comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
Kung fu
This is not a Muslim ban.
Temp security vetting.
We should leave Muslim states alone, period, or do you think we should take millions in from Muslim lands, rather than letting Muslim people sort out the Saddam's, Assad's,Gadaffi?
What if the nut in charge of turkey wrecks the place....seventy million move west?
Why should Muslim people want to come to the UK or America, being Christian states?
I would never move to a sharia mainly Muslim state.
Just sayin
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Other than making a political point, this ban serves no counter terrorism purpose.
On average, over the last decade (year on year) the number of Americans killed annually by Islamic terrorist immigrant attacks is two.
Far right extremist terrorist attacks, is five.
American's killed by armed toddlers, twenty one.
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Germany, France, Belgium were attacked though, and may have vetted better....now, le Pen and Afd are strong, and Europe is moving right, so refugee, homegrown and immigrant Muslim extremism is a problem.
America is stopping the problem starting, IMO.
Well done.
Muslim people need to fix Muslim problems, as we are not welcome there.....Kabul, Iraq, North Africa,Pakistan, Syria etc where Christians have been wiped out.
Read kung fu as a warning of extremist Muslims in the west.They do not like us and want to convert or at least get sharia and the Muslim caliphate mini scale in parts of the west.We let fundamentalist Islam walk freely preaching death to infidels in the UK for too long.
I have sadly concluded
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 29 seconds ago
Kung fu just said Iraqi Muslims, not christian or Kurd I imagine, want to hurt America, and he says rightly so.
Wonder why Trump won, and vetting is in place.
Muslim mutters bring it on themselves.
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How many people from the 7 banned nations have been arrested in the US for terrorism related offences in the last 15-20 years?
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How many Christians left in the Muslim world?
I am talking about the west, not obsessed by Trump America, like some haters😁
Three million Muslim folk in USA living under strict security may be why they do not behave as they do our n Iraq or Europe, on a lesser scale.
Times have changed.
No more Muslim extremism in the west.
TBAB
"How many Christians left in the Muslim world?"
You tell me?
"I am talking about the west, not obsessed by Trump America, like some haters😁
Three million Muslim folk in USA living under strict security may be why they do not behave as they do our n Iraq or Europe, on a lesser scale".
Living under strict security in the US? Are you sure? This is the same US riddled with gun crime and mass shootings.
"Times have changed.No more Muslim extremism in the west".
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
It sounds like you like Trump though so I'm guessing you'll make up any old bullschit that might fit into your world view.
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Nah, while he will be better for Britain, I'm not fussed. I just don't think of him as the 2nd coming of Hitler like some
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Please explain why you believe Trump, a protectionist (American jobs, companies, interests etc first) will in any way be "better for Britain" ???
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Silly idea us wanting friendly set up wi America, innit.
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Not at all. As long as they share the same values. But as discussed on the brexit thread Trump is fundamentally opposed to free trade.
If by some miracle a deal is eventually struck, it will to readdress the UK's trade surplus with the US. Which is in the US interests but not the UK's.
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Trump puts his nation first.....go figure.What a silly thing to do and nobody else does that, right.
On jobs and security, it just might work, but the Far left and Muslim nutjobs will always hate.They have the best nations???????????
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
Kung fu
This is not a Muslim ban.
Temp security vetting.
We should leave Muslim states alone, period, or do you think we should take millions in from Muslim lands, rather than letting Muslim people sort out the Saddam's, Assad's,Gadaffi?
What if the nut in charge of turkey wrecks the place....seventy million move west?
Why should Muslim people want to come to the UK or America, being Christian states?
I would never move to a sharia mainly Muslim state.
Just sayin
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Other than making a political point, this ban serves no counter terrorism purpose.
On average, over the last decade (year on year) the number of Americans killed annually by Islamic terrorist immigrant attacks is two.
Far right extremist terrorist attacks, is five.
American's killed by armed toddlers, twenty one.
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Germany, France, Belgium were attacked though, and may have vetted better....now, le Pen and Afd are strong, and Europe is moving right, so refugee, homegrown and immigrant Muslim extremism is a problem.
America is stopping the problem starting, IMO.
Well done.
Muslim people need to fix Muslim problems, as we are not welcome there.....Kabul, Iraq, North Africa,Pakistan, Syria etc where Christians have been wiped out.
Read kung fu as a warning of extremist Muslims in the west.They do not like us and want to convert or at least get sharia and the Muslim caliphate mini scale in parts of the west.We let fundamentalist Islam walk freely preaching death to infidels in the UK for too long.
I have sadly concluded
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Imagine that view was adopted here. History has shown that ostracising/victimising a particular group, only radicalises.
Daesh's modus operandi from the outset was for the west to isolate Muslim's. Of all backgrounds.
This is exactly what we're doing. Trump's actions will only exacerbate divisions and radicalise moderates. Daesh will be celebrating across the world today.
"Times have changed.No more Muslim extremism in the west".
By doing what? Stopping all Muslims heading West? Why not stop Muslim extremism by identifying those involved and stopping them travelling, and not by stopping Muslims on the whole from travelling?
It's like equating all Irish people as being IR4 back in the 70's,80's and 90's.
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
It sounds like you like Trump though so I'm guessing you'll make up any old bullschit that might fit into your world view.
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Nah, while he will be better for Britain, I'm not fussed. I just don't think of him as the 2nd coming of Hitler like some
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Please explain why you believe Trump, a protectionist (American jobs, companies, interests etc first) will in any way be "better for Britain" ???
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Silly idea us wanting friendly set up wi America, innit.
