Scholes would have folded up and quit at half. Proper bottler.

comment by Jalisco Red - Losing My Reguilón (U4195)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 4 minutes ago
Gerrard would have been handy for cup games, he always seemed to raise his game for those one-offs, fair play to him. We'll never know if he had it in him to help drive his team to relentless title after title like Scholes did, one of the great what-ifs, I guess.
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Would Scholes had driven Liverpool to a CL win? We'll never know!!!
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We already know as Scholes has admitted he couldn't in the video in the OP.

Scholes is a known quitter. I'm sure even United fans know he couldn't have pulled off Istanbul but they can't bring themselves to state some facts outright and they are left with "ifs" and "buts".
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"I'm sure even United fans know he couldn't have pulled off Istanbul but..."

This seems like a pretty big helping of 'if' with a side of 'buts'
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Did I mention how thick sniffers are?

comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Scholes would have folded up and quit at half. Proper bottler.
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Maybe we wouldn't have been 0-3 down at HT with Scholes dictating the game and not slipping at crucial moments though.

comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Jalisco Red - Losing My Reguilón (U4195)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 4 minutes ago
Gerrard would have been handy for cup games, he always seemed to raise his game for those one-offs, fair play to him. We'll never know if he had it in him to help drive his team to relentless title after title like Scholes did, one of the great what-ifs, I guess.
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Would Scholes had driven Liverpool to a CL win? We'll never know!!!
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We already know as Scholes has admitted he couldn't in the video in the OP.

Scholes is a known quitter. I'm sure even United fans know he couldn't have pulled off Istanbul but they can't bring themselves to state some facts outright and they are left with "ifs" and "buts".
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"I'm sure even United fans know he couldn't have pulled off Istanbul but..."

This seems like a pretty big helping of 'if' with a side of 'buts'
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Did I mention how thick sniffers are?
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Don't know, I couldn't tell what you were saying as you were chomping so loudly

comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cushion half volleys (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Scholes would have folded up and quit at half. Proper bottler.
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Yeah, 3-0 down at half time Scholes would be calling his mum and crying into the phone while sucking the tea lady's toes. He wouldn't come out all guns blazing and hyping up the crowd like Gerrard.

comment by Jalisco Red - Losing My Reguilón (U4195)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Jalisco Red - Losing My Reguilón (U4195)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man (U1270)
posted 4 minutes ago
Gerrard would have been handy for cup games, he always seemed to raise his game for those one-offs, fair play to him. We'll never know if he had it in him to help drive his team to relentless title after title like Scholes did, one of the great what-ifs, I guess.
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Would Scholes had driven Liverpool to a CL win? We'll never know!!!
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We already know as Scholes has admitted he couldn't in the video in the OP.

Scholes is a known quitter. I'm sure even United fans know he couldn't have pulled off Istanbul but they can't bring themselves to state some facts outright and they are left with "ifs" and "buts".
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"I'm sure even United fans know he couldn't have pulled off Istanbul but..."

This seems like a pretty big helping of 'if' with a side of 'buts'
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Did I mention how thick sniffers are?
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Don't know, I couldn't tell what you were saying as you were chomping so loudly
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Think you need to see a mental health expert about your condition. This is a written forum. Nurse!

comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cus... (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Scholes would have folded up and quit at half. Proper bottler.
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I particularly like the rewriting of history where they claim Scholes quit England because he was played on the left when he was actually only played on the left three times, much fewer than how many times he played there for United. He quit as there were two better players ahead of him in his position.

A lot of people said that and blamed Sven for me quitting England, but the truth is I played on the wing for Man United too and scored a lot of goals. But it didn’t work out like that for England. I’m not sure why. The truth is I got on great with Sven. I don’t think there’s anyone who didn’t – we all loved playing for him. He put me in that position because he thought Frank and Steven were better suited to playing in the middle than me. It was his choice, and it wasn’t my business to tell him where I should play. He thought they were better than me.

comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I taught Szoboszlai how to cus... (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Scholes would have folded up and quit at half. Proper bottler.
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I particularly like the rewriting of history where they claim Scholes quit England because he was played on the left when he was actually only played on the left three times, much fewer than how many times he played there for United. He quit as there were two better players ahead of him in his position.
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Yep

"I know a lot was made of Sven-Goran Eriksson [Three Lions head coach ]playing me on the left-hand side of midfield but that was never the problem. My form in the last 20 or 30 caps wasn't quite good enough and Steven [Gerrard] and Frank [Lampard] were two top-class players who he went with centrally..."

comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 16 minutes ago
Gerrard was not only the best midfielder but also the best no 10, best Right back etc as he outclassed the best players in those positions like Gar Neville when he was merely covering.

