comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 6 seconds ago
Where did you get the extended family from?
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Various sources. Washington Post, ABC, and I think the Huff. Few videos doing the rounds too.
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 1 minute ago
There have already been reports of exceptions being made though
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Let's be honest, this order is purely political. To appease the far right etc.
If you include Huffington post you might as well include breitbart and infowars
Well it is what people voted for
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 1 minute ago
If you include Huffington post you might as well include breitbart and infowars
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I did say various.
But you're right. This is what the US voted for. Although not a single American has been killed by terrorists originating from the banned countries.
So none have made threats? And no attacks have been planned and stopped?
To be honest, much as i think Trump is a complete bell i do think some of the over reactions to his early movements have been seriously over played.
If he wants to tighten security, which clearly does need doing, then at some point a short term block does have to be in place.
These measures have nothing to do with counter-terrorism. If they did, why has Trump left out many other predominantly Muslim countries??
Including some of the largest (Indonesia, and Pakistan, Saudi Arabia). The ban also fails to include some of the Muslim countries which have been biggest threat/source of terrorism: Again, Saudi Arabia. 15 of the 19, 9/11 hijackers were Saudi, and were Saudi financed.
And finally the ban appears to exclude all Muslim countries where Trump owns hotels or has business investments. Although it's difficult to be certain, as he refused to release his tax returns.
History will observe a Donald Trump led administration banned refugees from entering the US on Holocaust remembrance day.
comment by Whit’s fur ye’ll no go past ye (U11551)
posted 5 minutes ago
To be honest, much as i think Trump is a complete bell i do think some of the over reactions to his early movements have been seriously over played.
If he wants to tighten security, which clearly does need doing, then at some point a short term block does have to be in place.
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This is one of the more controversial ones so all the far left protestors have jumped on it.
It goes his difference from other politicians. Most would have simply put in an improved system which would have taken years to set up and not worked
Digby
From the Guardian.
"Pre-approved refugees, students and workers holding visas and residency green cards were barred from flights to the US, according to reports emerging from Amsterdam, Frankfurt and Cairo and other cities across Europe, the Middle East and Africa"
"In New York City, two Iraqi refugees were detained at JFK airport. One, Hameed Khalid Darweesh, had worked in Iraq for the US government for 10 years. The other, Haider Sameer Abdulkhaleq Alshawi, was coming to the US to join his wife who had worked for a US contractor".
An Iraqi national who'd been working for the US government in Iraq has been barred from re-entering the US. You couldn't make it up.
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 11 minutes ago
ahhh the Muslim ban is in place, it's a shame the countries he's pt on the ban list have never had a citizen who has attacked America.
Not only a c()nt but Trump is as thick as schit.
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So no one in Iraq, Iran or Syria wishes to attack the USA?
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You would think that if he was banning Muslims from countries that had made threats he would also ban people from countries who have actually ATTACKED America.
Logical? I f()cking think so!
He isn't doing that though because like most politicians he is a dishonest arshole. It seems like he is giving out free rim jobs to the Saudi royals and Israeli's the biggest criminals in the middle-east the biggest criminals in the middle-east. Both of who have citizens who have attacked America (9/11 and the USS Liberty)
Iraq a country in which America has killed millions in an illegal war is on the ban list. So not only have they slaughtered them in their millions with bombs and sanctions, mutilated their new borns by using uranium tipped missiles but America also wants to rub salt into their wounds by saying 'ok we totally decimated your country and we knows it's our fault but we're still not going to help'
Now then do I think people from these countries have made threats? No, and until America actually shows us proof that somebody has I'm not going to make assumptions.
It sounds like you like Trump though so I'm guessing you'll make up any old bullschit that might fit into your world view.
Now then do I think people from these countries have made threats? No, and until America actually shows us proof that somebody has I'm not going to make assumptions.
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Much as I understand your point regarding him ignoring some nations that clearly carry a threat you cannot suggest there is no evidence that Iraqis want to harm Americans can you? We have seen umpteen terror attacks in Iraq aimed at americans and Westerners as a whole.
comment by Whit’s fur ye’ll no go past ye (U11551)
posted 2 minutes ago
Now then do I think people from these countries have made threats? No, and until America actually shows us proof that somebody has I'm not going to make assumptions.
