comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 25 minutes ago
I dont like my neighbour. They spread lies about me when they didnt like an extension I built on my house. I do not wish them well.

However, I would not go and stand outside their funeral and heckle their family, shouting about what a dishonest nasty piece of work their relation was, even though i am entitled to. It would be in bad taste and show a complete lack of decency and respect for those grieving (even if I had no respect for the person who died).

Freedom of speech is a right we all have but abusing it or ill considered application of it will cause harm
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Thanks for that really interesting story and normal post. It really puts it all into perspective.

comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matte... (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
I dont like my neighbour. They spread lies about me when they didnt like an extension I built on my house. I do not wish them well.

However, I would not go and stand outside their funeral and heckle their family, shouting about what a dishonest nasty piece of work their relation was, even though i am entitled to. It would be in bad taste and show a complete lack of decency and respect for those grieving (even if I had no respect for the person who died).

Freedom of speech is a right we all have but abusing it or ill considered application of it will cause harm
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Of course doing that to your neighbour would be stupid, but your neighbour isn't the King. People who feel like this should quit the royal family then. Being a royal isn't just the good stuff alone, the perks come with a cost.

Anyone living a public life gives up some of their rights to privacy. You can't pick and choose when to be private and when to be public.
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I have a grievance with my neighbour as some people do with the monarchy...and there is an appropriate ands respectful time to air that grievance and while mourning is not the right time.

As for your "take the rough with the smooth" public life argument...no one should expect to be be heckled at this moment in their life, and it is a sad reality that this has happened, but people should not condone such disrespectful behaviour on the basis of freedom of speech or being a public figure.

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb Eriksen (U22716)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Eagle Fang (U9028)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 20 minutes ago
So Charles doesn’t have to pay inheritance tax on his mothers estimated £750Million fortune.

One rule for one….
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True, what's IHT 40%? That's £300 million anyone else would have to pay.

But hey, he fell out of a magical muff apparently, which makes him better thatn you, and deserving of a lofty position that has its own rules and laws.

So zip it you filthy commoner!
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Yeah but tourism £ means the charade has to apparently keep going
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Because tourism would stop? like it did in France….oh wait.
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Tourism in France is in the Côte d'Azur, the Alps, Normandy, Brittany, Paris, Dordogne etc.

Out of the money not paid to HMG some goes for maintenance of Crown Estate, anyway it's all available on the Web. You can't have a monarchy on peanuts.

Finally, we live in a democracy and the majority want it. So why should it disappear to suit the minority.
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But we obviously DON’T live in a democracy. If we did we’d have the right to elect our own head of state, and not be forced to pay for one nobody voted for.

comment by Henry Chinaski (U21800)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
'Hurling abuse'

As far as I can tell, no one 'hurled abuse' - the guy said 'Andrew, you're a sick man' - that's all.

Granted it was while he's following the coffin so it's distasteful (I suppose, even considering what Andrew did) but it shouldn't be an offence or even worthy of being 'moved on' by the police.

People that want protests stifled always say 'it's not the right time/place' but what they really want is for you to protest out of sight so you can be more easily ignored.

People criticised me for comparing this country, during the past few days, to North Korea but I stand by it. The attempt to present the country as 100% united in mourning and the stifling of anything remotely resembling dissent is eerily similar.

If support for the monarchy is so universal they wouldn't need to harass/arrest people holding pieces of paper (in some cases blank paper!) into silence would they?
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The Monarchy has nothing to do with it. It's the current tory party who actually introduced it to stop people protesting at them.

And who says the majority want it when we’re not even allowed to have the f*cking debate?

comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb Eriksen (U22716)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Eagle Fang (U9028)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 20 minutes ago
So Charles doesn’t have to pay inheritance tax on his mothers estimated £750Million fortune.

One rule for one….
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True, what's IHT 40%? That's £300 million anyone else would have to pay.

But hey, he fell out of a magical muff apparently, which makes him better thatn you, and deserving of a lofty position that has its own rules and laws.

So zip it you filthy commoner!
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Yeah but tourism £ means the charade has to apparently keep going
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Because tourism would stop? like it did in France….oh wait.
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Tourism in France is in the Côte d'Azur, the Alps, Normandy, Brittany, Paris, Dordogne etc.

