comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 32 seconds ago
People who defend the booing/boo are either:
Racist
Racially prejudiced
Or willfully naive, happy to defend racists due to conformation bias.
That's it.
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Classic JA606 bigot.
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You must do this! You must do that! Prove to me you are who you say you are!
How did we get here?
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IRU's comment perfectly exemplifies why society is so unbelievably divided now on absolutely everything.
"My opinion is right and if you don't agree with me I can just disregard everything you're saying because you're racist". It's honestly pathetic and why no debate happens anymore and we end up with these horrendous divisions.
I've said time and time again on this thread I don't agree with taking the knee because I think it's tokenism and football players could do a lot more than be involved in this ritual. I'd support social media boycotts and actual tangible actual but I get frustrated seeing powerful white football players taking a knee yet continuing to extensively use social media which is the platform racists use to spout their BS. It's too hypocritical for me.
That doesn't make me a racist.
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Your not alone.
I think it comes down to mentality. Some people don't mind being told what to do and are comfortable with that element of control that's over them. Others understand the issues but deal with things on their own terms and don't really like being told what to do.
To be called racist for that is shameful and to go full circle can only politically motivated.
What else can it be?
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What nonsense is this? Who is being told what to do? Do those people go out murdering because they don't like being told they cannot murder? Should we encourage murdering because of this?
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 32 seconds ago
People who defend the booing/boo are either:
Racist
Racially prejudiced
Or willfully naive, happy to defend racists due to conformation bias.
That's it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Classic JA606 bigot.
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You must do this! You must do that! Prove to me you are who you say you are!
How did we get here?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
IRU's comment perfectly exemplifies why society is so unbelievably divided now on absolutely everything.
"My opinion is right and if you don't agree with me I can just disregard everything you're saying because you're racist". It's honestly pathetic and why no debate happens anymore and we end up with these horrendous divisions.
I've said time and time again on this thread I don't agree with taking the knee because I think it's tokenism and football players could do a lot more than be involved in this ritual. I'd support social media boycotts and actual tangible actual but I get frustrated seeing powerful white football players taking a knee yet continuing to extensively use social media which is the platform racists use to spout their BS. It's too hypocritical for me.
That doesn't make me a racist.
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Your not alone.
I think it comes down to mentality. Some people don't mind being told what to do and are comfortable with that element of control that's over them. Others understand the issues but deal with things on their own terms and don't really like being told what to do.
To be called racist for that is shameful and to go full circle can only politically motivated.
What else can it be?
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Sigh, you’re triggered because you’re making it all about YOU.
It isn’t.
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by NPE ★★ (U22521)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 4 minutes ago
As for the claim that the UK is institutionally racist - there is no evidence for this.
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There is plenty of evidence, even this week it came out the Queen had some clause that they couldn't employ anyone of colour in the palace and they were exempt from discriminatory laws, the Steven Lawerence case, the government, every single comment section in every newspaper, the prison service, police force, mainstream media companies, big tech companies, finance sector, education sector..
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Let's go through each one. The Queen is exempt from multiple laws, and multiple rulings made about her are centuries old, the reality is pointing one old law still on the books as proof of present day institutional racism is laughable, Stephen Lawrence was about thirty years ago and the reports that followed are highly contested.
Newspapers are not institutionally racist, neither is the prison service, mainstream media companies, or big tech, or education or finance. Ridiculous claims.
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So because she's the queen, she's allowed to be have racist laws in her favour, ok cool. The Stephen Lawerence case highlighted the institutional racism in the police force and nothing has changed, in 30 years. And the rest is facts too. Whether you think it's ridiculous or not is irrelevant..to me anyway.
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I think what he's saying is that the laws you're referring to are centuries old and probably forgotten about.
Doesn't make it right but law in this country goes back hundreds of years so obviously some of these niche laws are very much out of date.
I agree with you though, if there wasn't institutionalised racism it wouldn't constantly be a debate. And as a white person I absolutely do not have the ability to give an opinion on that as obviously I've not experienced it.
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"Doesn't make it right but law in this country goes back hundreds of years so obviously some of these niche laws are very much out of date."
The Queen had exemptions specifically written into equality legislation in the 1960s, and 1970s. "The exemption was extended to the present day when in 2010 the Equality Act replaced the 1976 Race Relations Act, the 1975 S.e x Discrimination Act and the 1970 Equal Pay Act." From the Guardian report.
The Equality Act 2010 is not niche legislation from centuries ago.
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Then that is pretty disgraceful and apologies for misreading the situation.
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No need to apologise, I was just providing a correction and the fact that you have acknowledged it shows that you weren't being mistruthful about it.
I realise that I will be called a racist on here by people like you but I couldn't give a t0ss.
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People like me, wtf!
I haven't called ANYONE racist on this site, i'm just offering an opinion from the other side of the coin. If you feel that makes you racist, that your business but i didn't call you that.
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 13 seconds ago
I agree with you though, if there wasn't institutionalised racism it wouldn't constantly be a debate. And as a white person I absolutely do not have the ability to give an opinion on that as obviously I've not experienced it.
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thank you. it feels like people are trying to convince me that certain things 'don't exists' when i have seen, heard, read and felt it first hand, read about it in numerous books, seen various documentary's and films about it but people still deny it exists, it crazy.
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Also AFC you are absolutely spot on in saying that Zaha should be treated differently to white footballers on this issue.
