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Israel waaay out of line here

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posted on 10/10/23

comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)

Noted that you ignored points 1 and 4 mate. My query about the terms of offer were genuine.
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There's nothing to answer as I've done so already. The maps (and other details) of the supposedly "grand" offer to Arafat show the reality, and you could have sought them out at any time. They have been detailed and critiqued many times. It's also a common misconception that no counter offers were made. The fact you don't seem to know this is particularly interesting given you accuse me of being 'one sided'.

Clinton revised the "parameters" of the offer later, recognising that sectioning off the West Bank into separated and unviable cantons was unacceptable. Then there was a broad framework of agreement (Taba), then Israel called it off.

Apologists for Israel love to point out the generous sounding, PR soundbites ("all of Gaza", "90+% of the West Bank)... without actually looking at a map and understanding what the implications were.

It's also recognised that the "Palestinian narrative of the 2000-01 peace talks is significantly more accurate than the Israeli narrative”: analysis by Harvard/MIT Journal on International Security: https://scholar.harvard.edu/hckelman/files/Vicissitudes.pdf (page 22)
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Thank you.

posted on 10/10/23

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)

Noted that you ignored points 1 and 4 mate. My query about the terms of offer were genuine.
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There's nothing to answer as I've done so already. The maps (and other details) of the supposedly "grand" offer to Arafat show the reality, and you could have sought them out at any time. They have been detailed and critiqued many times. It's also a common misconception that no counter offers were made. The fact you don't seem to know this is particularly interesting given you accuse me of being 'one sided'.

Clinton revised the "parameters" of the offer later, recognising that sectioning off the West Bank into separated and unviable cantons was unacceptable. Then there was a broad framework of agreement (Taba), then Israel called it off.

Apologists for Israel love to point out the generous sounding, PR soundbites ("all of Gaza", "90+% of the West Bank)... without actually looking at a map and understanding what the implications were.

It's also recognised that the "Palestinian narrative of the 2000-01 peace talks is significantly more accurate than the Israeli narrative”: analysis by Harvard/MIT Journal on International Security: https://scholar.harvard.edu/hckelman/files/Vicissitudes.pdf (page 22)
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Thank you.
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There isn’t a page 22 and good lord I don’t miss scanners 🤣

posted on 10/10/23

comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
What date did Israel attempt to assassinate him? Were there any acts of violence preceding that? (This is rhetorical you don’t have to answer unless you really want to)
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I want to answer. We should go back all the way in this teet for tat and see who threw the first punch.
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Well exactly, it’s pointless.
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No it's not. Whoever threw the first punch to withdraw that punch and there will be a chance at peace.
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Ok so you figure out who threw the first punch then.

posted on 10/10/23

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)

Noted that you ignored points 1 and 4 mate. My query about the terms of offer were genuine.
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There's nothing to answer as I've done so already. The maps (and other details) of the supposedly "grand" offer to Arafat show the reality, and you could have sought them out at any time. They have been detailed and critiqued many times. It's also a common misconception that no counter offers were made. The fact you don't seem to know this is particularly interesting given you accuse me of being 'one sided'.

Clinton revised the "parameters" of the offer later, recognising that sectioning off the West Bank into separated and unviable cantons was unacceptable. Then there was a broad framework of agreement (Taba), then Israel called it off.

Apologists for Israel love to point out the generous sounding, PR soundbites ("all of Gaza", "90+% of the West Bank)... without actually looking at a map and understanding what the implications were.

It's also recognised that the "Palestinian narrative of the 2000-01 peace talks is significantly more accurate than the Israeli narrative”: analysis by Harvard/MIT Journal on International Security: https://scholar.harvard.edu/hckelman/files/Vicissitudes.pdf (page 22)
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Thank you.
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There isn’t a page 22 and good lord I don’t miss scanners 🤣
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Sorry, page 10!

posted on 10/10/23

comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)

Noted that you ignored points 1 and 4 mate. My query about the terms of offer were genuine.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

There's nothing to answer as I've done so already. The maps (and other details) of the supposedly "grand" offer to Arafat show the reality, and you could have sought them out at any time. They have been detailed and critiqued many times. It's also a common misconception that no counter offers were made. The fact you don't seem to know this is particularly interesting given you accuse me of being 'one sided'.

Clinton revised the "parameters" of the offer later, recognising that sectioning off the West Bank into separated and unviable cantons was unacceptable. Then there was a broad framework of agreement (Taba), then Israel called it off.

