I don't think you're racist for not wanting illegal immigration, but the funny thing is if Trump ever did manage to remove all these undocumented migrants then you're probably talking a big chunk of businesses and farms collapsing.
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 13 seconds ago
I don't think you're racist for not wanting illegal immigration, but the funny thing is if Trump ever did manage to remove all these undocumented migrants then you're probably talking a big chunk of businesses and farms collapsing.
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Every cloud….
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 3 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
Haven’t read all of the comments here but one thing that really annoys is people that are anti-illegal immigration being branded far right or racist.
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They are.
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Please elaborate as to why.
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You know why.
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I don’t. That’s why I asked. Enlighten me.
People are anti immigration because they hate “others” it’s nothing more complex than that.
Just a friendly reminder, amongst Arab Americans, Kamala Harris polled worse than a man who has been racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, a convicted felon and a proven liar.
But it’s all the rednecks fault or are we saying that Arab Americans are garbage and naaazis now as well?
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 minutes ago
People are anti immigration because they hate “others” it’s nothing more complex than that.
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I’d agree if you said anti legal immigration.
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posted 12 minutes ago
People are anti immigration because they hate “others” it’s nothing more complex than that.
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There’s literally no debating with him and no point in entertaining him at all. It’s an absolute waste of your day
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 6 minutes ago
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She’s black and she’s a woman.
That’s the ONLY thing she did “wrong”
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The left is doomed to repeat if they think this.
Arab American women would not vote for her because she was vague as faaaack on Gaza and they saw her and Biden allow it to happen under their watch.
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I don't classify this as left
Identity politics has been used by the right also. I don't think these people care about things like racism, they just weaponise it to cause division.
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posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
But their absolute biggest mistake, was alienating their traditional voter base - they lost blue collar America and by labelling all those people as racist and fascist they will continue to do so. They need to wise up, be a little more cunning, a little more ruthless and learn the fundamental errors of this epic faaaack up
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The same phenomenon is happening in pretty much every mature democracy, and different sets of tactics seem to have no real impact on the growing support for right-wing populism. Even when mainstream parties massively pander to those populist policies in an attempt to outflank them. It's a much more complex and structural phenomenon than abandoning the working class or talking down to it. Democrat policies are much more orientated toward improving the material conditions, financial security, etc. of the working class than Trump's. And if you look at the breakdown of support by income, Democrats are still doing much better with voters earning less than $50k than they are with voters earning $50-100k.
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But they don’t feel like they are - as per the polls. Perspective will win every single time.
You can’t run a campaign on faaacking “Joy” when the majority of the populace is not sensing joy
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And if she ran on dark, apocalyptic notes like Trump, she would fail to out-MAGA Trump with the Republican base, while massively alienating key parts of the Democratic coalition, which include tens of millions of college-educated, liberal voters and working class black voters who want to feel someone represents their interests against racism. If there was a simple answer to this conundrum, someone would have run with it and galvanized the support of all those disparate groups with different economic interests and cultural priorities.
The fact is, the international phenomenon of high inflation has resulted in nearly every incumbent government facing a general election over the last year or two losing power (where elections are genuinely free and competitive). In many cases with historically heavy defeats. Kamala Harris's defeat represents a much smaller margin of loss and much smaller drop in support relative to that international trend.
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She could have won if she had run on the policies she did whilst also addressing the Democrats short comings during the previous term. Specifically what was she going to do about Israel - she polled terribly with Arab Americans. What was she going to do about aid to Ukraine?
As terrible as it sounds - those two points along with the economy and immigration far out weighed the abortion laws in the minds of Americans. But she and the Dems should have known that, the country was built originally on fundamental Christianity - basically a load of people thinking they shouldn’t be pregnant outside of marriage.
But the Dems didn’t want to engage in the topics that the majority of Americans wanted to engage on and so Trump with at times mindless rhetoric won that portion of the vote because he had engaged.
So many errors from the Dems this time round - they have to stop pointing at what they see as the opposition and blaming them and instead think how do we win in 2028, how can we be better
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Yeah, I mean what’s a bit of rape/incest/abuse/ unwanted childhood pregnancies to Middle America after all.
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It happens, but not to the vast majority of Americans.
I’m not saying that this shouldn’t have been a main consideration point of this election - I’m saying quite simply, it wasn’t and the reason is because of their fundamental Christian foundations. Again the left failed to understand this
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There’s actually no group of people I despise more than evangelical Christians.
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That's an odd choice.
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comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 6 minutes ago
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She’s black and she’s a woman.
That’s the ONLY thing she did “wrong”
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The left is doomed to repeat if they think this.
Arab American women would not vote for her because she was vague as faaaack on Gaza and they saw her and Biden allow it to happen under their watch.
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I don't classify this as left
Identity politics has been used by the right also. I don't think these people care about things like racism, they just weaponise it to cause division.
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Doesn’t matter if it’s Left, Right or straight down the middle. Trump garnered more of that vote than she did and it cannot be explained away by racism or fascism.
The obvious answer is because the Israel Palestine conflict happened on the Democrats watch and they armed Israel further. Then Harris ducked that awkward question throughout her campaign.