I hear your frustrations but I just get annoyed watching football players who could do so much more take a knee and think it makes a difference. Just feels to me that they don't really care enough to do something real but want to be seen to be caring
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To be honest mate, it wasn't me talking about the Zaha thing, it was someone else but i understand what they were trying to say.
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 32 seconds ago
People who defend the booing/boo are either:
Racist
Racially prejudiced
Or willfully naive, happy to defend racists due to conformation bias.
That's it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Classic JA606 bigot.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You must do this! You must do that! Prove to me you are who you say you are!
How did we get here?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
IRU's comment perfectly exemplifies why society is so unbelievably divided now on absolutely everything.
"My opinion is right and if you don't agree with me I can just disregard everything you're saying because you're racist". It's honestly pathetic and why no debate happens anymore and we end up with these horrendous divisions.
I've said time and time again on this thread I don't agree with taking the knee because I think it's tokenism and football players could do a lot more than be involved in this ritual. I'd support social media boycotts and actual tangible actual but I get frustrated seeing powerful white football players taking a knee yet continuing to extensively use social media which is the platform racists use to spout their BS. It's too hypocritical for me.
That doesn't make me a racist.
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Your not alone.
I think it comes down to mentality. Some people don't mind being told what to do and are comfortable with that element of control that's over them. Others understand the issues but deal with things on their own terms and don't really like being told what to do.
To be called racist for that is shameful and to go full circle can only politically motivated.
What else can it be?
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What nonsense is this? Who is being told what to do? Do those people go out murdering because they don't like being told they cannot murder? Should we encourage murdering because of this?
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It's a culmination of political pressure over the past 12 months from certain groups and peoples attitudes where virtue signalling has become more important to people than real action. If they step outside what's expected of them their livelihood and reputation is on the line.
People on here saying its not about me. It is when you keep getting accused of being racist.
How can you ever let that slide?
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It's a culmination of political pressure over the past 12 months from certain groups and peoples attitudes where virtue signalling has become more important to people than real action.
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I can promise you this has been going on for a lot longer than 12 months..it's just that 12 months ago, everyone stopped keeping quiet about it, keeping it inside or just telling their mates, and started calling it out whenever it happens and now it feels like you are being 'attacked or some BS' but it's just people calling it out for what it is nowadays..
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 minute ago
I realise that I will be called a racist on here by people like you but I couldn't give a t0ss.
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People like me, wtf!
I haven't called ANYONE racist on this site, i'm just offering an opinion from the other side of the coin. If you feel that makes you racist, that your business but i didn't call you that.
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Yer rite!
Putting you in capital letters when I quite rightly pointed out what many people associate the BLM movement with doesn't portray me as a racist at all.
The Colston statue was torn down in the name of the BLM and mob rule goes down very badly with many folk.
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 32 seconds ago
People who defend the booing/boo are either:
Racist
Racially prejudiced
Or willfully naive, happy to defend racists due to conformation bias.
That's it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Classic JA606 bigot.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You must do this! You must do that! Prove to me you are who you say you are!
How did we get here?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
IRU's comment perfectly exemplifies why society is so unbelievably divided now on absolutely everything.
"My opinion is right and if you don't agree with me I can just disregard everything you're saying because you're racist". It's honestly pathetic and why no debate happens anymore and we end up with these horrendous divisions.
I've said time and time again on this thread I don't agree with taking the knee because I think it's tokenism and football players could do a lot more than be involved in this ritual. I'd support social media boycotts and actual tangible actual but I get frustrated seeing powerful white football players taking a knee yet continuing to extensively use social media which is the platform racists use to spout their BS. It's too hypocritical for me.
That doesn't make me a racist.
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Your not alone.
I think it comes down to mentality. Some people don't mind being told what to do and are comfortable with that element of control that's over them. Others understand the issues but deal with things on their own terms and don't really like being told what to do.
To be called racist for that is shameful and to go full circle can only politically motivated.
What else can it be?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What nonsense is this? Who is being told what to do? Do those people go out murdering because they don't like being told they cannot murder? Should we encourage murdering because of this?
-----------------------------------------
-----------------------------
It's a culmination of political pressure over the past 12 months from certain groups and peoples attitudes where virtue signalling has become more important to people than real action. If they step outside what's expected of them their livelihood and reputation is on the line.
People on here saying its not about me. It is when you keep getting accused of being racist.
How can you ever let that slide?
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Certain groups?
Yes, groups that are fed up with being persecuted and murdered by the police for starters.
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 minute ago
I realise that I will be called a racist on here by people like you but I couldn't give a t0ss.
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People like me, wtf!
I haven't called ANYONE racist on this site, i'm just offering an opinion from the other side of the coin. If you feel that makes you racist, that your business but i didn't call you that.
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Yer rite!
Putting you in capital letters when I quite rightly pointed out what many people associate the BLM movement with doesn't portray me as a racist at all.
The Colston statue was torn down in the name of the BLM and mob rule goes down very badly with many folk.
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As i said earlier, i didn't call you racist at that point or at any point, take what i said however you want. You pointed out how every little negative thing about BLM, (which was conveniently blown up by the papers) and left out the mainly peaceful protests that happened, with 10's of thousands of people, the point of the protests and that racism is still rife today...so that tells me all i need to know about your mentality.
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 minute ago
I realise that I will be called a racist on here by people like you but I couldn't give a t0ss.
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People like me, wtf!
