It was the very question I asked myself way before VVD was even an option for Liverpool.
They play so expansive football up front no matter how good a defender you are it is going to be very hard to keep a counter attack in check. (I do believe VVD is up there with some of the best)
I think we will see the best of him next season though when the Midfield is a hell of a lot stronger
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comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 7 minutes ago
He will be more exposed, sure. He'll also make less individual mistakes and is a better organiser and offers far more aerial strength and pace. So....
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Oh without doubt he will improve you for the rest of the season but until you sure up the DM next season you won't see the best in him. I would be very tempted to stick Gomez in the centre with him as the kid has such a mature head it will give both of them confidence to see out most attacks in the Premiership without much hassle
A lot of our goals are down to individual error, rather than systematic error.
I agree the system makes it difficult for most defenders and they are left isolated and can get done easily on the counter. However that's the whole point of signing VVD and why he was worth so much to us. He has the pace, the recovery time and the ability on the ball, not to panic when faced with these situations. Also we sometimes go into panic mode and teams start hitting crosses in, which our defenders, even 6'5 Matip struggle with. VVD is one of the best in the league at dealing with that.
comment by If anyone can, Emre Can (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
A lot of our goals are down to individual error, rather than systematic error.
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Morning Mate....Not sure I'm buying this argument. Surely if you play an aggressive high press/ expansive attacking game then you are always leaving yourself open to the counter attack. That in itself puts greater pressure on defenders and as a consequence individual errors are made !
I hope for your sake Keita is as good as everyone says because Liverpool like Arsenal play fantastic attacking football but their defenders always look vulnerable (despite being good players) because of the lack of protection in front of them.
Perhaps this is best illustrated by the big differential between your goals conceded at home and away. At Anfield I guess most teams try to park the bus and the defenders don't have to do that much defending
I think Klopp now has to be true to his word that he could write a book on defending. Either way, signing VVD is a good start
comment by Scribe is back (U18092)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 7 minutes ago
He will be more exposed, sure. He'll also make less individual mistakes and is a better organiser and offers far more aerial strength and pace. So....
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Oh without doubt he will improve you for the rest of the season but until you sure up the DM next season you won't see the best in him. I would be very tempted to stick Gomez in the centre with him as the kid has such a mature head it will give both of them confidence to see out most attacks in the Premiership without much hassle
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I'm not sure we are gonna change the system and play with a defensive midfielder next season. Or if we really need to, certainly not most games anyhow. The system we have now seems to be working considering we concede the least chances in the league and create the most. It's about making less errors and being more composed. Hopefully VVD can make a massive difference there.
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by If anyone can, Emre Can (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
A lot of our goals are down to individual error, rather than systematic error.
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Morning Mate....Not sure I'm buying this argument. Surely if you play an aggressive high press/ expansive attacking game then you are always leaving yourself open to the counter attack. That in itself puts greater pressure on defenders and as a consequence individual errors are made !
I hope for your sake Keita is as good as everyone says because Liverpool like Arsenal play fantastic attacking football but their defenders always look vulnerable (despite being good players) because of the lack of protection in front of them.
Perhaps this is best illustrated by the big differential between your goals conceded at home and away. At Anfield I guess most teams try to park the bus and the defenders don't have to do that much defending
I think Klopp now has to be true to his word that he could write a book on defending. Either way, signing VVD is a good start
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Keita isn't going to offer much protection to the defence. He'll fit in with the pressing in midfield but he will be used to get on the ball and take it forward.
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by If anyone can, Emre Can (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
A lot of our goals are down to individual error, rather than systematic error.
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Morning Mate....Not sure I'm buying this argument. Surely if you play an aggressive high press/ expansive attacking game then you are always leaving yourself open to the counter attack. That in itself puts greater pressure on defenders and as a consequence individual errors are made !
I hope for your sake Keita is as good as everyone says because Liverpool like Arsenal play fantastic attacking football but their defenders always look vulnerable (despite being good players) because of the lack of protection in front of them.
Perhaps this is best illustrated by the big differential between your goals conceded at home and away. At Anfield I guess most teams try to park the bus and the defenders don't have to do that much defending
I think Klopp now has to be true to his word that he could write a book on defending. Either way, signing VVD is a good start
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How much do you watch Liverpool?
I do think we would benefit even further by having a true defensive midfielder but having a better centre back will dramatically help the way we defend.
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by If anyone can, Emre Can (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
A lot of our goals are down to individual error, rather than systematic error.