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posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
But their absolute biggest mistake, was alienating their traditional voter base - they lost blue collar America and by labelling all those people as racist and fascist they will continue to do so. They need to wise up, be a little more cunning, a little more ruthless and learn the fundamental errors of this epic faaaack up
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The same phenomenon is happening in pretty much every mature democracy, and different sets of tactics seem to have no real impact on the growing support for right-wing populism. Even when mainstream parties massively pander to those populist policies in an attempt to outflank them. It's a much more complex and structural phenomenon than abandoning the working class or talking down to it. Democrat policies are much more orientated toward improving the material conditions, financial security, etc. of the working class than Trump's. And if you look at the breakdown of support by income, Democrats are still doing much better with voters earning less than $50k than they are with voters earning $50-100k.
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But they don’t feel like they are - as per the polls. Perspective will win every single time.
You can’t run a campaign on faaacking “Joy” when the majority of the populace is not sensing joy
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And if she ran on dark, apocalyptic notes like Trump, she would fail to out-MAGA Trump with the Republican base, while massively alienating key parts of the Democratic coalition, which include tens of millions of college-educated, liberal voters and working class black voters who want to feel someone represents their interests against racism. If there was a simple answer to this conundrum, someone would have run with it and galvanized the support of all those disparate groups with different economic interests and cultural priorities.
The fact is, the international phenomenon of high inflation has resulted in nearly every incumbent government facing a general election over the last year or two losing power (where elections are genuinely free and competitive). In many cases with historically heavy defeats. Kamala Harris's defeat represents a much smaller margin of loss and much smaller drop in support relative to that international trend.
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She could have won if she had run on the policies she did whilst also addressing the Democrats short comings during the previous term. Specifically what was she going to do about Israel - she polled terribly with Arab Americans. What was she going to do about aid to Ukraine?
As terrible as it sounds - those two points along with the economy and immigration far out weighed the abortion laws in the minds of Americans. But she and the Dems should have known that, the country was built originally on fundamental Christianity - basically a load of people thinking they shouldn’t be pregnant outside of marriage.
But the Dems didn’t want to engage in the topics that the majority of Americans wanted to engage on and so Trump with at times mindless rhetoric won that portion of the vote because he had engaged.
So many errors from the Dems this time round - they have to stop pointing at what they see as the opposition and blaming them and instead think how do we win in 2028, how can we be better
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Yeah, I mean what’s a bit of rape/incest/abuse/ unwanted childhood pregnancies to Middle America after all.
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It happens, but not to the vast majority of Americans.
I’m not saying that this shouldn’t have been a main consideration point of this election - I’m saying quite simply, it wasn’t and the reason is because of their fundamental Christian foundations. Again the left failed to understand this
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There’s actually no group of people I despise more than evangelical Christians.
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That's an odd choice.
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Not if you know anything about them.
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I don't classify this as left
Identity politics has been used by the right also. I don't think these people care about things like racism, they just weaponise it to cause division.
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Doesn’t matter if it’s Left, Right or straight down the middle. Trump garnered more of that vote than she did and it cannot be explained away by racism or fascism.
The obvious answer is because the Israel Palestine conflict happened on the Democrats watch and they armed Israel further. Then Harris ducked that awkward question throughout her campaign.
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Agreed, I just think those of us on the left should disassociate with these people.
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by Trump 2024, Make America Great Again(U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
This country knows the sacrifice of war, parents aren’t sending their kids off to fight one when we all we need to prevent it is Trident
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Show me one country that doesn't know the sacrifice of war, or the sacrifice fighting for freedom. Majority have fought Britain itself to get their freedom and independence and they don't have nuclear weapons just because they know a sacrifice.
I think it's simplistic to think trident is the reason we don't send our sins to war. Mainly because it's not true. We send them to war more than almost anyone else outside of the USA. Having trident is a deterrent, but it hasn't saved is from sending our son's to war.
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It’s stopped conscript, we’re sending professional soldiers off to wars where our weaponry is light years ahead of the opposition and there chances of survival are very good.
Ukraine have been kidnapping men off the street to fight and ultimately die
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That wasn't the point you were making though.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 minutes ago
People are anti immigration because they hate “others” it’s nothing more complex than that.
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I’d agree if you said anti legal immigration.
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There’s no difference.
I really don’t care to listen to or understand people’s “concerns about immigration” it’s all bull$hit.
Just stay away from me and mine and live your miserable hateful lives.
comment by Trump 2024, Make America Great Again (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by Trump 2024, Make America Great Again(U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
This country knows the sacrifice of war, parents aren’t sending their kids off to fight one when we all we need to prevent it is Trident
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Show me one country that doesn't know the sacrifice of war, or the sacrifice fighting for freedom. Majority have fought Britain itself to get their freedom and independence and they don't have nuclear weapons just because they know a sacrifice.
I think it's simplistic to think trident is the reason we don't send our sins to war. Mainly because it's not true. We send them to war more than almost anyone else outside of the USA. Having trident is a deterrent, but it hasn't saved is from sending our son's to war.
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It’s stopped conscript, we’re sending professional soldiers off to wars where our weaponry is light years ahead of the opposition and there chances of survival are very good.