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Not at all. As long as they share the same values. But as discussed on the brexit thread Trump is fundamentally opposed to free trade.
If by some miracle a deal is eventually struck, it will to readdress the UK's trade surplus with the US. Which is in the US interests but not the UK's.
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Trump puts his nation first.....go figure.What a silly thing to do and nobody else does that, right.
On jobs and security, it just might work, but the Far left and Muslim nutjobs will always hate.They have the best nations???????????
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You (amongst many others) seem to misunderstand the fundamental premise of free trade. All bilateral trade agreements require the harmonisation of regulations and legislation between countries.
This in turn helps to remove trade barriers and tarriffs.
The rules of which are set out by the WTO.
Trump is against free trade as he disagrees with WTO arbitration requirements. Not because of negotiations delivering a "bad deal"
So when he says the US want a trade deal with the UK, he's right. But it won't be a bilateral free trade deal.
It will be a deal which disadvantages UK interests. As I mentioned previously, Trump will be long gone before trade negotiations begin anyway.
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
"Times have changed.No more Muslim extremism in the west".
By doing what? Stopping all Muslims heading West? Why not stop Muslim extremism by identifying those involved and stopping them travelling, and not by stopping Muslims on the whole from travelling?
It's like equating all Irish people as being IR4 back in the 70's,80's and 90's.
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comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
Kung fu
This is not a Muslim ban.
Temp security vetting.
We should leave Muslim states alone, period, or do you think we should take millions in from Muslim lands, rather than letting Muslim people sort out the Saddam's, Assad's,Gadaffi?
What if the nut in charge of turkey wrecks the place....seventy million move west?
Why should Muslim people want to come to the UK or America, being Christian states?
I would never move to a sharia mainly Muslim state.
Just sayin
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Other than making a political point, this ban serves no counter terrorism purpose.
On average, over the last decade (year on year) the number of Americans killed annually by Islamic terrorist immigrant attacks is two.
Far right extremist terrorist attacks, is five.
American's killed by armed toddlers, twenty one.
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Germany, France, Belgium were attacked though, and may have vetted better....now, le Pen and Afd are strong, and Europe is moving right, so refugee, homegrown and immigrant Muslim extremism is a problem.
America is stopping the problem starting, IMO.
Well done.
Muslim people need to fix Muslim problems, as we are not welcome there.....Kabul, Iraq, North Africa,Pakistan, Syria etc where Christians have been wiped out.
Read kung fu as a warning of extremist Muslims in the west.They do not like us and want to convert or at least get sharia and the Muslim caliphate mini scale in parts of the west.We let fundamentalist Islam walk freely preaching death to infidels in the UK for too long.
I have sadly concluded
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I have concluded that you are in need of history lessons.
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 9 seconds ago
TBAB
"How many Christians left in the Muslim world?"
You tell me?
"I am talking about the west, not obsessed by Trump America, like some haters😁
Three million Muslim folk in USA living under strict security may be why they do not behave as they do our n Iraq or Europe, on a lesser scale".
Living under strict security in the US? Are you sure? This is the same US riddled with gun crime and mass shootings.
"Times have changed.No more Muslim extremism in the west".
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Crime with guns too long in black Chicago, this year and last, where black lives matter have helped hate on police for racial reasons, thus ruining a city.
In contrast, New York and LA are.safer, so democrat Chicago or Obama HQ is an example of a Trump hating city going under.
I would favour tighter gun control.BTW.
However, like Zimbabwe, China and Pakistan, not really my business.Why do we feel it necessary to tell America what to do, even down to Trump holding hands, ffs.
There is a big nasty world out there folks....and it is worse than America.
Go fix Saudi Arabia, China, Africa and then come back to me.
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 9 minutes ago
TBAB
"How many Christians left in the Muslim world?"
You tell me?
"I am talking about the west, not obsessed by Trump America, like some haters😁
Three million Muslim folk in USA living under strict security may be why they do not behave as they do our n Iraq or Europe, on a lesser scale".
Living under strict security in the US? Are you sure? This is the same US riddled with gun crime and mass shootings.
"Times have changed.No more Muslim extremism in the west".
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Happy Feet.
Flippant response to the removal of Christians from Muslim world, yet you are all over a temp US vetting policy.....says it all about you and the like minded brigade.
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 8 minutes ago
"Times have changed.No more Muslim extremism in the west".
By doing what? Stopping all Muslims heading West? Why not stop Muslim extremism by identifying those involved and stopping them travelling, and not by stopping Muslims on the whole from travelling?
It's like equating all Irish people as being IR4 back in the 70's,80's and 90's.
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Do Muslim states want us involved in their affairs?
Do we need to just take millions of people in from Muslim lands....why not take millions of Christians in?
We are told to stay out of Iraq, so I agree, and Iraqis stay where you are, sort your country out , and we are all happy.
Harsh, but lessons have been learned.
Germany is divided, tense and is not a better place after one million mainly male migrants and refugees came in.
Voters will highlight this.
If Christianity is being removed from Muslim lands and Israel threatened with extinction, why the hell is it OK for millions of Muslims to move west, seriously warped thinking.
How often did we allow hate preaching outside mosques, before actual attacks, and then jihadis leaving for Isis.We were soooo liberal they walked all over us.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
"Times have changed.No more Muslim extremism in the west".
By doing what? Stopping all Muslims heading West? Why not stop Muslim extremism by identifying those involved and stopping them travelling, and not by stopping Muslims on the whole from travelling?
It's like equating all Irish people as being IR4 back in the 70's,80's and 90's.