I haven't called ANYONE racist on this site, i'm just offering an opinion from the other side of the coin. If you feel that makes you racist, that your business but i didn't call you that.
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Yer rite!
Putting you in capital letters when I quite rightly pointed out what many people associate the BLM movement with doesn't portray me as a racist at all.
The Colston statue was torn down in the name of the BLM and mob rule goes down very badly with many folk.
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As i said earlier, i didn't call you racist at that point or at any point, take what i said however you want. You pointed out how every little negative thing about BLM, (which was conveniently blown up by the papers) and left out the mainly peaceful protests that happened, with 10's of thousands of people, the point of the protests and that racism is still rife today...so that tells me all i need to know about your mentality.
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Haha, you've done it again.
You say you are not calling me a racist but clearly you are.
This thread is about the booing at the taking of the knee at football matches and I'm offering my opinion as to how it can be reduced.
You don't agree and thats fine but whether you like it or not the BLM brand is poison to many people in this country and needs to be taken out of the equation.
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You want to take Black Lives Matters out of the equation of a movement all about black lives mattering...?
All these people using BLM as the excuse to boo, find themselves pigeon holed/ backed into a corner. They just don’t want to understand.
When Colin Kaepernick took the knee after being suggested by a white man btw, he was booed out the place and black balled. This was way before BLM came about.
That time it was about, ‘how dare he take the knee during the National Anthem’, fast forward to today, and Footballers are taking a knee for what is seconds, and still the ignorant want to moan about it. Politicise it.
Cos they don’t like the message, even though they are being repeatedly told this isn’t Politics, or supporting BLM. These people are just morally bankrupt.
They don’t want to believe it. They don’t want to understand it. Some want to follow in their grand pappys footsteps and keep up an inhumane tradition.
Sorry.. times up. That era is dead. So go ahead if you want to boo the fight against racism. Don’t cry about the consequences that come your way.
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 32 seconds ago
People who defend the booing/boo are either:
Racist
Racially prejudiced
Or willfully naive, happy to defend racists due to conformation bias.
That's it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Classic JA606 bigot.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You must do this! You must do that! Prove to me you are who you say you are!
How did we get here?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
IRU's comment perfectly exemplifies why society is so unbelievably divided now on absolutely everything.
"My opinion is right and if you don't agree with me I can just disregard everything you're saying because you're racist". It's honestly pathetic and why no debate happens anymore and we end up with these horrendous divisions.
I've said time and time again on this thread I don't agree with taking the knee because I think it's tokenism and football players could do a lot more than be involved in this ritual. I'd support social media boycotts and actual tangible actual but I get frustrated seeing powerful white football players taking a knee yet continuing to extensively use social media which is the platform racists use to spout their BS. It's too hypocritical for me.
That doesn't make me a racist.
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Correct,
You aren't a racist, you are just defending those who are racist and boo an anti racist gesture, probably due to idiotic conflation with Marxism etc that doesn't stand up to the barest scrutiny.
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 minute ago
I realise that I will be called a racist on here by people like you but I couldn't give a t0ss.
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People like me, wtf!
I haven't called ANYONE racist on this site, i'm just offering an opinion from the other side of the coin. If you feel that makes you racist, that your business but i didn't call you that.
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Yer rite!
Putting you in capital letters when I quite rightly pointed out what many people associate the BLM movement with doesn't portray me as a racist at all.
The Colston statue was torn down in the name of the BLM and mob rule goes down very badly with many folk.
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Perhaps you should do more research about the removal of the Colston statue
Bristolians have for decades sought to have the plaque changed to accurately reflect the history, there are a large number of black Bristolians with his surname, such was the naming convention for released slaves who used to walk past a statue that did nothing to acknowledge his part in history that caused them to be there and given his name instead of their own cultural family names.
The council repeatedly blocked it, and when the pressure turned in to loss of voters they decided they would change it, but watered down the message and tied the changing of it up in legislation for years.
The removal of Colston was not a flash in the pan reaction to Floyd, it was the culmination of over a decade of the establishment refusing to act on slavery and racism.
comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 8 minutes ago
All these people using BLM as the excuse to boo, find themselves pigeon holed/ backed into a corner. They just don’t want to understand.
When Colin Kaepernick took the knee after being suggested by a white man btw, he was booed out the place and black balled. This was way before BLM came about.
That time it was about, ‘how dare he take the knee during the National Anthem’, fast forward to today, and Footballers are taking a knee for what is seconds, and still the ignorant want to moan about it. Politicise it.
Cos they don’t like the message, even though they are being repeatedly told this isn’t Politics, or supporting BLM. These people are just morally bankrupt.
They don’t want to believe it. They don’t want to understand it. Some want to follow in their grand pappys footsteps and keep up an inhumane tradition.
Sorry.. times up. That era is dead. So go ahead if you want to boo the fight against racism. Don’t cry about the consequences that come your way.
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Moronic comment.
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 minute ago
I realise that I will be called a racist on here by people like you but I couldn't give a t0ss.
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People like me, wtf!
I haven't called ANYONE racist on this site, i'm just offering an opinion from the other side of the coin. If you feel that makes you racist, that your business but i didn't call you that.
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Yer rite!
Putting you in capital letters when I quite rightly pointed out what many people associate the BLM movement with doesn't portray me as a racist at all.
The Colston statue was torn down in the name of the BLM and mob rule goes down very badly with many folk.
