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posted on 13/7/20

The fact United, Liverpool and others were trying to stop the case going to CAS speaks volumes,

They obviously knew City were innocent

posted on 13/7/20

Didn’t Fergie find Bebe on Tinder?

posted on 13/7/20

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 1 minute ago
“If you believe City got to where did with entirely acceptable business practices and shrewd management then that is your prerogative.”

I don’t believe that. I think when there’s big money involved as there is in football then creative accounting probably goes on across the board at top level. So at what point is it acceptable? At the point the club each person happens to support it would seem!
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I don't disagree per se, but please don't include me in that!
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Just a general comment. But if I wanted to give an opinion based on something I have no actual evidence of... I would be surprised if Liverpool didn’t trump up a few figures to make the sale to fsg look more appealing a few years back, similarly I would be surprised if Uniteds accounts in the caymans were used for “entirely acceptable business practises and shrewd management”. This case has just had more press so understandably everyone has a view on it, but really most of us will never be privy to enough evidence to make it much more than an opinion - which if this site is anything to go by is usually loaded by bias anyway.

posted on 13/7/20

Be interesting to read the full findings in a few weeks time.

posted on 13/7/20

comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 1 minute ago
“If you believe City got to where did with entirely acceptable business practices and shrewd management then that is your prerogative.”

I don’t believe that. I think when there’s big money involved as there is in football then creative accounting probably goes on across the board at top level. So at what point is it acceptable? At the point the club each person happens to support it would seem!
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I don't disagree per se, but please don't include me in that!
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Just a general comment. But if I wanted to give an opinion based on something I have no actual evidence of... I would be surprised if Liverpool didn’t trump up a few figures to make the sale to fsg look more appealing a few years back, similarly I would be surprised if Uniteds accounts in the caymans were used for “entirely acceptable business practises and shrewd management”. This case has just had more press so understandably everyone has a view on it, but really most of us will never be privy to enough evidence to make it much more than an opinion - which if this site is anything to go by is usually loaded by bias anyway.
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Of course - but equally, people aren't idiots.

City's income, the value of the deals they've done... it just doesn't stack up.

There's no room for reasoned discussion on here because, as you say, it's all too biased.

And I'm not claiming to be 100% right - it's just my opinion. But as with any private business, the idea that we can take what they say, and court rulings, as a matter of fact is naive.

posted on 13/7/20

comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)

And who's to say Yoonited won't finish 5th anyway?
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why do you write "united" like this by the way? it's something a 12 year old would come up with, but then immediately delete because it was too cringeworthy.
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Well I won't be apologising for it or deleting it.

It's a product of being called a 'Chel ski' fan for many years, from certain quarters, despite the fact we have no Polish connections at all that I'm aware of!!

posted on 13/7/20

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 10 minutes ago
The fact United, Liverpool and others were trying to stop the case going to CAS speaks volumes,

They obviously knew City were innocent
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Why fine them then?

posted on 13/7/20

they knew the owners are using other businesses as threats

posted on 13/7/20

comment by KloppsMop (U13071)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 10 minutes ago
The fact United, Liverpool and others were trying to stop the case going to CAS speaks volumes,

They obviously knew City were innocent
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Why fine them then?
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The fine was due to the lack of cooperation

posted on 13/7/20

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 1 minute ago
“If you believe City got to where did with entirely acceptable business practices and shrewd management then that is your prerogative.”

I don’t believe that. I think when there’s big money involved as there is in football then creative accounting probably goes on across the board at top level. So at what point is it acceptable? At the point the club each person happens to support it would seem!
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't disagree per se, but please don't include me in that!
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Just a general comment. But if I wanted to give an opinion based on something I have no actual evidence of... I would be surprised if Liverpool didn’t trump up a few figures to make the sale to fsg look more appealing a few years back, similarly I would be surprised if Uniteds accounts in the caymans were used for “entirely acceptable business practises and shrewd management”. This case has just had more press so understandably everyone has a view on it, but really most of us will never be privy to enough evidence to make it much more than an opinion - which if this site is anything to go by is usually loaded by bias anyway.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Of course - but equally, people aren't idiots.

