As far as I'm aware, although the gesture was taken from US sports the FA were pretty careful to disassociate the act from BLM at the start as it was triggered by racism going on online rather than stuff in the states.
The ones booing it seem to be the majority of the ones who are making it political and bringing BLM into it, which I'd imagine is mostly a veil to make grey area where they can be racist with justification, while stringing along some idiots who genuinely believe they're in the right.
I understand some players like Zaha feel the gesture is meaningless and some don't want to be associated with BLM, which is their right, but it seems like the feeling among the players is simply one of showing solidarity against racism and some players are either a little off the wavelength of others or just don't want a pity party because they cope in different ways, which is fine.
As a white man I know that if a co-worker asked me to make a small gesture like this to show I'm against racism I'd be happy to oblige as it's not for me to make decisions about how they should cope with these things going on, let alone boo them for it.
I honestly can't imagine how unfulfilled these peoples lives must be if they carry so much anger and resentment around regarding things that shouldn't really involve them.
comment by Colemanballs-جيش الدفاع الإسرا�... (U22246)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 2 minutes ago
Does Zaha boo?
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Has anyone got concrete proof that only white people boo when players take the knee?
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99 per cent of football supporters in this country are white. You don`t need any evidence.
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comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 13 seconds ago
Does Zaha boo?
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No but it gets rid of the ridiculous posturing from people who think that disagreeing with taking a knee are racist.
And football fans generally disagree by booing.
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He has said why he doesn't take the knee. England have said why they take the knee. I'm not really sure what reason anyone could have to boo the national team given the reason they have said.
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"My decision to stand at kick-off has been public knowledge for a couple of weeks now," Zaha said in a statement released before a 1–0 win over West Bromwich Albion. "There is no right or wrong decision, but for me personally I feel kneeling has just become a part of the pre-match routine and at the moment it doesn’t matter whether we kneel or stand, some of us still continue to receive abuse."
comment by For Fox Sake (U4263)
posted 25 minutes ago
South Side
I have just checked the BLM UK website which states on its front page:
"We stand together across the globe to change the world, we kneel together in peace and solidarity asserting Black people are treated as equals to White people. It is a human right to receive racial equality, social and criminal justice in the societies we live and to receive parity as full citizens of the country and as a united nation.
We are a non-political, non-partisan, non-violence platform. Some content published on our website may have limited political content by the very nature of a country state governed and under a system of democracy. We operate in a humanitarian capacity and concern before all else.
We are not operating in a political capacity, are not a member of nor are we connected with any political party or political campaign".
Please stop pedalling lies to further your own agenda of hatred.
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posted 2 minutes ago
Does Zaha boo?
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Has anyone got concrete proof that only white people boo when players take the knee?
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99 per cent of football supporters in this country are white. You don`t need any evidence.
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So that's a lazy no from Sandy then
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comment by Colemanballs-جيش الدفاع الإسرائيلي (U22246)
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comment by The scenes (U22442)
posted 47 seconds ago
Can somebody explain then why some players including Wilf Zaha don’t take a knee before kick off?
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He must be a racist,just like those in the crowd who boo are in some posters eyes.Boo you are a racist,don't support BLM by kneeling you are a racist
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Oh I thought it must’ve been that, after reading this article it would seem that yes Zaha is intact a racist as he doesn’t support taking a knee…….
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There are no grey areas apparently to some on here regarding people booing.Dare I say it,it's just black and white to them.
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Don’t think I’ve seen one person say Zaha is a racist for opting not to take a knee.
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Why don't they?
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You’d have to ask them.
IMO it’s his choice as to whether he does it or not. I respect that choice and am not doing to do something like boo him for it
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 14 minutes ago
Why Zaha has opted not to kneel.
https://www.si.com/.amp/soccer/2021/03/13/wilfried-zaha-first-player-declines-kneeling-pre-match
Also exactly articulates why I and many people I know disagree with taking a knee.
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But according to the usual posters on here that makes you a RACIST
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, worse ever Spurs manager (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs-جيش الدفاع الإسرا�... (U22246)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 2 minutes ago
Does Zaha boo?