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Identify Terrorists..like what you slate Trump for doing?
I am not saying ban all Muslims....neither is America.
The answer is not just saying, yea, move west, leave Syria, surely.
How many millions would you let in, BTW and why would you stop at one or five million?
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 9 minutes ago
TBAB
"How many Christians left in the Muslim world?"
You tell me?
"I am talking about the west, not obsessed by Trump America, like some haters😁
Three million Muslim folk in USA living under strict security may be why they do not behave as they do our n Iraq or Europe, on a lesser scale".
Living under strict security in the US? Are you sure? This is the same US riddled with gun crime and mass shootings.
"Times have changed.No more Muslim extremism in the west".
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Happy Feet.
Flippant response to the removal of Christians from Muslim world, yet you are all over a temp US vetting policy.....says it all about you and the like minded brigade.
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Erm no. I asked you to tell me. Give us some actual information instead of Daily Mail type rants. The thing about being a 'liberal' is being against oppression isn't exclusive to one thing. I have said that the acts of Al Qaeda and ISIS are barbaric, wrong and should be punished. Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddists and Atheists being persecuted the world over is abhorrent.
But it's about having the sense of mind not to generalise. Muslims are not defined by the extremist elements within their religion (ISIS & formerly Al Qaeda) as much as Christians are not defined by the extremist elements within their religion (KKK, Westboro baptists, Andrei Brevik et al). The minority within each does not justify stigmatising and punishing the majority.
"The answer is not just saying, yea, move west, leave Syria, surely.
How many millions would you let in, BTW and why would you stop at one or five million?"
The amount of Syrians who have emigrated to the US before this ban came in is no-where near a figure of millions. Seriously do some reading or something.
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 18 minutes ago
"Times have changed.No more Muslim extremism in the west".
By doing what? Stopping all Muslims heading West? Why not stop Muslim extremism by identifying those involved and stopping them travelling, and not by stopping Muslims on the whole from travelling?
It's like equating all Irish people as being IR4 back in the 70's,80's and 90's.
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Sinn fein/ira are and were massively supported and marched in London, Glasgow and Brum whilst bombing, like here n Belfast.
British tolerance can be exploited, as we see with Islamic hate preachers, and those wanting sharia law and separate rules for musk ms in the UK.
Not talking about all Muslims, but I think America is being cautious, as Isis use refugees and migration to move cells.
As mass movement immigration partially led to brexit and populism n Europe, does more mass people movement make sense.
A French family took in a Muslim teenage boy near Calais, and he started dictating to the family how the girls dressed,etc, in the host family, ffs.
Fekin cheek😬
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 9 minutes ago
TBAB
"How many Christians left in the Muslim world?"
You tell me?
"I am talking about the west, not obsessed by Trump America, like some haters😁
Three million Muslim folk in USA living under strict security may be why they do not behave as they do our n Iraq or Europe, on a lesser scale".
Living under strict security in the US? Are you sure? This is the same US riddled with gun crime and mass shootings.
"Times have changed.No more Muslim extremism in the west".
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Happy Feet.
Flippant response to the removal of Christians from Muslim world, yet you are all over a temp US vetting policy.....says it all about you and the like minded brigade.
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Erm no. I asked you to tell me. Give us some actual information instead of Daily Mail type rants. The thing about being a 'liberal' is being against oppression isn't exclusive to one thing. I have said that the acts of Al Qaeda and ISIS are barbaric, wrong and should be punished. Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddists and Atheists being persecuted the world over is abhorrent.
But it's about having the sense of mind not to generalise. Muslims are not defined by the extremist elements within their religion (ISIS & formerly Al Qaeda) as much as Christians are not defined by the extremist elements within their religion (KKK, Westboro baptists, Andrei Brevik et al). The minority within each does not justify stigmatising and punishing the majority.
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Hahaha..what, you cannot find INFO on the ethnic cleansing of Christians in Muslim nations, in 2017...google Of nce Charles as he wrote about Christian's plight yesterday.Do your own research too ya lazy hypocrite.
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
"Times have changed.No more Muslim extremism in the west".
By doing what? Stopping all Muslims heading West? Why not stop Muslim extremism by identifying those involved and stopping them travelling, and not by stopping Muslims on the whole from travelling?
It's like equating all Irish people as being IR4 back in the 70's,80's and 90's.
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Identify Terrorists..like what you slate Trump for doing?
I am not saying ban all Muslims....neither is America.
The answer is not just saying, yea, move west, leave Syria, surely.
How many millions would you let in, BTW and why would you stop at one or five million?
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Syrian refugees pose no threat to US national security. Yet Trump has signed an executive order banning them indefinitely from entering the US.
Even those who went through the extreme 14 point vetting procedures and subsequently obtained a green card, have been refused entry to the US.
Americans (including war vets) holding dual passports who returned yesterday from trips abroad, also refused entry.
Sir Mo Farrah lives in Orrigan. Due to his dual citizenship he can no longer leave the US to compete in international competition.
TBAB
"There have been zero fatal terror attacks on U.S. soil since 1975 by immigrants from the seven Muslim-majority countries President Donald Trump targeted with immigration bans on Friday, further highlighting the needlessness and cruelty of the president’s executive order.
Between 1975 and 2015, foreign nationals from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen killed exactly zero Americans on U.S. soil, according to an analysis of terror attacks by the Cato Institute"
"The threat of Muslim American involvement in violent extremism is greatly inflated, Kurzman wrote, and violence by Muslim Americans represents an incredibly small fraction of overall violence in this country.