Apologists for Israel love to point out the generous sounding, PR soundbites ("all of Gaza", "90+% of the West Bank)... without actually looking at a map and understanding what the implications were.

It's also recognised that the "Palestinian narrative of the 2000-01 peace talks is significantly more accurate than the Israeli narrative”: analysis by Harvard/MIT Journal on International Security: https://scholar.harvard.edu/hckelman/files/Vicissitudes.pdf (page 22)
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Thank you.
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There isn’t a page 22 and good lord I don’t miss scanners 🤣
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Sorry, page 10!
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Thanks. Now to try and read the thing 😭

posted on 10/10/23

So the big difference was reference points, which isn’t a surprise when I think about it.

posted on 10/10/23

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
What date did Israel attempt to assassinate him? Were there any acts of violence preceding that? (This is rhetorical you don’t have to answer unless you really want to)
=====
I want to answer. We should go back all the way in this teet for tat and see who threw the first punch.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well exactly, it’s pointless.
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No it's not. Whoever threw the first punch to withdraw that punch and there will be a chance at peace.
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Ok so you figure out who threw the first punch then.
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Already did. It was Israel and her allies. In fact, not just Palestine but those allies have thrown a whole lot of unprovoked punches all across the middle east and beyond to promote their own selfish interests and at the cost of global immeasurable human suffering and countless deaths.

posted on 10/10/23

Already did. It was Israel and her allies
++++++

If Israel was a human it would be a man.

posted on 10/10/23

comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
Already did. It was Israel and her allies
++++++

If Israel was a human it would be a man.
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It would be a paranoid gun totting Republican survivalist type

posted on 10/10/23

comment by >💲Baz tard (U19119)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
Already did. It was Israel and her allies
++++++

If Israel was a human it would be a man.
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It would be a paranoid gun totting Republican survivalist type
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Probably wearing a MIGA cap.

For a comparrison, an example of a country that is a woman I would nominate Ireland.

posted on 10/10/23

comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by >💲Baz tard (U19119)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
Already did. It was Israel and her allies
++++++

If Israel was a human it would be a man.
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It would be a paranoid gun totting Republican survivalist type
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Probably wearing a MIGA cap.

For a comparrison, an example of a country that is a woman I would nominate Ireland.
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Mrs Brown?

comment by mancini (U7179)

posted on 10/10/23

Admins left the thread critical of Israel but chose to delete any thread presenting an alternative view.
Welcome to the future.

posted on 10/10/23

comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 6 minutes ago
Admins left the thread critical of Israel but chose to delete any thread presenting an alternative view.
Welcome to the future.
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You mean the one where you posted debunked nonsense in the OP? What a great shame that didn't last.

posted on 10/10/23

comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 6 minutes ago
Admins left the thread critical of Israel but chose to delete any thread presenting an alternative view.
Welcome to the future.
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That's not what happened. You're just butthurt over your article being the one that got pulled and now lashing out at admin.

comment by mancini (U7179)

posted on 10/10/23

comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 6 minutes ago
Admins left the thread critical of Israel but chose to delete any thread presenting an alternative view.
Welcome to the future.
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You mean the one where you posted debunked nonsense in the OP? What a great shame that didn't last.
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My op wasn’t offensive. It simply stated a series of historical events that can be fact checked on Google.
But somehow, it gets pulled because someone doesn’t like it.
I didn’t see anything that was debunked. Instead, some posters went after the thread itself.
Well, the same events is now trending on X.
People are becoming aware of historical facts.

posted on 10/10/23

comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 6 minutes ago
Admins left the thread critical of Israel but chose to delete any thread presenting an alternative view.
Welcome to the future.
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You mean the one where you posted debunked nonsense in the OP? What a great shame that didn't last.
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My op wasn’t offensive. It simply stated a series of historical events that can be fact checked on Google.
But somehow, it gets pulled because someone doesn’t like it.
I didn’t see anything that was debunked. Instead, some posters went after the thread itself.
Well, the same events is now trending on X.
People are becoming aware of historical facts.
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The 4th point you made has been equally addressed in this thread just several posts up, so that's a starter.

For the record, I'm not in favour of pulling threads and didn't see whatever it was that got it pulled.

posted on 11/10/23

comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
comment by steross17 (U6898)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Thisishardcore (U9121)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
Israel is a shining example of Great Britain’s contribution to the world at large
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Would have said USA or Australia myself.
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Yeah we sorted everybody's shat out
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Two shining examples of continental-scale genocides. Well done.

posted on 11/10/23

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
comment by steross17 (U6898)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Thisishardcore (U9121)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
Israel is a shining example of Great Britain’s contribution to the world at large
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Would have said USA or Australia myself.
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Yeah we sorted everybody's shat out
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Two shining examples of continental-scale genocides. Well done.
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Don't you bat for Spain?