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Has anyone got concrete proof that only white people boo when players take the knee?
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99 per cent of football supporters in this country are white. You don`t need any evidence.
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How pathetic is your Sandy seriously!! Another made up stat, 99 of match going fans are white…….
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 2 minutes ago
Kick it Out for me, not importing American race wars.
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This 100%!
Red card to racism! Kick it out! Those campaigns were un-corruptible from both sides of the aisle.
Remove any ambiguity in the messaging and if anyone boos then you know where they truly stand!
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posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by The scenes (U22442)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Colemanballs-جيش الدفاع الإسرائيلي (U22246)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by The scenes (U22442)
posted 47 seconds ago
Can somebody explain then why some players including Wilf Zaha don’t take a knee before kick off?
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He must be a racist,just like those in the crowd who boo are in some posters eyes.Boo you are a racist,don't support BLM by kneeling you are a racist
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Oh I thought it must’ve been that, after reading this article it would seem that yes Zaha is intact a racist as he doesn’t support taking a knee…….
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There are no grey areas apparently to some on here regarding people booing.Dare I say it,it's just black and white to them.
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Don’t think I’ve seen one person say Zaha is a racist for opting not to take a knee.
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Why don't they?
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You’d have to ask them.
IMO it’s his choice as to whether he does it or not. I respect that choice and am not doing to do something like boo him for it
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If it was a white player not taking the knee for the same reason,would you also be so supportive.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by The scenes (U22442)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Colemanballs-جيش الدفاع الإسرائيلي (U22246)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by The scenes (U22442)
posted 47 seconds ago
Can somebody explain then why some players including Wilf Zaha don’t take a knee before kick off?
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He must be a racist,just like those in the crowd who boo are in some posters eyes.Boo you are a racist,don't support BLM by kneeling you are a racist
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Oh I thought it must’ve been that, after reading this article it would seem that yes Zaha is intact a racist as he doesn’t support taking a knee…….
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There are no grey areas apparently to some on here regarding people booing.Dare I say it,it's just black and white to them.
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Don’t think I’ve seen one person say Zaha is a racist for opting not to take a knee.
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Why don't they?
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You’d have to ask them.
IMO it’s his choice as to whether he does it or not. I respect that choice and am not doing to do something like boo him for it
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If it was a white player not taking the knee for the same reason,would you also be so supportive.
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We all know the answer to that, let’s see how he squirms out of this question…
There’s a difference between opting not to take a knee and to actively booing players doing it.
The majority I’ve seen have said it’s due to the attachment to a faction of the BLM political movement. Ironic really that in associating it with that, it has led to them misinterpreting the intentions of the gesture by people too.
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posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Colemanballs-جيش الدفاع الإسرائيلي (U22246)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The scenes (U22442)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Colemanballs-جيش الدفاع الإسرائيلي (U22246)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by The scenes (U22442)
posted 47 seconds ago
Can somebody explain then why some players including Wilf Zaha don’t take a knee before kick off?
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He must be a racist,just like those in the crowd who boo are in some posters eyes.Boo you are a racist,don't support BLM by kneeling you are a racist
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Oh I thought it must’ve been that, after reading this article it would seem that yes Zaha is intact a racist as he doesn’t support taking a knee…….
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There are no grey areas apparently to some on here regarding people booing.Dare I say it,it's just black and white to them.
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Don’t think I’ve seen one person say Zaha is a racist for opting not to take a knee.
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Why don't they?
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You’d have to ask them.
IMO it’s his choice as to whether he does it or not. I respect that choice and am not doing to do something like boo him for it
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If it was a white player not taking the knee for the same reason,would you also be so supportive.
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I still wouldn’t boo them for it no.
Players take the knee because they want to and because they can.
Fans boo because they want to and because they can and because they cannot do what Zaha can do.
We live in a free country.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 35 seconds ago
There’s a difference between opting not to take a knee and to actively booing players doing it.
