comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 41 seconds ago
https://www.trtworld.com/americas/why-are-african-americans-subject-to-more-police-violence-37031

And my final contribution ..

"Police killed more than 1,000 people in 2019, almost a quarter of them of African-American descent, according to research group Mapping Police Violence, which says it tracks 90 percent of police killings. Black people are three times more likely to be killed by police than their white counterparts. And when they are shot by police, they are twice as likely to be unarmed"
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Oh dear. We’ve been over this so many times already Robb. If they’re proportionately committing way more crimes than white people then of course they’re going to fall foul way more times...

It’s like playing the lottery but the prize is getting shot by the pigs and buying a ticket is committing a crime. If you buy more tickets you’re more likely to win the lottery.

It’s not hard to understand

FYI - I’ll note this for you because you seem to really misunderstand people. There are racist police officers, of course. There will have been racist killings of black people, of course. The police officer who sat on his neck for 9 minutes deserved everything he gets and probably more (racially motivated or not). But that does not mean that there is an institutional and systemic problem with racism.

Nobb

Where is this comment you are lying about?

You have been getting well wellied with your stupid views tonight.

It’s a bit reductive to be looking at the issues of racism, based on how many black people are killed by the police in comparison to white people, but here we are.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
‘I live in a society,’ Malcolm X said, ‘which has more subtle methods to make the rest of the world think it’s cleaning up its house while the same things are happening to us in 1964 that happened in 1954, 1924 and 1894.’

Imagine the fact this was uttered over half a century ago, and his words ring true in our ears today. This is why there’s protesting. People have had enough of talking.
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And what did MLK say?
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“Violence as a way of achieving racial justice is both impractical and immoral. It is impractical because it is a descending spiral ending in destruction for all. The old law of an eye for an eye leaves everybody blind. It is immoral because it seeks to humiliate the opponent rather than win his understanding; it seeks to annihilate rather than to convert. Violence is immoral because it thrives on hatred rather than love. It destroys community and makes brotherhood impossible. It leaves society in monologue rather than dialogue. Violence ends by defeating itself. It creates bitterness in the survivors and brutality in the destroyers.”

Martin Luther King, Jr.

comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
There is a racism problem as well as a police brutality problem. Also there's a social imbalance problem.

But some people are conflating all these problems into just a racism problem. And that's the problem.

Do you see the problem some might have with this problem?
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If there’s potential to address both of those problems why is it such a problem?

I agree that a lot can be conflated, though I disagree with a lot of the instances when they supposedly are, but it brings the racial and social imbalance into the equation. Trying to dissect these issues, to play down one, really doesn’t help the other.
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I would say it becomes a problem because you end up with people arguing the facts and stats instead of fight the problem united, like on this thread.
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But that’s exactly what my point is, and what you are doing, because the issue because more about proving the point about things not being bad rather than addressing the actual issues.
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But that's when happens when people conflate or over simplify things, you then need to deconstruct it in order to solve it.

I mean, you have Robb saying the problem is just about stopping cops shooting black people. It's a little bit more than that.

comment by The Tuesday Club🍷🍻🍹🍸 (U14109)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
‘I live in a society,’ Malcolm X said, ‘which has more subtle methods to make the rest of the world think it’s cleaning up its house while the same things are happening to us in 1964 that happened in 1954, 1924 and 1894.’

Imagine the fact this was uttered over half a century ago, and his words ring true in our ears today. This is why there’s protesting. People have had enough of talking.
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And what did MLK say?
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“Violence as a way of achieving racial justice is both impractical and immoral. It is impractical because it is a descending spiral ending in destruction for all. The old law of an eye for an eye leaves everybody blind. It is immoral because it seeks to humiliate the opponent rather than win his understanding; it seeks to annihilate rather than to convert. Violence is immoral because it thrives on hatred rather than love. It destroys community and makes brotherhood impossible. It leaves society in monologue rather than dialogue. Violence ends by defeating itself. It creates bitterness in the survivors and brutality in the destroyers.”

Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Exactly thank you

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
There is a racism problem as well as a police brutality problem. Also there's a social imbalance problem.

But some people are conflating all these problems into just a racism problem. And that's the problem.

Do you see the problem some might have with this problem?
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If there’s potential to address both of those problems why is it such a problem?

