comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 1 second ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 7 minutes ago
Today’s got sod all to do with the wider ffp. Some of the thicker journalists are trying to make it about that and set a false narrative but none of ffp itself is being debated as part of this case.
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That isn’t the point, melts.
There are repercussions for FFP now. It’ll be seen as unfit for purpose, and Uefa itself will wonder what the point of the regulations and attempting to enforce them is.
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Which is an entirely false narrative though that this was never about. The insinuation of that is essentially we should have been found guilty regardless of the evidence.
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I think the insinuation - let’s call it a claim - is that outside the legal and accounting worlds of loopholes and creative bookkeeping, the breaches of the spirit of the regulations have been self-evident, flagrant, unapologetic, repeated, and unrepentant.
If the regulations aren’t able to serve their overarching purpose, what is the point in their existence? Qatar, the Saudis and others won’t see them as a threat any longer.
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And you’re basing that on what? As there has been no evidence in the public domain aside from the hacked emails, the contents of which we denied. None of us have seen the evidence put to CAS or seen the reasoning for their verdict, that will come in three weeks time hopefully.
I’d flip your point around and say what’s the point in an arbitration panel if the basic concepts of judicial process are deemed secondary to wanting to justify a principle, regardless of the strength of the evidence?
At least wait until the details come out.
Whoever finishes 5th out of Chelsea and Leicester is going to feel a bit put out about this travesty of justice.
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 1 minute ago
Have to say I’m not surprised nobody has changed their opinion
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why would anyone change their opinion?
All CAS did was confirm you had been sponsoring yourselves through your owner, but you didn't lie about it.
that you did break rules but UEFA were too slow and missed the 5 year statute.
doesn't actually change the fact it happened. just gave you a loophole to walk away scot free.
Just listen to them. Hilarious.
They all sound like Trunp's lawyer - "The truth is not the truth."
I don’t see how this won’t impact FFP tbh.
Two things appear clear:
1) UEFA considered City’s actions a breach
2) That claim couldn’t be substantiated in court
So the FFP that UEFA wants couldn’t be upheld, surely they’ll look to amend it in some way? Why would you retain a system that doesn’t allow you to get the result you are looking for.
From a purely selfish perspective this is probably good news for Liverpool - a City fully focused on the league would be very challenging.
Jim Lahey did you put Uefas case together by any chance?!
Should change your username to Lionel Hutz 😂
Wonder why they reduce the punishment from 30 to 10M when there was no evidence they breached the rules. Can someone explain that to me?
And you’re basing that on what? As there has been no evidence in the public domain aside from the hacked emails, the contents of which we denied. None of us have seen the evidence put to CAS or seen the reasoning for their verdict, that will come in three weeks time hopefully.
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and this will be the technicality.
CAS will dismiss stolen emails as inadmissible despite any junior level of cyber security expert being able to prove their origin and authenticity.
You refused to cooperate with UEFA hence the fine.
so the only evidence they will have had is the evidence city supplied.
this sets the precedent that anyone can refuse to work with UEFA, if Wikileaks or whoever gets evidence like they did on you its inadmissible and then the only stuff for gas to review is club supplied proof of non-wrongdoing.
dangerous precedent.
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 1 minute ago
Wonder why they reduce the punishment from 30 to 10M when there was no evidence they breached the rules.Can someone explain that to me?
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They found a failure to cooperate
Court has ruled in.favour of city. U less there is an appeal. End of. Move on.
Kind of glad now we've fallen out of the hunt for top 5.
indifferent to the verdict, if any thing I am probably happier than not even as utd fan.
city being or out of the ucl is so far from my list of priorities as a utd fan
my only point is I never understood the reason for FFP. Is FFP there to protect clubs from themselves? Protect the status quo of established clubs? Protect the integrity of the game? Because it does not do any of these things in my eyes.
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 3 minutes ago
Wonder why they reduce the punishment from 30 to 10M when there was no evidence they breached the rules.Can someone explain that to me?
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Couldn’t let them get away completely Scott free, that would be too obvious
comment by Bruno’s right knee (U21050)
posted 2 minutes ago
Whoever finishes 5th out of Chelsea and Leicester is going to feel a bit put out about this travesty of justice.