The majority I’ve seen have said it’s due to the attachment to a faction of the BLM political movement. Ironic really that in associating it with that, it has led to them misinterpreting the intentions of the gesture by people too.
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But this is communications 101. It doesn't matter what the intention of the communication was, it is how it is received. The fact that there is booing suggests one of two things.
a) the fans are racist
b) the message has been corrupted along the way.
The fact that you see so many people post different answers to why people are booing suggests it is b.
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, worse ever Spurs manager (U20567)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 19 minutes ago
Because taking the knee is linked to BLM. BLM clearly are a political organisation who have some pretty far left goals such as ending capitalism, ending the nuclear family, defunding the police, its all on the websites both in the UK and US. The founders of BLM are self avowed "trained marxists" so yeah, not something anyone should be supporting.
Ask yourself this. If the booing was racist why did the same fans always clap for the Kick it Out pre-game announcement - which is clearly a charity and not a political movement?
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Nonsense, taking the knee was out long before BLM was formed. It is purely a gesture aimed at the racists. Racists are hiding behind the political nonsense.
If I was the players, as soon as the slightest hint of booing started, I would just walk off.
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Why do people choose to ignore the political aspect to taking the knee? It just seems to be another reason to hit people over the head with the racist bollocks.
We only started taking the knee after what happened in the States. BLM are officially recognised as a political party. Most of their policies are disgraceful, unless you are of a certain political persuasion you wouldn't agree with them. Sky Sports and the Premier League decided to use a logo of a political party and still do.
It's nothing to do with racism. People just don't want to be preached to and talked down to after spending an arm and a leg to watch the footy.
That's my view.
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" taking the knee after what happened in the States. BLM are officially recognised as a political party."
No, they aren't. The fact that you have gotten this basic fact incorrect suggests that your views are based on nonsense.
The scenes
“ We all know the answer to that, let’s see how he squirms out of this question…”
Sorry to disappoint. I know you thought it was a gotcha moment but you got all excited for nothing in the end
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 35 seconds ago
There’s a difference between opting not to take a knee and to actively booing players doing it.
The majority I’ve seen have said it’s due to the attachment to a faction of the BLM political movement. Ironic really that in associating it with that, it has led to them misinterpreting the intentions of the gesture by people too.
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But this is communications 101. It doesn't matter what the intention of the communication was, it is how it is received. The fact that there is booing suggests one of two things.
a) the fans are racist
b) the message has been corrupted along the way.
The fact that you see so many people post different answers to why people are booing suggests it is b.
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Absolutely. Ultimately at the minute, a lot of people aren’t receiving the message that the players believe they are conveying, that is absolutely true. The key questions then become why and how that happened, which is why I said there was some irony there.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
There’s a difference between opting not to take a knee and to actively booing players doing it.
The majority I’ve seen have said it’s due to the attachment to a faction of the BLM political movement. Ironic really that in associating it with that, it has led to them misinterpreting the intentions of the gesture by people too.
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I think people can be forgiven to see the association. Why are Sky and certain clubs still using the BLM organisation logo?
I don't agree with their politics and I don't agree with their gesture. It's pretty simple. For the record I won't boo the team. It's obviously counter productive and will only end one way.
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posted 57 minutes ago
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posted 17 seconds ago
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, worse ever Spurs manager (U20567)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 19 minutes ago
Because taking the knee is linked to BLM. BLM clearly are a political organisation who have some pretty far left goals such as ending capitalism, ending the nuclear family, defunding the police, its all on the websites both in the UK and US. The founders of BLM are self avowed "trained marxists" so yeah, not something anyone should be supporting.
Ask yourself this. If the booing was racist why did the same fans always clap for the Kick it Out pre-game announcement - which is clearly a charity and not a political movement?
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Nonsense, taking the knee was out long before BLM was formed. It is purely a gesture aimed at the racists. Racists are hiding behind the political nonsense.
If I was the players, as soon as the slightest hint of booing started, I would just walk off.
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Why do people choose to ignore the political aspect to taking the knee? It just seems to be another reason to hit people over the head with the racist bollocks.