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Morning Mate....Not sure I'm buying this argument. Surely if you play an aggressive high press/ expansive attacking game then you are always leaving yourself open to the counter attack. That in itself puts greater pressure on defenders and as a consequence individual errors are made !
I hope for your sake Keita is as good as everyone says because Liverpool like Arsenal play fantastic attacking football but their defenders always look vulnerable (despite being good players) because of the lack of protection in front of them.
Perhaps this is best illustrated by the big differential between your goals conceded at home and away. At Anfield I guess most teams try to park the bus and the defenders don't have to do that much defending
I think Klopp now has to be true to his word that he could write a book on defending. Either way, signing VVD is a good start
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It's definitely a valid argument. Look at Lovren's performance at Spurs and Moreno's at Sevilla. Both made needless individual errors that proved costly. VVD will not make such stupid mistakes and will give confidence to those around him.
He's still got to play in front of Mignolet.
They badly need to replace him as soon as possible, he's capable of losing you points, ties, friends, hair, love of the game.
Butland would be the obvious one but he seems to spend too long injured. Would be great to see them go for Oblak or someone like that.
comment by If anyone can, Emre Can (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by If anyone can, Emre Can (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
A lot of our goals are down to individual error, rather than systematic error.
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Morning Mate....Not sure I'm buying this argument. Surely if you play an aggressive high press/ expansive attacking game then you are always leaving yourself open to the counter attack. That in itself puts greater pressure on defenders and as a consequence individual errors are made !
I hope for your sake Keita is as good as everyone says because Liverpool like Arsenal play fantastic attacking football but their defenders always look vulnerable (despite being good players) because of the lack of protection in front of them.
Perhaps this is best illustrated by the big differential between your goals conceded at home and away. At Anfield I guess most teams try to park the bus and the defenders don't have to do that much defending
I think Klopp now has to be true to his word that he could write a book on defending. Either way, signing VVD is a good start
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How much do you watch Liverpool?
I do think we would benefit even further by having a true defensive midfielder but having a better centre back will dramatically help the way we defend.
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Im lucky, I live in the US & all the big 6 games are shown live so I watch them a lot. I love watching them and all your points are bang on. From what Ive seen, I think... Robertson, VVD, Matip & Clyne is a good back 4. Cant say I rate either keeper. Any combo of your attacking 6 or 7 is great... Love the fluidity. The Biggest problem I think you have Vs the best sides is the center of Midfield.... simply don't rate Handerson & Gigi..... If Keita is the real deal & adapts quickly then you might be the best challengers to City next year. My point was more about defensive protection. If you look at the most consistent teams of the past few years, they all have a disciplined DM.... Kante, Matic, Wanyama, Dier, Fernandinho, Drinkwater. They are priceless and allow all the fancy Dans to play
We lack a dominant leader at the back. This is what VVD will give us.
Brain has spoken so that’s that.
VVD
A few points.
1, to say he won’t improve us is wrong, better players means you will be better it’s simple really.
2, if anyone thinks that we concede goals due to our style of play then you don’t watch us. We don’t concede goals because everyone is up the other end playing kamikaze football. We virtually always concede from set pieces and individual mistakes, let’s look at the Arsenal game.
First goal was conceded from a free kick crossed into the box and Gomez not attacking it and Mignolet not coming for it.
Second goal was a total balls up from the keeper and he could’ve done better for the third.
Add in the fact we totally fell apart for 8 mins and you can see why VVD will improve us.
He leads the league in duels won in the air and he’s a leader. Yes we need a keeper and a better DM but non of us are saying VVD is the one player we need, he’s simply going to make us better.
If anyone thinks its our system theyre not watching our games. Its always down to individual error. We concede least shots in the league so our defence is not under that much pressure. Our current CBs arent good enough. VVD will undoubtedly improve us. Then we need to sort a GK next.
comment by (Kash) I'm the Mané, I'm the ... (U1108)
posted 39 minutes ago
We lack a dominant leader at the back. This is what VVD will give us.
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Kash, you've hit the nail right on the thumb. How many times have we seen the team, in supposed defence mode - from a free kick, a corner - and nobody is barking out orders as to who goes where, who is picking up who from the opposition. Hopefully VvD can take that job.
On the issue of Jurgen and the vitriol it's developed on him being a hypocrite etc., it seems to have escaped everyone's attention that, as ever I'm sure, he didn't set the price.
