white racists,black racists and muslim bigots abound.
By the way,hello Kung Fu,and long time,no chat,mate.
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
Kung Fu
You are correct in saying the Roof racist targeted black people,just as some black and muslim people target white's and Christian's,for the same reasons....they hate them,and want to harm them.
Just as extremist muslims target Jews,Yazidi,Turkmen,Christian's,because they want rid of them.
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I can't disagree with that.
It just seems that in some peoples eyes the label of terrorist is only reserved for a certain type of person.
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
By the way,hello Kung Fu,and long time,no chat,mate.
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Yes long time mate, you missed debate at it's peak it's died down a bit now.
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 12 minutes ago
9 Black people killed in a popular church for black people by a guy who didn't want them there, in order to scare other black people.
These are obviously terror tactics.
He obviously has a political agenda not have blacks in the area and unless I'm mistaken he is a fan of the confederacy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That makes him a racist.
Why bring ''terror'' into the argument ?
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 12 minutes ago
Tux
Perhaps the skum who murdered Lee Rigby and the Methodists in Charleston were using terror,and therefore both could be labelled terrorist,if that helps.
Evil is evil,whether white,black,religous or secular.
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With all due respect, i don't need your help bud.
But as you say, ''evil is evil''. There's no need to tag it with an inappropriate 'strap line' ie 'Terrorism'.
comment by TUX (U5315)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 12 minutes ago
9 Black people killed in a popular church for black people by a guy who didn't want them there, in order to scare other black people.
These are obviously terror tactics.
He obviously has a political agenda not have blacks in the area and unless I'm mistaken he is a fan of the confederacy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That makes him a racist.
Why bring ''terror'' into the argument ?
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Because it's politically motivated and he wanted to manipulate other black people through fear and intimidation.
Why bring terrorism into the equation when Al Qaeda do something?
I don't think you have a grasp on the definition of terrorism, which can be quite broad.
Kung Fu
I read some at work,but dare not go on as folk were sacked from our building,for using their computer for non-work related matters.
Reading some of your posts,and they were informative,but I was under the impression people going to join isis would regard themselves as muslim followers of islam,going to fight for an Islamic caliphate.
Now,we can debate their understanding of the Quran and Islam,but surely that is central to their action,and they are defending muslim's against the evil western infidel's,cross worshippers and Israel?
People used the bible to justify slavery,homophobia,and some misunderstand the bible,or focus on old testament teaching,so muslim's may misunderstand or distort text,when it suits.
I think islamists are religious/political bigots,and not just political animals.
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by TUX (U5315)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 12 minutes ago
9 Black people killed in a popular church for black people by a guy who didn't want them there, in order to scare other black people.
These are obviously terror tactics.
He obviously has a political agenda not have blacks in the area and unless I'm mistaken he is a fan of the confederacy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That makes him a racist.
Why bring ''terror'' into the argument ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because it's politically motivated and he wanted to manipulate other black people through fear and intimidation.
Why bring terrorism into the equation when Al Qaeda do something?
I don't think you have a grasp on the definition of terrorism, which can be quite broad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I've never brought 'terrorism' into this debate.
Reading what's posted would help you..............maybe?
Tux
No offence,bud,but I was not attempting to help you,but rather,I decided to comment on your comment.
That is debate.
Playing semantic's with words such as terror and terrorist,will always lead to comment,as Kung Fu has highlighted.
Roof had links to 16 S Carolina supremacist groups,and some may use violence/terror.
He may be a lone white wolf-terrorist,or a gang member.
comment by TUX (U5315)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by TUX (U5315)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 12 minutes ago
9 Black people killed in a popular church for black people by a guy who didn't want them there, in order to scare other black people.
These are obviously terror tactics.
He obviously has a political agenda not have blacks in the area and unless I'm mistaken he is a fan of the confederacy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That makes him a racist.
Why bring ''terror'' into the argument ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because it's politically motivated and he wanted to manipulate other black people through fear and intimidation.
Why bring terrorism into the equation when Al Qaeda do something?
I don't think you have a grasp on the definition of terrorism, which can be quite broad.
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I've never brought 'terrorism' into this debate.
Reading what's posted would help you..............maybe?
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I know you haven't, I'm asking you a question.
Pretty simple, really.
@bluebell
Thanks again for the effort bud.
I feel that you and 'Kung-Fu' have far more in common though.
Enjoy your evening
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posted on 19/6/15
comment by Falmaria (U19849)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 25 seconds ago
Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
I am not referring to their recent actions in Yemen. I have not really paid much attention to it if I am honest. I am referring to the ordinary person who follows the Hanbali school of thought. Those people are not extreme. I have a few saudi friends and they are far from extreme or outside the rules of Islam. If we are looking at the political system. Every arab country does not follow Islam properly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If your friends adhere to the principles above I have no problem with them.