We only started taking the knee after what happened in the States. BLM are officially recognised as a political party. Most of their policies are disgraceful, unless you are of a certain political persuasion you wouldn't agree with them. Sky Sports and the Premier League decided to use a logo of a political party and still do.
It's nothing to do with racism. People just don't want to be preached to and talked down to after spending an arm and a leg to watch the footy.
That's my view.
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Can you post some of their official policies that are disgraceful?
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There an extreme political party.
Setting out to disrupt the Western prescribed nuclear family unit for a start. What a most of us want in life. A wife and kids. I don't think many would want to be associated with that.
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Just post the link where they say that instead of interpreting what you think they mean.
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Search on Google for their original values. It's all there. They've had a clean up of their website recently. Let's face it, it's not a good look.
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No. You have claimed a specific claim. Provide evidence of this claim, and show us how you have reached the conclusion that they want to stop people being married and having a family.
I suggest your claim is nonsense and (at best) is based on a lack of understanding.
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 57 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, worse ever Spurs manager (U20567)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 19 minutes ago
Because taking the knee is linked to BLM. BLM clearly are a political organisation who have some pretty far left goals such as ending capitalism, ending the nuclear family, defunding the police, its all on the websites both in the UK and US. The founders of BLM are self avowed "trained marxists" so yeah, not something anyone should be supporting.
Ask yourself this. If the booing was racist why did the same fans always clap for the Kick it Out pre-game announcement - which is clearly a charity and not a political movement?
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Nonsense, taking the knee was out long before BLM was formed. It is purely a gesture aimed at the racists. Racists are hiding behind the political nonsense.
If I was the players, as soon as the slightest hint of booing started, I would just walk off.
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Why do people choose to ignore the political aspect to taking the knee? It just seems to be another reason to hit people over the head with the racist bollocks.
We only started taking the knee after what happened in the States. BLM are officially recognised as a political party. Most of their policies are disgraceful, unless you are of a certain political persuasion you wouldn't agree with them. Sky Sports and the Premier League decided to use a logo of a political party and still do.
It's nothing to do with racism. People just don't want to be preached to and talked down to after spending an arm and a leg to watch the footy.
That's my view.
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Can you post some of their official policies that are disgraceful?
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There an extreme political party.
Setting out to disrupt the Western prescribed nuclear family unit for a start. What a most of us want in life. A wife and kids. I don't think many would want to be associated with that.
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Just post the link where they say that instead of interpreting what you think they mean.
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Search on Google for their original values. It's all there. They've had a clean up of their website recently. Let's face it, it's not a good look.
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No. You have claimed a specific claim. Provide evidence of this claim, and show us how you have reached the conclusion that they want to stop people being married and having a family.
I suggest your claim is nonsense and (at best) is based on a lack of understanding.
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The exact phrasing has already been copy and pasted into this thread but here it is again...
Black Villages: We are committed to disrupting the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure
requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one
another, and especially “our” children to the degree that mothers, parents and children are
comfortable.
I used to think wait "all lives matter"!
Then I was told on social media by someone who started this movement why they say "black lives matter". They want to send the message to those white cops who are trigger happy when they stop black men, and yet they chose different approach for a white person for the same offence, that same as that white person, black lives matter too.
For the record welshpoolfan I'm just the messenger I think people have clung onto that idea when in reality it's not quite the ridiculous message it's being made out to be.
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As far as I'm aware, although the gesture was taken from US sports the FA were pretty careful to disassociate the act from BLM at the start as it was triggered by racism going on online rather than stuff in the states.
The ones booing it seem to be the majority of the ones who are making it political and bringing BLM into it, which I'd imagine is mostly a veil to make grey area where they can be racist with justification, while stringing along some idiots who genuinely believe they're in the right.
I understand some players like Zaha feel the gesture is meaningless and some don't want to be associated with BLM, which is their right, but it seems like the feeling among the players is simply one of showing solidarity against racism and some players are either a little off the wavelength of others or just don't want a pity party because they cope in different ways, which is fine.