The scene, as envisaged by me:
Act 1 Scene 1 - Jurgen says to the hierarchy at LFC, "I want VvD". Here endeth his involvement, any involvement in the purchase of the player
Act 1 Scene 2 - Jurgen falls back, exhausted. He is carried away, his work is done, his involvement is over.
Act 2 Scene 1 - some other geezer becomes involved in kick starting negotiations. Jurgen is nowhere to be seen or heard of.
Time break.
Act 3 Scene 1 LFC - not JK, he can't even get a walk-on part - announces that VvD will become a Liverpool player on 1.1.18
Act 3 Scene 2 - Scenes of wild criticism, knashing of teeth, accusations of hypocrisy, cheating, handbags, the whole nine yards ...
... by people who dont realise how more central to LFC's style of play VvD will be than if he went to their club.
Oh yeah, nearly forgot:
Act 4 Scene 1 - jealousy, pure and simple from embittered fans of clubs who didn't get the man.
Anybody who doesn't rate Wijnaldum doesn't watch us much he's been excellent since he joined especially at Anfield.
comment by JimmyTheRed (U1682)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by (Kash) I'm the Mané, I'm the ... (U1108)
posted 39 minutes ago
We lack a dominant leader at the back. This is what VVD will give us.
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Kash, you've hit the nail right on the thumb. How many times have we seen the team, in supposed defence mode - from a free kick, a corner - and nobody is barking out orders as to who goes where, who is picking up who from the opposition. Hopefully VvD can take that job.
On the issue of Jurgen and the vitriol it's developed on him being a hypocrite etc., it seems to have escaped everyone's attention that, as ever I'm sure, he didn't set the price.
The scene, as envisaged by me:
Act 1 Scene 1 - Jurgen says to the hierarchy at LFC, "I want VvD". Here endeth his involvement, any involvement in the purchase of the player
Act 1 Scene 2 - Jurgen falls back, exhausted. He is carried away, his work is done, his involvement is over.
Act 2 Scene 1 - some other geezer becomes involved in kick starting negotiations. Jurgen is nowhere to be seen or heard of.
Time break.
Act 3 Scene 1 LFC - not JK, he can't even get a walk-on part - announces that VvD will become a Liverpool player on 1.1.18
Act 3 Scene 2 - Scenes of wild criticism, knashing of teeth, accusations of hypocrisy, cheating, handbags, the whole nine yards ...
... by people who dont realise how more central to LFC's style of play VvD will be than if he went to their club.
Oh yeah, nearly forgot:
Act 4 Scene 1 - jealousy, pure and simple from embittered fans of clubs who didn't get the man.
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You really aren't normal, are you?
Op....bolox mate!
Our defensive errors are 90% individual errors...lovren, mignolet and moreno. VVD in place of lovren, robertson in place of moreno. Less mistakes fella because they are better players...QED!!
Better players is always good.
We don't need to improve significantly either. A couple of draws out of the eight we have being wins would make our position very strong for this stage of our development.
I'd also be confident in bigger games against better strikers.
comment by Got_Better (U6241)
posted 43 minutes ago
Op....bolox mate!
Our defensive errors are 90% individual errors...lovren, mignolet and moreno. VVD in place of lovren, robertson in place of moreno. Less mistakes fella because they are better players...QED!!
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Partly caused by defensive players being put under pressure by the system
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Got_Better (U6241)
posted 43 minutes ago
Op....bolox mate!
Our defensive errors are 90% individual errors...lovren, mignolet and moreno. VVD in place of lovren, robertson in place of moreno. Less mistakes fella because they are better players...QED!!
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Partly caused by defensive players being put under pressure by the system
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Mostly needless mistakes.
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Got_Better (U6241)
posted 43 minutes ago
Op....bolox mate!
Our defensive errors are 90% individual errors...lovren, mignolet and moreno. VVD in place of lovren, robertson in place of moreno. Less mistakes fella because they are better players...QED!!
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Partly caused by defensive players being put under pressure by the system
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Pressure exists at all big clubs. Our system doesn’t make Lovren et al make the plethora of mistakes we’ve witnessed over the last couple of seasons. It’s individuals not making the right decisions at the right times - that’ll always separate good players from great players.
Overrated 75 million times. Clown player. The mousers did the same with comedy Lovren.
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posted on 29/12/17
It was the very question I asked myself way before VVD was even an option for Liverpool.
They play so expansive football up front no matter how good a defender you are it is going to be very hard to keep a counter attack in check. (I do believe VVD is up there with some of the best)
I think we will see the best of him next season though when the Midfield is a hell of a lot stronger
posted on 29/12/17
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posted on 29/12/17
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 7 minutes ago
He will be more exposed, sure. He'll also make less individual mistakes and is a better organiser and offers far more aerial strength and pace. So....
