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comment by Hector (U3606)
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
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Why, in your opinion, is it proving so difficult Sat Nav?
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What is your opinion? You’re the one condemning the performance.
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Answering a question with a question, how very swervy of you.
I have already said what I think, but just because its you..

I don't think they want a precedent for other war fleeing refugees, you know, the Syrians, the Libyans, the Iraqis etc.

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So if the numbers increase vastly from the current reported figure of 50? You would retract or change your view?
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I've already told you, no, we were meant to be free to act, flexible because we were released from the shackles of the constraining EU, yet here we are. I want them to change but don't think they will.

So, Why do you think its proving so difficult?

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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 10 minutes ago
Why, in your opinion, is it proving so difficult Sat Nav?
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What is your opinion? You’re the one condemning the performance.
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Answering a question with a question, how very swervy of you.
I have already said what I think, but just because its you..

I don't think they want a precedent for other war fleeing refugees, you know, the Syrians, the Libyans, the Iraqis etc.

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So if the numbers increase vastly from the current reported figure of 50? You would retract or change your view?
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Hopefully the numbers do increase. But the mere fact the HO have been turning away refugees (with reports of even those with family ties to the UK) in the first place is in my view abhorrent.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60619364

Ironically Brexit has helped the EU resettle refugees, as there was no UK to veto its decision to allow all Ukrainian refugees, without a visa requirement.
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This is what being free to control our borders means in Conservative Britain, refusing refugees.

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 10 minutes ago
Why, in your opinion, is it proving so difficult Sat Nav?
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What is your opinion? You’re the one condemning the performance.
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Answering a question with a question, how very swervy of you.
I have already said what I think, but just because its you..

I don't think they want a precedent for other war fleeing refugees, you know, the Syrians, the Libyans, the Iraqis etc.

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So if the numbers increase vastly from the current reported figure of 50? You would retract or change your view?
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I've already told you, no, we were meant to be free to act, flexible because we were released from the shackles of the constraining EU, yet here we are. I want them to change but don't think they will.

So, Why do you think its proving so difficult?
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I have no idea mate. It could be for protectionist reasons as you say, it could be a slow start but ramping up later (like a reverse of the EU with vaccines for example).

Trump with a truly big brain move over the weekend:

America should put the Chinese flag on US military aircraft and then "bomb the s---' out of Russia", Donald Trump has told Republican donors.

The former US president told his audience in New Orleans added: "[Then] we say – China did it, we didn’t do, China did it, and then they start fighting with each other and we sit back and watch.”

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 42 seconds ago
Trump with a truly big brain move over the weekend:

America should put the Chinese flag on US military aircraft and then "bomb the s---' out of Russia", Donald Trump has told Republican donors.

The former US president told his audience in New Orleans added: "[Then] we say – China did it, we didn’t do, China did it, and then they start fighting with each other and we sit back and watch.”


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This is up there with telling Theresa May to sue the EU

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 10 minutes ago
Why, in your opinion, is it proving so difficult Sat Nav?
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What is your opinion? You’re the one condemning the performance.
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Answering a question with a question, how very swervy of you.
I have already said what I think, but just because its you..

I don't think they want a precedent for other war fleeing refugees, you know, the Syrians, the Libyans, the Iraqis etc.

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So if the numbers increase vastly from the current reported figure of 50? You would retract or change your view?
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I've already told you, no, we were meant to be free to act, flexible because we were released from the shackles of the constraining EU, yet here we are. I want them to change but don't think they will.

So, Why do you think its proving so difficult?
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I have no idea mate. It could be for protectionist reasons as you say, it could be a slow start but ramping up later (like a reverse of the EU with vaccines for example).
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That slow start (on vaccines) was due to availability of vaccines to put into people. This would be a slow start but a couple warehouses full of vaccine just sitting there waiting.

we might have the ugliest politicians in the world

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 minutes ago
Trump with a truly big brain move over the weekend:

America should put the Chinese flag on US military aircraft and then "bomb the s---' out of Russia", Donald Trump has told Republican donors.

The former US president told his audience in New Orleans added: "[Then] we say – China did it, we didn’t do, China did it, and then they start fighting with each other and we sit back and watch.”


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Whether he meant it as a joke or otherwise, this kind of shiiiiit should have disqualified him from office in the eyes of voters many years ago.

The idea that someone who considers himself a statesman would think it’s OK to make statements like that publicly is nothing short of ridiculous.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 10 minutes ago
Why, in your opinion, is it proving so difficult Sat Nav?
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What is your opinion? You’re the one condemning the performance.
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Answering a question with a question, how very swervy of you.
I have already said what I think, but just because its you..

I don't think they want a precedent for other war fleeing refugees, you know, the Syrians, the Libyans, the Iraqis etc.

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So if the numbers increase vastly from the current reported figure of 50? You would retract or change your view?
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I've already told you, no, we were meant to be free to act, flexible because we were released from the shackles of the constraining EU, yet here we are. I want them to change but don't think they will.