As a white man I know that if a co-worker asked me to make a small gesture like this to show I'm against racism I'd be happy to oblige as it's not for me to make decisions about how they should cope with these things going on, let alone boo them for it.
I honestly can't imagine how unfulfilled these peoples lives must be if they carry so much anger and resentment around regarding things that shouldn't really involve them.
posted on 7/6/21
comment by Colemanballs-جيش الدفاع الإسرا�... (U22246)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 2 minutes ago
Does Zaha boo?
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Has anyone got concrete proof that only white people boo when players take the knee?
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99 per cent of football supporters in this country are white. You don`t need any evidence.
posted on 7/6/21
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 13 seconds ago
Does Zaha boo?
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No but it gets rid of the ridiculous posturing from people who think that disagreeing with taking a knee are racist.
And football fans generally disagree by booing.
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He has said why he doesn't take the knee. England have said why they take the knee. I'm not really sure what reason anyone could have to boo the national team given the reason they have said.
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"My decision to stand at kick-off has been public knowledge for a couple of weeks now," Zaha said in a statement released before a 1–0 win over West Bromwich Albion. "There is no right or wrong decision, but for me personally I feel kneeling has just become a part of the pre-match routine and at the moment it doesn’t matter whether we kneel or stand, some of us still continue to receive abuse."
posted on 7/6/21
comment by For Fox Sake (U4263)
posted 25 minutes ago
South Side
I have just checked the BLM UK website which states on its front page:
"We stand together across the globe to change the world, we kneel together in peace and solidarity asserting Black people are treated as equals to White people. It is a human right to receive racial equality, social and criminal justice in the societies we live and to receive parity as full citizens of the country and as a united nation.
We are a non-political, non-partisan, non-violence platform. Some content published on our website may have limited political content by the very nature of a country state governed and under a system of democracy. We operate in a humanitarian capacity and concern before all else.
We are not operating in a political capacity, are not a member of nor are we connected with any political party or political campaign".
Please stop pedalling lies to further your own agenda of hatred.
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posted on 7/6/21
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, worse ever Spurs manager (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Colemanballs-جيش الدفاع الإسرا�... (U22246)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 2 minutes ago
Does Zaha boo?
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Has anyone got concrete proof that only white people boo when players take the knee?
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99 per cent of football supporters in this country are white. You don`t need any evidence.
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So that's a lazy no from Sandy then
posted on 7/6/21
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Colemanballs-جيش الدفاع الإسرائيلي (U22246)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by The scenes (U22442)
posted 47 seconds ago
Can somebody explain then why some players including Wilf Zaha don’t take a knee before kick off?
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He must be a racist,just like those in the crowd who boo are in some posters eyes.Boo you are a racist,don't support BLM by kneeling you are a racist
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Oh I thought it must’ve been that, after reading this article it would seem that yes Zaha is intact a racist as he doesn’t support taking a knee…….
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There are no grey areas apparently to some on here regarding people booing.Dare I say it,it's just black and white to them.
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Don’t think I’ve seen one person say Zaha is a racist for opting not to take a knee.
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Why don't they?
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You’d have to ask them.
IMO it’s his choice as to whether he does it or not. I respect that choice and am not doing to do something like boo him for it
posted on 7/6/21
Going not doing*
posted on 7/6/21
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 14 minutes ago
Why Zaha has opted not to kneel.
https://www.si.com/.amp/soccer/2021/03/13/wilfried-zaha-first-player-declines-kneeling-pre-match
Also exactly articulates why I and many people I know disagree with taking a knee.
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But according to the usual posters on here that makes you a RACIST
posted on 7/6/21
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, worse ever Spurs manager (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs-جيش الدفاع الإسرا�... (U22246)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 2 minutes ago
Does Zaha boo?
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Has anyone got concrete proof that only white people boo when players take the knee?
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99 per cent of football supporters in this country are white. You don`t need any evidence.