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Oh without doubt he will improve you for the rest of the season but until you sure up the DM next season you won't see the best in him. I would be very tempted to stick Gomez in the centre with him as the kid has such a mature head it will give both of them confidence to see out most attacks in the Premiership without much hassle
posted on 29/12/17
A lot of our goals are down to individual error, rather than systematic error.
posted on 29/12/17
I agree the system makes it difficult for most defenders and they are left isolated and can get done easily on the counter. However that's the whole point of signing VVD and why he was worth so much to us. He has the pace, the recovery time and the ability on the ball, not to panic when faced with these situations. Also we sometimes go into panic mode and teams start hitting crosses in, which our defenders, even 6'5 Matip struggle with. VVD is one of the best in the league at dealing with that.
posted on 29/12/17
comment by If anyone can, Emre Can (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
A lot of our goals are down to individual error, rather than systematic error.
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Morning Mate....Not sure I'm buying this argument. Surely if you play an aggressive high press/ expansive attacking game then you are always leaving yourself open to the counter attack. That in itself puts greater pressure on defenders and as a consequence individual errors are made !
I hope for your sake Keita is as good as everyone says because Liverpool like Arsenal play fantastic attacking football but their defenders always look vulnerable (despite being good players) because of the lack of protection in front of them.
Perhaps this is best illustrated by the big differential between your goals conceded at home and away. At Anfield I guess most teams try to park the bus and the defenders don't have to do that much defending
I think Klopp now has to be true to his word that he could write a book on defending. Either way, signing VVD is a good start
posted on 29/12/17
comment by Scribe is back (U18092)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 7 minutes ago
He will be more exposed, sure. He'll also make less individual mistakes and is a better organiser and offers far more aerial strength and pace. So....
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Oh without doubt he will improve you for the rest of the season but until you sure up the DM next season you won't see the best in him. I would be very tempted to stick Gomez in the centre with him as the kid has such a mature head it will give both of them confidence to see out most attacks in the Premiership without much hassle
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I'm not sure we are gonna change the system and play with a defensive midfielder next season. Or if we really need to, certainly not most games anyhow. The system we have now seems to be working considering we concede the least chances in the league and create the most. It's about making less errors and being more composed. Hopefully VVD can make a massive difference there.
posted on 29/12/17
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by If anyone can, Emre Can (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
A lot of our goals are down to individual error, rather than systematic error.
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Morning Mate....Not sure I'm buying this argument. Surely if you play an aggressive high press/ expansive attacking game then you are always leaving yourself open to the counter attack. That in itself puts greater pressure on defenders and as a consequence individual errors are made !
I hope for your sake Keita is as good as everyone says because Liverpool like Arsenal play fantastic attacking football but their defenders always look vulnerable (despite being good players) because of the lack of protection in front of them.
Perhaps this is best illustrated by the big differential between your goals conceded at home and away. At Anfield I guess most teams try to park the bus and the defenders don't have to do that much defending
I think Klopp now has to be true to his word that he could write a book on defending. Either way, signing VVD is a good start
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Keita isn't going to offer much protection to the defence. He'll fit in with the pressing in midfield but he will be used to get on the ball and take it forward.
posted on 29/12/17
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by If anyone can, Emre Can (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
A lot of our goals are down to individual error, rather than systematic error.
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Morning Mate....Not sure I'm buying this argument. Surely if you play an aggressive high press/ expansive attacking game then you are always leaving yourself open to the counter attack. That in itself puts greater pressure on defenders and as a consequence individual errors are made !
I hope for your sake Keita is as good as everyone says because Liverpool like Arsenal play fantastic attacking football but their defenders always look vulnerable (despite being good players) because of the lack of protection in front of them.
Perhaps this is best illustrated by the big differential between your goals conceded at home and away. At Anfield I guess most teams try to park the bus and the defenders don't have to do that much defending
I think Klopp now has to be true to his word that he could write a book on defending. Either way, signing VVD is a good start
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How much do you watch Liverpool?
I do think we would benefit even further by having a true defensive midfielder but having a better centre back will dramatically help the way we defend.
posted on 29/12/17
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by If anyone can, Emre Can (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
A lot of our goals are down to individual error, rather than systematic error.