City's income, the value of the deals they've done... it just doesn't stack up.

There's no room for reasoned discussion on here because, as you say, it's all too biased.

And I'm not claiming to be 100% right - it's just my opinion. But as with any private business, the idea that we can take what they say, and court rulings, as a matter of fact is naive.
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Some valid points in this and reasoned discussion.

It will be interesting to read some of the report when it is released. Ido wonder whether there was a lack of sufficient evidence for all the alleged breaches or if there were some that had sufficient evidence but fell more than 5 years ago.

As you say, rival fans will have made their mind up anyway because that's how football works

posted on 13/7/20

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posted on 13/7/20

comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 1 minute ago
“If you believe City got to where did with entirely acceptable business practices and shrewd management then that is your prerogative.”

I don’t believe that. I think when there’s big money involved as there is in football then creative accounting probably goes on across the board at top level. So at what point is it acceptable? At the point the club each person happens to support it would seem!
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't disagree per se, but please don't include me in that!
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Just a general comment. But if I wanted to give an opinion based on something I have no actual evidence of... I would be surprised if Liverpool didn’t trump up a few figures to make the sale to fsg look more appealing a few years back, similarly I would be surprised if Uniteds accounts in the caymans were used for “entirely acceptable business practises and shrewd management”. This case has just had more press so understandably everyone has a view on it, but really most of us will never be privy to enough evidence to make it much more than an opinion - which if this site is anything to go by is usually loaded by bias anyway.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Of course - but equally, people aren't idiots.

City's income, the value of the deals they've done... it just doesn't stack up.

There's no room for reasoned discussion on here because, as you say, it's all too biased.

And I'm not claiming to be 100% right - it's just my opinion. But as with any private business, the idea that we can take what they say, and court rulings, as a matter of fact is naive.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Some valid points in this and reasoned discussion.

It will be interesting to read some of the report when it is released. Ido wonder whether there was a lack of sufficient evidence for all the alleged breaches or if there were some that had sufficient evidence but fell more than 5 years ago.

As you say, rival fans will have made their mind up anyway because that's how football works
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Yep pretty much, it’s an area we’re all heavily invested in so of course we all have opinions. I just think you need a more nuanced view on it, I mean I’ve never seen the competitions sweethearts referred to as Real Cheaty over here 👀

posted on 13/7/20

I'm certainly no expert.
The verdict has been given and that's it as far as I'm concerned.

posted on 13/7/20

comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 1 minute ago
“If you believe City got to where did with entirely acceptable business practices and shrewd management then that is your prerogative.”

I don’t believe that. I think when there’s big money involved as there is in football then creative accounting probably goes on across the board at top level. So at what point is it acceptable? At the point the club each person happens to support it would seem!
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't disagree per se, but please don't include me in that!
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Just a general comment. But if I wanted to give an opinion based on something I have no actual evidence of... I would be surprised if Liverpool didn’t trump up a few figures to make the sale to fsg look more appealing a few years back, similarly I would be surprised if Uniteds accounts in the caymans were used for “entirely acceptable business practises and shrewd management”. This case has just had more press so understandably everyone has a view on it, but really most of us will never be privy to enough evidence to make it much more than an opinion - which if this site is anything to go by is usually loaded by bias anyway.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Of course - but equally, people aren't idiots.

City's income, the value of the deals they've done... it just doesn't stack up.

There's no room for reasoned discussion on here because, as you say, it's all too biased.

And I'm not claiming to be 100% right - it's just my opinion. But as with any private business, the idea that we can take what they say, and court rulings, as a matter of fact is naive.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Some valid points in this and reasoned discussion.