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Not in the slightest. I see it as justice being served today and listening to the angst of Yoonited and Southampton 'B' fans crying because they're appalled that anyone can spend more than them!
And who's to say Yoonited won't finish 5th anyway?
what would be actually hilarious is if UEFA go full dummy spit and just refuse to invite City to next years CL.
my understanding is UEFA still control who can or cant play in it.
CAS dont.
Not that they will because that also sets a dangerous precedent
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 4 minutes ago
Jim Lahey did you put Uefas case together by any chance?!
Should change your username to Lionel Hutz 😂
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Thats why you're the judge and Im the law talking guy.
You mean the lawyer right?
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 1 second ago
indifferent to the verdict, if any thing I am probably happier than not even as utd fan.
city being or out of the ucl is so far from my list of priorities as a utd fan
my only point is I never understood the reason for FFP. Is FFP there to protect clubs from themselves? Protect the status quo of established clubs? Protect the integrity of the game? Because it does not do any of these things in my eyes.
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Good point.
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 4 minutes ago
Jim Lahey did you put Uefas case together by any chance?!
Should change your username to Lionel Hutz 😂
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id probably have as much access to real evidence as CAS to be fair
Can't understand why City are being fined for not cooperating with a completely flawed investigation.
Surely they should be being awarded compensation.
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 1 second ago
indifferent to the verdict, if any thing I am probably happier than not even as utd fan.
city being or out of the ucl is so far from my list of priorities as a utd fan
my only point is I never understood the reason for FFP. Is FFP there to protect clubs from themselves? Protect the status quo of established clubs? Protect the integrity of the game? Because it does not do any of these things in my eyes.
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Good point.
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On announcing the new legislation, former UEFA President Michel Platini said,
Fifty per cent of clubs are losing money and this is an increasing trend. We needed to stop this downward spiral. They have spent more than they have earned in the past and haven't paid their debts. We don't want to kill or hurt the clubs; on the contrary, we want to help them in the market. The teams who play in our tournaments have unanimously agreed to our principles…living within your means is the basis of accounting but it hasn't been the basis of football for years now. The owners are asking for rules because they can't implement them themselves – many of them have had it with shovelling money into clubs and the more money you put into clubs, the harder it is to sell at a profit.
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 12 seconds ago
Can't understand why City are being fined for not cooperating with a completely flawed investigation.
Surely they should be being awarded compensation.
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they're probably just paying the UEFA lawyer bills.
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 7 minutes ago
Wonder why they reduce the punishment from 30 to 10M when there was no evidence they breached the rules.Can someone explain that to me?
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I thought there was evidence, they just couldn't use it because the emails were hacked?
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 3 minutes ago
indifferent to the verdict, if any thing I am probably happier than not even as utd fan.
city being or out of the ucl is so far from my list of priorities as a utd fan
my only point is I never understood the reason for FFP. Is FFP there to protect clubs from themselves? Protect the status quo of established clubs? Protect the integrity of the game? Because it does not do any of these things in my eyes.
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Not adhering it leads to an inflation of market values, which means clubs have to spend money they don't have to keep up with sovereign wealth funds. Which in turn puts the existence of those clubs at risk. Look at the Championship. Half the league has a wage bill bigger than their turnover. All for chasing the dream
I wonder why the UEFA found evidence to fine City for 2 years and the CAS found the evidence not conclusive enough? Does that mean the UEFA fined City frivolously?
“Manchester City have always been quite bullish about this. They have denied any allegations of wrongdoing and said the process of the Uefa investigation were flawed. This is the outcome.”
so City said the UEFA process was flawed yet refused to assist them? hmmmm.
why don't UEFA have a CAS of their own haha
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posted on 13/7/20
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 1 second ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 7 minutes ago
Today’s got sod all to do with the wider ffp. Some of the thicker journalists are trying to make it about that and set a false narrative but none of ffp itself is being debated as part of this case.
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That isn’t the point, melts.