Kurzman told The Huffington Post he defined “Muslim Americans” in his report as people who had lived in the U.S. at least a year before radicalization. There were 46 such Muslim Americans associated with violent extremism in 2016, according to the report, a 40 percent drop from the year before.
Of those 46 people, Kurzman said, 26 were U.S. citizens, six were of unknown nationality and the rest were immigrants, only one of whom was undocumented.
The extremism of nearly half of those 46 Muslim Americans entailed them traveling or attempting to travel to join militant groups in the Middle East.
Twenty-three were involved or allegedly involved in plots against U.S. targets, resulting in 54 deaths. (Forty-nine of those deaths occurred when 29-year-old Omar Mateen opened fire in a Florida nightclub in June.)
According to the report, that brings the total number of U.S. deaths caused by Muslim American extremists since 9/11 to 123"
123 deaths at the hands of extremists in 16 years.
"David Schanzer, director at the Triangle Center, said in a statement that “it is flatly untrue that America is deeply threatened by violent extremism by Muslim-Americans; attacks by Muslims accounted for only one third of one percent of all murders in America last year.”
Moreover, according to the State Department, of the nearly 800,000 refugees who have come to the U.S. since 9/11, fewer than 20 have been arrested on terrorism charges"
You really think this justifies banning 7 predominantly Muslim countries from gaining visas and applying for refuge in the US.
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 9 minutes ago
TBAB
"How many Christians left in the Muslim world?"
You tell me?
"I am talking about the west, not obsessed by Trump America, like some haters😁
Three million Muslim folk in USA living under strict security may be why they do not behave as they do our n Iraq or Europe, on a lesser scale".
Living under strict security in the US? Are you sure? This is the same US riddled with gun crime and mass shootings.
"Times have changed.No more Muslim extremism in the west".
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Happy Feet.
Flippant response to the removal of Christians from Muslim world, yet you are all over a temp US vetting policy.....says it all about you and the like minded brigade.
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Erm no. I asked you to tell me. Give us some actual information instead of Daily Mail type rants. The thing about being a 'liberal' is being against oppression isn't exclusive to one thing. I have said that the acts of Al Qaeda and ISIS are barbaric, wrong and should be punished. Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddists and Atheists being persecuted the world over is abhorrent.
But it's about having the sense of mind not to generalise. Muslims are not defined by the extremist elements within their religion (ISIS & formerly Al Qaeda) as much as Christians are not defined by the extremist elements within their religion (KKK, Westboro baptists, Andrei Brevik et al). The minority within each does not justify stigmatising and punishing the majority.
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Yes, but you define America and generalize, or dismiss oppression of faith groups, who are not Muslim..why so?
I am not attacking all Muslims, and you are trying to play that dullard leftist card, boringly.
i Do not slate Allah, or burn the qoran, or hate head scarves or abuse Muslims people.
I refer to those distorting Islam....in the daesh Muslim killing machine, where shia Muslims are enemy number uno.
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
"The answer is not just saying, yea, move west, leave Syria, surely.
How many millions would you let in, BTW and why would you stop at one or five million?"
The amount of Syrians who have emigrated to the US before this ban came in is no-where near a figure of millions. Seriously do some reading or something.
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Are you thick, or just political blinkered?
At no point did I say millions move to America, but one million moved to Germany..you know this, but try to spin my words.
My query is, how many million would you say Europe, UK or USA should take?
Why stop at a given figure?
"Do your own research too ya lazy hypocrite"
Excuse me. I've provided information to back my argument up. You seem to only be able to talk in rhetoric.
"Yes, but you define America and generalize, or dismiss oppression of faith groups, who are not Muslim..why so?"
When have I done either?
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
"Times have changed.No more Muslim extremism in the west".
By doing what? Stopping all Muslims heading West? Why not stop Muslim extremism by identifying those involved and stopping them travelling, and not by stopping Muslims on the whole from travelling?
It's like equating all Irish people as being IR4 back in the 70's,80's and 90's.
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Identify Terrorists..like what you slate Trump for doing?
I am not saying ban all Muslims....neither is America.
The answer is not just saying, yea, move west, leave Syria, surely.
How many millions would you let in, BTW and why would you stop at one or five million?
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Syrian refugees pose no threat to US national security. Yet Trump has signed an executive order banning them indefinitely from entering the US.
Even those who went through the extreme 14 point vetting procedures and subsequently obtained a green card, have been refused entry to the US.
Americans (including war vets) holding dual passports who returned yesterday from trips abroad, also refused entry.
Sir Mo Farrah lives in Orrigan. Due to his dual citizenship he can no longer leave the US to compete in international competition.
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Any thoughts on the removal of Christians from Muslim lands, or just USA obsessed, and put cking up the No Farah line from the A nday papers or buzzfeed?
Temp vetting of potential terrorists......or genocide of a faith group.Go on, go for it.
Show me how liberal democrats care about rights of the oppressed....not Just in America.
What has America done to you snowflakes, BTW?
Literally foaming with hate about one bloke, ffs.
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
"Yes, but you define America and generalize, or dismiss oppression of faith groups, who are not Muslim..why so?"
When have I done either?
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Read back.
The fact you appear ignorant of christian suffering in Muslim lands speaks volumes.
How many million refugees and immigrants should we take in....not answered yet?
Is vetting potential terrorists a bad plan?
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posted on 29/1/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
Kung fu
This is not a Muslim ban.
Temp security vetting.
We should leave Muslim states alone, period, or do you think we should take millions in from Muslim lands, rather than letting Muslim people sort out the Saddam's, Assad's,Gadaffi?
What if the nut in charge of turkey wrecks the place....seventy million move west?