It will be interesting to read some of the report when it is released. Ido wonder whether there was a lack of sufficient evidence for all the alleged breaches or if there were some that had sufficient evidence but fell more than 5 years ago.

As you say, rival fans will have made their mind up anyway because that's how football works
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Yep pretty much, it’s an area we’re all heavily invested in so of course we all have opinions. I just think you need a more nuanced view on it, I mean I’ve never seen the competitions sweethearts referred to as Real Cheaty over here 👀
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^That is my objection to FFP.

I just see it as the establishment's means of creating a buffer to protect the so called elite clubs of Europe!

posted on 13/7/20

“ That is my objection to FFP.

I just see it as the establishment's means of creating a buffer to protect the so called elite clubs of Europe!”

Yet it’s been successful at dragging clubs away from being loss making operations living beyond their means.

posted on 13/7/20

The most irritating thing to me is the alleged inflated sponsorship all along equated to less than half the price we paid for Bony....

posted on 13/7/20

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
“ That is my objection to FFP.

I just see it as the establishment's means of creating a buffer to protect the so called elite clubs of Europe!”

Yet it’s been successful at dragging clubs away from being loss making operations living beyond their means.
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But Man City's owners are not going to go broke and money is no object to them.

I believe if they have the money in their bank account no one should tell them how they can spend it.

If EUFA are that protective of their sweethearts that they are going to prevent any competition against them, why not just create a five club Champions League for them and let the rest of us compete with each other in the Europa!

posted on 13/7/20

“ I believe if they have the money in their bank account no one should tell them how they can spend it.”

So if from here on in City spent £1bn on players In two seasons to dominate the league for the next 10-15 years you’d be fine with that? The only competition being those who can spend the same amount?

Is that competition or just a case of who’s got the biggest bank balance?

posted on 13/7/20

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 17 minutes ago
“ I believe if they have the money in their bank account no one should tell them how they can spend it.”

So if from here on in City spent £1bn on players In two seasons to dominate the league for the next 10-15 years you’d be fine with that? The only competition being those who can spend the same amount?

Is that competition or just a case of who’s got the biggest bank balance?
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It pretty much is that. That’s what footy has become.

posted on 13/7/20

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 17 minutes ago
“ I believe if they have the money in their bank account no one should tell them how they can spend it.”

So if from here on in City spent £1bn on players In two seasons to dominate the league for the next 10-15 years you’d be fine with that? The only competition being those who can spend the same amount?

Is that competition or just a case of who’s got the biggest bank balance?
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As much as I agree with needing to curb that too, that is how football worked for a hundred years...

It’s a different argument to (supposedly) ffp though. For ffp, they just need to include the balance sheet as well if they really want to protect clubs. Less so
UEFA, it should never have been them driving it in the first place. It needs to be the domestic leagues versions.

posted on 13/7/20

Liverpool have spent a lot of money to win the league, where’s the outcry there?

posted on 13/7/20

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
Liverpool have spent a lot of money to win the league, where’s the outcry there?
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oh come on boris, it's obvious that there is a huge difference between the two.

spending £1.5bn for one PL is morally upright and virtuous, and should be applauded by everyone, regardless of their club allegiance.

whereas spending £1.9bn for 4 PLs is scandalous and shameful, and should be condemned by all.

posted on 13/7/20

comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
Liverpool have spent a lot of money to win the league, where’s the outcry there?
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oh come on boris, it's obvious that there is a huge difference between the two.

spending £1.5bn for one PL is morally upright and virtuous, and should be applauded by everyone, regardless of their club allegiance.

whereas spending £1.9bn for 4 PLs is scandalous and shameful, and should be condemned by all.

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posted on 13/7/20

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 35 minutes ago
The most irritating thing to me is the alleged inflated sponsorship all along equated to less than half the price we paid for Bony....
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Feck me I’d forgotten about him. More movement ina petrified forest.

posted on 13/7/20

UEFA should have awarded us £10m for signing Bony

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