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Much as I understand your point regarding him ignoring some nations that clearly carry a threat you cannot suggest there is no evidence that Iraqis want to harm Americans can you? We have seen umpteen terror attacks in Iraq aimed at americans and Westerners as a whole.
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I'm sure their are Iraqi's who want to harm Americans in Iraq and why wouldn't they? What the Americans have done to the Iraqi's is criminal.
Have we heard of an Iraqi threatening to kill Americans on American soil? No we haven't, it's safer not to make assumptions because they can be used to rationalise bigoted views.
It sounds like you like Trump though so I'm guessing you'll make up any old bullschit that might fit into your world view.
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Nah, while he will be better for Britain, I'm not fussed. I just don't think of him as the 2nd coming of Hitler like some
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 7 hours, 1 minute ago
If you don't have a passport from those countries then it won't at all.
If you do and have a green card then they are making case by case exceptions
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Can someone confirm that last bit doesn't just mean "If you know the right people or have enough 0s on your back account"?
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
It sounds like you like Trump though so I'm guessing you'll make up any old bullschit that might fit into your world view.
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Nah, while he will be better for Britain, I'm not fussed. I just don't think of him as the 2nd coming of Hitler like some
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Please explain why you believe Trump, a protectionist (American jobs, companies, interests etc first) will in any way be "better for Britain" ???
comment by itsonlyagame (U6426)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 7 hours, 1 minute ago
If you don't have a passport from those countries then it won't at all.
If you do and have a green card then they are making case by case exceptions
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Can someone confirm that last bit doesn't just mean "If you know the right people or have enough 0s on your back account"?
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No not really. The only exceptions that have been confirmed are for those deemed to be in a religious minority, and therefore at risk of persecution, in the 7 named nations, ie Christians etc. The contradiction being Iraqi Muslims who assisted US troops during their occupation not being afforded the same exception, despite being persecuted for doing so.
As Muslim nations and islamists want America and Europe to stay out of their affairs, and I agree with this, as does Trump and May and Farage, it works both ways, surely?
Vetting occurred under Lovely Obama, and this is extreme vetting on a temp basis.
I am sure we can tweek this security measure, and calm the leftists and islamists down.
Next, we can INTERFER in telling Turkey, China, how to govern, as we all love telling America what to do.
Pity the feminists, left and liberals did not focus on the many mainly Muslim nations before, when they kill gay folk, stone women, butcher Christians and ban civil rights.
Much more trendy to hate America though..bless the social warrior first world problems, eh😉
Kung fu
This is not a Muslim ban.
Temp security vetting.
We should leave Muslim states alone, period, or do you think we should take millions in from Muslim lands, rather than letting Muslim people sort out the Saddam's, Assad's,Gadaffi?
What if the nut in charge of turkey wrecks the place....seventy million move west?
Why should Muslim people want to come to the UK or America, being Christian states?
I would never move to a sharia mainly Muslim state.
Just sayin
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 7 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Whit’s fur ye’ll no go past ye (U11551)
posted 2 minutes ago
Now then do I think people from these countries have made threats? No, and until America actually shows us proof that somebody has I'm not going to make assumptions.
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Much as I understand your point regarding him ignoring some nations that clearly carry a threat you cannot suggest there is no evidence that Iraqis want to harm Americans can you? We have seen umpteen terror attacks in Iraq aimed at americans and Westerners as a whole.
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I'm sure their are Iraqi's who want to harm Americans in Iraq and why wouldn't they? What the Americans have done to the Iraqi's is criminal.
Have we heard of an Iraqi threatening to kill Americans on American soil? No we haven't, it's safer not to make assumptions because they can be used to rationalise bigoted views.
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Wtf......Muslim mutters move west and hate us, try to convert, set up extremist sharia hate laws, demand separation between men and women in pools and schools, and push Christians out of their own towns in England.
Just as Christians have been cleansed in Muslim lands, now three million live in the UK, and are starting to create mini calyphates.
No ta chuck..it ends now.
Kung fu just said Iraqi Muslims, not christian or Kurd I imagine, want to hurt America, and he says rightly so.
Wonder why Trump won, and vetting is in place.
Muslim mutters bring it on themselves.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
It sounds like you like Trump though so I'm guessing you'll make up any old bullschit that might fit into your world view.