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Perhaps you should do more research about the removal of the Colston statue
Bristolians have for decades sought to have the plaque changed to accurately reflect the history, there are a large number of black Bristolians with his surname, such was the naming convention for released slaves who used to walk past a statue that did nothing to acknowledge his part in history that caused them to be there and given his name instead of their own cultural family names.
The council repeatedly blocked it, and when the pressure turned in to loss of voters they decided they would change it, but watered down the message and tied the changing of it up in legislation for years.
The removal of Colston was not a flash in the pan reaction to Floyd, it was the culmination of over a decade of the establishment refusing to act on slavery and racism.
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My understanding is that 56% of Bristolians wanted it to remain?
However the way it was taken down has gone along way towards what you are hearing at games now and as more fans get in I think its going to get alot worse.
If as the players claim (and I believe them) its not political then lets lose the BLM logo at the grounds, Sky score box.....etc!
He’s got a point though. Given people have been explicitly told the motivation behind taking the knee, the only reason to boo it can be ignorance on their part. Rather than wanting to resolve that, they’re instead looking for others to accommodate their own ignorance either by stopping taking the knee or removing any BLM signage, looking at some comments on this thread.
It’s a bizarre argument really, essentially saying “I’m ignorant, so everyone else must change”
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 9 seconds ago
He’s got a point though. Given people have been explicitly told the motivation behind taking the knee, the only reason to boo it can be ignorance on their part. Rather than wanting to resolve that, they’re instead looking for others to accommodate their own ignorance either by stopping taking the knee or removing any BLM signage, looking at some comments on this thread.
It’s a bizarre argument really, essentially saying “I’m ignorant, so everyone else must change”
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So you've selected certain arguments and applied it to everybody that disagrees with taking the knee and called them ignorant.
The stupidity is astounding.
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 minute ago
I realise that I will be called a racist on here by people like you but I couldn't give a t0ss.
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People like me, wtf!
I haven't called ANYONE racist on this site, i'm just offering an opinion from the other side of the coin. If you feel that makes you racist, that your business but i didn't call you that.
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Yer rite!
Putting you in capital letters when I quite rightly pointed out what many people associate the BLM movement with doesn't portray me as a racist at all.
The Colston statue was torn down in the name of the BLM and mob rule goes down very badly with many folk.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Perhaps you should do more research about the removal of the Colston statue
Bristolians have for decades sought to have the plaque changed to accurately reflect the history, there are a large number of black Bristolians with his surname, such was the naming convention for released slaves who used to walk past a statue that did nothing to acknowledge his part in history that caused them to be there and given his name instead of their own cultural family names.
The council repeatedly blocked it, and when the pressure turned in to loss of voters they decided they would change it, but watered down the message and tied the changing of it up in legislation for years.
The removal of Colston was not a flash in the pan reaction to Floyd, it was the culmination of over a decade of the establishment refusing to act on slavery and racism.
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My understanding is that 56% of Bristolians wanted it to remain?
However the way it was taken down has gone along way towards what you are hearing at games now and as more fans get in I think its going to get alot worse.
If as the players claim (and I believe them) its not political then lets lose the BLM logo at the grounds, Sky score box.....etc!
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Yes 56% wanted it to remain, and it would still be there had the plaque been changed following any of the many petitions or campaigns to have a reference to his work as a slaver added to it or any of the other Colston memorials in the city.
A refusal to acknowledge the history and compromise is why the statue is gone, people in the rest of the country are far more concerned about it than Bristolians.
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 9 seconds ago
He’s got a point though. Given people have been explicitly told the motivation behind taking the knee, the only reason to boo it can be ignorance on their part. Rather than wanting to resolve that, they’re instead looking for others to accommodate their own ignorance either by stopping taking the knee or removing any BLM signage, looking at some comments on this thread.
It’s a bizarre argument really, essentially saying “I’m ignorant, so everyone else must change”
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So you've selected certain arguments and applied it to everybody that disagrees with taking the knee and called them ignorant.
The stupidity is astounding.
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This is an article about booing.
Do you condemn the booing?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/15187092/laurence-fox-england-boo-knee-euro-2020/
When you’re on the same side as Laurence Fox, you should start examining your life choices!
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 9 seconds ago
He’s got a point though. Given people have been explicitly told the motivation behind taking the knee, the only reason to boo it can be ignorance on their part. Rather than wanting to resolve that, they’re instead looking for others to accommodate their own ignorance either by stopping taking the knee or removing any BLM signage, looking at some comments on this thread.
It’s a bizarre argument really, essentially saying “I’m ignorant, so everyone else must change”
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So you've selected certain arguments and applied it to everybody that disagrees with taking the knee and called them ignorant.
The stupidity is astounding.
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There aren’t any other arguments aside from either the one that the players have explicitly stated or ones people are making up in their own heads, that’s the entire point.
Do you not realise the irony of your comment when in order to get offended by it you literally have to make up someone else’s motivations for doing it in order to do so? And then to accuse others of stupidity?!
It’s like a collective loss of any rational thought whatsoever
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posted on 8/6/21
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 32 seconds ago
People who defend the booing/boo are either:
Racist
Racially prejudiced
Or willfully naive, happy to defend racists due to conformation bias.
That's it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Classic JA606 bigot.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You must do this! You must do that! Prove to me you are who you say you are!