Ukraine have been kidnapping men off the street to fight and ultimately die
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That wasn't the point you were making though.
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Off course it was - we don’t want to send our sons off to fight wars. Professional soldiers on the other hand, those that have put themselves in a position where that is a possibility have to accept the fact. The difference of course is they made that choice, unlike the guys getting kidnapped in Ukraine.
The other big difference being we’re going into wars on our terms, where we are vastly stronger than our opponents.
We won’t ever be drawn into a conflict we do not want to be in whilst we have a nuclear deterrent - countries without that deterrent or the aid of a country with a nuclear deterrent cannot and will never be able to say the same thing.
The simple way of looking at this is pre 1952 this island was invaded many times and many further attempts were made. Post 1952, when Britain had nuclear capability, no one has so much as tried it
"we’re sending professional soldiers off to wars"
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Are these not our sons? Again, we are involved in all the wars, lose more soldiers than most and run military bases across the world at a great cost. Trident hasn't stopped any of these.
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Trump 2024, Make America Great Again(U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by Trump 2024, Make America Great Again(U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
This country knows the sacrifice of war, parents aren’t sending their kids off to fight one when we all we need to prevent it is Trident
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Show me one country that doesn't know the sacrifice of war, or the sacrifice fighting for freedom. Majority have fought Britain itself to get their freedom and independence and they don't have nuclear weapons just because they know a sacrifice.
I think it's simplistic to think trident is the reason we don't send our sins to war. Mainly because it's not true. We send them to war more than almost anyone else outside of the USA. Having trident is a deterrent, but it hasn't saved is from sending our son's to war.
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It’s stopped conscript, we’re sending professional soldiers off to wars where our weaponry is light years ahead of the opposition and there chances of survival are very good.
Ukraine have been kidnapping men off the street to fight and ultimately die
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That wasn't the point you were making though.
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Off course it was - we don’t want to send our sons off to fight wars. Professional soldiers on the other hand, those that have put themselves in a position where that is a possibility have to accept the fact. The difference of course is they made that choice, unlike the guys getting kidnapped in Ukraine.
The other big difference being we’re going into wars on our terms, where we are vastly stronger than our opponents.
We won’t ever be drawn into a conflict we do not want to be in whilst we have a nuclear deterrent - countries without that deterrent or the aid of a country with a nuclear deterrent cannot and will never be able to say the same thing.
The simple way of looking at this is pre 1952 this island was invaded many times and many further attempts were made. Post 1952, when Britain had nuclear capability, no one has so much as tried it
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Well there it is, the stupidest thing I’ll read today.
I’m done with you people, I can’t even be ar$ed with the match thread.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 minutes ago
People are anti immigration because they hate “others” it’s nothing more complex than that.
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This much is true. You don't see them crying about immigrants from Sweden or Denmark. During the Farage riots, or any other riots across Europe did you ever see a white immigrant running for their life? Did you see a white immigrant getting attacked in the street? Did you see a white immigrant attacked at their dwelling? Did you see any white immigrant attacked for having a foreign accent?
No, white immigrants went on about their business as usual without any fear, even those that can't speak a word of English.
Don't forget recent immigration numbers are heavily skewed by the number of Ukrainians we've opened all our doors to and welcomed so openly to join society, because we feel sorry for them and it's the right thing to do.
But if the immigrant comes from the Sudan war, there is no avenue to the UK. If they make it here illegally, they have to go through an asylum process because we don't want to let them in like the Ukrainians.
But even the asylum process is also a problem because we are "spending too much money looking after immigrants instead of our own".
I know some people mean well, but trying to argue that racism isn't behind the anti-immigration sentiment in the west is a disservice to anti-racism.
comment by Trump 2024, Make America Great Again (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
Don't forget recent immigration numbers are heavily skewed by the number of Ukrainians we've opened all our doors to and welcomed so openly to join society, because we feel sorry for them and it's the right thing to do.
But if the immigrant comes from the Sudan war, there is no avenue to the UK. If they make it here illegally, they have to go through an asylum process because we don't want to let them in like the Ukrainians.
But even the asylum process is also a problem because we are "spending too much money looking after immigrants instead of our own".
I know some people mean well, but trying to argue that racism isn't behind the anti-immigration sentiment in the west is a disservice to anti-racism.
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Interesting points. It’s funny the foreign minister of Poland spoke about this.
Do you think there’s a difference in perception because Ukrainian immigration is likely temporary rather than permanent?
comment by Trump 2024, Make America Great Again (U1282)
posted 13 minutes ago
"we’re sending professional soldiers off to wars"
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Are these not our sons? Again, we are involved in all the wars, lose more soldiers than most and run military bases across the world at a great cost. Trident hasn't stopped any of these.
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These are sons that made a choice - we’re not kidnapping people off the street, we’re not conscripting and we’re not in a position where we feel we have to do it. You can keep picking at this but it seems churlish as I’ve made my point clearly.
We are involved in the wars we want to be, where we are vastly stronger. We absolutely do not lose more soldiers than most - see Russia/Ukraine.
There is a cost to everything, the NHS runs at a great cost but is a huge benefit to our people - so is trident, even if you do not understand what that benefit is. I don’t sit here though and say scrap the NHS as I’ve not had to use it for the last 5 years.