Out of the money not paid to HMG some goes for maintenance of Crown Estate, anyway it's all available on the Web. You can't have a monarchy on peanuts.

Finally, we live in a democracy and the majority want it. So why should it disappear to suit the minority.
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This is the question nobody can answer.
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It was answered yesterday. Support for the monarchy gas been declining for nearly half a century and the decline is picking up pace. Only 10 years ago it was 75% now it's 60%.

Going by your logic, the moment it goes below 50% then the monarchy should be immediately wound up?
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As soon as the support for pro-abolition goes over and above 50%, yes. We are a hell of a long way from that though.

comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Robb Eriksen (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb Eriksen (U22716)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Eagle Fang (U9028)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 20 minutes ago
So Charles doesn’t have to pay inheritance tax on his mothers estimated £750Million fortune.

One rule for one….
----------------------------------------------------------------------

True, what's IHT 40%? That's £300 million anyone else would have to pay.

But hey, he fell out of a magical muff apparently, which makes him better thatn you, and deserving of a lofty position that has its own rules and laws.

So zip it you filthy commoner!
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Yeah but tourism £ means the charade has to apparently keep going
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Because tourism would stop? like it did in France….oh wait.
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Yep, I’m sure tourism money would actually increase if all the palaces were opened up. Look at the Tower of London. Packed. Imagine if everyone could go in Buckingham Palace and see where the queen once shouted at her corgis for shiiiiting on the carpet
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I'm sure it wouldn't

I have a grievance with my neighbour as some people do with the monarchy
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No mate, it's absolutely not the same. You're being petty because somebody said something about you that you don't like whereas the monarchy is a matter of national interest.

Just because both can be called grievances doesn't mean they are the same thing.

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 25 minutes ago
I dont like my neighbour. They spread lies about me when they didnt like an extension I built on my house. I do not wish them well.

However, I would not go and stand outside their funeral and heckle their family, shouting about what a dishonest nasty piece of work their relation was, even though i am entitled to. It would be in bad taste and show a complete lack of decency and respect for those grieving (even if I had no respect for the person who died).

Freedom of speech is a right we all have but abusing it or ill considered application of it will cause harm
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Thanks for that really interesting story and normal post. It really puts it all into perspective.
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I think that extension story is just a front, they don’t like him because he’s a cuuunt.

comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb Eriksen (U22716)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Eagle Fang (U9028)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 20 minutes ago
So Charles doesn’t have to pay inheritance tax on his mothers estimated £750Million fortune.

One rule for one….
----------------------------------------------------------------------

True, what's IHT 40%? That's £300 million anyone else would have to pay.

But hey, he fell out of a magical muff apparently, which makes him better thatn you, and deserving of a lofty position that has its own rules and laws.

So zip it you filthy commoner!
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yeah but tourism £ means the charade has to apparently keep going
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because tourism would stop? like it did in France….oh wait.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tourism in France is in the Côte d'Azur, the Alps, Normandy, Brittany, Paris, Dordogne etc.

Out of the money not paid to HMG some goes for maintenance of Crown Estate, anyway it's all available on the Web. You can't have a monarchy on peanuts.

Finally, we live in a democracy and the majority want it. So why should it disappear to suit the minority.
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This is the question nobody can answer.
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It was answered yesterday. Support for the monarchy gas been declining for nearly half a century and the decline is picking up pace. Only 10 years ago it was 75% now it's 60%.

Going by your logic, the moment it goes below 50% then the monarchy should be immediately wound up?
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As soon as the support for pro-abolition goes over and above 50%, yes. We are a hell of a long way from that though.
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So who decides when the support has gone below 50%. Are the US gonna do a referendum?

And it will happen in our lifetime too so not too far away in the grand scheme.

comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
I dont like my neighbour. They spread lies about me when they didnt like an extension I built on my house. I do not wish them well.

However, I would not go and stand outside their funeral and heckle their family, shouting about what a dishonest nasty piece of work their relation was, even though i am entitled to. It would be in bad taste and show a complete lack of decency and respect for those grieving (even if I had no respect for the person who died).

Freedom of speech is a right we all have but abusing it or ill considered application of it will cause harm
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course doing that to your neighbour would be stupid, but your neighbour isn't the King. People who feel like this should quit the royal family then. Being a royal isn't just the good stuff alone, the perks come with a cost.

