To put simply, Bolton are not a club who are internationally supported around the world.
What people don't seem to be able to read is the part where he says that all clubs in the Premier League should receive the same share of TV rights in this country. However! On the international scene, we should be allowed to negotiate our own terms, considering we have a much bigger following internationally than a team like Bolton for example.
Does the history count towards this? Of course it does. We gained a lot of fans internationally in the 70's and 80's due to our exciting football and competitions won, most of the fans will still be around today, only older, so yes, the history does come into it.
This is not arrogant, this is the fair way to do it. Is it arrogant that a team like Bolton think they should receive the same money as the clubs who are actually bringing that international support into the Premier League?
Yawn............
Did you spend the last couple of days writing this.
You should have spent the time cleaning your windows.
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To put simply, Bolton are not a club who are internationally supported around the world.
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Are you being serious? we have support all over the world .......
It is arrogant to assume that we don't ....
The strength in the Premier league has been the league, yes there are a few clubs that help bring in a few fans but I'd doubt they'd have the same support if they hadn't been in such a good league of 20 years.
Big Sam was the official, Sri lankan pin up, a few years ago
What Ayre seems to miss is that the people watching the premiership overseas are of course following individual clubs, but the TV companies are buying a product. They are buying the rights to broadcast the Premier League. They get to choose which of the games they show but they have access to all of them.
In South Korea for example, I'm sure there are more fans of Liverpool than Bolton but since we have the services of Lee Chung Yong, our games are broadcast there every time we play. How would that be divvied up then?
comment by Sir Robert Paisley says (U3823)
posted 10 minutes ago
Yawn............
Did you spend the last couple of days writing this.
You should have spent the time cleaning your windows.
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You haven't been one of the scouse decorators working on a conservatory at Tatton Park have you? because that's precisely what I've been doing :D
comment by TheHateCamel (U3897)
posted 2 minutes ago
What Ayre seems to miss is that the people watching the premiership overseas are of course following individual clubs, but the TV companies are buying a product. They are buying the rights to broadcast the Premier League. They get to choose which of the games they show but they have access to all of them.
In South Korea for example, I'm sure there are more fans of Liverpool than Bolton but since we have the services of Lee Chung Yong, our games are broadcast there every time we play. How would that be divvied up then?
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Yes exactly, meaning you would be negotiating your own deal with South Korean TV companies meaning you would probably be the third highest earners from that country after Man United and Liverpool. This is exactly what I am trying to point out.
Yes exactly, meaning you would be negotiating your own deal with South Korean TV companies meaning you would probably be the third highest earners from that country after Man United and Liverpool. This is exactly what I am trying to point out.
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I doubt that is the opposition to it.
Look at the Scottish and Spanish leagues, both terrible, why? because of the TV rights, do we really want this happening in the Premier league?
TheHateCamel
You are on a hiding to nothing here mate.
Bow down admit Liverpool are the greatest and Henderson and Adam will dominate european midfield's for the next decade and they might start warming to you
Before you lot all spout your pathetic rubbish about the TV rights issue please just read the REAL quote from Ian Ayre. Looks like the media twisted what he said.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/ayre-explains-tv-comments
Guys, interesting argument but actually we're not talking history here are we?
Bolton are histiorically an older club than Liverpool - and a lot of others - but why should that history hand them a God-given right to equal shares of TV money?
So, forget historical age. What we're talking about is historical success. Success brings in fans. Not just in Bootle but in Kaula Lumpar, Singapore and even Australia. Fans generate money.
So the Liverpool argument of controlling their own international TV rights has a lot of merits. But it also has a downside. Suppose the other so-called "big" clubs pursued this route. If it came to pass I fear the gap between the "Haves" and the "Have nots" in the EPL would get bigger and bigger. Which IMO is not a good thing.
What, then, would happen to the Boltons, the Baggies, Norwich, Wolves and Swansea Citys of this world? An EPL ruled by an international TV-money rich elite would be a boring thing indeed.