I agree that a lot can be conflated, though I disagree with a lot of the instances when they supposedly are, but it brings the racial and social imbalance into the equation. Trying to dissect these issues, to play down one, really doesn’t help the other.
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I would say it becomes a problem because you end up with people arguing the facts and stats instead of fight the problem united, like on this thread.
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I think the stats are important to determine if there is a problem.

And I'm not taking about racism in general there. Just this idea that a disproportionate number of unarmed black people are being killed by police.
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Yep, you then have to use stats if people exaggerate or oversimplify. They think it helps, but it just causes more arguments.

comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 57 seconds ago
Scrap that - it's a percentage of how many unarmed out of those that were killed. So a higher proportion of black people killed by police were unarmed than white people

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Are you slow?

9 unarmed black people were killed by police officers last year.

And you're stating because their is a 0.3 difference between this figure and white deaths, it supports institutional racism?

Again people who don't understand statistics, or have an agenda making stupid assertions.
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God you come across a such a caaant man

From 2013-2019, 17% of black people killed by police were unarmed, as opposed to the 12% of white people who were killed by police that were unarmed.

Plus all off this is thrown off by the bias shown before the arrest, like how black men under 25 are twice as likely to be pulled over by the police than white men under 25, despite the fact that white drivers are found to possess contraband twice as frequently

Now maybe I'm interpreting this data incorrectly, seeing as I dont understand statistics and I have an agenda, but I don't really wanna discuss it with you since we're obviously not going to agree on it

Plus you know, you called me slow which wasn't great

Yep, you then have to use stats if people exaggerate or oversimplify. They think it helps, but it just causes more arguments.

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Why use evidence or facts at all.

Every white person is racist.

Every police officer is racist.

White people murder black people every day at record rates.

Who cares what the figures actually show.

Ill stop posting there. Basically like arguing against people who still think the earth is flat. Evidence doesn't matter in their minds, merely gets in the way.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
Nobb

Where is this comment you are lying about?

You have been getting well wellied with your stupid views tonight.
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Here’s the comment ..

"From this mornings news the Rev Al Sharpton, some activist rapper called Killer Mike and even Fox News had a clip where all were condemning the rioting, arson and looting."

The comment here is...‘even Fox News had a clip condemning the rioting’..

Well, duh. No shiiiit Sherlock. 🙄🙄🙄

As for being ‘wellied’ tonight, you must be reading a different thread. Of course you’ll come in at the end and not take part. Because you’ve already said ‘all lives matter’ the other day without understanding how ignorant you are when you say that.

So VC, you don’t understand what’s happening with all these protests. You even said they would be forgotten. Good luck with that.

comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 48 seconds ago
It’s a bit reductive to be looking at the issues of racism, based on how many black people are killed by the police in comparison to white people, but here we are.
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when you think the world is ready to address the problem of racism, you read a thread like this and realise that there are so many people who are simply racists or simply in denial

Well I don’t think Rob’s been doing that. It’s more that people are trying to deflect from the heart of the issue. And by using this deflection, and trying to blame others for bringing these issues up, it solves nothing and has no practical solution that you pretend is happening.

comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Ron (U1646)
posted 57 seconds ago
Scrap that - it's a percentage of how many unarmed out of those that were killed. So a higher proportion of black people killed by police were unarmed than white people

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Are you slow?

9 unarmed black people were killed by police officers last year.

And you're stating because their is a 0.3 difference between this figure and white deaths, it supports institutional racism?

Again people who don't understand statistics, or have an agenda making stupid assertions.
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God you come across a such a caaant man

From 2013-2019, 17% of black people killed by police were unarmed, as opposed to the 12% of white people who were killed by police that were unarmed.

Plus all off this is thrown off by the bias shown before the arrest, like how black men under 25 are twice as likely to be pulled over by the police than white men under 25, despite the fact that white drivers are found to possess contraband twice as frequently

Now maybe I'm interpreting this data incorrectly, seeing as I dont understand statistics and I have an agenda, but I don't really wanna discuss it with you since we're obviously not going to agree on it

Plus you know, you called me slow which wasn't great
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😂 yes calling you slow was certainly uncalled for.

There is a discussion about initial prejudice as you mention pulling over black propel more than white people etc therefore leading to a change in the later stats and one could say that they do that because they commit more crimes etc and therefore conclude that it’s self-perpetuating and/or chicken or the egg type scenario. And we could go on like that for years, literally.

Which is why I think that society needs to talk about solutions and I truly believe that the main causal factors are social, economic, cultural etc.