Anyone living a public life gives up some of their rights to privacy. You can't pick and choose when to be private and when to be public.
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Yes you can, the Queen dod
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Clearly not as this is her funeral.
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She always had a private life. It would be intolerable otherwise. And no retirement, she had engagements up to her death

*Are they

comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Boy From The South (U3979)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robb Eriksen (U22716)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Eagle Fang (U9028)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 20 minutes ago
So Charles doesn’t have to pay inheritance tax on his mothers estimated £750Million fortune.

One rule for one….
----------------------------------------------------------------------

True, what's IHT 40%? That's £300 million anyone else would have to pay.

But hey, he fell out of a magical muff apparently, which makes him better thatn you, and deserving of a lofty position that has its own rules and laws.

So zip it you filthy commoner!
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yeah but tourism £ means the charade has to apparently keep going
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because tourism would stop? like it did in France….oh wait.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tourism in France is in the Côte d'Azur, the Alps, Normandy, Brittany, Paris, Dordogne etc.

Out of the money not paid to HMG some goes for maintenance of Crown Estate, anyway it's all available on the Web. You can't have a monarchy on peanuts.

Finally, we live in a democracy and the majority want it. So why should it disappear to suit the minority.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is the question nobody can answer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It was answered yesterday. Support for the monarchy gas been declining for nearly half a century and the decline is picking up pace. Only 10 years ago it was 75% now it's 60%.

Going by your logic, the moment it goes below 50% then the monarchy should be immediately wound up?
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As soon as the support for pro-abolition goes over and above 50%, yes. We are a hell of a long way from that though.
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So who decides when the support has gone below 50%. Are the US gonna do a referendum?

And it will happen in our lifetime too so not too far away in the grand scheme.
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It certainly won't in my lifetime.

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
I dont like my neighbour. They spread lies about me when they didnt like an extension I built on my house. I do not wish them well.

However, I would not go and stand outside their funeral and heckle their family, shouting about what a dishonest nasty piece of work their relation was, even though i am entitled to. It would be in bad taste and show a complete lack of decency and respect for those grieving (even if I had no respect for the person who died).

Freedom of speech is a right we all have but abusing it or ill considered application of it will cause harm
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course doing that to your neighbour would be stupid, but your neighbour isn't the King. People who feel like this should quit the royal family then. Being a royal isn't just the good stuff alone, the perks come with a cost.

Anyone living a public life gives up some of their rights to privacy. You can't pick and choose when to be private and when to be public.
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Yes you can, the Queen dod
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Clearly not as this is her funeral.
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She always had a private life. It would be intolerable otherwise. And no retirement, she had engagements up to her death
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Must have been so hard for her the poor soul. I'm sure nobody would want to live her life.

comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 5 minutes ago
And who says the majority want it when we’re not even allowed to have the f*cking debate?
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Plenty of polls have been done

comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
I dont like my neighbour. They spread lies about me when they didnt like an extension I built on my house. I do not wish them well.

However, I would not go and stand outside their funeral and heckle their family, shouting about what a dishonest nasty piece of work their relation was, even though i am entitled to. It would be in bad taste and show a complete lack of decency and respect for those grieving (even if I had no respect for the person who died).

Freedom of speech is a right we all have but abusing it or ill considered application of it will cause harm
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course doing that to your neighbour would be stupid, but your neighbour isn't the King. People who feel like this should quit the royal family then. Being a royal isn't just the good stuff alone, the perks come with a cost.

Anyone living a public life gives up some of their rights to privacy. You can't pick and choose when to be private and when to be public.
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Yes you can, the Queen dod
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Clearly not as this is her funeral.
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She always had a private life. It would be intolerable otherwise. And no retirement, she had engagements up to her death
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Must have been so hard for her the poor soul. I'm sure nobody would want to live her life.
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Well I wouldnt

comment by Ignacio Varga (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 25 minutes ago
I dont like my neighbour. They spread lies about me when they didnt like an extension I built on my house. I do not wish them well.

However, I would not go and stand outside their funeral and heckle their family, shouting about what a dishonest nasty piece of work their relation was, even though i am entitled to. It would be in bad taste and show a complete lack of decency and respect for those grieving (even if I had no respect for the person who died).