Let’s get rid of the TV licence - what am I getting from that?
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Trump 2024, Make America Great Again(U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by Trump 2024, Make America Great Again(U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
This country knows the sacrifice of war, parents aren’t sending their kids off to fight one when we all we need to prevent it is Trident
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Show me one country that doesn't know the sacrifice of war, or the sacrifice fighting for freedom. Majority have fought Britain itself to get their freedom and independence and they don't have nuclear weapons just because they know a sacrifice.
I think it's simplistic to think trident is the reason we don't send our sins to war. Mainly because it's not true. We send them to war more than almost anyone else outside of the USA. Having trident is a deterrent, but it hasn't saved is from sending our son's to war.
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It’s stopped conscript, we’re sending professional soldiers off to wars where our weaponry is light years ahead of the opposition and there chances of survival are very good.
Ukraine have been kidnapping men off the street to fight and ultimately die
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That wasn't the point you were making though.
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Off course it was - we don’t want to send our sons off to fight wars. Professional soldiers on the other hand, those that have put themselves in a position where that is a possibility have to accept the fact. The difference of course is they made that choice, unlike the guys getting kidnapped in Ukraine.
The other big difference being we’re going into wars on our terms, where we are vastly stronger than our opponents.
We won’t ever be drawn into a conflict we do not want to be in whilst we have a nuclear deterrent - countries without that deterrent or the aid of a country with a nuclear deterrent cannot and will never be able to say the same thing.
The simple way of looking at this is pre 1952 this island was invaded many times and many further attempts were made. Post 1952, when Britain had nuclear capability, no one has so much as tried it
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Well there it is, the stupidest thing I’ll read today.
I’m done with you people, I can’t even be ar$ed with the match thread.
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You wanna read back through some of your own stuff mate - my comments not even top 10
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
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posted 16 minutes ago
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posted 5 minutes ago
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by Trump 2024, Make America Great Again(U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
This country knows the sacrifice of war, parents aren’t sending their kids off to fight one when we all we need to prevent it is Trident
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Show me one country that doesn't know the sacrifice of war, or the sacrifice fighting for freedom. Majority have fought Britain itself to get their freedom and independence and they don't have nuclear weapons just because they know a sacrifice.
I think it's simplistic to think trident is the reason we don't send our sins to war. Mainly because it's not true. We send them to war more than almost anyone else outside of the USA. Having trident is a deterrent, but it hasn't saved is from sending our son's to war.
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It’s stopped conscript, we’re sending professional soldiers off to wars where our weaponry is light years ahead of the opposition and there chances of survival are very good.
Ukraine have been kidnapping men off the street to fight and ultimately die
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That wasn't the point you were making though.
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Off course it was - we don’t want to send our sons off to fight wars. Professional soldiers on the other hand, those that have put themselves in a position where that is a possibility have to accept the fact. The difference of course is they made that choice, unlike the guys getting kidnapped in Ukraine.
The other big difference being we’re going into wars on our terms, where we are vastly stronger than our opponents.
We won’t ever be drawn into a conflict we do not want to be in whilst we have a nuclear deterrent - countries without that deterrent or the aid of a country with a nuclear deterrent cannot and will never be able to say the same thing.
The simple way of looking at this is pre 1952 this island was invaded many times and many further attempts were made. Post 1952, when Britain had nuclear capability, no one has so much as tried it
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Well there it is, the stupidest thing I’ll read today.
I’m done with you people, I can’t even be ar$ed with the match thread.
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You wanna read back through some of your own stuff mate - my comments not even top 10
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I said what I said.
Cope
comment by Fred: Blame Gwen Stefani (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Trump 2024, Make America Great Again(U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
Don't forget recent immigration numbers are heavily skewed by the number of Ukrainians we've opened all our doors to and welcomed so openly to join society, because we feel sorry for them and it's the right thing to do.
But if the immigrant comes from the Sudan war, there is no avenue to the UK. If they make it here illegally, they have to go through an asylum process because we don't want to let them in like the Ukrainians.
But even the asylum process is also a problem because we are "spending too much money looking after immigrants instead of our own".
I know some people mean well, but trying to argue that racism isn't behind the anti-immigration sentiment in the west is a disservice to anti-racism.
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Interesting points. It’s funny the foreign minister of Poland spoke about this.
Do you think there’s a difference in perception because Ukrainian immigration is likely temporary rather than permanent?
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I don't think most people bothered with immigration even care. What do you mean by temporary anyway? There's no guarantee it will be temporary because after a certain period of time they will be naturalised. Their avenue to UK citizenship is almost guaranteed for those who want it.
We had campaigns here for people to open their homes to Ukrainian refugees. The country patting it's own back for rescuing them but I want imagine a similar campaign for the Sudanese or Palestinians.
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posted on 7/11/24
I don't think you're racist for not wanting illegal immigration, but the funny thing is if Trump ever did manage to remove all these undocumented migrants then you're probably talking a big chunk of businesses and farms collapsing.
posted on 7/11/24
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 13 seconds ago
I don't think you're racist for not wanting illegal immigration, but the funny thing is if Trump ever did manage to remove all these undocumented migrants then you're probably talking a big chunk of businesses and farms collapsing.