How did we get here?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
IRU's comment perfectly exemplifies why society is so unbelievably divided now on absolutely everything.
"My opinion is right and if you don't agree with me I can just disregard everything you're saying because you're racist". It's honestly pathetic and why no debate happens anymore and we end up with these horrendous divisions.
I've said time and time again on this thread I don't agree with taking the knee because I think it's tokenism and football players could do a lot more than be involved in this ritual. I'd support social media boycotts and actual tangible actual but I get frustrated seeing powerful white football players taking a knee yet continuing to extensively use social media which is the platform racists use to spout their BS. It's too hypocritical for me.
That doesn't make me a racist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Your not alone.
I think it comes down to mentality. Some people don't mind being told what to do and are comfortable with that element of control that's over them. Others understand the issues but deal with things on their own terms and don't really like being told what to do.
To be called racist for that is shameful and to go full circle can only politically motivated.
What else can it be?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What nonsense is this? Who is being told what to do? Do those people go out murdering because they don't like being told they cannot murder? Should we encourage murdering because of this?
posted on 8/6/21
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 32 seconds ago
People who defend the booing/boo are either:
Racist
Racially prejudiced
Or willfully naive, happy to defend racists due to conformation bias.
That's it.
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Classic JA606 bigot.
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You must do this! You must do that! Prove to me you are who you say you are!
How did we get here?
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IRU's comment perfectly exemplifies why society is so unbelievably divided now on absolutely everything.
"My opinion is right and if you don't agree with me I can just disregard everything you're saying because you're racist". It's honestly pathetic and why no debate happens anymore and we end up with these horrendous divisions.
I've said time and time again on this thread I don't agree with taking the knee because I think it's tokenism and football players could do a lot more than be involved in this ritual. I'd support social media boycotts and actual tangible actual but I get frustrated seeing powerful white football players taking a knee yet continuing to extensively use social media which is the platform racists use to spout their BS. It's too hypocritical for me.
That doesn't make me a racist.
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Your not alone.
I think it comes down to mentality. Some people don't mind being told what to do and are comfortable with that element of control that's over them. Others understand the issues but deal with things on their own terms and don't really like being told what to do.
To be called racist for that is shameful and to go full circle can only politically motivated.
What else can it be?
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Sigh, you’re triggered because you’re making it all about YOU.
It isn’t.
posted on 8/6/21
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by NPE ★★ (U22521)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 4 minutes ago
As for the claim that the UK is institutionally racist - there is no evidence for this.
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There is plenty of evidence, even this week it came out the Queen had some clause that they couldn't employ anyone of colour in the palace and they were exempt from discriminatory laws, the Steven Lawerence case, the government, every single comment section in every newspaper, the prison service, police force, mainstream media companies, big tech companies, finance sector, education sector..
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Let's go through each one. The Queen is exempt from multiple laws, and multiple rulings made about her are centuries old, the reality is pointing one old law still on the books as proof of present day institutional racism is laughable, Stephen Lawrence was about thirty years ago and the reports that followed are highly contested.
Newspapers are not institutionally racist, neither is the prison service, mainstream media companies, or big tech, or education or finance. Ridiculous claims.
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So because she's the queen, she's allowed to be have racist laws in her favour, ok cool. The Stephen Lawerence case highlighted the institutional racism in the police force and nothing has changed, in 30 years. And the rest is facts too. Whether you think it's ridiculous or not is irrelevant..to me anyway.
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I think what he's saying is that the laws you're referring to are centuries old and probably forgotten about.
Doesn't make it right but law in this country goes back hundreds of years so obviously some of these niche laws are very much out of date.
I agree with you though, if there wasn't institutionalised racism it wouldn't constantly be a debate. And as a white person I absolutely do not have the ability to give an opinion on that as obviously I've not experienced it.
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"Doesn't make it right but law in this country goes back hundreds of years so obviously some of these niche laws are very much out of date."
The Queen had exemptions specifically written into equality legislation in the 1960s, and 1970s. "The exemption was extended to the present day when in 2010 the Equality Act replaced the 1976 Race Relations Act, the 1975 S.e x Discrimination Act and the 1970 Equal Pay Act." From the Guardian report.
The Equality Act 2010 is not niche legislation from centuries ago.
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Then that is pretty disgraceful and apologies for misreading the situation.
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No need to apologise, I was just providing a correction and the fact that you have acknowledged it shows that you weren't being mistruthful about it.
posted on 8/6/21
I realise that I will be called a racist on here by people like you but I couldn't give a t0ss.
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People like me, wtf!
I haven't called ANYONE racist on this site, i'm just offering an opinion from the other side of the coin. If you feel that makes you racist, that your business but i didn't call you that.
posted on 8/6/21
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 13 seconds ago
I agree with you though, if there wasn't institutionalised racism it wouldn't constantly be a debate. And as a white person I absolutely do not have the ability to give an opinion on that as obviously I've not experienced it.
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thank you. it feels like people are trying to convince me that certain things 'don't exists' when i have seen, heard, read and felt it first hand, read about it in numerous books, seen various documentary's and films about it but people still deny it exists, it crazy.
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Also AFC you are absolutely spot on in saying that Zaha should be treated differently to white footballers on this issue.
