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comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 hours, 18 minutes ago
I agree about the union flag only if it’s flown upside down
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Are you in distress?

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comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by NPEEE (U22521)
posted 2 minutes ago
Should be said Labour's deeper issues with patriotism and the fact a majority of voters think they hate the country won’t be resolved by flags.
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And certainly not by flag hating
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Imagine wanting to be leader of a people and nation you dislike, lol.

Only in Britain.


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They don’t dislike the nation mate. They just dislike the history, the systems, the performance, the culture, the flag, the economy, the police, the monarchy and the democratic process (when they don’t win).

But remember - they don’t dislike the country

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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 hours, 16 minutes ago
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comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 6 hours, 4 minutes ago
Could we pretend Merkel is Trump doing a u-turn, in order to create debate?😉

While we are at it, could we pretend the violence, civil wars, genocide, slavery, corruption and child abuse, including rape, child brides, beheadings and murder across Africa daily and for years is America, to create debate on that continent!

Why do BLM etc not speak of Africa on our screens, when black people are being butchered in thousands, displaced, kidnapped, enslaved, ethnically cleansed?

Does Africa not matter?😥
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Whataboot, whataboot, whataboot to deflect away from how abysmal this country is run and the clowns in charge of us.
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I'm interested to hear TBABs views on Africa, he clearly has knowledge and it would be educational for us all if he would share what he knows, for, you know, debate.
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Weird comment, while I am highlighting the plight of Africa.

A quick look at what is going on there today would make normal people weep.

And is not to take scrutiny off Boris ffs, lol.

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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
Union flag what an oxymoron.

It's just another right wing culture war front like statues, a complete irrelevance to unite the old fashioned 'Patriots' against the communist traitors and it's being gobbled up by the 'own the libs' brigade.
Rule Britannia lads Boris roolz ok.
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Never understood this. The Left try to topple statues and ban flags, normal people say no thanks. The Left accuse the right of starting a culture war. No wonder they keep losing elections.
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😂😂😂😂

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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 hours, 18 minutes ago
I agree about the union flag only if it’s flown upside down
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Are you in distress?
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He's wearing a dress???
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You are my sage, so behave, mate.haha

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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 51 seconds ago
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posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
Union flag what an oxymoron.

It's just another right wing culture war front like statues, a complete irrelevance to unite the old fashioned 'Patriots' against the communist traitors and it's being gobbled up by the 'own the libs' brigade.
Rule Britannia lads Boris roolz ok.
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Never understood this. The Left try to topple statues and ban flags, normal people say no thanks. The Left accuse the right of starting a culture war. No wonder they keep losing elections.
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😂😂😂😂
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Yup, it is beyond irony.

Mock white van man and English football fans while seeking their votes.

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comment by NPEEE (U22521)
posted 2 minutes ago
Should be said Labour's deeper issues with patriotism and the fact a majority of voters think they hate the country won’t be resolved by flags.
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And certainly not by flag hating
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Imagine wanting to be leader of a people and nation you dislike, lol.

Only in Britain.


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They don’t dislike the nation mate. They just dislike the history, the systems, the performance, the culture, the flag, the economy, the police, the monarchy and the democratic process (when they don’t win).

But remember - they don’t dislike the country
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So true.

comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
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Union flag what an oxymoron.

It's just another right wing culture war front like statues, a complete irrelevance to unite the old fashioned 'Patriots' against the communist traitors and it's being gobbled up by the 'own the libs' brigade.
Rule Britannia lads Boris roolz ok.
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Never understood this. The Left try to topple statues and ban flags, normal people say no thanks. The Left accuse the right of starting a culture war. No wonder they keep losing elections.
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All arguements lead to, 'You're a racist'


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I think as we can see here, that tactic is played out and tiresome now, and people are pushing back against those making a wage or social media hobby through calling the UK a racist hellhole.

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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by NPEEE (U22521)
posted 2 minutes ago
Should be said Labour's deeper issues with patriotism and the fact a majority of voters think they hate the country won’t be resolved by flags.
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And certainly not by flag hating
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Imagine wanting to be leader of a people and nation you dislike, lol.

Only in Britain.


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They don’t dislike the nation mate. They just dislike the history, the systems, the performance, the culture, the flag, the economy, the police, the monarchy and the democratic process (when they don’t win).

But remember - they don’t dislike the country
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And the people. 👍
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They are the worst....

comment by NPEEE (U22521)
posted 6 minutes ago
“ I'm interested to hear TBABs views on Africa, he clearly has knowledge and it would be educational for us all if he would share what he knows, for, you know, debate.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTQbiNvZqaY


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comment by NPEEE (U22521)
posted 4 minutes ago
“ I'm interested to hear TBABs views on Africa, he clearly has knowledge and it would be educational for us all if he would share what he knows, for, you know, debate.”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FTQbiNvZqaY


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Middle of the road tune, mate.haha.

Watching events in parts of Africa right now and I despair how adults can shoot a child in the head, behead them in front of the mother, ethnically cleansed whole regions, kidnap and rape women and children and displace thousands, while we debate Meghan.