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Every cloud….
posted on 7/11/24
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
Haven’t read all of the comments here but one thing that really annoys is people that are anti-illegal immigration being branded far right or racist.
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They are.
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Please elaborate as to why.
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You know why.
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I don’t. That’s why I asked. Enlighten me.
posted on 7/11/24
People are anti immigration because they hate “others” it’s nothing more complex than that.
posted on 7/11/24
Just a friendly reminder, amongst Arab Americans, Kamala Harris polled worse than a man who has been racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, a convicted felon and a proven liar.
posted on 7/11/24
But it’s all the rednecks fault or are we saying that Arab Americans are garbage and naaazis now as well?
posted on 7/11/24
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 minutes ago
People are anti immigration because they hate “others” it’s nothing more complex than that.
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I’d agree if you said anti legal immigration.
posted on 7/11/24
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 12 minutes ago
People are anti immigration because they hate “others” it’s nothing more complex than that.
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There’s literally no debating with him and no point in entertaining him at all. It’s an absolute waste of your day
posted on 7/11/24
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 6 minutes ago
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She’s black and she’s a woman.
That’s the ONLY thing she did “wrong”
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The left is doomed to repeat if they think this.
Arab American women would not vote for her because she was vague as faaaack on Gaza and they saw her and Biden allow it to happen under their watch.
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I don't classify this as left
Identity politics has been used by the right also. I don't think these people care about things like racism, they just weaponise it to cause division.
posted on 7/11/24
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 9 minutes ago
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posted 12 minutes ago
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
But their absolute biggest mistake, was alienating their traditional voter base - they lost blue collar America and by labelling all those people as racist and fascist they will continue to do so. They need to wise up, be a little more cunning, a little more ruthless and learn the fundamental errors of this epic faaaack up
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The same phenomenon is happening in pretty much every mature democracy, and different sets of tactics seem to have no real impact on the growing support for right-wing populism. Even when mainstream parties massively pander to those populist policies in an attempt to outflank them. It's a much more complex and structural phenomenon than abandoning the working class or talking down to it. Democrat policies are much more orientated toward improving the material conditions, financial security, etc. of the working class than Trump's. And if you look at the breakdown of support by income, Democrats are still doing much better with voters earning less than $50k than they are with voters earning $50-100k.
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But they don’t feel like they are - as per the polls. Perspective will win every single time.
You can’t run a campaign on faaacking “Joy” when the majority of the populace is not sensing joy
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And if she ran on dark, apocalyptic notes like Trump, she would fail to out-MAGA Trump with the Republican base, while massively alienating key parts of the Democratic coalition, which include tens of millions of college-educated, liberal voters and working class black voters who want to feel someone represents their interests against racism. If there was a simple answer to this conundrum, someone would have run with it and galvanized the support of all those disparate groups with different economic interests and cultural priorities.
The fact is, the international phenomenon of high inflation has resulted in nearly every incumbent government facing a general election over the last year or two losing power (where elections are genuinely free and competitive). In many cases with historically heavy defeats. Kamala Harris's defeat represents a much smaller margin of loss and much smaller drop in support relative to that international trend.
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She could have won if she had run on the policies she did whilst also addressing the Democrats short comings during the previous term. Specifically what was she going to do about Israel - she polled terribly with Arab Americans. What was she going to do about aid to Ukraine?
As terrible as it sounds - those two points along with the economy and immigration far out weighed the abortion laws in the minds of Americans. But she and the Dems should have known that, the country was built originally on fundamental Christianity - basically a load of people thinking they shouldn’t be pregnant outside of marriage.
But the Dems didn’t want to engage in the topics that the majority of Americans wanted to engage on and so Trump with at times mindless rhetoric won that portion of the vote because he had engaged.
So many errors from the Dems this time round - they have to stop pointing at what they see as the opposition and blaming them and instead think how do we win in 2028, how can we be better
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Yeah, I mean what’s a bit of rape/incest/abuse/ unwanted childhood pregnancies to Middle America after all.
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It happens, but not to the vast majority of Americans.
I’m not saying that this shouldn’t have been a main consideration point of this election - I’m saying quite simply, it wasn’t and the reason is because of their fundamental Christian foundations. Again the left failed to understand this
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There’s actually no group of people I despise more than evangelical Christians.
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That's an odd choice.
posted on 7/11/24
comment by ProPokerPlayer (U23205)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 6 minutes ago
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She’s black and she’s a woman.
That’s the ONLY thing she did “wrong”
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The left is doomed to repeat if they think this.
Arab American women would not vote for her because she was vague as faaaack on Gaza and they saw her and Biden allow it to happen under their watch.
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I don't classify this as left
Identity politics has been used by the right also. I don't think these people care about things like racism, they just weaponise it to cause division.
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Doesn’t matter if it’s Left, Right or straight down the middle. Trump garnered more of that vote than she did and it cannot be explained away by racism or fascism.