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How pathetic is your Sandy seriously!! Another made up stat, 99 of match going fans are white…….
posted on 7/6/21
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 2 minutes ago
Kick it Out for me, not importing American race wars.
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This 100%!
Red card to racism! Kick it out! Those campaigns were un-corruptible from both sides of the aisle.
Remove any ambiguity in the messaging and if anyone boos then you know where they truly stand!
posted on 7/6/21
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs-جيش الدفاع الإسرائيلي (U22246)
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comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Colemanballs-جيش الدفاع الإسرائيلي (U22246)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The scenes (U22442)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Colemanballs-جيش الدفاع الإسرائيلي (U22246)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by The scenes (U22442)
posted 47 seconds ago
Can somebody explain then why some players including Wilf Zaha don’t take a knee before kick off?
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He must be a racist,just like those in the crowd who boo are in some posters eyes.Boo you are a racist,don't support BLM by kneeling you are a racist
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Oh I thought it must’ve been that, after reading this article it would seem that yes Zaha is intact a racist as he doesn’t support taking a knee…….
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There are no grey areas apparently to some on here regarding people booing.Dare I say it,it's just black and white to them.
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Don’t think I’ve seen one person say Zaha is a racist for opting not to take a knee.
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Why don't they?
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You’d have to ask them.
IMO it’s his choice as to whether he does it or not. I respect that choice and am not doing to do something like boo him for it
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If it was a white player not taking the knee for the same reason,would you also be so supportive.
posted on 7/6/21
comment by Colemanballs-جيش الدفاع الإسرائيلي (U22246)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs-جيش الدفاع الإسرائيلي (U22246)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Colemanballs-جيش الدفاع الإسرائيلي (U22246)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The scenes (U22442)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Colemanballs-جيش الدفاع الإسرائيلي (U22246)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by The scenes (U22442)
posted 47 seconds ago
Can somebody explain then why some players including Wilf Zaha don’t take a knee before kick off?
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He must be a racist,just like those in the crowd who boo are in some posters eyes.Boo you are a racist,don't support BLM by kneeling you are a racist
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Oh I thought it must’ve been that, after reading this article it would seem that yes Zaha is intact a racist as he doesn’t support taking a knee…….
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There are no grey areas apparently to some on here regarding people booing.Dare I say it,it's just black and white to them.
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Don’t think I’ve seen one person say Zaha is a racist for opting not to take a knee.
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Why don't they?
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You’d have to ask them.
IMO it’s his choice as to whether he does it or not. I respect that choice and am not doing to do something like boo him for it
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If it was a white player not taking the knee for the same reason,would you also be so supportive.
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We all know the answer to that, let’s see how he squirms out of this question…
posted on 7/6/21
There’s a difference between opting not to take a knee and to actively booing players doing it.
The majority I’ve seen have said it’s due to the attachment to a faction of the BLM political movement. Ironic really that in associating it with that, it has led to them misinterpreting the intentions of the gesture by people too.
posted on 7/6/21
comment by Colemanballs-جيش الدفاع الإسرائيلي (U22246)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs-جيش الدفاع الإسرائيلي (U22246)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Colemanballs-جيش الدفاع الإسرائيلي (U22246)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The scenes (U22442)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Colemanballs-جيش الدفاع الإسرائيلي (U22246)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by The scenes (U22442)
posted 47 seconds ago
Can somebody explain then why some players including Wilf Zaha don’t take a knee before kick off?
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He must be a racist,just like those in the crowd who boo are in some posters eyes.Boo you are a racist,don't support BLM by kneeling you are a racist
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Oh I thought it must’ve been that, after reading this article it would seem that yes Zaha is intact a racist as he doesn’t support taking a knee…….
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There are no grey areas apparently to some on here regarding people booing.Dare I say it,it's just black and white to them.
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Don’t think I’ve seen one person say Zaha is a racist for opting not to take a knee.
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Why don't they?
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You’d have to ask them.
IMO it’s his choice as to whether he does it or not. I respect that choice and am not doing to do something like boo him for it
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If it was a white player not taking the knee for the same reason,would you also be so supportive.