There is no two ways about it, there is clear interpretation when it comes to taking somebodies life.
Only in self defence can a Muslim do so.
If it's not in self defence then that person is clearly outside the bound of Sharia.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Salaam my brother. Not the place to discuss it but thats not quite true. The rulings are different for different circumstances. Occupying forces are dealt with different than standard war, which is why your verses refer to
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely I agree. I've had to provide so much information to different people on here I've had to dumb it down a bit.
Some people won't understand the intricacies of Islamic Juraipidence.
posted on 19/6/15
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 19/6/15
Ut oh here comes Mr weare BNP
posted on 19/6/15
It seems the media are already making excuses for this racist terrorist.
--------------------------------------------
OP.
Man flips and kills many. Unfortunate but hardly ''terrorism''.
You dislike the way the media are currently acting despite yourself being happily convinced for many years by this same media, that every nutter is a ''terrorist''?
The sad thing is that you're not alone.
posted on 19/6/15
Busby
They are tough ones, and not something that can be
answered in a sentence.
I would however ask you whether you believe the millions in the Middle East under dictatorships or caught up in the crossfire of the civil wars should just be left to fend for themselves?
Sri Lanka being a great example, there should have been an intervention, from somebody, it was disgusting and plain wrong.
----------------
1. They aren't particularly tough questions. We have pretty good evidence for the extremity of Western state violence and we have pretty good evidence of the outcomes - entirely predictable - of our policies, which include supporting radical extremist groups.
2. I don't believe they should be left to fend for themselves, no. We should help them. So first thing we can do is apply massive pressure to our own governments to stop supporting brutal regimes and actively undermining democracy.
posted on 19/6/15
Sharticle.
posted on 19/6/15
comment by TUX (U5315)
posted 38 minutes ago
It seems the media are already making excuses for this racist terrorist.
--------------------------------------------
OP.
Man flips and kills many. Unfortunate but hardly ''terrorism''.
You dislike the way the media are currently acting despite yourself being happily convinced for many years by this same media, that every nutter is a ''terrorist''?
The sad thing is that you're not alone.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Two men flipped and killed a soldier in Woolwich for who he was. Not terrorism I guess.
posted on 19/6/15
This OP is trying to spin reality,as reports have all said it was a racist hate crime,by a racially motivated killer,who says blacks were taking over,and he was murdering for the white race.
Now,if that is trying to deflect,and if that in any way makes the gunman a better man than a black guy,I give up.
If some video is trying to spin the story,that is not reflecting how the story has broken.
The OP is seeking something that is not there,and that is weird.
Not all society thinks one race is good and another bad,or all cops good and black men bad,and this side picking whataboutery is a waste of time.
posted on 19/6/15
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 4 minutes ago
This OP is trying to spin reality,as reports have all said it was a racist hate crime,by a racially motivated killer,who says blacks were taking over,and he was murdering for the white race.
Now,if that is trying to deflect,and if that in any way makes the gunman a better man than a black guy,I give up.
If some video is trying to spin the story,that is not reflecting how the story has broken.
The OP is seeking something that is not there,and that is weird.
Not all society thinks one race is good and another bad,or all cops good and black men bad,and this side picking whataboutery is a waste of time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In fairness there were some outlets theorising (before the suspect was identified) that this could potentially be an attack on Christians, obviously because it was an attack in a church.
Once the suspect was caught though i didnt see any major outlet denying the obvious
posted on 19/6/15
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by TUX (U5315)
posted 38 minutes ago
It seems the media are already making excuses for this racist terrorist.
--------------------------------------------
OP.
Man flips and kills many. Unfortunate but hardly ''terrorism''.
You dislike the way the media are currently acting despite yourself being happily convinced for many years by this same media, that every nutter is a ''terrorist''?
The sad thing is that you're not alone.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Two men flipped and killed a soldier in Woolwich for who he was. Not terrorism I guess.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How was it terrorism?
posted on 19/6/15
9 Black people killed in a popular church for black people by a guy who didn't want them there, in order to scare other black people.
These are obviously terror tactics.
He obviously has a political agenda not have blacks in the area and unless I'm mistaken he is a fan of the confederacy.
posted on 19/6/15
Tux
Perhaps the skum who murdered Lee Rigby and the Methodists in Charleston were using terror,and therefore both could be labelled terrorist,if that helps.
Evil is evil,whether white,black,religous or secular.
posted on 19/6/15
Kung Fu
You are correct in saying the Roof racist targeted black people,just as some black and muslim people target white's and Christian's,for the same reasons....they hate them,and want to harm them.
Just as extremist muslims target Jews,Yazidi,Turkmen,Christian's,because they want rid of them.
posted on 19/6/15
Over 1 million Christian's targeted in Iraq,by isis,who do not want them there,and target them for being Christian/
Iraq's Christian population has dropped from 1.5 million to 400k now.