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Morning Mate....Not sure I'm buying this argument. Surely if you play an aggressive high press/ expansive attacking game then you are always leaving yourself open to the counter attack. That in itself puts greater pressure on defenders and as a consequence individual errors are made !
I hope for your sake Keita is as good as everyone says because Liverpool like Arsenal play fantastic attacking football but their defenders always look vulnerable (despite being good players) because of the lack of protection in front of them.
Perhaps this is best illustrated by the big differential between your goals conceded at home and away. At Anfield I guess most teams try to park the bus and the defenders don't have to do that much defending
I think Klopp now has to be true to his word that he could write a book on defending. Either way, signing VVD is a good start
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's definitely a valid argument. Look at Lovren's performance at Spurs and Moreno's at Sevilla. Both made needless individual errors that proved costly. VVD will not make such stupid mistakes and will give confidence to those around him.
posted on 29/12/17
He's still got to play in front of Mignolet.
They badly need to replace him as soon as possible, he's capable of losing you points, ties, friends, hair, love of the game.
Butland would be the obvious one but he seems to spend too long injured. Would be great to see them go for Oblak or someone like that.
posted on 29/12/17
comment by If anyone can, Emre Can (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by If anyone can, Emre Can (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
A lot of our goals are down to individual error, rather than systematic error.
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Morning Mate....Not sure I'm buying this argument. Surely if you play an aggressive high press/ expansive attacking game then you are always leaving yourself open to the counter attack. That in itself puts greater pressure on defenders and as a consequence individual errors are made !
I hope for your sake Keita is as good as everyone says because Liverpool like Arsenal play fantastic attacking football but their defenders always look vulnerable (despite being good players) because of the lack of protection in front of them.
Perhaps this is best illustrated by the big differential between your goals conceded at home and away. At Anfield I guess most teams try to park the bus and the defenders don't have to do that much defending
I think Klopp now has to be true to his word that he could write a book on defending. Either way, signing VVD is a good start
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How much do you watch Liverpool?
I do think we would benefit even further by having a true defensive midfielder but having a better centre back will dramatically help the way we defend.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Im lucky, I live in the US & all the big 6 games are shown live so I watch them a lot. I love watching them and all your points are bang on. From what Ive seen, I think... Robertson, VVD, Matip & Clyne is a good back 4. Cant say I rate either keeper. Any combo of your attacking 6 or 7 is great... Love the fluidity. The Biggest problem I think you have Vs the best sides is the center of Midfield.... simply don't rate Handerson & Gigi..... If Keita is the real deal & adapts quickly then you might be the best challengers to City next year. My point was more about defensive protection. If you look at the most consistent teams of the past few years, they all have a disciplined DM.... Kante, Matic, Wanyama, Dier, Fernandinho, Drinkwater. They are priceless and allow all the fancy Dans to play
posted on 29/12/17
We lack a dominant leader at the back. This is what VVD will give us.
posted on 29/12/17
Brain has spoken so that’s that.
VVD
posted on 29/12/17
A few points.
1, to say he won’t improve us is wrong, better players means you will be better it’s simple really.
2, if anyone thinks that we concede goals due to our style of play then you don’t watch us. We don’t concede goals because everyone is up the other end playing kamikaze football. We virtually always concede from set pieces and individual mistakes, let’s look at the Arsenal game.
First goal was conceded from a free kick crossed into the box and Gomez not attacking it and Mignolet not coming for it.
Second goal was a total balls up from the keeper and he could’ve done better for the third.
Add in the fact we totally fell apart for 8 mins and you can see why VVD will improve us.
He leads the league in duels won in the air and he’s a leader. Yes we need a keeper and a better DM but non of us are saying VVD is the one player we need, he’s simply going to make us better.
posted on 29/12/17
If anyone thinks its our system theyre not watching our games. Its always down to individual error. We concede least shots in the league so our defence is not under that much pressure. Our current CBs arent good enough. VVD will undoubtedly improve us. Then we need to sort a GK next.
posted on 29/12/17
comment by (Kash) I'm the Mané, I'm the ... (U1108)
posted 39 minutes ago
We lack a dominant leader at the back. This is what VVD will give us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Kash, you've hit the nail right on the thumb. How many times have we seen the team, in supposed defence mode - from a free kick, a corner - and nobody is barking out orders as to who goes where, who is picking up who from the opposition. Hopefully VvD can take that job.
On the issue of Jurgen and the vitriol it's developed on him being a hypocrite etc., it seems to have escaped everyone's attention that, as ever I'm sure, he didn't set the price.