Why should Muslim people want to come to the UK or America, being Christian states?
I would never move to a sharia mainly Muslim state.
Just sayin
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Other than making a political point, this ban serves no counter terrorism purpose.
On average, over the last decade (year on year) the number of Americans killed annually by Islamic terrorist immigrant attacks is two.
Far right extremist terrorist attacks, is five.
American's killed by armed toddlers, twenty one.
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Germany, France, Belgium were attacked though, and may have vetted better....now, le Pen and Afd are strong, and Europe is moving right, so refugee, homegrown and immigrant Muslim extremism is a problem.
America is stopping the problem starting, IMO.
Well done.
Muslim people need to fix Muslim problems, as we are not welcome there.....Kabul, Iraq, North Africa,Pakistan, Syria etc where Christians have been wiped out.
Read kung fu as a warning of extremist Muslims in the west.They do not like us and want to convert or at least get sharia and the Muslim caliphate mini scale in parts of the west.We let fundamentalist Islam walk freely preaching death to infidels in the UK for too long.
I have sadly concluded
posted on 29/1/17
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 29 seconds ago
Kung fu just said Iraqi Muslims, not christian or Kurd I imagine, want to hurt America, and he says rightly so.
Wonder why Trump won, and vetting is in place.
Muslim mutters bring it on themselves.
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How many people from the 7 banned nations have been arrested in the US for terrorism related offences in the last 15-20 years?
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How many Christians left in the Muslim world?
I am talking about the west, not obsessed by Trump America, like some haters😁
Three million Muslim folk in USA living under strict security may be why they do not behave as they do our n Iraq or Europe, on a lesser scale.
Times have changed.
No more Muslim extremism in the west.
posted on 29/1/17
TBAB
"How many Christians left in the Muslim world?"
You tell me?
"I am talking about the west, not obsessed by Trump America, like some haters😁
Three million Muslim folk in USA living under strict security may be why they do not behave as they do our n Iraq or Europe, on a lesser scale".
Living under strict security in the US? Are you sure? This is the same US riddled with gun crime and mass shootings.
"Times have changed.No more Muslim extremism in the west".
posted on 29/1/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
It sounds like you like Trump though so I'm guessing you'll make up any old bullschit that might fit into your world view.
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Nah, while he will be better for Britain, I'm not fussed. I just don't think of him as the 2nd coming of Hitler like some
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Please explain why you believe Trump, a protectionist (American jobs, companies, interests etc first) will in any way be "better for Britain" ???
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Silly idea us wanting friendly set up wi America, innit.
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Not at all. As long as they share the same values. But as discussed on the brexit thread Trump is fundamentally opposed to free trade.
If by some miracle a deal is eventually struck, it will to readdress the UK's trade surplus with the US. Which is in the US interests but not the UK's.
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Trump puts his nation first.....go figure.What a silly thing to do and nobody else does that, right.
On jobs and security, it just might work, but the Far left and Muslim nutjobs will always hate.They have the best nations???????????
posted on 29/1/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
Kung fu
This is not a Muslim ban.
Temp security vetting.
We should leave Muslim states alone, period, or do you think we should take millions in from Muslim lands, rather than letting Muslim people sort out the Saddam's, Assad's,Gadaffi?
What if the nut in charge of turkey wrecks the place....seventy million move west?
Why should Muslim people want to come to the UK or America, being Christian states?
I would never move to a sharia mainly Muslim state.
Just sayin
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Other than making a political point, this ban serves no counter terrorism purpose.
On average, over the last decade (year on year) the number of Americans killed annually by Islamic terrorist immigrant attacks is two.
Far right extremist terrorist attacks, is five.
American's killed by armed toddlers, twenty one.
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Germany, France, Belgium were attacked though, and may have vetted better....now, le Pen and Afd are strong, and Europe is moving right, so refugee, homegrown and immigrant Muslim extremism is a problem.
America is stopping the problem starting, IMO.
Well done.
Muslim people need to fix Muslim problems, as we are not welcome there.....Kabul, Iraq, North Africa,Pakistan, Syria etc where Christians have been wiped out.
Read kung fu as a warning of extremist Muslims in the west.They do not like us and want to convert or at least get sharia and the Muslim caliphate mini scale in parts of the west.We let fundamentalist Islam walk freely preaching death to infidels in the UK for too long.
I have sadly concluded
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Imagine that view was adopted here. History has shown that ostracising/victimising a particular group, only radicalises.
Daesh's modus operandi from the outset was for the west to isolate Muslim's. Of all backgrounds.
This is exactly what we're doing. Trump's actions will only exacerbate divisions and radicalise moderates. Daesh will be celebrating across the world today.
posted on 29/1/17
"Times have changed.No more Muslim extremism in the west".
By doing what? Stopping all Muslims heading West? Why not stop Muslim extremism by identifying those involved and stopping them travelling, and not by stopping Muslims on the whole from travelling?
It's like equating all Irish people as being IR4 back in the 70's,80's and 90's.
posted on 29/1/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
It sounds like you like Trump though so I'm guessing you'll make up any old bullschit that might fit into your world view.
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Nah, while he will be better for Britain, I'm not fussed. I just don't think of him as the 2nd coming of Hitler like some
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Please explain why you believe Trump, a protectionist (American jobs, companies, interests etc first) will in any way be "better for Britain" ???
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Silly idea us wanting friendly set up wi America, innit.
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Not at all. As long as they share the same values. But as discussed on the brexit thread Trump is fundamentally opposed to free trade.