By far the biggest slaughter of a people in the history of the planet.

posted on 11/10/23

Forgot about genghis, you can have second place

posted on 11/10/23

comment by Cinciwolf----Old Trafford record attendance.....WOLVES V GRIMSBY. .......lolz (U11551)
posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
comment by steross17 (U6898)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Thisishardcore (U9121)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
Israel is a shining example of Great Britain’s contribution to the world at large
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would have said USA or Australia myself.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah we sorted everybody's shat out
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Two shining examples of continental-scale genocides. Well done.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Don't you bat for Spain?

By far the biggest slaughter of a people in the history of the planet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spain vs England for the title of greatest continental scale genocide caaants.

Who will win?

Join us this Wednesday as the two genocide giants go head to head.

Make a date and don't be late. All this and more only on JA606.

posted on 11/10/23

Article got pulled but not because of OPs content. The article was up all day yesterday so if the OP was bad it would have gone a lot sooner. It was taken down because some comments stepped over the line.

Mancini stop playing the victim my goodness! It had nothing to do with you and now alluding to some sort of agenda? Oh my days!

posted on 11/10/23

comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----Old Trafford record attendance.....WOLVES V GRIMSBY. .......lolz (U11551)
posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
comment by steross17 (U6898)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Thisishardcore (U9121)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
Israel is a shining example of Great Britain’s contribution to the world at large
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would have said USA or Australia myself.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah we sorted everybody's shat out
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Two shining examples of continental-scale genocides. Well done.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Don't you bat for Spain?

By far the biggest slaughter of a people in the history of the planet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spain vs England for the title of greatest continental scale genocide caaants.

Who will win?

Join us this Wednesday as the two genocide giants go head to head.

Make a date and don't be late. All this and more only on JA606.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Russians and Mongols would surely reach the Semis at least.

posted on 11/10/23

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 16 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----Old Trafford record attendance.....WOLVES V GRIMSBY. .......lolz (U11551)
posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
comment by steross17 (U6898)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Thisishardcore (U9121)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
Israel is a shining example of Great Britain’s contribution to the world at large
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would have said USA or Australia myself.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah we sorted everybody's shat out
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Two shining examples of continental-scale genocides. Well done.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Don't you bat for Spain?

By far the biggest slaughter of a people in the history of the planet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spain vs England for the title of greatest continental scale genocide caaants.

Who will win?

Join us this Wednesday as the two genocide giants go head to head.

Make a date and don't be late. All this and more only on JA606.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Russians and Mongols would surely reach the Semis at least.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Let's just say there's more than 48 teams at this world cup

posted on 11/10/23

comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 day, 1 hour ago
If someone came to the UK and did to us what Israel is doing to Palestinians, we would incessantly bomb and murder their asses to kingdom come, we would turn into "terrorists" and would laugh at anyone who tried to tell us we were wrong.

As Churchill said, this island will never surrender. We fight on the hills and beaches.

But the Palestinians aren't us, so all these things they do is terrorism. Makes sense.
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We have millions of people here in the UK that have very different cultures and beliefs to the majority, with the defence for such an influx usually being Britians Imperial past, which spanned around 200 years.

The Israelis have are far stronger / historic claim to Israel than that, and yet those who use Britain's imperial past as a reason for such immigration to Britain, are the ones who also refute the Jews claims to modern day Israel.

Hypocritical.

posted on 11/10/23

comment by Rwanda forever (U22987)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 day, 1 hour ago
If someone came to the UK and did to us what Israel is doing to Palestinians, we would incessantly bomb and murder their asses to kingdom come, we would turn into "terrorists" and would laugh at anyone who tried to tell us we were wrong.

As Churchill said, this island will never surrender. We fight on the hills and beaches.

But the Palestinians aren't us, so all these things they do is terrorism. Makes sense.
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We have millions of people here in the UK that have very different cultures and beliefs to the majority, with the defence for such an influx usually being Britians Imperial past, which spanned around 200 years.

The Israelis have are far stronger / historic claim to Israel than that, and yet those who use Britain's imperial past as a reason for such immigration to Britain, are the ones who also refute the Jews claims to modern day Israel.

Hypocritical.
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This doesn't sound like it was meant for me.

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