Freedom of speech is a right we all have but abusing it or ill considered application of it will cause harm
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks for that really interesting story and normal post. It really puts it all into perspective.
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I think that extension story is just a front, they don’t like him because he’s a cuuunt.
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Charles doesn't 'inherit' the fortune, he becomes the custodian of the Royal Assets, most of which belong to the country anyway.

If you're expecting to see Charlie Boy down at Cash Converters trying to weigh in a crown or an orb then you're going to be disappointed.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/is-the-monarchy-good-or-bad-for-britain

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posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
I dont like my neighbour. They spread lies about me when they didnt like an extension I built on my house. I do not wish them well.

However, I would not go and stand outside their funeral and heckle their family, shouting about what a dishonest nasty piece of work their relation was, even though i am entitled to. It would be in bad taste and show a complete lack of decency and respect for those grieving (even if I had no respect for the person who died).

Freedom of speech is a right we all have but abusing it or ill considered application of it will cause harm
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course doing that to your neighbour would be stupid, but your neighbour isn't the King. People who feel like this should quit the royal family then. Being a royal isn't just the good stuff alone, the perks come with a cost.

Anyone living a public life gives up some of their rights to privacy. You can't pick and choose when to be private and when to be public.
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Yes you can, the Queen dod
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Clearly not as this is her funeral.
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She always had a private life. It would be intolerable otherwise. And no retirement, she had engagements up to her death
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Must have been so hard for her the poor soul. I'm sure nobody would want to live her life.
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Well I wouldnt
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Speak for yourself. According to Tories and the UK media, Meghan Markle baited Harry just so she could be a princess.

comment by Sadiq Khan (world class mayor) - #JC4PM (U18243)
posted 0 seconds ago
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/is-the-monarchy-good-or-bad-for-britain
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Get real anti-monarchs. You're just a bunch of minority malcontents, unhappy with anything British.

comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
I dont like my neighbour. They spread lies about me when they didnt like an extension I built on my house. I do not wish them well.

However, I would not go and stand outside their funeral and heckle their family, shouting about what a dishonest nasty piece of work their relation was, even though i am entitled to. It would be in bad taste and show a complete lack of decency and respect for those grieving (even if I had no respect for the person who died).

Freedom of speech is a right we all have but abusing it or ill considered application of it will cause harm
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course doing that to your neighbour would be stupid, but your neighbour isn't the King. People who feel like this should quit the royal family then. Being a royal isn't just the good stuff alone, the perks come with a cost.

Anyone living a public life gives up some of their rights to privacy. You can't pick and choose when to be private and when to be public.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes you can, the Queen dod
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Clearly not as this is her funeral.
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She always had a private life. It would be intolerable otherwise. And no retirement, she had engagements up to her death
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Must have been so hard for her the poor soul. I'm sure nobody would want to live her life.
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Very few would if they thought about it. I would like to be rich, but would hate to be a royal. Would you, seriously?

To be honest I don't think it's something I could do. It's easy to look at the perks like the wealth but the negatives would drive me mad.

Constantly having to act a certain way in public, not being able to do simple things like popping to the pub, spending multiple hours a day having to feign interest in everyone you meet, your every action and move being under the microscope etc. It's far worse than being famous due to being say an actor or footballer.

Personally don't envy them at all.

So who decides when the support has gone below 50%. Are the US gonna do a referendum?

And it will happen in our lifetime too so not too far away in the grand scheme.
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Why do people like you use phrases like "will". You have no idea what will happen, for the first time in 70 years we have a new King, and then there will be another afterwards who is incredibly popular in this country.

It's been trending down for a number of reasons (Andrew, Harry and Meghan) but that doesn't mean it'll continue to do so.

It may well do, but pretending it's a certainty makes you look foolish.

There's a very clear distinction to be made here. As with all affirmative action, I believe 50%+1 of the vote is needed to support that action for it to be taken.

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
Charles doesn't 'inherit' the fortune, he becomes the custodian of the Royal Assets
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Which are all f*cking stolen.


To be fair, now would be a good time for nations to slip into the British Museum (whilst everyone is busy doing the grief tourism thing) and take their sh*t back.