I hear your frustrations but I just get annoyed watching football players who could do so much more take a knee and think it makes a difference. Just feels to me that they don't really care enough to do something real but want to be seen to be caring
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To be honest mate, it wasn't me talking about the Zaha thing, it was someone else but i understand what they were trying to say.
posted on 8/6/21
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 32 seconds ago
People who defend the booing/boo are either:
Racist
Racially prejudiced
Or willfully naive, happy to defend racists due to conformation bias.
That's it.
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Classic JA606 bigot.
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You must do this! You must do that! Prove to me you are who you say you are!
How did we get here?
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IRU's comment perfectly exemplifies why society is so unbelievably divided now on absolutely everything.
"My opinion is right and if you don't agree with me I can just disregard everything you're saying because you're racist". It's honestly pathetic and why no debate happens anymore and we end up with these horrendous divisions.
I've said time and time again on this thread I don't agree with taking the knee because I think it's tokenism and football players could do a lot more than be involved in this ritual. I'd support social media boycotts and actual tangible actual but I get frustrated seeing powerful white football players taking a knee yet continuing to extensively use social media which is the platform racists use to spout their BS. It's too hypocritical for me.
That doesn't make me a racist.
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Your not alone.
I think it comes down to mentality. Some people don't mind being told what to do and are comfortable with that element of control that's over them. Others understand the issues but deal with things on their own terms and don't really like being told what to do.
To be called racist for that is shameful and to go full circle can only politically motivated.
What else can it be?
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What nonsense is this? Who is being told what to do? Do those people go out murdering because they don't like being told they cannot murder? Should we encourage murdering because of this?
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It's a culmination of political pressure over the past 12 months from certain groups and peoples attitudes where virtue signalling has become more important to people than real action. If they step outside what's expected of them their livelihood and reputation is on the line.
People on here saying its not about me. It is when you keep getting accused of being racist.
How can you ever let that slide?
posted on 8/6/21
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 8/6/21
It's a culmination of political pressure over the past 12 months from certain groups and peoples attitudes where virtue signalling has become more important to people than real action.
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I can promise you this has been going on for a lot longer than 12 months..it's just that 12 months ago, everyone stopped keeping quiet about it, keeping it inside or just telling their mates, and started calling it out whenever it happens and now it feels like you are being 'attacked or some BS' but it's just people calling it out for what it is nowadays..
posted on 8/6/21
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 minute ago
I realise that I will be called a racist on here by people like you but I couldn't give a t0ss.
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People like me, wtf!
I haven't called ANYONE racist on this site, i'm just offering an opinion from the other side of the coin. If you feel that makes you racist, that your business but i didn't call you that.
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Yer rite!
Putting you in capital letters when I quite rightly pointed out what many people associate the BLM movement with doesn't portray me as a racist at all.
The Colston statue was torn down in the name of the BLM and mob rule goes down very badly with many folk.
posted on 8/6/21
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 32 seconds ago
People who defend the booing/boo are either:
Racist
Racially prejudiced
Or willfully naive, happy to defend racists due to conformation bias.
That's it.
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Classic JA606 bigot.
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You must do this! You must do that! Prove to me you are who you say you are!
How did we get here?
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IRU's comment perfectly exemplifies why society is so unbelievably divided now on absolutely everything.
"My opinion is right and if you don't agree with me I can just disregard everything you're saying because you're racist". It's honestly pathetic and why no debate happens anymore and we end up with these horrendous divisions.
I've said time and time again on this thread I don't agree with taking the knee because I think it's tokenism and football players could do a lot more than be involved in this ritual. I'd support social media boycotts and actual tangible actual but I get frustrated seeing powerful white football players taking a knee yet continuing to extensively use social media which is the platform racists use to spout their BS. It's too hypocritical for me.
That doesn't make me a racist.
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Your not alone.
I think it comes down to mentality. Some people don't mind being told what to do and are comfortable with that element of control that's over them. Others understand the issues but deal with things on their own terms and don't really like being told what to do.
To be called racist for that is shameful and to go full circle can only politically motivated.
What else can it be?
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What nonsense is this? Who is being told what to do? Do those people go out murdering because they don't like being told they cannot murder? Should we encourage murdering because of this?
-----------------------------------------
-----------------------------
It's a culmination of political pressure over the past 12 months from certain groups and peoples attitudes where virtue signalling has become more important to people than real action. If they step outside what's expected of them their livelihood and reputation is on the line.
People on here saying its not about me. It is when you keep getting accused of being racist.
How can you ever let that slide?
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Certain groups?
Yes, groups that are fed up with being persecuted and murdered by the police for starters.
posted on 8/6/21
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 minute ago
I realise that I will be called a racist on here by people like you but I couldn't give a t0ss.
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People like me, wtf!
I haven't called ANYONE racist on this site, i'm just offering an opinion from the other side of the coin. If you feel that makes you racist, that your business but i didn't call you that.
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Yer rite!
Putting you in capital letters when I quite rightly pointed out what many people associate the BLM movement with doesn't portray me as a racist at all.
The Colston statue was torn down in the name of the BLM and mob rule goes down very badly with many folk.
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As i said earlier, i didn't call you racist at that point or at any point, take what i said however you want. You pointed out how every little negative thing about BLM, (which was conveniently blown up by the papers) and left out the mainly peaceful protests that happened, with 10's of thousands of people, the point of the protests and that racism is still rife today...so that tells me all i need to know about your mentality.
posted on 8/6/21
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 minute ago
I realise that I will be called a racist on here by people like you but I couldn't give a t0ss.
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People like me, wtf!