So, Why do you think its proving so difficult?
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I have no idea mate. It could be for protectionist reasons as you say, it could be a slow start but ramping up later (like a reverse of the EU with vaccines for example).
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I could be unkind and question your need to crowbar the vaccine rollout into chat about, what I think, is a very poor show from the conservatives, but I won't.

Again, I hope you're right, I hope we do sort it out, but from all I'm hearing, from minimal staff in the Warsaw visa office, refugees in Calais being sent back to Paris, to the length of time it takes to fill out one application and it's one application per person regardless of age, it just seems, so far, that we're putting up obstacles rather than removing them, these people are desperate.

comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 10 minutes ago
Why, in your opinion, is it proving so difficult Sat Nav?
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What is your opinion? You’re the one condemning the performance.
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Answering a question with a question, how very swervy of you.
I have already said what I think, but just because its you..

I don't think they want a precedent for other war fleeing refugees, you know, the Syrians, the Libyans, the Iraqis etc.

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So if the numbers increase vastly from the current reported figure of 50? You would retract or change your view?
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I've already told you, no, we were meant to be free to act, flexible because we were released from the shackles of the constraining EU, yet here we are. I want them to change but don't think they will.

So, Why do you think its proving so difficult?
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I have no idea mate. It could be for protectionist reasons as you say, it could be a slow start but ramping up later (like a reverse of the EU with vaccines for example).
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That slow start (on vaccines) was due to availability of vaccines to put into people. This would be a slow start but a couple warehouses full of vaccine just sitting there waiting.
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Which was due to their paperwork which they had in place……

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 10 minutes ago
Why, in your opinion, is it proving so difficult Sat Nav?
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What is your opinion? You’re the one condemning the performance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Answering a question with a question, how very swervy of you.
I have already said what I think, but just because its you..

I don't think they want a precedent for other war fleeing refugees, you know, the Syrians, the Libyans, the Iraqis etc.

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So if the numbers increase vastly from the current reported figure of 50? You would retract or change your view?
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I've already told you, no, we were meant to be free to act, flexible because we were released from the shackles of the constraining EU, yet here we are. I want them to change but don't think they will.

So, Why do you think its proving so difficult?
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I have no idea mate. It could be for protectionist reasons as you say, it could be a slow start but ramping up later (like a reverse of the EU with vaccines for example).
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I could be unkind and question your need to crowbar the vaccine rollout into chat about, what I think, is a very poor show from the conservatives, but I won't.

Again, I hope you're right, I hope we do sort it out, but from all I'm hearing, from minimal staff in the Warsaw visa office, refugees in Calais being sent back to Paris, to the length of time it takes to fill out one application and it's one application per person regardless of age, it just seems, so far, that we're putting up obstacles rather than removing them, these people are desperate.
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It wasn’t meant as an EU dig, just a recent reverse example on a matter of extreme importance.

I don’t know exactly what’s going on but the quotes I’ve read all seem to say that the numbers will be going up a lot in due course.

Quotes from who? Cleverly, Johnson and Patel? I wouldn't hold my breath.

comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 minutes ago
Trump with a truly big brain move over the weekend:

America should put the Chinese flag on US military aircraft and then "bomb the s---' out of Russia", Donald Trump has told Republican donors.

The former US president told his audience in New Orleans added: "[Then] we say – China did it, we didn’t do, China did it, and then they start fighting with each other and we sit back and watch.”


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Whether he meant it as a joke or otherwise, this kind of shiiiiit should have disqualified him from office in the eyes of voters many years ago.

The idea that someone who considers himself a statesman would think it’s OK to make statements like that publicly is nothing short of ridiculous.
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Something tells me he legitimately thinks this sort of tactic would work

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
Quotes from who? Cleverly, Johnson and Patel? I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Well it’s not from Starmer

Let’s see over the course of the next week and see if the updated numbers get ubiquitously reported or not

Something tells me he legitimately thinks this sort of tactic would work
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Something tells me he's taking the wee wee.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
Quotes from who? Cleverly, Johnson and Patel? I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Well it’s not from Starmer

Let’s see over the course of the next week and see if the updated numbers get ubiquitously reported or not
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Starmer has no input into Conservative policy so why would he. I'm pretty sure the client journalism of this country will let us know if/when we eventually get around to doong the right thing.

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
Quotes from who? Cleverly, Johnson and Patel? I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Well it’s not from Starmer

Let’s see over the course of the next week and see if the updated numbers get ubiquitously reported or not
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Starmer has no input into Conservative policy so why would he. I'm pretty sure the client journalism of this country will let us know if/when we eventually get around to doong the right thing.
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Exactly. Why would it be from anyone other than the people that were asked about it ie. Cleverly, Johnson and Patel….

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 10 minutes ago
Why, in your opinion, is it proving so difficult Sat Nav?
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What is your opinion? You’re the one condemning the performance.
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Answering a question with a question, how very swervy of you.
I have already said what I think, but just because its you..

I don't think they want a precedent for other war fleeing refugees, you know, the Syrians, the Libyans, the Iraqis etc.

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So if the numbers increase vastly from the current reported figure of 50? You would retract or change your view?
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I've already told you, no, we were meant to be free to act, flexible because we were released from the shackles of the constraining EU, yet here we are. I want them to change but don't think they will.

