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Looks like Russia might be struggling with its military objectives, and have been unexpected by the scale of the Ukrainian resistance.
May well be disinformation, as right now a lot of unreliable information is flying around.
It will be good if true though
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I didn't want to post it earlier as I thought it might be wishful thinking, but I was thinking this too.
Now to get people's backs up... we need to give Putin a face saving solution... no, no, no, I'm not on Putin's side, I don't think he is right in invading, but he ain't going to go without something.
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Disagree entirely.
He needs putting back in his box, unceremoniously. There should be no compromise now.
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Agree with this, or in a few years he will be at it again.
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Tried that after WW1, it didn't work. WW2 a different approach was given and it worked.
Any deal works best when both parties feel they gained at the table.
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After WWII worked?
The Cold War
Cuba Crisis
Current European disintegration and complete lack of solidarity with countries like Switzerland, Germany, Italy and India all self serving and frightened of a financial hit.
We could go on and on about the many conflicts.
I’m disgusted that we are so lily livered in sanctions and not putting significant armed forces all along NATO borders whilst arming the Ukraine to the teeth and “training” their military on an ongoing basis.
A lunatic like Putin knows his time is coming to an end and just wants to go down in history. It’s not his country. He should not be allowed to march into it and issue dire warnings of retaliation the likes of which we’ve never seen should we try and help a country in distress.
Fwcking pathetic.
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current situation is the Cuban Missile crisis in reverse
this explains everything Putin is doing
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Well here’s hoping it falls apart in similar fashion.
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Clear tonight that US and UK have led the (largely failed) attempt to go for the harshest measures against Russia but the EU rejected SWIFT proposal — contrary to uninformed twitter commentary from blue tick FBPE throughout the week. Something to remember.
^ Literally two days ago some of you were waanking over EU measures and hammering UK
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Literally two days ago they had harsher measures than us.
Now it's not too dismiliar, and I was going to post on here earlier how feckin stupid it was of the EU to block it, but I decided I should do some research on it first, and their hesitancy makes sense.
Also the US are against blocking swift because it will challenge the supremacy of the dollar if Russia switch from the independent system SWIFT to the Chinese run CIS rival.
JFK did what Putin's doing now
No different
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Looks like Russia might be struggling with its military objectives, and have been unexpected by the scale of the Ukrainian resistance.
May well be disinformation, as right now a lot of unreliable information is flying around.
It will be good if true though
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I didn't want to post it earlier as I thought it might be wishful thinking, but I was thinking this too.
Now to get people's backs up... we need to give Putin a face saving solution... no, no, no, I'm not on Putin's side, I don't think he is right in invading, but he ain't going to go without something.
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Disagree entirely.
He needs putting back in his box, unceremoniously. There should be no compromise now.
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Agree with this, or in a few years he will be at it again.
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Tried that after WW1, it didn't work. WW2 a different approach was given and it worked.
Any deal works best when both parties feel they gained at the table.
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How will Ukraine gain via compromise?
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No more threat from Russia.
We all have a sneaky feeling Putin wants Ukraine in Russia, BUT he has repeatedly said it to do with NATO and separatists. Use the NATO part as the bargaining chip. Ukraine will not join NATO unless it has Russian approval. This way Putin will get something publicly and he can move the fool out of Ukraine.
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Ludicrous..
Remove democracy from the Ukrainian people?!
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comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
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“Putting Putin and Russia in a box, but how so?”
There are a bunch of ways that could be achieved, with a will.
One, I think, is by threatening to cripple the Russian economy, which could be done without the Chinese support.
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Ok, but that impacts ordinary Russians too, don't forget.
I disagree with it, but the EU, NATO, UN and world Need to be in Ukraine to physically stop Putin, as words and sanctions are not enough right now, but that means WW3.
So, we compromise, get Russia out of Ukraine with a neutral Ukraine not in NATO right now, imo.
It's schit, but real politik
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The sanctions absolutely had to start with the regime, the kleptocracy, Donbas and the banking system. Fair enough.
I understand why it hasn’t happened yet, but I’m starting to come around to the argument that if the first couple of waves aren’t having any material effect (and granted, they could be ramped up yet with wider asset seizures, for example), then the threat has to be to completely financial isolate and cripple the Russian economy.
Blanket external asset freezes, blanket travel bans, blanket banking isolation, blanket investment bans, blanket import/export bans.
Let the Russian people choose between Putin and expansionist militarism, and the ability to trade and prosper.
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did the world put these sanctions on USA and it's vassal state Britain, after the Gulf War, Syria and Libya ?
Was that not expansionist militarism ?
When did the USA and Britain become such pacifists ?
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No, it was obviously not expansionist militarism.
We are talking about what is going on, right now. The US and UK’s prior crimes are irrelevant.
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No offence, but bookmarked.
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Mate, I literally marched against the Iraq War and the invasion of Afghanistan.