There are repercussions for FFP now. It’ll be seen as unfit for purpose, and Uefa itself will wonder what the point of the regulations and attempting to enforce them is.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which is an entirely false narrative though that this was never about. The insinuation of that is essentially we should have been found guilty regardless of the evidence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think the insinuation - let’s call it a claim - is that outside the legal and accounting worlds of loopholes and creative bookkeeping, the breaches of the spirit of the regulations have been self-evident, flagrant, unapologetic, repeated, and unrepentant.
If the regulations aren’t able to serve their overarching purpose, what is the point in their existence? Qatar, the Saudis and others won’t see them as a threat any longer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And you’re basing that on what? As there has been no evidence in the public domain aside from the hacked emails, the contents of which we denied. None of us have seen the evidence put to CAS or seen the reasoning for their verdict, that will come in three weeks time hopefully.
I’d flip your point around and say what’s the point in an arbitration panel if the basic concepts of judicial process are deemed secondary to wanting to justify a principle, regardless of the strength of the evidence?
At least wait until the details come out.
posted on 13/7/20
Whoever finishes 5th out of Chelsea and Leicester is going to feel a bit put out about this travesty of justice.
posted on 13/7/20
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 1 minute ago
Have to say I’m not surprised nobody has changed their opinion
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why would anyone change their opinion?
All CAS did was confirm you had been sponsoring yourselves through your owner, but you didn't lie about it.
that you did break rules but UEFA were too slow and missed the 5 year statute.
doesn't actually change the fact it happened. just gave you a loophole to walk away scot free.
posted on 13/7/20
Just listen to them. Hilarious.
They all sound like Trunp's lawyer - "The truth is not the truth."
posted on 13/7/20
I don’t see how this won’t impact FFP tbh.
Two things appear clear:
1) UEFA considered City’s actions a breach
2) That claim couldn’t be substantiated in court
So the FFP that UEFA wants couldn’t be upheld, surely they’ll look to amend it in some way? Why would you retain a system that doesn’t allow you to get the result you are looking for.
From a purely selfish perspective this is probably good news for Liverpool - a City fully focused on the league would be very challenging.
posted on 13/7/20
Jim Lahey did you put Uefas case together by any chance?!
Should change your username to Lionel Hutz 😂
posted on 13/7/20
Wonder why they reduce the punishment from 30 to 10M when there was no evidence they breached the rules. Can someone explain that to me?
posted on 13/7/20
And you’re basing that on what? As there has been no evidence in the public domain aside from the hacked emails, the contents of which we denied. None of us have seen the evidence put to CAS or seen the reasoning for their verdict, that will come in three weeks time hopefully.
=================================
and this will be the technicality.
CAS will dismiss stolen emails as inadmissible despite any junior level of cyber security expert being able to prove their origin and authenticity.
You refused to cooperate with UEFA hence the fine.
so the only evidence they will have had is the evidence city supplied.
this sets the precedent that anyone can refuse to work with UEFA, if Wikileaks or whoever gets evidence like they did on you its inadmissible and then the only stuff for gas to review is club supplied proof of non-wrongdoing.
dangerous precedent.
posted on 13/7/20
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 1 minute ago
Wonder why they reduce the punishment from 30 to 10M when there was no evidence they breached the rules.Can someone explain that to me?
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They found a failure to cooperate
posted on 13/7/20
Court has ruled in.favour of city. U less there is an appeal. End of. Move on.
posted on 13/7/20
Kind of glad now we've fallen out of the hunt for top 5.
posted on 13/7/20
indifferent to the verdict, if any thing I am probably happier than not even as utd fan.
city being or out of the ucl is so far from my list of priorities as a utd fan
my only point is I never understood the reason for FFP. Is FFP there to protect clubs from themselves? Protect the status quo of established clubs? Protect the integrity of the game? Because it does not do any of these things in my eyes.
posted on 13/7/20
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 3 minutes ago
Wonder why they reduce the punishment from 30 to 10M when there was no evidence they breached the rules.Can someone explain that to me?