I haven't called ANYONE racist on this site, i'm just offering an opinion from the other side of the coin. If you feel that makes you racist, that your business but i didn't call you that.
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Yer rite!
Putting you in capital letters when I quite rightly pointed out what many people associate the BLM movement with doesn't portray me as a racist at all.
The Colston statue was torn down in the name of the BLM and mob rule goes down very badly with many folk.
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As i said earlier, i didn't call you racist at that point or at any point, take what i said however you want. You pointed out how every little negative thing about BLM, (which was conveniently blown up by the papers) and left out the mainly peaceful protests that happened, with 10's of thousands of people, the point of the protests and that racism is still rife today...so that tells me all i need to know about your mentality.
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Haha, you've done it again.
You say you are not calling me a racist but clearly you are.
This thread is about the booing at the taking of the knee at football matches and I'm offering my opinion as to how it can be reduced.
You don't agree and thats fine but whether you like it or not the BLM brand is poison to many people in this country and needs to be taken out of the equation.
posted on 8/6/21
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 8/6/21
You want to take Black Lives Matters out of the equation of a movement all about black lives mattering...?
posted on 8/6/21
All these people using BLM as the excuse to boo, find themselves pigeon holed/ backed into a corner. They just don’t want to understand.
When Colin Kaepernick took the knee after being suggested by a white man btw, he was booed out the place and black balled. This was way before BLM came about.
That time it was about, ‘how dare he take the knee during the National Anthem’, fast forward to today, and Footballers are taking a knee for what is seconds, and still the ignorant want to moan about it. Politicise it.
Cos they don’t like the message, even though they are being repeatedly told this isn’t Politics, or supporting BLM. These people are just morally bankrupt.
They don’t want to believe it. They don’t want to understand it. Some want to follow in their grand pappys footsteps and keep up an inhumane tradition.
Sorry.. times up. That era is dead. So go ahead if you want to boo the fight against racism. Don’t cry about the consequences that come your way.
posted on 8/6/21
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 32 seconds ago
People who defend the booing/boo are either:
Racist
Racially prejudiced
Or willfully naive, happy to defend racists due to conformation bias.
That's it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Classic JA606 bigot.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You must do this! You must do that! Prove to me you are who you say you are!
How did we get here?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
IRU's comment perfectly exemplifies why society is so unbelievably divided now on absolutely everything.
"My opinion is right and if you don't agree with me I can just disregard everything you're saying because you're racist". It's honestly pathetic and why no debate happens anymore and we end up with these horrendous divisions.
I've said time and time again on this thread I don't agree with taking the knee because I think it's tokenism and football players could do a lot more than be involved in this ritual. I'd support social media boycotts and actual tangible actual but I get frustrated seeing powerful white football players taking a knee yet continuing to extensively use social media which is the platform racists use to spout their BS. It's too hypocritical for me.
That doesn't make me a racist.
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Correct,
You aren't a racist, you are just defending those who are racist and boo an anti racist gesture, probably due to idiotic conflation with Marxism etc that doesn't stand up to the barest scrutiny.
posted on 8/6/21
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 minute ago
I realise that I will be called a racist on here by people like you but I couldn't give a t0ss.
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People like me, wtf!
I haven't called ANYONE racist on this site, i'm just offering an opinion from the other side of the coin. If you feel that makes you racist, that your business but i didn't call you that.
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Yer rite!
Putting you in capital letters when I quite rightly pointed out what many people associate the BLM movement with doesn't portray me as a racist at all.
The Colston statue was torn down in the name of the BLM and mob rule goes down very badly with many folk.
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Perhaps you should do more research about the removal of the Colston statue
Bristolians have for decades sought to have the plaque changed to accurately reflect the history, there are a large number of black Bristolians with his surname, such was the naming convention for released slaves who used to walk past a statue that did nothing to acknowledge his part in history that caused them to be there and given his name instead of their own cultural family names.
The council repeatedly blocked it, and when the pressure turned in to loss of voters they decided they would change it, but watered down the message and tied the changing of it up in legislation for years.
The removal of Colston was not a flash in the pan reaction to Floyd, it was the culmination of over a decade of the establishment refusing to act on slavery and racism.
posted on 8/6/21
comment by StringerBell (U11749)
posted 8 minutes ago
All these people using BLM as the excuse to boo, find themselves pigeon holed/ backed into a corner. They just don’t want to understand.
When Colin Kaepernick took the knee after being suggested by a white man btw, he was booed out the place and black balled. This was way before BLM came about.
That time it was about, ‘how dare he take the knee during the National Anthem’, fast forward to today, and Footballers are taking a knee for what is seconds, and still the ignorant want to moan about it. Politicise it.
Cos they don’t like the message, even though they are being repeatedly told this isn’t Politics, or supporting BLM. These people are just morally bankrupt.
They don’t want to believe it. They don’t want to understand it. Some want to follow in their grand pappys footsteps and keep up an inhumane tradition.
Sorry.. times up. That era is dead. So go ahead if you want to boo the fight against racism. Don’t cry about the consequences that come your way.
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Moronic comment.
posted on 8/6/21
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 minute ago
I realise that I will be called a racist on here by people like you but I couldn't give a t0ss.
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People like me, wtf!
I haven't called ANYONE racist on this site, i'm just offering an opinion from the other side of the coin. If you feel that makes you racist, that your business but i didn't call you that.
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Yer rite!