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
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JFK did what Putin's doing now
No different
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Oh well that’s all right then
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Looks like Russia might be struggling with its military objectives, and have been unexpected by the scale of the Ukrainian resistance.
May well be disinformation, as right now a lot of unreliable information is flying around.
It will be good if true though
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I didn't want to post it earlier as I thought it might be wishful thinking, but I was thinking this too.
Now to get people's backs up... we need to give Putin a face saving solution... no, no, no, I'm not on Putin's side, I don't think he is right in invading, but he ain't going to go without something.
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Disagree entirely.
He needs putting back in his box, unceremoniously. There should be no compromise now.
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Agree with this, or in a few years he will be at it again.
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Tried that after WW1, it didn't work. WW2 a different approach was given and it worked.
Any deal works best when both parties feel they gained at the table.
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How will Ukraine gain via compromise?
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No more threat from Russia.
We all have a sneaky feeling Putin wants Ukraine in Russia, BUT he has repeatedly said it to do with NATO and separatists. Use the NATO part as the bargaining chip. Ukraine will not join NATO unless it has Russian approval. This way Putin will get something publicly and he can move the fool out of Ukraine.
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What?
The Ukraine is an independent country and should be free to join whatever defensive faction it likes, NATO especially.
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Should be able to... yeah, but that isn't the way of the world is it? You should be able to walk through downtown Rio at night with jewelry on. Chances are you won't come out with it.
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Wanna buy a Rolex, mate.
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comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 1 minute ago
Looks like Russia might be struggling with its military objectives, and have been unexpected by the scale of the Ukrainian resistance.
May well be disinformation, as right now a lot of unreliable information is flying around.
It will be good if true though
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I didn't want to post it earlier as I thought it might be wishful thinking, but I was thinking this too.
Now to get people's backs up... we need to give Putin a face saving solution... no, no, no, I'm not on Putin's side, I don't think he is right in invading, but he ain't going to go without something.
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Disagree entirely.
He needs putting back in his box, unceremoniously. There should be no compromise now.
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Agree with this, or in a few years he will be at it again.
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Tried that after WW1, it didn't work. WW2 a different approach was given and it worked.
Any deal works best when both parties feel they gained at the table.
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How will Ukraine gain via compromise?
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No more threat from Russia.
We all have a sneaky feeling Putin wants Ukraine in Russia, BUT he has repeatedly said it to do with NATO and separatists. Use the NATO part as the bargaining chip. Ukraine will not join NATO unless it has Russian approval. This way Putin will get something publicly and he can move the fool out of Ukraine.
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What?
The Ukraine is an independent country and should be free to join whatever defensive faction it likes, NATO especially.
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Should be able to... yeah, but that isn't the way of the world is it? You should be able to walk through downtown Rio at night with jewelry on. Chances are you won't come out with it.
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That has to be up there with one of the most ludicrous comparisons I’ve ever read.
The perpetrator if caught would be banged up in all likelihood.
Nothing like invading a free country of innocent people.
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JFK did what Putin's doing now
No different
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Absolute nonsense.
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comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 1 minute ago
Looks like Russia might be struggling with its military objectives, and have been unexpected by the scale of the Ukrainian resistance.
May well be disinformation, as right now a lot of unreliable information is flying around.
It will be good if true though
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I didn't want to post it earlier as I thought it might be wishful thinking, but I was thinking this too.
Now to get people's backs up... we need to give Putin a face saving solution... no, no, no, I'm not on Putin's side, I don't think he is right in invading, but he ain't going to go without something.
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Disagree entirely.
He needs putting back in his box, unceremoniously. There should be no compromise now.
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Agree with this, or in a few years he will be at it again.
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Tried that after WW1, it didn't work. WW2 a different approach was given and it worked.
Any deal works best when both parties feel they gained at the table.
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How will Ukraine gain via compromise?
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No more threat from Russia.
We all have a sneaky feeling Putin wants Ukraine in Russia, BUT he has repeatedly said it to do with NATO and separatists. Use the NATO part as the bargaining chip. Ukraine will not join NATO unless it has Russian approval. This way Putin will get something publicly and he can move the fool out of Ukraine.
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Ludicrous..
Remove democracy from the Ukrainian people?!
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It isn't removing democracy,FFS. It's one agreement to gain peace.
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It is removing democracy and bowing down to an aggressive autocrat. He will be back as soon as Ukraine start completing chapters for EU ascent because he knows that he can get what he wants.
Ukraine is a free and independent, democratic country and should be allowed to remain that way, their people FOUGHT for the right to self determination and it's not for the West to take it away from them when we have ALREADY refused to back them on other compromises, and are now letting them down with regards to standing agreements over defence for their Denuclearisation.
Putin wouldn't be in there if we hadnt made these agreements to get those bombs off his doorstep.
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comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
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Looks like Russia might be struggling with its military objectives, and have been unexpected by the scale of the Ukrainian resistance.