The obvious answer is because the Israel Palestine conflict happened on the Democrats watch and they armed Israel further. Then Harris ducked that awkward question throughout her campaign.
posted on 7/11/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
But their absolute biggest mistake, was alienating their traditional voter base - they lost blue collar America and by labelling all those people as racist and fascist they will continue to do so. They need to wise up, be a little more cunning, a little more ruthless and learn the fundamental errors of this epic faaaack up
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The same phenomenon is happening in pretty much every mature democracy, and different sets of tactics seem to have no real impact on the growing support for right-wing populism. Even when mainstream parties massively pander to those populist policies in an attempt to outflank them. It's a much more complex and structural phenomenon than abandoning the working class or talking down to it. Democrat policies are much more orientated toward improving the material conditions, financial security, etc. of the working class than Trump's. And if you look at the breakdown of support by income, Democrats are still doing much better with voters earning less than $50k than they are with voters earning $50-100k.
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But they don’t feel like they are - as per the polls. Perspective will win every single time.
You can’t run a campaign on faaacking “Joy” when the majority of the populace is not sensing joy
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And if she ran on dark, apocalyptic notes like Trump, she would fail to out-MAGA Trump with the Republican base, while massively alienating key parts of the Democratic coalition, which include tens of millions of college-educated, liberal voters and working class black voters who want to feel someone represents their interests against racism. If there was a simple answer to this conundrum, someone would have run with it and galvanized the support of all those disparate groups with different economic interests and cultural priorities.
The fact is, the international phenomenon of high inflation has resulted in nearly every incumbent government facing a general election over the last year or two losing power (where elections are genuinely free and competitive). In many cases with historically heavy defeats. Kamala Harris's defeat represents a much smaller margin of loss and much smaller drop in support relative to that international trend.
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She could have won if she had run on the policies she did whilst also addressing the Democrats short comings during the previous term. Specifically what was she going to do about Israel - she polled terribly with Arab Americans. What was she going to do about aid to Ukraine?
As terrible as it sounds - those two points along with the economy and immigration far out weighed the abortion laws in the minds of Americans. But she and the Dems should have known that, the country was built originally on fundamental Christianity - basically a load of people thinking they shouldn’t be pregnant outside of marriage.
But the Dems didn’t want to engage in the topics that the majority of Americans wanted to engage on and so Trump with at times mindless rhetoric won that portion of the vote because he had engaged.
So many errors from the Dems this time round - they have to stop pointing at what they see as the opposition and blaming them and instead think how do we win in 2028, how can we be better
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Yeah, I mean what’s a bit of rape/incest/abuse/ unwanted childhood pregnancies to Middle America after all.
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It happens, but not to the vast majority of Americans.
I’m not saying that this shouldn’t have been a main consideration point of this election - I’m saying quite simply, it wasn’t and the reason is because of their fundamental Christian foundations. Again the left failed to understand this
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There’s actually no group of people I despise more than evangelical Christians.
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That's an odd choice.
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Not if you know anything about them.
posted on 7/11/24
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
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I don't classify this as left
Identity politics has been used by the right also. I don't think these people care about things like racism, they just weaponise it to cause division.
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Doesn’t matter if it’s Left, Right or straight down the middle. Trump garnered more of that vote than she did and it cannot be explained away by racism or fascism.
The obvious answer is because the Israel Palestine conflict happened on the Democrats watch and they armed Israel further. Then Harris ducked that awkward question throughout her campaign.
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Agreed, I just think those of us on the left should disassociate with these people.
posted on 7/11/24
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by Trump 2024, Make America Great Again(U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
This country knows the sacrifice of war, parents aren’t sending their kids off to fight one when we all we need to prevent it is Trident
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Show me one country that doesn't know the sacrifice of war, or the sacrifice fighting for freedom. Majority have fought Britain itself to get their freedom and independence and they don't have nuclear weapons just because they know a sacrifice.
I think it's simplistic to think trident is the reason we don't send our sins to war. Mainly because it's not true. We send them to war more than almost anyone else outside of the USA. Having trident is a deterrent, but it hasn't saved is from sending our son's to war.
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It’s stopped conscript, we’re sending professional soldiers off to wars where our weaponry is light years ahead of the opposition and there chances of survival are very good.
Ukraine have been kidnapping men off the street to fight and ultimately die
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That wasn't the point you were making though.
posted on 7/11/24
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 minutes ago
People are anti immigration because they hate “others” it’s nothing more complex than that.
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I’d agree if you said anti legal immigration.
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There’s no difference.
I really don’t care to listen to or understand people’s “concerns about immigration” it’s all bull$hit.
Just stay away from me and mine and live your miserable hateful lives.
posted on 7/11/24
comment by Trump 2024, Make America Great Again (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by Trump 2024, Make America Great Again(U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
This country knows the sacrifice of war, parents aren’t sending their kids off to fight one when we all we need to prevent it is Trident
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Show me one country that doesn't know the sacrifice of war, or the sacrifice fighting for freedom. Majority have fought Britain itself to get their freedom and independence and they don't have nuclear weapons just because they know a sacrifice.
I think it's simplistic to think trident is the reason we don't send our sins to war. Mainly because it's not true. We send them to war more than almost anyone else outside of the USA. Having trident is a deterrent, but it hasn't saved is from sending our son's to war.