Putting you in capital letters when I quite rightly pointed out what many people associate the BLM movement with doesn't portray me as a racist at all.
The Colston statue was torn down in the name of the BLM and mob rule goes down very badly with many folk.
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Perhaps you should do more research about the removal of the Colston statue
Bristolians have for decades sought to have the plaque changed to accurately reflect the history, there are a large number of black Bristolians with his surname, such was the naming convention for released slaves who used to walk past a statue that did nothing to acknowledge his part in history that caused them to be there and given his name instead of their own cultural family names.
The council repeatedly blocked it, and when the pressure turned in to loss of voters they decided they would change it, but watered down the message and tied the changing of it up in legislation for years.
The removal of Colston was not a flash in the pan reaction to Floyd, it was the culmination of over a decade of the establishment refusing to act on slavery and racism.
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My understanding is that 56% of Bristolians wanted it to remain?
However the way it was taken down has gone along way towards what you are hearing at games now and as more fans get in I think its going to get alot worse.
If as the players claim (and I believe them) its not political then lets lose the BLM logo at the grounds, Sky score box.....etc!
posted on 8/6/21
He’s got a point though. Given people have been explicitly told the motivation behind taking the knee, the only reason to boo it can be ignorance on their part. Rather than wanting to resolve that, they’re instead looking for others to accommodate their own ignorance either by stopping taking the knee or removing any BLM signage, looking at some comments on this thread.
It’s a bizarre argument really, essentially saying “I’m ignorant, so everyone else must change”
posted on 8/6/21
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 9 seconds ago
He’s got a point though. Given people have been explicitly told the motivation behind taking the knee, the only reason to boo it can be ignorance on their part. Rather than wanting to resolve that, they’re instead looking for others to accommodate their own ignorance either by stopping taking the knee or removing any BLM signage, looking at some comments on this thread.
It’s a bizarre argument really, essentially saying “I’m ignorant, so everyone else must change”
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So you've selected certain arguments and applied it to everybody that disagrees with taking the knee and called them ignorant.
The stupidity is astounding.
posted on 8/6/21
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 minute ago
I realise that I will be called a racist on here by people like you but I couldn't give a t0ss.
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People like me, wtf!
I haven't called ANYONE racist on this site, i'm just offering an opinion from the other side of the coin. If you feel that makes you racist, that your business but i didn't call you that.
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Yer rite!
Putting you in capital letters when I quite rightly pointed out what many people associate the BLM movement with doesn't portray me as a racist at all.
The Colston statue was torn down in the name of the BLM and mob rule goes down very badly with many folk.
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Perhaps you should do more research about the removal of the Colston statue
Bristolians have for decades sought to have the plaque changed to accurately reflect the history, there are a large number of black Bristolians with his surname, such was the naming convention for released slaves who used to walk past a statue that did nothing to acknowledge his part in history that caused them to be there and given his name instead of their own cultural family names.
The council repeatedly blocked it, and when the pressure turned in to loss of voters they decided they would change it, but watered down the message and tied the changing of it up in legislation for years.
The removal of Colston was not a flash in the pan reaction to Floyd, it was the culmination of over a decade of the establishment refusing to act on slavery and racism.
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My understanding is that 56% of Bristolians wanted it to remain?
However the way it was taken down has gone along way towards what you are hearing at games now and as more fans get in I think its going to get alot worse.
If as the players claim (and I believe them) its not political then lets lose the BLM logo at the grounds, Sky score box.....etc!
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Yes 56% wanted it to remain, and it would still be there had the plaque been changed following any of the many petitions or campaigns to have a reference to his work as a slaver added to it or any of the other Colston memorials in the city.
A refusal to acknowledge the history and compromise is why the statue is gone, people in the rest of the country are far more concerned about it than Bristolians.
posted on 8/6/21
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 9 seconds ago
He’s got a point though. Given people have been explicitly told the motivation behind taking the knee, the only reason to boo it can be ignorance on their part. Rather than wanting to resolve that, they’re instead looking for others to accommodate their own ignorance either by stopping taking the knee or removing any BLM signage, looking at some comments on this thread.
It’s a bizarre argument really, essentially saying “I’m ignorant, so everyone else must change”
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So you've selected certain arguments and applied it to everybody that disagrees with taking the knee and called them ignorant.
The stupidity is astounding.
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This is an article about booing.
Do you condemn the booing?
posted on 8/6/21
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/15187092/laurence-fox-england-boo-knee-euro-2020/
When you’re on the same side as Laurence Fox, you should start examining your life choices!
posted on 8/6/21
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 9 seconds ago
He’s got a point though. Given people have been explicitly told the motivation behind taking the knee, the only reason to boo it can be ignorance on their part. Rather than wanting to resolve that, they’re instead looking for others to accommodate their own ignorance either by stopping taking the knee or removing any BLM signage, looking at some comments on this thread.
It’s a bizarre argument really, essentially saying “I’m ignorant, so everyone else must change”
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So you've selected certain arguments and applied it to everybody that disagrees with taking the knee and called them ignorant.
The stupidity is astounding.
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There aren’t any other arguments aside from either the one that the players have explicitly stated or ones people are making up in their own heads, that’s the entire point.
Do you not realise the irony of your comment when in order to get offended by it you literally have to make up someone else’s motivations for doing it in order to do so? And then to accuse others of stupidity?!
It’s like a collective loss of any rational thought whatsoever
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