May well be disinformation, as right now a lot of unreliable information is flying around.
It will be good if true though
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I didn't want to post it earlier as I thought it might be wishful thinking, but I was thinking this too.
Now to get people's backs up... we need to give Putin a face saving solution... no, no, no, I'm not on Putin's side, I don't think he is right in invading, but he ain't going to go without something.
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Disagree entirely.
He needs putting back in his box, unceremoniously. There should be no compromise now.
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Agree with this, or in a few years he will be at it again.
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Tried that after WW1, it didn't work. WW2 a different approach was given and it worked.
Any deal works best when both parties feel they gained at the table.
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How will Ukraine gain via compromise?
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No more threat from Russia.
We all have a sneaky feeling Putin wants Ukraine in Russia, BUT he has repeatedly said it to do with NATO and separatists. Use the NATO part as the bargaining chip. Ukraine will not join NATO unless it has Russian approval. This way Putin will get something publicly and he can move the fool out of Ukraine.
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What?
The Ukraine is an independent country and should be free to join whatever defensive faction it likes, NATO especially.
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Should be able to... yeah, but that isn't the way of the world is it? You should be able to walk through downtown Rio at night with jewelry on. Chances are you won't come out with it.
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That has to be up there with one of the most ludicrous comparisons I’ve ever read.
The perpetrator if caught would be banged up in all likelihood.
Nothing like invading a free country of innocent people.
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If you say so. I see it as what is right Vs what is most likely.
And get caught? 🤣🤣🤣
Those innocent people are going to get slaughter with your approach.
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You should send your posts to the Kremlin and embolden them.
I’ve never read so much utter tosh in my life. Thank fwck your view are a rarity in a free world.
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The sanctions absolutely had to start with the regime, the kleptocracy, Donbas and the banking system. Fair enough.
I understand why it hasn’t happened yet, but I’m starting to come around to the argument that if the first couple of waves aren’t having any material effect (and granted, they could be ramped up yet with wider asset seizures, for example), then the threat has to be to completely financial isolate and cripple the Russian economy.
Blanket external asset freezes, blanket travel bans, blanket banking isolation, blanket investment bans, blanket import/export bans.
Let the Russian people choose between Putin and expansionist militarism, and the ability to trade and prosper.
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did the world put these sanctions on USA and it's vassal state Britain, after the Gulf War, Syria and Libya ?
Was that not expansionist militarism ?
When did the USA and Britain become such pacifists ?
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No, it was obviously not expansionist militarism.
We are talking about what is going on, right now. The US and UK’s prior crimes are irrelevant.
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No offence, but bookmarked.
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Mate, I literally marched against the Iraq War and the invasion of Afghanistan.
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Me too, by myself, but jaw jaw beats war war here too, as western troops in Ukraine is the way to stop Putin, but as also leads to mass murders on all sides, so diomacy and cool heads will be needed down the line to fix it, an DC that means compromise....or else we have a huge war.
Putin is a menace and in the wrong, but WW3 is not the solutiin, and NATO, Biden, Boris, UN and EU must agree, as they let Ukraine down this week.
We end up talking in the end, a in NI or wherever we humans fight, so cut the that part now, get Ukraine and Russia round a table and compromise....no NATO membership is small fry right now for Kyiv.
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comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
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Looks like Russia might be struggling with its military objectives, and have been unexpected by the scale of the Ukrainian resistance.
May well be disinformation, as right now a lot of unreliable information is flying around.
It will be good if true though
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I didn't want to post it earlier as I thought it might be wishful thinking, but I was thinking this too.
Now to get people's backs up... we need to give Putin a face saving solution... no, no, no, I'm not on Putin's side, I don't think he is right in invading, but he ain't going to go without something.
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Disagree entirely.
He needs putting back in his box, unceremoniously. There should be no compromise now.
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Agree with this, or in a few years he will be at it again.
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Tried that after WW1, it didn't work. WW2 a different approach was given and it worked.
Any deal works best when both parties feel they gained at the table.
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How will Ukraine gain via compromise?
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No more threat from Russia.
We all have a sneaky feeling Putin wants Ukraine in Russia, BUT he has repeatedly said it to do with NATO and separatists. Use the NATO part as the bargaining chip. Ukraine will not join NATO unless it has Russian approval. This way Putin will get something publicly and he can move the fool out of Ukraine.
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Ludicrous..
Remove democracy from the Ukrainian people?!
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It isn't removing democracy,FFS. It's one agreement to gain peace.
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It is removing democracy and bowing down to an aggressive autocrat. He will be back as soon as Ukraine start completing chapters for EU ascent because he knows that he can get what he wants.
Ukraine is a free and independent, democratic country and should be allowed to remain that way, their people FOUGHT for the right to self determination and it's not for the West to take it away from them when we have ALREADY refused to back them on other compromises, and are now letting them down with regards to standing agreements over defence for their Denuclearisation.