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I still wouldn’t boo them for it no.
posted on 7/6/21
Players take the knee because they want to and because they can.
Fans boo because they want to and because they can and because they cannot do what Zaha can do.
We live in a free country.
posted on 7/6/21
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 35 seconds ago
There’s a difference between opting not to take a knee and to actively booing players doing it.
The majority I’ve seen have said it’s due to the attachment to a faction of the BLM political movement. Ironic really that in associating it with that, it has led to them misinterpreting the intentions of the gesture by people too.
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But this is communications 101. It doesn't matter what the intention of the communication was, it is how it is received. The fact that there is booing suggests one of two things.
a) the fans are racist
b) the message has been corrupted along the way.
The fact that you see so many people post different answers to why people are booing suggests it is b.
posted on 7/6/21
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, worse ever Spurs manager (U20567)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 19 minutes ago
Because taking the knee is linked to BLM. BLM clearly are a political organisation who have some pretty far left goals such as ending capitalism, ending the nuclear family, defunding the police, its all on the websites both in the UK and US. The founders of BLM are self avowed "trained marxists" so yeah, not something anyone should be supporting.
Ask yourself this. If the booing was racist why did the same fans always clap for the Kick it Out pre-game announcement - which is clearly a charity and not a political movement?
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Nonsense, taking the knee was out long before BLM was formed. It is purely a gesture aimed at the racists. Racists are hiding behind the political nonsense.
If I was the players, as soon as the slightest hint of booing started, I would just walk off.
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Why do people choose to ignore the political aspect to taking the knee? It just seems to be another reason to hit people over the head with the racist bollocks.
We only started taking the knee after what happened in the States. BLM are officially recognised as a political party. Most of their policies are disgraceful, unless you are of a certain political persuasion you wouldn't agree with them. Sky Sports and the Premier League decided to use a logo of a political party and still do.
It's nothing to do with racism. People just don't want to be preached to and talked down to after spending an arm and a leg to watch the footy.
That's my view.
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" taking the knee after what happened in the States. BLM are officially recognised as a political party."
No, they aren't. The fact that you have gotten this basic fact incorrect suggests that your views are based on nonsense.
posted on 7/6/21
The scenes
“ We all know the answer to that, let’s see how he squirms out of this question…”
Sorry to disappoint. I know you thought it was a gotcha moment but you got all excited for nothing in the end
posted on 7/6/21
comment by add912 (U9189)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 35 seconds ago
There’s a difference between opting not to take a knee and to actively booing players doing it.
The majority I’ve seen have said it’s due to the attachment to a faction of the BLM political movement. Ironic really that in associating it with that, it has led to them misinterpreting the intentions of the gesture by people too.
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But this is communications 101. It doesn't matter what the intention of the communication was, it is how it is received. The fact that there is booing suggests one of two things.
a) the fans are racist
b) the message has been corrupted along the way.
The fact that you see so many people post different answers to why people are booing suggests it is b.
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Absolutely. Ultimately at the minute, a lot of people aren’t receiving the message that the players believe they are conveying, that is absolutely true. The key questions then become why and how that happened, which is why I said there was some irony there.
posted on 7/6/21
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
There’s a difference between opting not to take a knee and to actively booing players doing it.
The majority I’ve seen have said it’s due to the attachment to a faction of the BLM political movement. Ironic really that in associating it with that, it has led to them misinterpreting the intentions of the gesture by people too.
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I think people can be forgiven to see the association. Why are Sky and certain clubs still using the BLM organisation logo?
I don't agree with their politics and I don't agree with their gesture. It's pretty simple. For the record I won't boo the team. It's obviously counter productive and will only end one way.
posted on 7/6/21
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, worse ever Spurs manager (U20567)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 19 minutes ago
Because taking the knee is linked to BLM. BLM clearly are a political organisation who have some pretty far left goals such as ending capitalism, ending the nuclear family, defunding the police, its all on the websites both in the UK and US. The founders of BLM are self avowed "trained marxists" so yeah, not something anyone should be supporting.