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Nah, while he will be better for Britain, I'm not fussed. I just don't think of him as the 2nd coming of Hitler like some
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Please explain why you believe Trump, a protectionist (American jobs, companies, interests etc first) will in any way be "better for Britain" ???
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Silly idea us wanting friendly set up wi America, innit.
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
Kung fu
This is not a Muslim ban.
Temp security vetting.
We should leave Muslim states alone, period, or do you think we should take millions in from Muslim lands, rather than letting Muslim people sort out the Saddam's, Assad's,Gadaffi?
What if the nut in charge of turkey wrecks the place....seventy million move west?
Why should Muslim people want to come to the UK or America, being Christian states?
I would never move to a sharia mainly Muslim state.
Just sayin
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Other than making a political point, this ban serves no counter terrorism purpose.
On average, over the last decade (year on year) the number of Americans killed annually by Islamic terrorist immigrant attacks is two.
Far right extremist terrorist attacks, is five.
American's killed by armed toddlers, twenty one.
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 29 seconds ago
Kung fu just said Iraqi Muslims, not christian or Kurd I imagine, want to hurt America, and he says rightly so.
Wonder why Trump won, and vetting is in place.
Muslim mutters bring it on themselves.
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How many people from the 7 banned nations have been arrested in the US for terrorism related offences in the last 15-20 years?
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
It sounds like you like Trump though so I'm guessing you'll make up any old bullschit that might fit into your world view.
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Nah, while he will be better for Britain, I'm not fussed. I just don't think of him as the 2nd coming of Hitler like some
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Please explain why you believe Trump, a protectionist (American jobs, companies, interests etc first) will in any way be "better for Britain" ???
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Silly idea us wanting friendly set up wi America, innit.
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Not at all. As long as they share the same values. But as discussed on the brexit thread Trump is fundamentally opposed to free trade.
If by some miracle a deal is eventually struck, it will to readdress the UK's trade surplus with the US. Which is in the US interests but not the UK's.
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posted on 29/1/17
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 6 seconds ago
Where did you get the extended family from?
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Various sources. Washington Post, ABC, and I think the Huff. Few videos doing the rounds too.
posted on 29/1/17
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 1 minute ago
There have already been reports of exceptions being made though
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Let's be honest, this order is purely political. To appease the far right etc.
posted on 29/1/17
If you include Huffington post you might as well include breitbart and infowars
posted on 29/1/17
Well it is what people voted for
posted on 29/1/17
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 1 minute ago
If you include Huffington post you might as well include breitbart and infowars
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I did say various.
But you're right. This is what the US voted for. Although not a single American has been killed by terrorists originating from the banned countries.
posted on 29/1/17
So none have made threats? And no attacks have been planned and stopped?
posted on 29/1/17
To be honest, much as i think Trump is a complete bell i do think some of the over reactions to his early movements have been seriously over played.
If he wants to tighten security, which clearly does need doing, then at some point a short term block does have to be in place.
posted on 29/1/17
These measures have nothing to do with counter-terrorism. If they did, why has Trump left out many other predominantly Muslim countries??
Including some of the largest (Indonesia, and Pakistan, Saudi Arabia). The ban also fails to include some of the Muslim countries which have been biggest threat/source of terrorism: Again, Saudi Arabia. 15 of the 19, 9/11 hijackers were Saudi, and were Saudi financed.
And finally the ban appears to exclude all Muslim countries where Trump owns hotels or has business investments. Although it's difficult to be certain, as he refused to release his tax returns.
History will observe a Donald Trump led administration banned refugees from entering the US on Holocaust remembrance day.
posted on 29/1/17
comment by Whit’s fur ye’ll no go past ye (U11551)
posted 5 minutes ago
To be honest, much as i think Trump is a complete bell i do think some of the over reactions to his early movements have been seriously over played.
If he wants to tighten security, which clearly does need doing, then at some point a short term block does have to be in place.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is one of the more controversial ones so all the far left protestors have jumped on it.
It goes his difference from other politicians. Most would have simply put in an improved system which would have taken years to set up and not worked
posted on 29/1/17
Digby
From the Guardian.
"Pre-approved refugees, students and workers holding visas and residency green cards were barred from flights to the US, according to reports emerging from Amsterdam, Frankfurt and Cairo and other cities across Europe, the Middle East and Africa"
"In New York City, two Iraqi refugees were detained at JFK airport. One, Hameed Khalid Darweesh, had worked in Iraq for the US government for 10 years. The other, Haider Sameer Abdulkhaleq Alshawi, was coming to the US to join his wife who had worked for a US contractor".