Putin wouldn't be in there if we hadnt made these agreements to get those bombs off his doorstep.
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And Putin is a nutter. His argument about NATO missiles on the doorstep is valid to a degree, a paranoid degree admittedly, but a degree.
Giving him assurances for the sake of peace will ensure the least amount of bloodshed. And that is the most important point.
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He doesn't have a right to deny Ukrainians membership of NATO. It's a mutual defence pact...
Think about that, you are saying that to appease and aggressor we should make sure his neighbour doesn't have support?!?
This is deeply cynical and abhorrent - back in the 80s when Russia tried and failed to take Afghanistan the sight of Russian body bags coming back every day to Russian cities made the public mood turn the tide and end the war.
Now Russia have mobile crematoriums to hide the numbers of dead and stop the bodybag ‘effect’ from influencing the public mood.
“Giving him assurance”?
We should be ensuring him an untimely assassination. The world does not need maniacs like Putin who decide that as their popularity starts to wane along with their brain cells, their best response is to invade a free country of 41 million people to “save it from Nazism”.
The man is a maniac. Don’t start thinking he’s some clever strategist ffs.
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Looks like Russia might be struggling with its military objectives, and have been unexpected by the scale of the Ukrainian resistance.
May well be disinformation, as right now a lot of unreliable information is flying around.
It will be good if true though
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I didn't want to post it earlier as I thought it might be wishful thinking, but I was thinking this too.
Now to get people's backs up... we need to give Putin a face saving solution... no, no, no, I'm not on Putin's side, I don't think he is right in invading, but he ain't going to go without something.
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Disagree entirely.
He needs putting back in his box, unceremoniously. There should be no compromise now.
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Agree with this, or in a few years he will be at it again.
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Tried that after WW1, it didn't work. WW2 a different approach was given and it worked.
Any deal works best when both parties feel they gained at the table.
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How will Ukraine gain via compromise?
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No more threat from Russia.
We all have a sneaky feeling Putin wants Ukraine in Russia, BUT he has repeatedly said it to do with NATO and separatists. Use the NATO part as the bargaining chip. Ukraine will not join NATO unless it has Russian approval. This way Putin will get something publicly and he can move the fool out of Ukraine.
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What?
The Ukraine is an independent country and should be free to join whatever defensive faction it likes, NATO especially.
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Should be able to... yeah, but that isn't the way of the world is it? You should be able to walk through downtown Rio at night with jewelry on. Chances are you won't come out with it.
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That has to be up there with one of the most ludicrous comparisons I’ve ever read.
The perpetrator if caught would be banged up in all likelihood.
Nothing like invading a free country of innocent people.
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If you say so. I see it as what is right Vs what is most likely.
And get caught? 🤣🤣🤣
Those innocent people are going to get slaughter with your approach.
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You should send your posts to the Kremlin and embolden them.
I’ve never read so much utter tosh in my life. Thank fwck your view are a rarity in a free world.
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Afternoon.
Would you be in favour of western troops going into Ukraine today to fight Russians, mate?
I admit that is what perhaps needs to happen, but is it not a massive call and risk?
Apart from Brits and yanks, few nations are up for it, and even UK and USA are holding back in spite of what Putin has done already?
They are prepared to sacrife Ukraine, imo.
Should we enter a war to save it?
Huge moral and military call, Ging.
Would we join up to fight or send sons, daughters, dads, or mates off?...that is what could escalate.
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Afternoon.
Would you be in favour of western troops going into Ukraine today to fight Russians, mate?
I admit that is what perhaps needs to happen, but is it not a massive call and risk?
Apart from Brits and yanks, few nations are up for it, and even UK and USA are holding back in spite of what Putin has done already?
They are prepared to sacrife Ukraine, imo.
Should we enter a war to save it?
Huge moral and military call, Ging.
Would we join up to fight or send sons, daughters, dads, or mates off?...that is what could escalate.
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Crazy post tbh
Britain has no business sending troops to Ukraine to fight
It will end v badly for Britain if that ever happened
Russia is not Iraq or Syria, and Ukraine is their back yard
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“Giving him assurance”?
We should be ensuring him an untimely assassination. The world does not need maniacs like Putin who decide that as their popularity starts to wane along with their brain cells, their best response is to invade a free country of 41 million people to “save it from Nazism”.
The man is a maniac. Don’t start thinking he’s some clever strategist ffs.
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Taliban run Kabul, Ayotollahs run Iran, Assad in Syria, we got rid of Saddam and got Isis, went to Libya and made matters worse and then we have China and African wars where maniacs run things.
Going to be awfy busy, Ging.
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Looks like Russia might be struggling with its military objectives, and have been unexpected by the scale of the Ukrainian resistance.
May well be disinformation, as right now a lot of unreliable information is flying around.