If by some miracle a deal is eventually struck, it will to readdress the UK's trade surplus with the US. Which is in the US interests but not the UK's.
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Trump puts his nation first.....go figure.What a silly thing to do and nobody else does that, right.
On jobs and security, it just might work, but the Far left and Muslim nutjobs will always hate.They have the best nations???????????
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You (amongst many others) seem to misunderstand the fundamental premise of free trade. All bilateral trade agreements require the harmonisation of regulations and legislation between countries.
This in turn helps to remove trade barriers and tarriffs.
The rules of which are set out by the WTO.
Trump is against free trade as he disagrees with WTO arbitration requirements. Not because of negotiations delivering a "bad deal"
So when he says the US want a trade deal with the UK, he's right. But it won't be a bilateral free trade deal.
It will be a deal which disadvantages UK interests. As I mentioned previously, Trump will be long gone before trade negotiations begin anyway.
posted on 29/1/17
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
"Times have changed.No more Muslim extremism in the west".
By doing what? Stopping all Muslims heading West? Why not stop Muslim extremism by identifying those involved and stopping them travelling, and not by stopping Muslims on the whole from travelling?
It's like equating all Irish people as being IR4 back in the 70's,80's and 90's.
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posted on 29/1/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
Kung fu
This is not a Muslim ban.
Temp security vetting.
We should leave Muslim states alone, period, or do you think we should take millions in from Muslim lands, rather than letting Muslim people sort out the Saddam's, Assad's,Gadaffi?
What if the nut in charge of turkey wrecks the place....seventy million move west?
Why should Muslim people want to come to the UK or America, being Christian states?
I would never move to a sharia mainly Muslim state.
Just sayin
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Other than making a political point, this ban serves no counter terrorism purpose.
On average, over the last decade (year on year) the number of Americans killed annually by Islamic terrorist immigrant attacks is two.
Far right extremist terrorist attacks, is five.
American's killed by armed toddlers, twenty one.
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Germany, France, Belgium were attacked though, and may have vetted better....now, le Pen and Afd are strong, and Europe is moving right, so refugee, homegrown and immigrant Muslim extremism is a problem.
America is stopping the problem starting, IMO.
Well done.
Muslim people need to fix Muslim problems, as we are not welcome there.....Kabul, Iraq, North Africa,Pakistan, Syria etc where Christians have been wiped out.
Read kung fu as a warning of extremist Muslims in the west.They do not like us and want to convert or at least get sharia and the Muslim caliphate mini scale in parts of the west.We let fundamentalist Islam walk freely preaching death to infidels in the UK for too long.
I have sadly concluded
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I have concluded that you are in need of history lessons.
posted on 29/1/17
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 9 seconds ago
TBAB
"How many Christians left in the Muslim world?"
You tell me?
"I am talking about the west, not obsessed by Trump America, like some haters😁
Three million Muslim folk in USA living under strict security may be why they do not behave as they do our n Iraq or Europe, on a lesser scale".
Living under strict security in the US? Are you sure? This is the same US riddled with gun crime and mass shootings.
"Times have changed.No more Muslim extremism in the west".
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Crime with guns too long in black Chicago, this year and last, where black lives matter have helped hate on police for racial reasons, thus ruining a city.
In contrast, New York and LA are.safer, so democrat Chicago or Obama HQ is an example of a Trump hating city going under.
I would favour tighter gun control.BTW.
However, like Zimbabwe, China and Pakistan, not really my business.Why do we feel it necessary to tell America what to do, even down to Trump holding hands, ffs.
There is a big nasty world out there folks....and it is worse than America.
Go fix Saudi Arabia, China, Africa and then come back to me.
posted on 29/1/17
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 9 minutes ago
TBAB
"How many Christians left in the Muslim world?"
You tell me?
"I am talking about the west, not obsessed by Trump America, like some haters😁
Three million Muslim folk in USA living under strict security may be why they do not behave as they do our n Iraq or Europe, on a lesser scale".
Living under strict security in the US? Are you sure? This is the same US riddled with gun crime and mass shootings.
"Times have changed.No more Muslim extremism in the west".
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Happy Feet.
Flippant response to the removal of Christians from Muslim world, yet you are all over a temp US vetting policy.....says it all about you and the like minded brigade.
posted on 29/1/17
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 8 minutes ago
"Times have changed.No more Muslim extremism in the west".
By doing what? Stopping all Muslims heading West? Why not stop Muslim extremism by identifying those involved and stopping them travelling, and not by stopping Muslims on the whole from travelling?
It's like equating all Irish people as being IR4 back in the 70's,80's and 90's.
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Do Muslim states want us involved in their affairs?
Do we need to just take millions of people in from Muslim lands....why not take millions of Christians in?
We are told to stay out of Iraq, so I agree, and Iraqis stay where you are, sort your country out , and we are all happy.
Harsh, but lessons have been learned.
Germany is divided, tense and is not a better place after one million mainly male migrants and refugees came in.
Voters will highlight this.
If Christianity is being removed from Muslim lands and Israel threatened with extinction, why the hell is it OK for millions of Muslims to move west, seriously warped thinking.
How often did we allow hate preaching outside mosques, before actual attacks, and then jihadis leaving for Isis.We were soooo liberal they walked all over us.
posted on 29/1/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
"Times have changed.No more Muslim extremism in the west".
By doing what? Stopping all Muslims heading West? Why not stop Muslim extremism by identifying those involved and stopping them travelling, and not by stopping Muslims on the whole from travelling?
It's like equating all Irish people as being IR4 back in the 70's,80's and 90's.
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Identify Terrorists..like what you slate Trump for doing?