I mean, Gerrard is a better Right Back than Gary Neville, only that playing him at right back would have been a waste.
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Yeah, it would have been a waste of Steve Finnan, who was a better RB than Gerrard. Or a waste of Josemi, who was also a better RB than Gerrard. Or a waste of Stephen Wright, who was..... you get the drift.

Isn't it widely accepted that continually playing Gerrard and Lampard was one of Sven's greatest failings and one of the main reasons for the Golden Generation's disappointment? Even leaving Scholes out of it altogether, I wouldn't be citing the Gerrard-Lampard midfield combo as the stamp of someone who really knew what they were doing. And there's no historical revisionism here: everybody was saying that at the time.

I can't believe* that a Liverpool wum article has wound up Liverpool fans so much

*Actually I can believe it

One thing I'll give Scholes credit for is being an honest chap.

Most players are proud twaaats and wouldn't openly admit their inferiority to another player like this.

Having read through most of this thread, I'm pretty sure Toor and Mamba are on the wum.

comment by Jalisco Red - Losing My Reguilón (U4195)
posted 19 seconds ago
I can't believe* that a Liverpool wum article has wound up Liverpool fans so much

*Actually I can believe it
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Massive chomp.

comment by Clockwork Red: With or Wout You (U4892)
posted 43 seconds ago
Isn't it widely accepted that continually playing Gerrard and Lampard was one of Sven's greatest failings and one of the main reasons for the Golden Generation's disappointment? Even leaving Scholes out of it altogether, I wouldn't be citing the Gerrard-Lampard midfield combo as the stamp of someone who really knew what they were doing. And there's no historical revisionism here: everybody was saying that at the time.
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Yeah, honest Paul Scholes can confirm that that's bullsheet.

comment by Gilbert Napthine (U15867)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 16 minutes ago
Gerrard was not only the best midfielder but also the best no 10, best Right back etc as he outclassed the best players in those positions like Gar Neville when he was merely covering.

I mean, Gerrard is a better Right Back than Gary Neville, only that playing him at right back would have been a waste.
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Yeah, it would have been a waste of Steve Finnan, who was a better RB than Gerrard. Or a waste of Josemi, who was also a better RB than Gerrard. Or a waste of Stephen Wright, who was..... you get the drift.
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This doesn't even make sense.

comment by Gilbert Napthine (U15867)
posted 2 minutes ago
Having read through most of this thread, I'm pretty sure Toor and Mamba are on the wum.
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He’s that angry he’s claiming WUM. Wow

Gerrard's legend is based really on that one match in Istanbul.

If you examine it closely though you'll see:

Italian clubs in the period were allegedly throwing games. What happened in that CL Final was Milan tried to keep it tight but even dropping down a few levels they still found themselves 3-0 up! This was a disaster for them. The money was all on the draw.

Therefore, in the second half they had to do something drastic so what they did was, to avoid too much suspicion, tell their keeper to have a mare for a few minutes. A Gerrard header (where Dida completely 'lost' his bearings and a mistake in letting in Smicer's shot later and it was prime time for a bit of famous Stevie G diving. Such the talismatic figure we was he let his (much better) fellow midfielder Alonso take the penalty. It was a poor penalty but Dida conveniently pushed it back into Alonso's path. The game was level! Now, surely, the momentum was all with Gerrard's side and they'd ride that to win the watch. Oh but they didn't. The game then settled down again and Milan, having learnt their lesson, were able to comfortably keep it level for the draw with no further drama.

It was then Dudek that won it for them with Gerrard playing no part in the shootout.

comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: With or Wout You (U4892)
posted 43 seconds ago
Isn't it widely accepted that continually playing Gerrard and Lampard was one of Sven's greatest failings and one of the main reasons for the Golden Generation's disappointment? Even leaving Scholes out of it altogether, I wouldn't be citing the Gerrard-Lampard midfield combo as the stamp of someone who really knew what they were doing. And there's no historical revisionism here: everybody was saying that at the time.
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Yeah, honest Paul Scholes can confirm that that's bullsheet.
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Gerrard and Lampard not being a workable pair doesn't really have anything to do with the Scholes debate. Everyone was saying it at the time.

about 15 years ago this debate was so tiresome people on 606 used to just use the games as code.

chicken or beef for your dinner for example. you'd make up reason why Gerrard was tastier and more versatile than a bland water pumped Scholes.

simpler times.

Hungerpool fans spending their Friday frantically rifling through their copies of Scholes' autobiography for any quotes that paint Gerrard in a good light

It's quite ironic really that Scholes is a United legend when he'd be more suited to being a Liverpool legend with his asthma and all that.

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