It will be good if true though
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I didn't want to post it earlier as I thought it might be wishful thinking, but I was thinking this too.
Now to get people's backs up... we need to give Putin a face saving solution... no, no, no, I'm not on Putin's side, I don't think he is right in invading, but he ain't going to go without something.
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Disagree entirely.
He needs putting back in his box, unceremoniously. There should be no compromise now.
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Agree with this, or in a few years he will be at it again.
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Tried that after WW1, it didn't work. WW2 a different approach was given and it worked.
Any deal works best when both parties feel they gained at the table.
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After WWII worked?
The Cold War
Cuba Crisis
Current European disintegration and complete lack of solidarity with countries like Switzerland, Germany, Italy and India all self serving and frightened of a financial hit.
We could go on and on about the many conflicts.
I’m disgusted that we are so lily livered in sanctions and not putting significant armed forces all along NATO borders whilst arming the Ukraine to the teeth and “training” their military on an ongoing basis.
A lunatic like Putin knows his time is coming to an end and just wants to go down in history. It’s not his country. He should not be allowed to march into it and issue dire warnings of retaliation the likes of which we’ve never seen should we try and help a country in distress.
Fwcking pathetic.
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current situation is the Cuban Missile crisis in reverse
this explains everything Putin is doing
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Well here’s hoping it falls apart in similar fashion.
posted on 25/2/22
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Clear tonight that US and UK have led the (largely failed) attempt to go for the harshest measures against Russia but the EU rejected SWIFT proposal — contrary to uninformed twitter commentary from blue tick FBPE throughout the week. Something to remember.
^ Literally two days ago some of you were waanking over EU measures and hammering UK
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Literally two days ago they had harsher measures than us.
Now it's not too dismiliar, and I was going to post on here earlier how feckin stupid it was of the EU to block it, but I decided I should do some research on it first, and their hesitancy makes sense.
Also the US are against blocking swift because it will challenge the supremacy of the dollar if Russia switch from the independent system SWIFT to the Chinese run CIS rival.
posted on 25/2/22
JFK did what Putin's doing now
No different
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Looks like Russia might be struggling with its military objectives, and have been unexpected by the scale of the Ukrainian resistance.
May well be disinformation, as right now a lot of unreliable information is flying around.
It will be good if true though
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I didn't want to post it earlier as I thought it might be wishful thinking, but I was thinking this too.
Now to get people's backs up... we need to give Putin a face saving solution... no, no, no, I'm not on Putin's side, I don't think he is right in invading, but he ain't going to go without something.
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Disagree entirely.
He needs putting back in his box, unceremoniously. There should be no compromise now.
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Agree with this, or in a few years he will be at it again.
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Tried that after WW1, it didn't work. WW2 a different approach was given and it worked.
Any deal works best when both parties feel they gained at the table.
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How will Ukraine gain via compromise?
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No more threat from Russia.
We all have a sneaky feeling Putin wants Ukraine in Russia, BUT he has repeatedly said it to do with NATO and separatists. Use the NATO part as the bargaining chip. Ukraine will not join NATO unless it has Russian approval. This way Putin will get something publicly and he can move the fool out of Ukraine.
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Ludicrous..
Remove democracy from the Ukrainian people?!
posted on 25/2/22
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“Putting Putin and Russia in a box, but how so?”
There are a bunch of ways that could be achieved, with a will.
One, I think, is by threatening to cripple the Russian economy, which could be done without the Chinese support.
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Ok, but that impacts ordinary Russians too, don't forget.
I disagree with it, but the EU, NATO, UN and world Need to be in Ukraine to physically stop Putin, as words and sanctions are not enough right now, but that means WW3.
So, we compromise, get Russia out of Ukraine with a neutral Ukraine not in NATO right now, imo.
It's schit, but real politik
posted on 25/2/22
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The sanctions absolutely had to start with the regime, the kleptocracy, Donbas and the banking system. Fair enough.
I understand why it hasn’t happened yet, but I’m starting to come around to the argument that if the first couple of waves aren’t having any material effect (and granted, they could be ramped up yet with wider asset seizures, for example), then the threat has to be to completely financial isolate and cripple the Russian economy.
Blanket external asset freezes, blanket travel bans, blanket banking isolation, blanket investment bans, blanket import/export bans.
Let the Russian people choose between Putin and expansionist militarism, and the ability to trade and prosper.
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did the world put these sanctions on USA and it's vassal state Britain, after the Gulf War, Syria and Libya ?
Was that not expansionist militarism ?
When did the USA and Britain become such pacifists ?
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No, it was obviously not expansionist militarism.
We are talking about what is going on, right now. The US and UK’s prior crimes are irrelevant.
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No offence, but bookmarked.
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Mate, I literally marched against the Iraq War and the invasion of Afghanistan.
posted on 25/2/22
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 1 minute ago
JFK did what Putin's doing now
No different
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Oh well that’s all right then
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posted 6 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
Looks like Russia might be struggling with its military objectives, and have been unexpected by the scale of the Ukrainian resistance.