The scene, as envisaged by me:
Act 1 Scene 1 - Jurgen says to the hierarchy at LFC, "I want VvD". Here endeth his involvement, any involvement in the purchase of the player
Act 1 Scene 2 - Jurgen falls back, exhausted. He is carried away, his work is done, his involvement is over.
Act 2 Scene 1 - some other geezer becomes involved in kick starting negotiations. Jurgen is nowhere to be seen or heard of.
Time break.
Act 3 Scene 1 LFC - not JK, he can't even get a walk-on part - announces that VvD will become a Liverpool player on 1.1.18
Act 3 Scene 2 - Scenes of wild criticism, knashing of teeth, accusations of hypocrisy, cheating, handbags, the whole nine yards ...
... by people who dont realise how more central to LFC's style of play VvD will be than if he went to their club.
Oh yeah, nearly forgot:
Act 4 Scene 1 - jealousy, pure and simple from embittered fans of clubs who didn't get the man.
posted on 29/12/17
Anybody who doesn't rate Wijnaldum doesn't watch us much he's been excellent since he joined especially at Anfield.
posted on 29/12/17
comment by JimmyTheRed (U1682)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by (Kash) I'm the Mané, I'm the ... (U1108)
posted 39 minutes ago
We lack a dominant leader at the back. This is what VVD will give us.
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Kash, you've hit the nail right on the thumb. How many times have we seen the team, in supposed defence mode - from a free kick, a corner - and nobody is barking out orders as to who goes where, who is picking up who from the opposition. Hopefully VvD can take that job.
On the issue of Jurgen and the vitriol it's developed on him being a hypocrite etc., it seems to have escaped everyone's attention that, as ever I'm sure, he didn't set the price.
The scene, as envisaged by me:
Act 1 Scene 1 - Jurgen says to the hierarchy at LFC, "I want VvD". Here endeth his involvement, any involvement in the purchase of the player
Act 1 Scene 2 - Jurgen falls back, exhausted. He is carried away, his work is done, his involvement is over.
Act 2 Scene 1 - some other geezer becomes involved in kick starting negotiations. Jurgen is nowhere to be seen or heard of.
Time break.
Act 3 Scene 1 LFC - not JK, he can't even get a walk-on part - announces that VvD will become a Liverpool player on 1.1.18
Act 3 Scene 2 - Scenes of wild criticism, knashing of teeth, accusations of hypocrisy, cheating, handbags, the whole nine yards ...
... by people who dont realise how more central to LFC's style of play VvD will be than if he went to their club.
Oh yeah, nearly forgot:
Act 4 Scene 1 - jealousy, pure and simple from embittered fans of clubs who didn't get the man.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You really aren't normal, are you?
posted on 29/12/17
Op....bolox mate!
Our defensive errors are 90% individual errors...lovren, mignolet and moreno. VVD in place of lovren, robertson in place of moreno. Less mistakes fella because they are better players...QED!!
posted on 29/12/17
Better players is always good.
We don't need to improve significantly either. A couple of draws out of the eight we have being wins would make our position very strong for this stage of our development.
I'd also be confident in bigger games against better strikers.
posted on 29/12/17
comment by Got_Better (U6241)
posted 43 minutes ago
Op....bolox mate!
Our defensive errors are 90% individual errors...lovren, mignolet and moreno. VVD in place of lovren, robertson in place of moreno. Less mistakes fella because they are better players...QED!!
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Partly caused by defensive players being put under pressure by the system
posted on 29/12/17
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Got_Better (U6241)
posted 43 minutes ago
Op....bolox mate!
Our defensive errors are 90% individual errors...lovren, mignolet and moreno. VVD in place of lovren, robertson in place of moreno. Less mistakes fella because they are better players...QED!!
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Partly caused by defensive players being put under pressure by the system
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Mostly needless mistakes.
posted on 29/12/17
comment by Brain (U18701)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Got_Better (U6241)
posted 43 minutes ago
Op....bolox mate!
Our defensive errors are 90% individual errors...lovren, mignolet and moreno. VVD in place of lovren, robertson in place of moreno. Less mistakes fella because they are better players...QED!!
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Partly caused by defensive players being put under pressure by the system
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Pressure exists at all big clubs. Our system doesn’t make Lovren et al make the plethora of mistakes we’ve witnessed over the last couple of seasons. It’s individuals not making the right decisions at the right times - that’ll always separate good players from great players.
posted on 29/12/17
Overrated 75 million times. Clown player. The mousers did the same with comedy Lovren.
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