I am not saying ban all Muslims....neither is America.
The answer is not just saying, yea, move west, leave Syria, surely.
How many millions would you let in, BTW and why would you stop at one or five million?
posted on 29/1/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 9 minutes ago
TBAB
"How many Christians left in the Muslim world?"
You tell me?
"I am talking about the west, not obsessed by Trump America, like some haters😁
Three million Muslim folk in USA living under strict security may be why they do not behave as they do our n Iraq or Europe, on a lesser scale".
Living under strict security in the US? Are you sure? This is the same US riddled with gun crime and mass shootings.
"Times have changed.No more Muslim extremism in the west".
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Happy Feet.
Flippant response to the removal of Christians from Muslim world, yet you are all over a temp US vetting policy.....says it all about you and the like minded brigade.
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Erm no. I asked you to tell me. Give us some actual information instead of Daily Mail type rants. The thing about being a 'liberal' is being against oppression isn't exclusive to one thing. I have said that the acts of Al Qaeda and ISIS are barbaric, wrong and should be punished. Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddists and Atheists being persecuted the world over is abhorrent.
But it's about having the sense of mind not to generalise. Muslims are not defined by the extremist elements within their religion (ISIS & formerly Al Qaeda) as much as Christians are not defined by the extremist elements within their religion (KKK, Westboro baptists, Andrei Brevik et al). The minority within each does not justify stigmatising and punishing the majority.
posted on 29/1/17
"The answer is not just saying, yea, move west, leave Syria, surely.
How many millions would you let in, BTW and why would you stop at one or five million?"
The amount of Syrians who have emigrated to the US before this ban came in is no-where near a figure of millions. Seriously do some reading or something.
posted on 29/1/17
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 18 minutes ago
"Times have changed.No more Muslim extremism in the west".
By doing what? Stopping all Muslims heading West? Why not stop Muslim extremism by identifying those involved and stopping them travelling, and not by stopping Muslims on the whole from travelling?
It's like equating all Irish people as being IR4 back in the 70's,80's and 90's.
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Sinn fein/ira are and were massively supported and marched in London, Glasgow and Brum whilst bombing, like here n Belfast.
British tolerance can be exploited, as we see with Islamic hate preachers, and those wanting sharia law and separate rules for musk ms in the UK.
Not talking about all Muslims, but I think America is being cautious, as Isis use refugees and migration to move cells.
As mass movement immigration partially led to brexit and populism n Europe, does more mass people movement make sense.
A French family took in a Muslim teenage boy near Calais, and he started dictating to the family how the girls dressed,etc, in the host family, ffs.
Fekin cheek😬
posted on 29/1/17
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 9 minutes ago
TBAB
"How many Christians left in the Muslim world?"
You tell me?
"I am talking about the west, not obsessed by Trump America, like some haters😁
Three million Muslim folk in USA living under strict security may be why they do not behave as they do our n Iraq or Europe, on a lesser scale".
Living under strict security in the US? Are you sure? This is the same US riddled with gun crime and mass shootings.
"Times have changed.No more Muslim extremism in the west".
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Happy Feet.
Flippant response to the removal of Christians from Muslim world, yet you are all over a temp US vetting policy.....says it all about you and the like minded brigade.
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Erm no. I asked you to tell me. Give us some actual information instead of Daily Mail type rants. The thing about being a 'liberal' is being against oppression isn't exclusive to one thing. I have said that the acts of Al Qaeda and ISIS are barbaric, wrong and should be punished. Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddists and Atheists being persecuted the world over is abhorrent.
But it's about having the sense of mind not to generalise. Muslims are not defined by the extremist elements within their religion (ISIS & formerly Al Qaeda) as much as Christians are not defined by the extremist elements within their religion (KKK, Westboro baptists, Andrei Brevik et al). The minority within each does not justify stigmatising and punishing the majority.
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Hahaha..what, you cannot find INFO on the ethnic cleansing of Christians in Muslim nations, in 2017...google Of nce Charles as he wrote about Christian's plight yesterday.Do your own research too ya lazy hypocrite.
posted on 29/1/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
"Times have changed.No more Muslim extremism in the west".
By doing what? Stopping all Muslims heading West? Why not stop Muslim extremism by identifying those involved and stopping them travelling, and not by stopping Muslims on the whole from travelling?
It's like equating all Irish people as being IR4 back in the 70's,80's and 90's.
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Identify Terrorists..like what you slate Trump for doing?
I am not saying ban all Muslims....neither is America.
The answer is not just saying, yea, move west, leave Syria, surely.
How many millions would you let in, BTW and why would you stop at one or five million?
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Syrian refugees pose no threat to US national security. Yet Trump has signed an executive order banning them indefinitely from entering the US.
Even those who went through the extreme 14 point vetting procedures and subsequently obtained a green card, have been refused entry to the US.
Americans (including war vets) holding dual passports who returned yesterday from trips abroad, also refused entry.
Sir Mo Farrah lives in Orrigan. Due to his dual citizenship he can no longer leave the US to compete in international competition.
posted on 29/1/17
TBAB
"There have been zero fatal terror attacks on U.S. soil since 1975 by immigrants from the seven Muslim-majority countries President Donald Trump targeted with immigration bans on Friday, further highlighting the needlessness and cruelty of the president’s executive order.
Between 1975 and 2015, foreign nationals from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen killed exactly zero Americans on U.S. soil, according to an analysis of terror attacks by the Cato Institute"
"The threat of Muslim American involvement in violent extremism is greatly inflated, Kurzman wrote, and violence by Muslim Americans represents an incredibly small fraction of overall violence in this country.