May well be disinformation, as right now a lot of unreliable information is flying around.
It will be good if true though
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I didn't want to post it earlier as I thought it might be wishful thinking, but I was thinking this too.
Now to get people's backs up... we need to give Putin a face saving solution... no, no, no, I'm not on Putin's side, I don't think he is right in invading, but he ain't going to go without something.
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Disagree entirely.
He needs putting back in his box, unceremoniously. There should be no compromise now.
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Agree with this, or in a few years he will be at it again.
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Tried that after WW1, it didn't work. WW2 a different approach was given and it worked.
Any deal works best when both parties feel they gained at the table.
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How will Ukraine gain via compromise?
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No more threat from Russia.
We all have a sneaky feeling Putin wants Ukraine in Russia, BUT he has repeatedly said it to do with NATO and separatists. Use the NATO part as the bargaining chip. Ukraine will not join NATO unless it has Russian approval. This way Putin will get something publicly and he can move the fool out of Ukraine.
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What?
The Ukraine is an independent country and should be free to join whatever defensive faction it likes, NATO especially.
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Should be able to... yeah, but that isn't the way of the world is it? You should be able to walk through downtown Rio at night with jewelry on. Chances are you won't come out with it.
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Wanna buy a Rolex, mate.
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comment by The goat did it (U10408)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 1 minute ago
Looks like Russia might be struggling with its military objectives, and have been unexpected by the scale of the Ukrainian resistance.
May well be disinformation, as right now a lot of unreliable information is flying around.
It will be good if true though
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I didn't want to post it earlier as I thought it might be wishful thinking, but I was thinking this too.
Now to get people's backs up... we need to give Putin a face saving solution... no, no, no, I'm not on Putin's side, I don't think he is right in invading, but he ain't going to go without something.
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Disagree entirely.
He needs putting back in his box, unceremoniously. There should be no compromise now.
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Agree with this, or in a few years he will be at it again.
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Tried that after WW1, it didn't work. WW2 a different approach was given and it worked.
Any deal works best when both parties feel they gained at the table.
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How will Ukraine gain via compromise?
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No more threat from Russia.
We all have a sneaky feeling Putin wants Ukraine in Russia, BUT he has repeatedly said it to do with NATO and separatists. Use the NATO part as the bargaining chip. Ukraine will not join NATO unless it has Russian approval. This way Putin will get something publicly and he can move the fool out of Ukraine.
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What?
The Ukraine is an independent country and should be free to join whatever defensive faction it likes, NATO especially.
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Should be able to... yeah, but that isn't the way of the world is it? You should be able to walk through downtown Rio at night with jewelry on. Chances are you won't come out with it.
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That has to be up there with one of the most ludicrous comparisons I’ve ever read.
The perpetrator if caught would be banged up in all likelihood.
Nothing like invading a free country of innocent people.
posted on 25/2/22
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 2 minutes ago
JFK did what Putin's doing now
No different
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Absolute nonsense.
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comment by The goat did it (U10408)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 1 minute ago
Looks like Russia might be struggling with its military objectives, and have been unexpected by the scale of the Ukrainian resistance.
May well be disinformation, as right now a lot of unreliable information is flying around.
It will be good if true though
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I didn't want to post it earlier as I thought it might be wishful thinking, but I was thinking this too.
Now to get people's backs up... we need to give Putin a face saving solution... no, no, no, I'm not on Putin's side, I don't think he is right in invading, but he ain't going to go without something.
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Disagree entirely.
He needs putting back in his box, unceremoniously. There should be no compromise now.
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Agree with this, or in a few years he will be at it again.
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Tried that after WW1, it didn't work. WW2 a different approach was given and it worked.
Any deal works best when both parties feel they gained at the table.
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How will Ukraine gain via compromise?
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No more threat from Russia.
We all have a sneaky feeling Putin wants Ukraine in Russia, BUT he has repeatedly said it to do with NATO and separatists. Use the NATO part as the bargaining chip. Ukraine will not join NATO unless it has Russian approval. This way Putin will get something publicly and he can move the fool out of Ukraine.
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Ludicrous..
Remove democracy from the Ukrainian people?!
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It isn't removing democracy,FFS. It's one agreement to gain peace.
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It is removing democracy and bowing down to an aggressive autocrat. He will be back as soon as Ukraine start completing chapters for EU ascent because he knows that he can get what he wants.
Ukraine is a free and independent, democratic country and should be allowed to remain that way, their people FOUGHT for the right to self determination and it's not for the West to take it away from them when we have ALREADY refused to back them on other compromises, and are now letting them down with regards to standing agreements over defence for their Denuclearisation.
Putin wouldn't be in there if we hadnt made these agreements to get those bombs off his doorstep.