So, Why do you think its proving so difficult?
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I have no idea mate. It could be for protectionist reasons as you say, it could be a slow start but ramping up later (like a reverse of the EU with vaccines for example).
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That slow start (on vaccines) was due to availability of vaccines to put into people. This would be a slow start but a couple warehouses full of vaccine just sitting there waiting.
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Which was due to their paperwork which they had in place……
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Who’s paperwork? I thought it was because the UK hoovered up the first ones?

Again in your analogy the EU had warehouses full of vaccines but were deciding not to put them into peoples arms. I’m not sure that was the case.

I suspect part of it on the UK side is because they’ve designed a system to be difficult to navigate, but in doing so it is unable to react nimbly to crises such as this one.

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 29 minutes ago
Quotes from who? Cleverly, Johnson and Patel? I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Like the quotes on number of Russians sanctioned in response to the war in Ukraine?

comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 10 minutes ago
Why, in your opinion, is it proving so difficult Sat Nav?
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What is your opinion? You’re the one condemning the performance.
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Answering a question with a question, how very swervy of you.
I have already said what I think, but just because its you..

I don't think they want a precedent for other war fleeing refugees, you know, the Syrians, the Libyans, the Iraqis etc.

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So if the numbers increase vastly from the current reported figure of 50? You would retract or change your view?
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I've already told you, no, we were meant to be free to act, flexible because we were released from the shackles of the constraining EU, yet here we are. I want them to change but don't think they will.

So, Why do you think its proving so difficult?
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I have no idea mate. It could be for protectionist reasons as you say, it could be a slow start but ramping up later (like a reverse of the EU with vaccines for example).
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That slow start (on vaccines) was due to availability of vaccines to put into people. This would be a slow start but a couple warehouses full of vaccine just sitting there waiting.
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Which was due to their paperwork which they had in place……
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Who’s paperwork? I thought it was because the UK hoovered up the first ones?

Again in your analogy the EU had warehouses full of vaccines but were deciding not to put them into peoples arms. I’m not sure that was the case.

I suspect part of it on the UK side is because they’ve designed a system to be difficult to navigate, but in doing so it is unable to react nimbly to crises such as this one.
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God you really do love drilling down into minutiae.

The paperwork that the EU had on vaccines, the contract they had was inferior to our which is why they didn’t have any.

Maybe our paperwork is similarly inept and is causing us to have a slow start.

Get me?

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
Quotes from who? Cleverly, Johnson and Patel? I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Well it’s not from Starmer

Let’s see over the course of the next week and see if the updated numbers get ubiquitously reported or not
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Starmer has no input into Conservative policy so why would he. I'm pretty sure the client journalism of this country will let us know if/when we eventually get around to doong the right thing.
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Exactly. Why would it be from anyone other than the people that were asked about it ie. Cleverly, Johnson and Patel….
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I thought you might have had more reliable quotes.

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
Quotes from who? Cleverly, Johnson and Patel? I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Well it’s not from Starmer

Let’s see over the course of the next week and see if the updated numbers get ubiquitously reported or not
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Starmer has no input into Conservative policy so why would he. I'm pretty sure the client journalism of this country will let us know if/when we eventually get around to doong the right thing.
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Exactly. Why would it be from anyone other than the people that were asked about it ie. Cleverly, Johnson and Patel….
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I thought you might have had more reliable quotes.
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Hahahah don’t be daft 😂

But seriously they are the only people to have anything to say on it as they’re the ones in charge and being asked by journalists

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 minutes ago
Trump with a truly big brain move over the weekend:

America should put the Chinese flag on US military aircraft and then "bomb the s---' out of Russia", Donald Trump has told Republican donors.

The former US president told his audience in New Orleans added: "[Then] we say – China did it, we didn’t do, China did it, and then they start fighting with each other and we sit back and watch.”


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Whether he meant it as a joke or otherwise, this kind of shiiiiit should have disqualified him from office in the eyes of voters many years ago.

The idea that someone who considers himself a statesman would think it’s OK to make statements like that publicly is nothing short of ridiculous.
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Something tells me he legitimately thinks this sort of tactic would work
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You seem confident that it wouldn’t 😂

More importantly - monster munch. What shape are they?

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 minutes ago
Trump with a truly big brain move over the weekend:

America should put the Chinese flag on US military aircraft and then "bomb the s---' out of Russia", Donald Trump has told Republican donors.

The former US president told his audience in New Orleans added: "[Then] we say – China did it, we didn’t do, China did it, and then they start fighting with each other and we sit back and watch.”


----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whether he meant it as a joke or otherwise, this kind of shiiiiit should have disqualified him from office in the eyes of voters many years ago.

The idea that someone who considers himself a statesman would think it’s OK to make statements like that publicly is nothing short of ridiculous.
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Something tells me he legitimately thinks this sort of tactic would work
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You seem confident that it wouldn’t 😂
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It could work if it was obviously done correctly with every little detail covered for, but with what we all know about Trump, I have this image of him thinking you could send an American fighter jet with a caucasian pilot talking English over comms, with just a Chinese flag painted on it