Wwspd.

You might be too young, but I remember those known as the Vietnamese boat people,,coming to NI decades ago.

Poor people were sent to Craigavon...a group of estates and roundabouts with no soul, inbetween Lurgan and Portadown, ffs.

Aleppo was to twinned with Lurgan last year and Aleppo said, fek aff.

General observation.

With the changing demographic face of UK (and Ireland) over the last fifty years, and continued efforts from all over the world to get to our shores, does this not highlight how tolerant, friendly and liberal we are?

I mean, look at so many parts of the world and everyone is the same, no diversity, just poverty, oppression, and awful corrupt and brutal leaders and regimes.

We are doing awfully well.

Much more diverse, economically and socially stable plus more tolerant than Africa, India, China, Middle East etc, which accounts for way over half the global population.

Hurrah

These are my issues identified with the vaccine passports domestically (when you actually delve into it unlike some people who seem to just blindly think it’s a good idea)

Let’s say for arguments sake this certificate or status or passport whatever they want to call it includes Vaccination OR Negative Test. And let’s also say it’s just for sporting events, festivals, pubs and restaurants not supermarkets or barbers etc although where do you draw the line ?

1) Everyone would have to have a smartphone, not everyone does and not everyone can afford one, are these people just excluded from ever going to a pub or restaurant?

2) Let’s say for arguments sake we have the testing option so that covers pregnant women, kids and people that don’t want it or can’t have it, they can show a test result instead. How long is the negative test valid for? Hypothetically if it’s 24 hours that’s a lot of tests, millions of people would arguably need to test themselves everyday, do the government have enough tests for this and a constant supply? Who pays for the tests? Where do you get the tests? Surely you’d have to go in somewhere to pick the test up but you could be carrying the virus and can’t prove anything yet before picking up the test so surely that defeats the purpose anyway?

3) How long does the vaccine element last for? As everyone has different antibody levels and length of antibodies and hidden antibodies including T-Cells so how do they analyse a time frame for how long it should last without regularly antibody testing every member of the public that has been jabbed? Plus they’ve already said it’s likely only the most vulnerable will be offered a vaccine after this year so what 30m people have to get tested everytime?

4) It still hasn’t been proven the vaccine stops transmission so what if someone gets the virus anyway even with all this? Especially as these rapid lateral flow tests are proven to be massively inaccurate in picking up positives and the vaccine hasn’t even been proven to reduce transmission although early studies do suggest it does. What do we then do, still maintain? What’s the actual aim / boundaries ?

5) With all of the above does this mean no masks no distancing, otherwise again what is the point in doing all of this?

6) by putting it in their hands and not government guidance, The amount of extra $hit this is going to cause regardless of the stance a venue takes, if a venue chooses to enforce this or chooses to not enforce this they’re going to have anger and protests and dissent from either side of the argument (the pro vaccine passport people and the anti vaccine passport people)

7) Then the obvious court cases, the discrimination, people that don’t have smartphones, pregnant women who are already pregnant and likely uncomfortable having to get tested constantly, people getting jabs purely because of this that could then have side effects and sue the venues

Even the above is just tip of the iceberg with the issues this is going to cause. And we are suggesting and hinting at this now when we’ve got over half the population vaccinated already and last year we had nobody vaccinated and we still carried on with no restrictions / passports for restaurants pubs etc so why now?

Just going to drag this mess on even longer

Plus it’d be pretty easy for the government to then say “we are not funding these tests anymore you’ll have to buy them yourself or we don’t have any in stock so you can’t get a test and thus can’t go anywhere” which is basically coercion and makes a vaccine mandatory in all but name

Discrimination against kids, pregnant women, ethnic minorities, medically exempt people and anyone else that doesn’t want to have the vaccine

Will result in a lot of tax payer funded court cases, for what in reality is a respiratory virus that only really excels in the winter and is something where the majority are willingly getting vaccinated for despite that it only really affects the over 40’s - 50’s.

Really dumb move but would be pretty much par for the course with the government so I expect it will happen but will be interesting to see how they do the above. Funded smartphones like with laptops?

This is sad

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-56514212

And final point, this might sound harsh but the vaccine is around 99.8% effective at stopping serious COVID (any more than cold symptoms) so that gives everyone over say 40 the same level of protection and prevention from dying that anyone under 40 has, and even that .2% people might still survive anyway, so going through all of this hassle, expense and effort to maybe save 6,000 lives (let’s say 15m most vulnerable x 0.2% = 30,000 then let’s say the average death rate in that is 10% - 20% so max 6,000 people and even then that would likely be over 80’s who wouldn’t be in restaurants or pubs anyway, strikes me as completely Fackin pointless and a complete waste of time

comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
This is sad

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-56514212
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Very sad but that’s one of thousands.

Wait until the hidden Dementia epidemic and acceleration the lockdown has caused gets revealed, will make even the 150k COVID deaths look small in comparison

Sweden has been in the spotlight after holding out against stay-at-home orders
The country's 7.7% excess in deaths was lower than Spain (18%) or Belgium (16%)
But it fared worse than its Nordic neighbours with Norway having no excess at all
Sweden saw a smaller increase in deaths than most European countries in 2020 despite shunning lockdowns during the pandemic, it has emerged.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
‘Two thirds of them are rejected’
At initial decision, after including appeals it is around 54%

I think the pool of water surrounding the UK might, just might, be a factor in why we take in less than mainland Europe.

The 1980s FACT is completely misleading this is due to Covid-19 not some general trend towards levels from the 80s.
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Bloody "activist" lawyers and their winning appeals by arguing our laws. Regardless of geography, the FACT is immigration is a distractive political football. There are far, far more important matters the Home Secretary should be obsessing about, like the 118 names of women killed at the hands of men read out by Hess Phillips.

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Home secretary is In charge of law enforcement. Murder, sexual violence and domestic abuse all have laws prohibiting them.

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Find a better industry

Germany was going to lockdown, but not now, as Merkel messed up?😲

Ohh Angie😂

comment by Zachsda( Sorry Mr. I broke yer bench) (U1850)
posted 19 minutes ago
Scottish NHS Staff other than Drs. to get a 4% pay rise backdated to December
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👍😀

Salmond having another rattle at Nicola, Zach!😉

Wonder why Merkel wanted lockdown yesterday, but not today?

What changed?

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Paul Brand @PaulBrandITV
NEW: Nurses and some other NHS staff in Scotland will get a 4% pay rise - four times the rise in England. Surely that can’t remain the case for long.

My first minister

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