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Looks like Russia might be struggling with its military objectives, and have been unexpected by the scale of the Ukrainian resistance.
May well be disinformation, as right now a lot of unreliable information is flying around.
It will be good if true though
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I didn't want to post it earlier as I thought it might be wishful thinking, but I was thinking this too.
Now to get people's backs up... we need to give Putin a face saving solution... no, no, no, I'm not on Putin's side, I don't think he is right in invading, but he ain't going to go without something.
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Disagree entirely.
He needs putting back in his box, unceremoniously. There should be no compromise now.
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Agree with this, or in a few years he will be at it again.
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Tried that after WW1, it didn't work. WW2 a different approach was given and it worked.
Any deal works best when both parties feel they gained at the table.
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How will Ukraine gain via compromise?
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No more threat from Russia.
We all have a sneaky feeling Putin wants Ukraine in Russia, BUT he has repeatedly said it to do with NATO and separatists. Use the NATO part as the bargaining chip. Ukraine will not join NATO unless it has Russian approval. This way Putin will get something publicly and he can move the fool out of Ukraine.
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What?
The Ukraine is an independent country and should be free to join whatever defensive faction it likes, NATO especially.
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Should be able to... yeah, but that isn't the way of the world is it? You should be able to walk through downtown Rio at night with jewelry on. Chances are you won't come out with it.
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That has to be up there with one of the most ludicrous comparisons I’ve ever read.
The perpetrator if caught would be banged up in all likelihood.
Nothing like invading a free country of innocent people.
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If you say so. I see it as what is right Vs what is most likely.
And get caught? 🤣🤣🤣
Those innocent people are going to get slaughter with your approach.
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You should send your posts to the Kremlin and embolden them.
I’ve never read so much utter tosh in my life. Thank fwck your view are a rarity in a free world.
posted on 25/2/22
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The sanctions absolutely had to start with the regime, the kleptocracy, Donbas and the banking system. Fair enough.
I understand why it hasn’t happened yet, but I’m starting to come around to the argument that if the first couple of waves aren’t having any material effect (and granted, they could be ramped up yet with wider asset seizures, for example), then the threat has to be to completely financial isolate and cripple the Russian economy.
Blanket external asset freezes, blanket travel bans, blanket banking isolation, blanket investment bans, blanket import/export bans.
Let the Russian people choose between Putin and expansionist militarism, and the ability to trade and prosper.
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did the world put these sanctions on USA and it's vassal state Britain, after the Gulf War, Syria and Libya ?
Was that not expansionist militarism ?
When did the USA and Britain become such pacifists ?
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No, it was obviously not expansionist militarism.
We are talking about what is going on, right now. The US and UK’s prior crimes are irrelevant.
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No offence, but bookmarked.
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Mate, I literally marched against the Iraq War and the invasion of Afghanistan.
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Me too, by myself, but jaw jaw beats war war here too, as western troops in Ukraine is the way to stop Putin, but as also leads to mass murders on all sides, so diomacy and cool heads will be needed down the line to fix it, an DC that means compromise....or else we have a huge war.
Putin is a menace and in the wrong, but WW3 is not the solutiin, and NATO, Biden, Boris, UN and EU must agree, as they let Ukraine down this week.
We end up talking in the end, a in NI or wherever we humans fight, so cut the that part now, get Ukraine and Russia round a table and compromise....no NATO membership is small fry right now for Kyiv.
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It's okay guys. The Taliban are monitoring the situation
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comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 1 minute ago
Looks like Russia might be struggling with its military objectives, and have been unexpected by the scale of the Ukrainian resistance.
May well be disinformation, as right now a lot of unreliable information is flying around.
It will be good if true though
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I didn't want to post it earlier as I thought it might be wishful thinking, but I was thinking this too.
Now to get people's backs up... we need to give Putin a face saving solution... no, no, no, I'm not on Putin's side, I don't think he is right in invading, but he ain't going to go without something.
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Disagree entirely.
He needs putting back in his box, unceremoniously. There should be no compromise now.
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Agree with this, or in a few years he will be at it again.
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Tried that after WW1, it didn't work. WW2 a different approach was given and it worked.
Any deal works best when both parties feel they gained at the table.
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How will Ukraine gain via compromise?
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No more threat from Russia.
We all have a sneaky feeling Putin wants Ukraine in Russia, BUT he has repeatedly said it to do with NATO and separatists. Use the NATO part as the bargaining chip. Ukraine will not join NATO unless it has Russian approval. This way Putin will get something publicly and he can move the fool out of Ukraine.
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Ludicrous..
Remove democracy from the Ukrainian people?!
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It isn't removing democracy,FFS. It's one agreement to gain peace.
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It is removing democracy and bowing down to an aggressive autocrat. He will be back as soon as Ukraine start completing chapters for EU ascent because he knows that he can get what he wants.