Ask yourself this. If the booing was racist why did the same fans always clap for the Kick it Out pre-game announcement - which is clearly a charity and not a political movement?
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Nonsense, taking the knee was out long before BLM was formed. It is purely a gesture aimed at the racists. Racists are hiding behind the political nonsense.
If I was the players, as soon as the slightest hint of booing started, I would just walk off.
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Why do people choose to ignore the political aspect to taking the knee? It just seems to be another reason to hit people over the head with the racist bollocks.
We only started taking the knee after what happened in the States. BLM are officially recognised as a political party. Most of their policies are disgraceful, unless you are of a certain political persuasion you wouldn't agree with them. Sky Sports and the Premier League decided to use a logo of a political party and still do.
It's nothing to do with racism. People just don't want to be preached to and talked down to after spending an arm and a leg to watch the footy.
That's my view.
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Can you post some of their official policies that are disgraceful?
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There an extreme political party.
Setting out to disrupt the Western prescribed nuclear family unit for a start. What a most of us want in life. A wife and kids. I don't think many would want to be associated with that.
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Just post the link where they say that instead of interpreting what you think they mean.
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Search on Google for their original values. It's all there. They've had a clean up of their website recently. Let's face it, it's not a good look.
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No. You have claimed a specific claim. Provide evidence of this claim, and show us how you have reached the conclusion that they want to stop people being married and having a family.
I suggest your claim is nonsense and (at best) is based on a lack of understanding.
posted on 7/6/21
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by sandy, Ryan Mason, worse ever Spurs manager (U20567)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Sporty and Portly - LFC (U8531)
posted 19 minutes ago
Because taking the knee is linked to BLM. BLM clearly are a political organisation who have some pretty far left goals such as ending capitalism, ending the nuclear family, defunding the police, its all on the websites both in the UK and US. The founders of BLM are self avowed "trained marxists" so yeah, not something anyone should be supporting.
Ask yourself this. If the booing was racist why did the same fans always clap for the Kick it Out pre-game announcement - which is clearly a charity and not a political movement?
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Nonsense, taking the knee was out long before BLM was formed. It is purely a gesture aimed at the racists. Racists are hiding behind the political nonsense.
If I was the players, as soon as the slightest hint of booing started, I would just walk off.
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Why do people choose to ignore the political aspect to taking the knee? It just seems to be another reason to hit people over the head with the racist bollocks.
We only started taking the knee after what happened in the States. BLM are officially recognised as a political party. Most of their policies are disgraceful, unless you are of a certain political persuasion you wouldn't agree with them. Sky Sports and the Premier League decided to use a logo of a political party and still do.
It's nothing to do with racism. People just don't want to be preached to and talked down to after spending an arm and a leg to watch the footy.
That's my view.
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Can you post some of their official policies that are disgraceful?
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There an extreme political party.
Setting out to disrupt the Western prescribed nuclear family unit for a start. What a most of us want in life. A wife and kids. I don't think many would want to be associated with that.
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Just post the link where they say that instead of interpreting what you think they mean.
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Search on Google for their original values. It's all there. They've had a clean up of their website recently. Let's face it, it's not a good look.
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No. You have claimed a specific claim. Provide evidence of this claim, and show us how you have reached the conclusion that they want to stop people being married and having a family.
I suggest your claim is nonsense and (at best) is based on a lack of understanding.
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The exact phrasing has already been copy and pasted into this thread but here it is again...
Black Villages: We are committed to disrupting the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure
requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one
another, and especially “our” children to the degree that mothers, parents and children are
comfortable.
posted on 7/6/21
I used to think wait "all lives matter"!
Then I was told on social media by someone who started this movement why they say "black lives matter". They want to send the message to those white cops who are trigger happy when they stop black men, and yet they chose different approach for a white person for the same offence, that same as that white person, black lives matter too.
posted on 7/6/21
For the record welshpoolfan I'm just the messenger I think people have clung onto that idea when in reality it's not quite the ridiculous message it's being made out to be.
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