An Iraqi national who'd been working for the US government in Iraq has been barred from re-entering the US. You couldn't make it up.
posted on 29/1/17
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 11 minutes ago
ahhh the Muslim ban is in place, it's a shame the countries he's pt on the ban list have never had a citizen who has attacked America.
Not only a c()nt but Trump is as thick as schit.
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So no one in Iraq, Iran or Syria wishes to attack the USA?
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You would think that if he was banning Muslims from countries that had made threats he would also ban people from countries who have actually ATTACKED America.
Logical? I f()cking think so!
He isn't doing that though because like most politicians he is a dishonest arshole. It seems like he is giving out free rim jobs to the Saudi royals and Israeli's the biggest criminals in the middle-east the biggest criminals in the middle-east. Both of who have citizens who have attacked America (9/11 and the USS Liberty)
Iraq a country in which America has killed millions in an illegal war is on the ban list. So not only have they slaughtered them in their millions with bombs and sanctions, mutilated their new borns by using uranium tipped missiles but America also wants to rub salt into their wounds by saying 'ok we totally decimated your country and we knows it's our fault but we're still not going to help'
Now then do I think people from these countries have made threats? No, and until America actually shows us proof that somebody has I'm not going to make assumptions.
It sounds like you like Trump though so I'm guessing you'll make up any old bullschit that might fit into your world view.
posted on 29/1/17
Now then do I think people from these countries have made threats? No, and until America actually shows us proof that somebody has I'm not going to make assumptions.
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Much as I understand your point regarding him ignoring some nations that clearly carry a threat you cannot suggest there is no evidence that Iraqis want to harm Americans can you? We have seen umpteen terror attacks in Iraq aimed at americans and Westerners as a whole.
posted on 29/1/17
comment by Whit’s fur ye’ll no go past ye (U11551)
posted 2 minutes ago
Now then do I think people from these countries have made threats? No, and until America actually shows us proof that somebody has I'm not going to make assumptions.
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Much as I understand your point regarding him ignoring some nations that clearly carry a threat you cannot suggest there is no evidence that Iraqis want to harm Americans can you? We have seen umpteen terror attacks in Iraq aimed at americans and Westerners as a whole.
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I'm sure their are Iraqi's who want to harm Americans in Iraq and why wouldn't they? What the Americans have done to the Iraqi's is criminal.
Have we heard of an Iraqi threatening to kill Americans on American soil? No we haven't, it's safer not to make assumptions because they can be used to rationalise bigoted views.
posted on 29/1/17
It sounds like you like Trump though so I'm guessing you'll make up any old bullschit that might fit into your world view.
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Nah, while he will be better for Britain, I'm not fussed. I just don't think of him as the 2nd coming of Hitler like some
posted on 29/1/17
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 7 hours, 1 minute ago
If you don't have a passport from those countries then it won't at all.
If you do and have a green card then they are making case by case exceptions
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Can someone confirm that last bit doesn't just mean "If you know the right people or have enough 0s on your back account"?
posted on 29/1/17
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
It sounds like you like Trump though so I'm guessing you'll make up any old bullschit that might fit into your world view.
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Nah, while he will be better for Britain, I'm not fussed. I just don't think of him as the 2nd coming of Hitler like some
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Please explain why you believe Trump, a protectionist (American jobs, companies, interests etc first) will in any way be "better for Britain" ???
posted on 29/1/17
comment by itsonlyagame (U6426)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 7 hours, 1 minute ago
If you don't have a passport from those countries then it won't at all.
If you do and have a green card then they are making case by case exceptions
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Can someone confirm that last bit doesn't just mean "If you know the right people or have enough 0s on your back account"?
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No not really. The only exceptions that have been confirmed are for those deemed to be in a religious minority, and therefore at risk of persecution, in the 7 named nations, ie Christians etc. The contradiction being Iraqi Muslims who assisted US troops during their occupation not being afforded the same exception, despite being persecuted for doing so.
posted on 29/1/17
As Muslim nations and islamists want America and Europe to stay out of their affairs, and I agree with this, as does Trump and May and Farage, it works both ways, surely?
Vetting occurred under Lovely Obama, and this is extreme vetting on a temp basis.