Ukraine is a free and independent, democratic country and should be allowed to remain that way, their people FOUGHT for the right to self determination and it's not for the West to take it away from them when we have ALREADY refused to back them on other compromises, and are now letting them down with regards to standing agreements over defence for their Denuclearisation.
Putin wouldn't be in there if we hadnt made these agreements to get those bombs off his doorstep.
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And Putin is a nutter. His argument about NATO missiles on the doorstep is valid to a degree, a paranoid degree admittedly, but a degree.
Giving him assurances for the sake of peace will ensure the least amount of bloodshed. And that is the most important point.
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He doesn't have a right to deny Ukrainians membership of NATO. It's a mutual defence pact...
Think about that, you are saying that to appease and aggressor we should make sure his neighbour doesn't have support?!?
posted on 25/2/22
This is deeply cynical and abhorrent - back in the 80s when Russia tried and failed to take Afghanistan the sight of Russian body bags coming back every day to Russian cities made the public mood turn the tide and end the war.
Now Russia have mobile crematoriums to hide the numbers of dead and stop the bodybag ‘effect’ from influencing the public mood.
posted on 25/2/22
“Giving him assurance”?
We should be ensuring him an untimely assassination. The world does not need maniacs like Putin who decide that as their popularity starts to wane along with their brain cells, their best response is to invade a free country of 41 million people to “save it from Nazism”.
The man is a maniac. Don’t start thinking he’s some clever strategist ffs.
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posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 1 minute ago
Looks like Russia might be struggling with its military objectives, and have been unexpected by the scale of the Ukrainian resistance.
May well be disinformation, as right now a lot of unreliable information is flying around.
It will be good if true though
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I didn't want to post it earlier as I thought it might be wishful thinking, but I was thinking this too.
Now to get people's backs up... we need to give Putin a face saving solution... no, no, no, I'm not on Putin's side, I don't think he is right in invading, but he ain't going to go without something.
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Disagree entirely.
He needs putting back in his box, unceremoniously. There should be no compromise now.
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Agree with this, or in a few years he will be at it again.
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Tried that after WW1, it didn't work. WW2 a different approach was given and it worked.
Any deal works best when both parties feel they gained at the table.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How will Ukraine gain via compromise?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No more threat from Russia.
We all have a sneaky feeling Putin wants Ukraine in Russia, BUT he has repeatedly said it to do with NATO and separatists. Use the NATO part as the bargaining chip. Ukraine will not join NATO unless it has Russian approval. This way Putin will get something publicly and he can move the fool out of Ukraine.
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What?
The Ukraine is an independent country and should be free to join whatever defensive faction it likes, NATO especially.
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Should be able to... yeah, but that isn't the way of the world is it? You should be able to walk through downtown Rio at night with jewelry on. Chances are you won't come out with it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That has to be up there with one of the most ludicrous comparisons I’ve ever read.
The perpetrator if caught would be banged up in all likelihood.
Nothing like invading a free country of innocent people.
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If you say so. I see it as what is right Vs what is most likely.
And get caught? 🤣🤣🤣
Those innocent people are going to get slaughter with your approach.
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You should send your posts to the Kremlin and embolden them.
I’ve never read so much utter tosh in my life. Thank fwck your view are a rarity in a free world.
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Afternoon.
Would you be in favour of western troops going into Ukraine today to fight Russians, mate?
I admit that is what perhaps needs to happen, but is it not a massive call and risk?
Apart from Brits and yanks, few nations are up for it, and even UK and USA are holding back in spite of what Putin has done already?
They are prepared to sacrife Ukraine, imo.
Should we enter a war to save it?
Huge moral and military call, Ging.
Would we join up to fight or send sons, daughters, dads, or mates off?...that is what could escalate.
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Afternoon.
Would you be in favour of western troops going into Ukraine today to fight Russians, mate?
I admit that is what perhaps needs to happen, but is it not a massive call and risk?
Apart from Brits and yanks, few nations are up for it, and even UK and USA are holding back in spite of what Putin has done already?
They are prepared to sacrife Ukraine, imo.
Should we enter a war to save it?
Huge moral and military call, Ging.
Would we join up to fight or send sons, daughters, dads, or mates off?...that is what could escalate.
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Crazy post tbh
Britain has no business sending troops to Ukraine to fight
It will end v badly for Britain if that ever happened
Russia is not Iraq or Syria, and Ukraine is their back yard
posted on 25/2/22
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
“Giving him assurance”?
We should be ensuring him an untimely assassination. The world does not need maniacs like Putin who decide that as their popularity starts to wane along with their brain cells, their best response is to invade a free country of 41 million people to “save it from Nazism”.
The man is a maniac. Don’t start thinking he’s some clever strategist ffs.
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Taliban run Kabul, Ayotollahs run Iran, Assad in Syria, we got rid of Saddam and got Isis, went to Libya and made matters worse and then we have China and African wars where maniacs run things.
Going to be awfy busy, Ging.
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