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Couldn’t let them get away completely Scott free, that would be too obvious
posted on 13/7/20
comment by Bruno’s right knee (U21050)
posted 2 minutes ago
Whoever finishes 5th out of Chelsea and Leicester is going to feel a bit put out about this travesty of justice.
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Not in the slightest. I see it as justice being served today and listening to the angst of Yoonited and Southampton 'B' fans crying because they're appalled that anyone can spend more than them!
And who's to say Yoonited won't finish 5th anyway?
posted on 13/7/20
what would be actually hilarious is if UEFA go full dummy spit and just refuse to invite City to next years CL.
my understanding is UEFA still control who can or cant play in it.
CAS dont.
Not that they will because that also sets a dangerous precedent
posted on 13/7/20
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 4 minutes ago
Jim Lahey did you put Uefas case together by any chance?!
Should change your username to Lionel Hutz 😂
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Thats why you're the judge and Im the law talking guy.
You mean the lawyer right?
posted on 13/7/20
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 1 second ago
indifferent to the verdict, if any thing I am probably happier than not even as utd fan.
city being or out of the ucl is so far from my list of priorities as a utd fan
my only point is I never understood the reason for FFP. Is FFP there to protect clubs from themselves? Protect the status quo of established clubs? Protect the integrity of the game? Because it does not do any of these things in my eyes.
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Good point.
posted on 13/7/20
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 4 minutes ago
Jim Lahey did you put Uefas case together by any chance?!
Should change your username to Lionel Hutz 😂
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id probably have as much access to real evidence as CAS to be fair
posted on 13/7/20
Can't understand why City are being fined for not cooperating with a completely flawed investigation.
Surely they should be being awarded compensation.
posted on 13/7/20
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 1 second ago
indifferent to the verdict, if any thing I am probably happier than not even as utd fan.
city being or out of the ucl is so far from my list of priorities as a utd fan
my only point is I never understood the reason for FFP. Is FFP there to protect clubs from themselves? Protect the status quo of established clubs? Protect the integrity of the game? Because it does not do any of these things in my eyes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good point.
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On announcing the new legislation, former UEFA President Michel Platini said,
Fifty per cent of clubs are losing money and this is an increasing trend. We needed to stop this downward spiral. They have spent more than they have earned in the past and haven't paid their debts. We don't want to kill or hurt the clubs; on the contrary, we want to help them in the market. The teams who play in our tournaments have unanimously agreed to our principles…living within your means is the basis of accounting but it hasn't been the basis of football for years now. The owners are asking for rules because they can't implement them themselves – many of them have had it with shovelling money into clubs and the more money you put into clubs, the harder it is to sell at a profit.
posted on 13/7/20
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 12 seconds ago
Can't understand why City are being fined for not cooperating with a completely flawed investigation.
Surely they should be being awarded compensation.
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they're probably just paying the UEFA lawyer bills.
posted on 13/7/20
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 7 minutes ago
Wonder why they reduce the punishment from 30 to 10M when there was no evidence they breached the rules.Can someone explain that to me?
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I thought there was evidence, they just couldn't use it because the emails were hacked?
posted on 13/7/20
comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 3 minutes ago
indifferent to the verdict, if any thing I am probably happier than not even as utd fan.
city being or out of the ucl is so far from my list of priorities as a utd fan
my only point is I never understood the reason for FFP. Is FFP there to protect clubs from themselves? Protect the status quo of established clubs? Protect the integrity of the game? Because it does not do any of these things in my eyes.
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Not adhering it leads to an inflation of market values, which means clubs have to spend money they don't have to keep up with sovereign wealth funds. Which in turn puts the existence of those clubs at risk. Look at the Championship. Half the league has a wage bill bigger than their turnover. All for chasing the dream
posted on 13/7/20
I wonder why the UEFA found evidence to fine City for 2 years and the CAS found the evidence not conclusive enough? Does that mean the UEFA fined City frivolously?
posted on 13/7/20
“Manchester City have always been quite bullish about this. They have denied any allegations of wrongdoing and said the process of the Uefa investigation were flawed. This is the outcome.”
so City said the UEFA process was flawed yet refused to assist them? hmmmm.
why don't UEFA have a CAS of their own haha
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