I am sure we can tweek this security measure, and calm the leftists and islamists down.
Next, we can INTERFER in telling Turkey, China, how to govern, as we all love telling America what to do.
Pity the feminists, left and liberals did not focus on the many mainly Muslim nations before, when they kill gay folk, stone women, butcher Christians and ban civil rights.
Much more trendy to hate America though..bless the social warrior first world problems, eh😉
posted on 29/1/17
Kung fu
This is not a Muslim ban.
Temp security vetting.
We should leave Muslim states alone, period, or do you think we should take millions in from Muslim lands, rather than letting Muslim people sort out the Saddam's, Assad's,Gadaffi?
What if the nut in charge of turkey wrecks the place....seventy million move west?
Why should Muslim people want to come to the UK or America, being Christian states?
I would never move to a sharia mainly Muslim state.
Just sayin
posted on 29/1/17
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 7 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Whit’s fur ye’ll no go past ye (U11551)
posted 2 minutes ago
Now then do I think people from these countries have made threats? No, and until America actually shows us proof that somebody has I'm not going to make assumptions.
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Much as I understand your point regarding him ignoring some nations that clearly carry a threat you cannot suggest there is no evidence that Iraqis want to harm Americans can you? We have seen umpteen terror attacks in Iraq aimed at americans and Westerners as a whole.
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I'm sure their are Iraqi's who want to harm Americans in Iraq and why wouldn't they? What the Americans have done to the Iraqi's is criminal.
Have we heard of an Iraqi threatening to kill Americans on American soil? No we haven't, it's safer not to make assumptions because they can be used to rationalise bigoted views.
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Wtf......Muslim mutters move west and hate us, try to convert, set up extremist sharia hate laws, demand separation between men and women in pools and schools, and push Christians out of their own towns in England.
Just as Christians have been cleansed in Muslim lands, now three million live in the UK, and are starting to create mini calyphates.
No ta chuck..it ends now.
posted on 29/1/17
Kung fu just said Iraqi Muslims, not christian or Kurd I imagine, want to hurt America, and he says rightly so.
Wonder why Trump won, and vetting is in place.
Muslim mutters bring it on themselves.
posted on 29/1/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
It sounds like you like Trump though so I'm guessing you'll make up any old bullschit that might fit into your world view.
-----------
Nah, while he will be better for Britain, I'm not fussed. I just don't think of him as the 2nd coming of Hitler like some
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Please explain why you believe Trump, a protectionist (American jobs, companies, interests etc first) will in any way be "better for Britain" ???
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Silly idea us wanting friendly set up wi America, innit.
posted on 29/1/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
Kung fu
This is not a Muslim ban.
Temp security vetting.
We should leave Muslim states alone, period, or do you think we should take millions in from Muslim lands, rather than letting Muslim people sort out the Saddam's, Assad's,Gadaffi?
What if the nut in charge of turkey wrecks the place....seventy million move west?
Why should Muslim people want to come to the UK or America, being Christian states?
I would never move to a sharia mainly Muslim state.
Just sayin
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Other than making a political point, this ban serves no counter terrorism purpose.
On average, over the last decade (year on year) the number of Americans killed annually by Islamic terrorist immigrant attacks is two.
Far right extremist terrorist attacks, is five.
American's killed by armed toddlers, twenty one.
posted on 29/1/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 29 seconds ago
Kung fu just said Iraqi Muslims, not christian or Kurd I imagine, want to hurt America, and he says rightly so.
Wonder why Trump won, and vetting is in place.
Muslim mutters bring it on themselves.
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How many people from the 7 banned nations have been arrested in the US for terrorism related offences in the last 15-20 years?
posted on 29/1/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
It sounds like you like Trump though so I'm guessing you'll make up any old bullschit that might fit into your world view.
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Nah, while he will be better for Britain, I'm not fussed. I just don't think of him as the 2nd coming of Hitler like some
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Please explain why you believe Trump, a protectionist (American jobs, companies, interests etc first) will in any way be "better for Britain" ???
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Silly idea us wanting friendly set up wi America, innit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not at all. As long as they share the same values. But as discussed on the brexit thread Trump is fundamentally opposed to free trade.
If by some miracle a deal is eventually struck, it will to readdress the UK's trade surplus with the US. Which is in the US interests but not the UK's.
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