Kurzman told The Huffington Post he defined “Muslim Americans” in his report as people who had lived in the U.S. at least a year before radicalization. There were 46 such Muslim Americans associated with violent extremism in 2016, according to the report, a 40 percent drop from the year before.
Of those 46 people, Kurzman said, 26 were U.S. citizens, six were of unknown nationality and the rest were immigrants, only one of whom was undocumented.
The extremism of nearly half of those 46 Muslim Americans entailed them traveling or attempting to travel to join militant groups in the Middle East.
Twenty-three were involved or allegedly involved in plots against U.S. targets, resulting in 54 deaths. (Forty-nine of those deaths occurred when 29-year-old Omar Mateen opened fire in a Florida nightclub in June.)
According to the report, that brings the total number of U.S. deaths caused by Muslim American extremists since 9/11 to 123"
123 deaths at the hands of extremists in 16 years.
"David Schanzer, director at the Triangle Center, said in a statement that “it is flatly untrue that America is deeply threatened by violent extremism by Muslim-Americans; attacks by Muslims accounted for only one third of one percent of all murders in America last year.”
Moreover, according to the State Department, of the nearly 800,000 refugees who have come to the U.S. since 9/11, fewer than 20 have been arrested on terrorism charges"
You really think this justifies banning 7 predominantly Muslim countries from gaining visas and applying for refuge in the US.
posted on 29/1/17
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 9 minutes ago
TBAB
"How many Christians left in the Muslim world?"
You tell me?
"I am talking about the west, not obsessed by Trump America, like some haters😁
Three million Muslim folk in USA living under strict security may be why they do not behave as they do our n Iraq or Europe, on a lesser scale".
Living under strict security in the US? Are you sure? This is the same US riddled with gun crime and mass shootings.
"Times have changed.No more Muslim extremism in the west".
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Happy Feet.
Flippant response to the removal of Christians from Muslim world, yet you are all over a temp US vetting policy.....says it all about you and the like minded brigade.
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Erm no. I asked you to tell me. Give us some actual information instead of Daily Mail type rants. The thing about being a 'liberal' is being against oppression isn't exclusive to one thing. I have said that the acts of Al Qaeda and ISIS are barbaric, wrong and should be punished. Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddists and Atheists being persecuted the world over is abhorrent.
But it's about having the sense of mind not to generalise. Muslims are not defined by the extremist elements within their religion (ISIS & formerly Al Qaeda) as much as Christians are not defined by the extremist elements within their religion (KKK, Westboro baptists, Andrei Brevik et al). The minority within each does not justify stigmatising and punishing the majority.
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Yes, but you define America and generalize, or dismiss oppression of faith groups, who are not Muslim..why so?
I am not attacking all Muslims, and you are trying to play that dullard leftist card, boringly.
i Do not slate Allah, or burn the qoran, or hate head scarves or abuse Muslims people.
I refer to those distorting Islam....in the daesh Muslim killing machine, where shia Muslims are enemy number uno.
posted on 29/1/17
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 11 minutes ago
"The answer is not just saying, yea, move west, leave Syria, surely.
How many millions would you let in, BTW and why would you stop at one or five million?"
The amount of Syrians who have emigrated to the US before this ban came in is no-where near a figure of millions. Seriously do some reading or something.
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Are you thick, or just political blinkered?
At no point did I say millions move to America, but one million moved to Germany..you know this, but try to spin my words.
My query is, how many million would you say Europe, UK or USA should take?
Why stop at a given figure?
posted on 29/1/17
"Do your own research too ya lazy hypocrite"
Excuse me. I've provided information to back my argument up. You seem to only be able to talk in rhetoric.
posted on 29/1/17
"Yes, but you define America and generalize, or dismiss oppression of faith groups, who are not Muslim..why so?"
When have I done either?
posted on 29/1/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
"Times have changed.No more Muslim extremism in the west".
By doing what? Stopping all Muslims heading West? Why not stop Muslim extremism by identifying those involved and stopping them travelling, and not by stopping Muslims on the whole from travelling?
It's like equating all Irish people as being IR4 back in the 70's,80's and 90's.
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Identify Terrorists..like what you slate Trump for doing?
I am not saying ban all Muslims....neither is America.
The answer is not just saying, yea, move west, leave Syria, surely.
How many millions would you let in, BTW and why would you stop at one or five million?
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Syrian refugees pose no threat to US national security. Yet Trump has signed an executive order banning them indefinitely from entering the US.
Even those who went through the extreme 14 point vetting procedures and subsequently obtained a green card, have been refused entry to the US.
Americans (including war vets) holding dual passports who returned yesterday from trips abroad, also refused entry.
Sir Mo Farrah lives in Orrigan. Due to his dual citizenship he can no longer leave the US to compete in international competition.
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Any thoughts on the removal of Christians from Muslim lands, or just USA obsessed, and put cking up the No Farah line from the A nday papers or buzzfeed?
Temp vetting of potential terrorists......or genocide of a faith group.Go on, go for it.
Show me how liberal democrats care about rights of the oppressed....not Just in America.
What has America done to you snowflakes, BTW?
Literally foaming with hate about one bloke, ffs.
posted on 29/1/17
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
"Yes, but you define America and generalize, or dismiss oppression of faith groups, who are not Muslim..why so?"
When have I done either?
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Read back.
The fact you appear ignorant of christian suffering in Muslim lands speaks volumes.
How many million refugees and immigrants should we take in....not answered yet?
Is vetting potential terrorists a bad plan?
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