Or 60,000 Christians targeted by muslim extremists in Mosul,and now isis have cleansed the city.
Evil white racists,black racists and muslim bigots abound.
posted on 19/6/15
By the way,hello Kung Fu,and long time,no chat,mate.
posted on 19/6/15
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
Kung Fu
You are correct in saying the Roof racist targeted black people,just as some black and muslim people target white's and Christian's,for the same reasons....they hate them,and want to harm them.
Just as extremist muslims target Jews,Yazidi,Turkmen,Christian's,because they want rid of them.
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I can't disagree with that.
It just seems that in some peoples eyes the label of terrorist is only reserved for a certain type of person.
posted on 19/6/15
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
By the way,hello Kung Fu,and long time,no chat,mate.
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Yes long time mate, you missed debate at it's peak it's died down a bit now.
posted on 19/6/15
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 12 minutes ago
9 Black people killed in a popular church for black people by a guy who didn't want them there, in order to scare other black people.
These are obviously terror tactics.
He obviously has a political agenda not have blacks in the area and unless I'm mistaken he is a fan of the confederacy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That makes him a racist.
Why bring ''terror'' into the argument ?
posted on 19/6/15
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 12 minutes ago
Tux
Perhaps the skum who murdered Lee Rigby and the Methodists in Charleston were using terror,and therefore both could be labelled terrorist,if that helps.
Evil is evil,whether white,black,religous or secular.
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With all due respect, i don't need your help bud.
But as you say, ''evil is evil''. There's no need to tag it with an inappropriate 'strap line' ie 'Terrorism'.
posted on 19/6/15
comment by TUX (U5315)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 12 minutes ago
9 Black people killed in a popular church for black people by a guy who didn't want them there, in order to scare other black people.
These are obviously terror tactics.
He obviously has a political agenda not have blacks in the area and unless I'm mistaken he is a fan of the confederacy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That makes him a racist.
Why bring ''terror'' into the argument ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because it's politically motivated and he wanted to manipulate other black people through fear and intimidation.
Why bring terrorism into the equation when Al Qaeda do something?
I don't think you have a grasp on the definition of terrorism, which can be quite broad.
posted on 19/6/15
Kung Fu
I read some at work,but dare not go on as folk were sacked from our building,for using their computer for non-work related matters.
Reading some of your posts,and they were informative,but I was under the impression people going to join isis would regard themselves as muslim followers of islam,going to fight for an Islamic caliphate.
Now,we can debate their understanding of the Quran and Islam,but surely that is central to their action,and they are defending muslim's against the evil western infidel's,cross worshippers and Israel?
People used the bible to justify slavery,homophobia,and some misunderstand the bible,or focus on old testament teaching,so muslim's may misunderstand or distort text,when it suits.
I think islamists are religious/political bigots,and not just political animals.
posted on 19/6/15
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by TUX (U5315)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 12 minutes ago
9 Black people killed in a popular church for black people by a guy who didn't want them there, in order to scare other black people.
These are obviously terror tactics.
He obviously has a political agenda not have blacks in the area and unless I'm mistaken he is a fan of the confederacy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That makes him a racist.
Why bring ''terror'' into the argument ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because it's politically motivated and he wanted to manipulate other black people through fear and intimidation.
Why bring terrorism into the equation when Al Qaeda do something?
I don't think you have a grasp on the definition of terrorism, which can be quite broad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I've never brought 'terrorism' into this debate.
Reading what's posted would help you..............maybe?
posted on 19/6/15
Tux
No offence,bud,but I was not attempting to help you,but rather,I decided to comment on your comment.
That is debate.
Playing semantic's with words such as terror and terrorist,will always lead to comment,as Kung Fu has highlighted.
Roof had links to 16 S Carolina supremacist groups,and some may use violence/terror.
He may be a lone white wolf-terrorist,or a gang member.
posted on 19/6/15
comment by TUX (U5315)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by TUX (U5315)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 12 minutes ago
9 Black people killed in a popular church for black people by a guy who didn't want them there, in order to scare other black people.
These are obviously terror tactics.
He obviously has a political agenda not have blacks in the area and unless I'm mistaken he is a fan of the confederacy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That makes him a racist.
Why bring ''terror'' into the argument ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because it's politically motivated and he wanted to manipulate other black people through fear and intimidation.
Why bring terrorism into the equation when Al Qaeda do something?
I don't think you have a grasp on the definition of terrorism, which can be quite broad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I've never brought 'terrorism' into this debate.
Reading what's posted would help you..............maybe?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I know you haven't, I'm asking you a question.
Pretty simple, really.
posted on 19/6/15
@bluebell
Thanks again for the effort bud.
I feel that you and 'Kung-Fu' have far more in common though.
Enjoy your evening
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