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It’s stopped conscript, we’re sending professional soldiers off to wars where our weaponry is light years ahead of the opposition and there chances of survival are very good.
Ukraine have been kidnapping men off the street to fight and ultimately die
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That wasn't the point you were making though.
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Off course it was - we don’t want to send our sons off to fight wars. Professional soldiers on the other hand, those that have put themselves in a position where that is a possibility have to accept the fact. The difference of course is they made that choice, unlike the guys getting kidnapped in Ukraine.
The other big difference being we’re going into wars on our terms, where we are vastly stronger than our opponents.
We won’t ever be drawn into a conflict we do not want to be in whilst we have a nuclear deterrent - countries without that deterrent or the aid of a country with a nuclear deterrent cannot and will never be able to say the same thing.
The simple way of looking at this is pre 1952 this island was invaded many times and many further attempts were made. Post 1952, when Britain had nuclear capability, no one has so much as tried it
posted on 7/11/24
"we’re sending professional soldiers off to wars"
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Are these not our sons? Again, we are involved in all the wars, lose more soldiers than most and run military bases across the world at a great cost. Trident hasn't stopped any of these.
posted on 7/11/24
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Trump 2024, Make America Great Again(U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by Trump 2024, Make America Great Again(U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
This country knows the sacrifice of war, parents aren’t sending their kids off to fight one when we all we need to prevent it is Trident
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Show me one country that doesn't know the sacrifice of war, or the sacrifice fighting for freedom. Majority have fought Britain itself to get their freedom and independence and they don't have nuclear weapons just because they know a sacrifice.
I think it's simplistic to think trident is the reason we don't send our sins to war. Mainly because it's not true. We send them to war more than almost anyone else outside of the USA. Having trident is a deterrent, but it hasn't saved is from sending our son's to war.
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It’s stopped conscript, we’re sending professional soldiers off to wars where our weaponry is light years ahead of the opposition and there chances of survival are very good.
Ukraine have been kidnapping men off the street to fight and ultimately die
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That wasn't the point you were making though.
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Off course it was - we don’t want to send our sons off to fight wars. Professional soldiers on the other hand, those that have put themselves in a position where that is a possibility have to accept the fact. The difference of course is they made that choice, unlike the guys getting kidnapped in Ukraine.
The other big difference being we’re going into wars on our terms, where we are vastly stronger than our opponents.
We won’t ever be drawn into a conflict we do not want to be in whilst we have a nuclear deterrent - countries without that deterrent or the aid of a country with a nuclear deterrent cannot and will never be able to say the same thing.
The simple way of looking at this is pre 1952 this island was invaded many times and many further attempts were made. Post 1952, when Britain had nuclear capability, no one has so much as tried it
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Well there it is, the stupidest thing I’ll read today.
I’m done with you people, I can’t even be ar$ed with the match thread.
posted on 7/11/24
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 8 minutes ago
People are anti immigration because they hate “others” it’s nothing more complex than that.
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This much is true. You don't see them crying about immigrants from Sweden or Denmark. During the Farage riots, or any other riots across Europe did you ever see a white immigrant running for their life? Did you see a white immigrant getting attacked in the street? Did you see a white immigrant attacked at their dwelling? Did you see any white immigrant attacked for having a foreign accent?
No, white immigrants went on about their business as usual without any fear, even those that can't speak a word of English.
posted on 7/11/24
Don't forget recent immigration numbers are heavily skewed by the number of Ukrainians we've opened all our doors to and welcomed so openly to join society, because we feel sorry for them and it's the right thing to do.
But if the immigrant comes from the Sudan war, there is no avenue to the UK. If they make it here illegally, they have to go through an asylum process because we don't want to let them in like the Ukrainians.
But even the asylum process is also a problem because we are "spending too much money looking after immigrants instead of our own".
I know some people mean well, but trying to argue that racism isn't behind the anti-immigration sentiment in the west is a disservice to anti-racism.
posted on 7/11/24
comment by Trump 2024, Make America Great Again (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
Don't forget recent immigration numbers are heavily skewed by the number of Ukrainians we've opened all our doors to and welcomed so openly to join society, because we feel sorry for them and it's the right thing to do.
But if the immigrant comes from the Sudan war, there is no avenue to the UK. If they make it here illegally, they have to go through an asylum process because we don't want to let them in like the Ukrainians.
But even the asylum process is also a problem because we are "spending too much money looking after immigrants instead of our own".
I know some people mean well, but trying to argue that racism isn't behind the anti-immigration sentiment in the west is a disservice to anti-racism.
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Interesting points. It’s funny the foreign minister of Poland spoke about this.
Do you think there’s a difference in perception because Ukrainian immigration is likely temporary rather than permanent?
posted on 7/11/24
comment by Trump 2024, Make America Great Again (U1282)
posted 13 minutes ago
"we’re sending professional soldiers off to wars"
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Are these not our sons? Again, we are involved in all the wars, lose more soldiers than most and run military bases across the world at a great cost. Trident hasn't stopped any of these.
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These are sons that made a choice - we’re not kidnapping people off the street, we’re not conscripting and we’re not in a position where we feel we have to do it. You can keep picking at this but it seems churlish as I’ve made my point clearly.