God you come across a such a caaant man

From 2013-2019, 17% of black people killed by police were unarmed, as opposed to the 12% of white people who were killed by police that were unarmed.

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Of course I come across as a cannnttt.. I have lost patience with speaking to stupid people like you.

So there is a 5 percent difference between black and white people who were unarmed being killed?

Lets say that is true.

So 9 unarmed black people were killed last year, so 5 percent of that would equate to around 8.6 white people based on the same arrests?

So you're saying 9 unarmed black people a year being killed versus 8.6 white people, shows institutional racism? Do you understand how stupid that sounds?

You still won't understand the point I am making, because you're thick.

Yes you don't understand statistics/are thick as pig sheeet, or have an agenda.

Goodnight.

comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 48 seconds ago
It’s a bit reductive to be looking at the issues of racism, based on how many black people are killed by the police in comparison to white people, but here we are.
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when you think the world is ready to address the problem of racism, you read a thread like this and realise that there are so many people who are simply racists or simply in denial
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So I’m either racist or in denial, is that right?

Ron’s an even better example of what I said earlier. White people feeling victimised by institutional racism being pointed out.

‘Oh no, we aren’t all racist let me show stats why we aren’t and why it’s not this problem that the ‘left’ portray it as.’

It’s pathetic. And as long as these violinists exist we’ll never have equality.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 48 seconds ago
It’s a bit reductive to be looking at the issues of racism, based on how many black people are killed by the police in comparison to white people, but here we are.
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when you think the world is ready to address the problem of racism, you read a thread like this and realise that there are so many people who are simply racists or simply in denial
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So I’m either racist or in denial, is that right?
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your words
and I am not as patient as robb
goodnight

comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 4 seconds ago
Ron’s an even better example of what I said earlier. White people feeling victimised by institutional racism being pointed out.

‘Oh no, we aren’t all racist let me show stats why we aren’t and why it’s not this problem that the ‘left’ portray it as.’

It’s pathetic. And as long as these violinists exist we’ll never have equality.
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I was the one who mostly posted statistics, so I’m pathetic and presumably racist and don’t believe in equality?

I think you seriously need to have a look at your views here and how you are coming across sir.

when you think the world is ready to address the problem of racism, you read a thread like this and realise that there are so many people who are simply racists or simply in denial

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And a higher percentage who are neither.

comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 48 seconds ago
It’s a bit reductive to be looking at the issues of racism, based on how many black people are killed by the police in comparison to white people, but here we are.
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when you think the world is ready to address the problem of racism, you read a thread like this and realise that there are so many people who are simply racists or simply in denial
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So I’m either racist or in denial, is that right?
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your words
and I am not as patient as robb
goodnight
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No, they were your words?

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 4 seconds ago
Ron’s an even better example of what I said earlier. White people feeling victimised by institutional racism being pointed out.

‘Oh no, we aren’t all racist let me show stats why we aren’t and why it’s not this problem that the ‘left’ portray it as.’

It’s pathetic. And as long as these violinists exist we’ll never have equality.
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I was the one who mostly posted statistics, so I’m pathetic and presumably racist and don’t believe in equality?

I think you seriously need to have a look at your views here and how you are coming across sir.
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I didn’t really pay much attention to your comments, so I wasn’t accusing you of anything.

comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Imran The King Khan (U10026)
posted 4 seconds ago
Ron’s an even better example of what I said earlier. White people feeling victimised by institutional racism being pointed out.

‘Oh no, we aren’t all racist let me show stats why we aren’t and why it’s not this problem that the ‘left’ portray it as.’

It’s pathetic. And as long as these violinists exist we’ll never have equality.
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I was the one who mostly posted statistics, so I’m pathetic and presumably racist and don’t believe in equality?

I think you seriously need to have a look at your views here and how you are coming across sir.
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I didn’t really pay much attention to your comments, so I wasn’t accusing you of anything.
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Why would you pay attention to someone who has a differing opinion on something?

The comment here is...‘even Fox News had a clip condemning the rioting’..

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Not quite sure how your tiny brain thinks that is a dumb comment. It was factual.

So VC, you don’t understand what’s happening with all these protests. You even said they would be forgotten. Good luck with that.

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You are telling lies again. You can not help it cam you.

What I did say is that rioting looting and arson doesn’t help the cause.

Which is what the Fox News comment I referred to .

Now who is the dummy. Nobb.