Yes and under that instruction, the safety car has to come in at the end of the following lap

It's in black and white in the regulations.

Masi made his own rules up and made a Kant of it.

I don't think the FIA will change the outcome, but will be seeing the inside of a courtroom in the near future as a result.

So, Stevie is saying that if Masi invoked that rule - letting all lapped cars through - then yes, the safety car needed to do another lap.

BUT, Stevie thinks that Masi did NOT invoke that rule. Rather, he invoked a new, bespoke rule / de facto rule, letting four specific cars through. This de facto rule is not legislated for in the provisions, therefore, no requirement for any extra lap of the SC.

Not saying I agree with him (I absolutely don’t!), but that seems to be his reasoning

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comment by MK (U9129)
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I’ve always like red bull tbh. They literally are based 10 mins from my house
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That’s pretty cool, to be fair.

I liked them when they first joined the sport but Christian has tainted everything and Helmut Marko seems like a terrifying man, cut from the same cloth as the questionable Austrians!
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Me and Lewis grew up in Stevenage. Same year at school so played against him a few times in football.

Moved to MK about 15 years ago.

Another not I worked for force India a few years ago for about a year.

There is nothing in the rules that says if the race director instructs certain cars to overtake and not others....then the safety car has to come in at a spefici point

There is nothing in the rules that says that anywhere...the rules only state what happens when the instruction "LAPPED CARS TO OVERTAKE" is given...which wasn't

Under all other circumstances, the rule is, the safety car comes in when the race director deems it safe to do so

comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
posted 9 minutes ago
It really grinds me when someone who has spent their life in a sport and gotten themselves to its pinnacle seems to know so little about it and the history.

I’m sure we all have football analogies, where ex-pro’s have the worst take on the game that they’ve seen, and with F1 we have Jolyon Palmer.

I actually met the kid just before his F1 season and he seemed shock that I considered Alonso to be the best driver on the grid at the time. Like shocked he was even in the equation!

Now, anything I read of his on BBC is either laughably obvious or laughably risible.
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And whilst Alonso is still in F1 at 40 years old, Palmer is bit part journalist for a state media broadcaster.

Karma.

Said it time and again, he wanted to let them racez so moved the lapped cars out the way to do so

Controversial.... absolutely

But Masi can't be blamed for Mercedes not changing Lewis tyres mid race....or for Lewis bad luck regards his position on the track when the Safety Car came out

Interesting, Max twitter is not showing any tweets on the WDC. Waiting for the decission??

If you’re Max, do you just go and get hammered? Whatever the decision, it’s killed the celebrations for either driver / team

I don't know whether it would make even more a mockery of the sport if they took the Championship away from Max now. I mean Hamilton should be the winner but to win it that way just leaves so much egg on F1's face.

comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 5 minutes ago
It's in black and white in the regulations.

Masi made his own rules up and made a Kant of it.

I don't think the FIA will change the outcome, but will be seeing the inside of a courtroom in the near future as a result.
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This.

Denied Hamilton being out on his own as an 8 time champion. The financial loss and legacy loss for Hamilton is huge. FIA are gonna need deep pockets.

comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
posted 6 minutes ago
So, Stevie is saying that if Masi invoked that rule - letting all lapped cars through - then yes, the safety car needed to do another lap.

BUT, Stevie thinks that Masi did NOT invoke that rule. Rather, he invoked a new, bespoke rule / de facto rule, letting four specific cars through. This de facto rule is not legislated for in the provisions, therefore, no requirement for any extra lap of the SC.

Not saying I agree with him (I absolutely don’t!), but that seems to be his reasoning
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It's almost like Stevie is making it up as he goes along 🤔😂

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comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 5 minutes ago
It's in black and white in the regulations.

Masi made his own rules up and made a Kant of it.

I don't think the FIA will change the outcome, but will be seeing the inside of a courtroom in the near future as a result.
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This.
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This is all on the premise that there is a rule stating the race director must either let all lapped cars overtake....or none

There is nothing that says this...so there is nothing in black and white in the regulations that Masi has directly contradicted by giving the instructions he did

That race should have finished behind the safety car, but the F1 bods didn’t want that to be the spectacle, this version screwed up by Masi maybe worse for them tho

comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 6 minutes ago
Said it time and again, he wanted to let them racez so moved the lapped cars out the way to do so

Controversial.... absolutely

But Masi can't be blamed for Mercedes not changing Lewis tyres mid race....or for Lewis bad luck regards his position on the track when the Safety Car came out
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It's like a referee just making rules up during a world cup final 😂

Couldnt stand Alonso before this season, but changed my mind on him gradually as the season went on. Called the win for Max justice , legend

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comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
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So, Stevie is saying that if Masi invoked that rule - letting all lapped cars through - then yes, the safety car needed to do another lap.

BUT, Stevie thinks that Masi did NOT invoke that rule. Rather, he invoked a new, bespoke rule / de facto rule, letting four specific cars through. This de facto rule is not legislated for in the provisions, therefore, no requirement for any extra lap of the SC.

Not saying I agree with him (I absolutely don’t!), but that seems to be his reasoning
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It's almost like Stevie is making it up as he goes along 🤔😂
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It's called interpreting the rules mate, as they are written

Not saying Masi is innocent, far from it....but what he did, isn't covered in the rules.....anywhere

He made a call to let some cars pass and not others
He then brought the safety car in when it was safe to do so.

If there are rules against either of these things...he's in the wrong....but I don't see any

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comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 5 minutes ago
It's in black and white in the regulations.

Masi made his own rules up and made a Kant of it.

I don't think the FIA will change the outcome, but will be seeing the inside of a courtroom in the near future as a result.
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This.
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This is all on the premise that there is a rule stating the race director must either let all lapped cars overtake....or none

There is nothing that says this...so there is nothing in black and white in the regulations that Masi has directly contradicted by giving the instructions he did
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Is there a rule saying that a Race Director can make up his own rules during a race whisky ignoring the pre-agreed race regulations?

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comment by St3vie (U11028)
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comment by rooney_hernandez (U7012)
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So, Stevie is saying that if Masi invoked that rule - letting all lapped cars through - then yes, the safety car needed to do another lap.

BUT, Stevie thinks that Masi did NOT invoke that rule. Rather, he invoked a new, bespoke rule / de facto rule, letting four specific cars through. This de facto rule is not legislated for in the provisions, therefore, no requirement for any extra lap of the SC.

Not saying I agree with him (I absolutely don’t!), but that seems to be his reasoning
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It's almost like Stevie is making it up as he goes along 🤔😂
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It's called interpreting the rules mate, as they are written

Not saying Masi is innocent, far from it....but what he did, isn't covered in the rules.....anywhere

He made a call to let some cars pass and not others
He then brought the safety car in when it was safe to do so.

If there are rules against either of these things...he's in the wrong....but I don't see any
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He didn't interpret the rule though.

He created his own rule

You can't just choose to follow half of a rule.

It'd be like sending a defender off for a blatant foul in the penalty box and then choosing not to give the penalty

That would be in contradiction of the rules though

Tell me what rule Masi has contradicted...or broken?

The point is that he either applied half (or part of an existing rule), or just made up his own rule whilst ignoring the rule that was put in place for this very scenario.

You can't just change the rules during a race.

As I've said, it's be like a referee making up new rules during a World Cup final.

One team being 3-0 up and he calls 'next goal wins' whilst giving a dubious penalty to the losing team.

There are regulations written down for a reason..they are to be adhered to in order to have fair racing otherwise it just turns into Mario Kart 😂

Watching you try to justify Masi making a massive kant of this is hilarious btw.