We are involved in the wars we want to be, where we are vastly stronger. We absolutely do not lose more soldiers than most - see Russia/Ukraine.
There is a cost to everything, the NHS runs at a great cost but is a huge benefit to our people - so is trident, even if you do not understand what that benefit is. I don’t sit here though and say scrap the NHS as I’ve not had to use it for the last 5 years.
Let’s get rid of the TV licence - what am I getting from that?
posted on 7/11/24
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Trump 2024, Make America Great Again(U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by Trump 2024, Make America Great Again(U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
This country knows the sacrifice of war, parents aren’t sending their kids off to fight one when we all we need to prevent it is Trident
====
Show me one country that doesn't know the sacrifice of war, or the sacrifice fighting for freedom. Majority have fought Britain itself to get their freedom and independence and they don't have nuclear weapons just because they know a sacrifice.
I think it's simplistic to think trident is the reason we don't send our sins to war. Mainly because it's not true. We send them to war more than almost anyone else outside of the USA. Having trident is a deterrent, but it hasn't saved is from sending our son's to war.
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It’s stopped conscript, we’re sending professional soldiers off to wars where our weaponry is light years ahead of the opposition and there chances of survival are very good.
Ukraine have been kidnapping men off the street to fight and ultimately die
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That wasn't the point you were making though.
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Off course it was - we don’t want to send our sons off to fight wars. Professional soldiers on the other hand, those that have put themselves in a position where that is a possibility have to accept the fact. The difference of course is they made that choice, unlike the guys getting kidnapped in Ukraine.
The other big difference being we’re going into wars on our terms, where we are vastly stronger than our opponents.
We won’t ever be drawn into a conflict we do not want to be in whilst we have a nuclear deterrent - countries without that deterrent or the aid of a country with a nuclear deterrent cannot and will never be able to say the same thing.
The simple way of looking at this is pre 1952 this island was invaded many times and many further attempts were made. Post 1952, when Britain had nuclear capability, no one has so much as tried it
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Well there it is, the stupidest thing I’ll read today.
I’m done with you people, I can’t even be ar$ed with the match thread.
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You wanna read back through some of your own stuff mate - my comments not even top 10
posted on 7/11/24
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Trump 2024, Make America Great Again(U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
comment by Trump 2024, Make America Great Again(U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
This country knows the sacrifice of war, parents aren’t sending their kids off to fight one when we all we need to prevent it is Trident
====
Show me one country that doesn't know the sacrifice of war, or the sacrifice fighting for freedom. Majority have fought Britain itself to get their freedom and independence and they don't have nuclear weapons just because they know a sacrifice.
I think it's simplistic to think trident is the reason we don't send our sins to war. Mainly because it's not true. We send them to war more than almost anyone else outside of the USA. Having trident is a deterrent, but it hasn't saved is from sending our son's to war.
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It’s stopped conscript, we’re sending professional soldiers off to wars where our weaponry is light years ahead of the opposition and there chances of survival are very good.
Ukraine have been kidnapping men off the street to fight and ultimately die
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That wasn't the point you were making though.
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Off course it was - we don’t want to send our sons off to fight wars. Professional soldiers on the other hand, those that have put themselves in a position where that is a possibility have to accept the fact. The difference of course is they made that choice, unlike the guys getting kidnapped in Ukraine.
The other big difference being we’re going into wars on our terms, where we are vastly stronger than our opponents.
We won’t ever be drawn into a conflict we do not want to be in whilst we have a nuclear deterrent - countries without that deterrent or the aid of a country with a nuclear deterrent cannot and will never be able to say the same thing.
The simple way of looking at this is pre 1952 this island was invaded many times and many further attempts were made. Post 1952, when Britain had nuclear capability, no one has so much as tried it
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Well there it is, the stupidest thing I’ll read today.
I’m done with you people, I can’t even be ar$ed with the match thread.
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You wanna read back through some of your own stuff mate - my comments not even top 10
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I said what I said.
Cope
posted on 7/11/24
comment by Fred: Blame Gwen Stefani (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Trump 2024, Make America Great Again(U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
Don't forget recent immigration numbers are heavily skewed by the number of Ukrainians we've opened all our doors to and welcomed so openly to join society, because we feel sorry for them and it's the right thing to do.
But if the immigrant comes from the Sudan war, there is no avenue to the UK. If they make it here illegally, they have to go through an asylum process because we don't want to let them in like the Ukrainians.
But even the asylum process is also a problem because we are "spending too much money looking after immigrants instead of our own".
I know some people mean well, but trying to argue that racism isn't behind the anti-immigration sentiment in the west is a disservice to anti-racism.
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Interesting points. It’s funny the foreign minister of Poland spoke about this.
Do you think there’s a difference in perception because Ukrainian immigration is likely temporary rather than permanent?
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I don't think most people bothered with immigration even care. What do you mean by temporary anyway? There's no guarantee it will be temporary because after a certain period of time they will be naturalised. Their avenue to UK citizenship is almost guaranteed for those who want it.
We had campaigns here for people to open their homes to Ukrainian refugees. The country patting it's own back for rescuing them but I want imagine a similar campaign for the Sudanese or Palestinians.
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