Sky have been doing great work in Africa bringing the voices of victims to the world, but as it is Africa, we seem less interested and concerned about fellow humans??

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comment by NPEEE (U22521)
posted 6 minutes ago
“ I'm interested to hear TBABs views on Africa, he clearly has knowledge and it would be educational for us all if he would share what he knows, for, you know, debate.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTQbiNvZqaY


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Toto

If we cannot discuss or empathize with our fellow humans outside "Tory Britain" and highlight suffering in Africa or among Muslims in China, then something is wrong with our moral compass, imho.

Local NI politics bores me at times, as does the endless Boris patter, so like a loon I also look outside these shores.

Just Shoot me, lol

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comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 2 hours, 43 minutes ago

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-56514501

Why does the UK government appear to be obsessed with flags?
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Obsessed is somewhat hyperbolic but I’ll give you my thoughts.

1. Growing resentment to many things British including the flag.
2. Reclaiming its use - it’s been heavily by groups with negative connotations so they’re probably trying to change what people think of when they see the flag
3. The BBC has an axe to grind on the topic as they got pulled up on flags recently
4. Yes I’m sure it’s a tactic to keep and gain further support from those who are more proud of this country than others, don’t really see a problem with that even though we’re supposed to be ashamed of our foreigner-hating, evil country blah blah
5. I struggle to think of another country where the national flag is such an issue for people. Just because a country or a system isn’t perfect doesn’t mean that it’s not right to be proud of it. Perfection doesn’t exist.
6. It’s a nice looking flag 😂
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It's the only thing that unites us. 😂

It's odd that those that have an issue with flags call those that don't flag sh*ggers. It seems the haters are the emotive ones.
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Because they’re behaving childishly, only an extremely immature person would use such a phrase to describe people that like the nations flag.


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Imagine getting so worked up over your own country's flag. 😂
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It’s very strange
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Happy to have stimulated such dialogue between you both.

To be clear, I did say “appear to be obsessed”, which was based on my interpretation as opposed to stating a fact, and so would suggest calling what I said “hyperbolic” is..... HYPERBOLIC

BOOM, GOTCHA! Winner winner chicken dinner!!!

Jesting aside, let me address the substance.

It is genuine resentment or is it embarrassment at the Americanisation in the use of the flag as somehow a proxy of being British? I did think as a nation we were beyond that kind of reductive “flag-waving”.

Who are “they” reclaiming the flag “from”? When I think of it it’s last night of the proms, London 2012, Brexit (which despite my personal objections is obviously popular with at least 18m people). I thought that it was the St George Flag that had been taken by the people I think you’re referencing.

I’m not sure how the policy statement from the government relates to the BBC. When I linked the article I was commenting on the government policy, not the company reporting on it.

I’m not sure who is making you feel ashamed of this country (hopefully not me, despite our political differences!). I would suggest people may feel more ashamed with the UK government as opposed to the UK as a whole.

And is it really an “issue” for people? I mean I find it faintly amusing the sudden surge of flag positioning, and from what I have seen I think that is not an entirely uncommon position, but to say that people with that thought have “an issue” is not something I can agree with.

The flag is absolutely not the only thing that unites us, and I think particularly in parts of Scotland and Northern Ireland it has the opposite effect. Team GB at the olympics, GBBO, the NHS, Strictly, the Lake District. These are the sort of images that are much more uniting in reality than a flag.

comment by NPEEE (U22521)
posted 18 minutes ago
“ I'm interested to hear TBABs views on Africa, he clearly has knowledge and it would be educational for us all if he would share what he knows, for, you know, debate.”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FTQbiNvZqaY


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😂😂😂 I saw the link and was thinking “please be Africa by Toto!!! And it was 😀😀😀

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Adding appears to be doesn’t detract from the choice & use of the word obsessed. It’s still hyperbole. I win.

The flag is a symbol of the country, when I see the flag I think of current and historical items from England & Scotland mostly because I’m half/half. The point is that I don’t reference negative items like so many do these days. I cannot think of another nation that automatically thinks of all the negatives first when they see their national flag. It’s a really bizarre and unhealthy way to think, a very unhealthy pathology that is very commonplace among the left.

Doesn’t mean you have to have Union Jack bedding and bang one out with it whilst singing RULE BRITANNIA.

There are two extremes as often is the case with this. Those that have Union jacks everywhere and those that think of negatives when they see the flag and bring it up often as a point of snobby derision.

Personally I’m not too fussed, it’s just a flag. But when I read some of the anti-flag, anti-Britain rhetoric on places like here, I will set out my disagreement.

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posted 11 minutes ago
comment by NPEEE (U22521)
posted 18 minutes ago
“ I'm interested to hear TBABs views on Africa, he clearly has knowledge and it would be educational for us all if he would share what he knows, for, you know, debate.”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FTQbiNvZqaY


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😂😂😂 I saw the link and was thinking “please be Africa by Toto!!! And it was 😀😀😀
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Am away down....