Barca and Real Madrid control their TV rights. Just look at their league every season. Nuff said.
Fred, weres the apology in here for insulting my club? did he or did he not say nobody wants to watch Bolton abroad?
In the interview I have read, see above, he does not say that once.
But be honestly, Liverpool will get far far far more viewers abroad than Bolton and you know that!!! Start living in the real world Moses.
I don't see anything in there that says he didn't intend to damage the revenue of other clubs. I did like this though. He says he doesn't want to damage the league. If Liverpool get a bigger slice of the pie then others get less. But the individual rights aren't being sold, the League rights are.
"It's something I'd like to see debated and I'd like to see addressed."
There seems to be only Ayre who thinks there's an issue that needs addressing. Could this be due to the fact that the top teams are pulling away from Liverpool at an alarming rate? Of course it is. Get a manager that doesn't chuck 55 million away on two untested players, Get an owner that knows something about football, organise the building of a new stadium properly instead of spending 7 years prevaricating over it. But don't sell the smaller teams down the river because you're thrashing around panicking over the remarkable lack of progress of your team.
In the interview I have read, see above, he does not say that once.
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Well I heard him say it on the news or was that doctored as well.
I just wonder were he got his facts from ......
Can I just ask, do you think the extra revenue make Liverpool a force again?
*will make Liverpool a force again?
This debate has turned into a debate of mocking and ignorance, so for that reason, I'm out.
History is overated... its all in the past
Sheer ignorance is the absolute source of this entire debate. For that reason, it will never happen.
It's a good job for Liverpool that the founder members of the football league didn't decide to make it a closed shop.
If you want to negotiate your own TV rights, form your own league. You won't be missed by me, Ayers.
Yet again you idiots please read the interview with Ian Ayre!! He doesn't want a breakaway deal.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/ayre-explains-tv-comments
"However, the way those values that come in are distributed is an issue we believe.
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i.e. he wants Liverpool to get more money and the smaller clubs to get less .... whether that is due to individual rights or the share of the TV rights gets changed.
Do you think Liverpool can compete with Barca if they get more money?
No of course not, I just want us to get what we deserve.
Liverpool are on TV this weekend, next weekend and the weekend after. What about Bolton?
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posted on 15/10/11
To put simply, Bolton are not a club who are internationally supported around the world.
What people don't seem to be able to read is the part where he says that all clubs in the Premier League should receive the same share of TV rights in this country. However! On the international scene, we should be allowed to negotiate our own terms, considering we have a much bigger following internationally than a team like Bolton for example.
Does the history count towards this? Of course it does. We gained a lot of fans internationally in the 70's and 80's due to our exciting football and competitions won, most of the fans will still be around today, only older, so yes, the history does come into it.
This is not arrogant, this is the fair way to do it. Is it arrogant that a team like Bolton think they should receive the same money as the clubs who are actually bringing that international support into the Premier League?
posted on 15/10/11
Yawn............
Did you spend the last couple of days writing this.
You should have spent the time cleaning your windows.
................................................................
posted on 15/10/11
To put simply, Bolton are not a club who are internationally supported around the world.
--
Are you being serious? we have support all over the world .......
It is arrogant to assume that we don't ....
The strength in the Premier league has been the league, yes there are a few clubs that help bring in a few fans but I'd doubt they'd have the same support if they hadn't been in such a good league of 20 years.
posted on 15/10/11
Big Sam was the official, Sri lankan pin up, a few years ago
posted on 15/10/11
What Ayre seems to miss is that the people watching the premiership overseas are of course following individual clubs, but the TV companies are buying a product. They are buying the rights to broadcast the Premier League. They get to choose which of the games they show but they have access to all of them.
In South Korea for example, I'm sure there are more fans of Liverpool than Bolton but since we have the services of Lee Chung Yong, our games are broadcast there every time we play. How would that be divvied up then?
posted on 15/10/11
comment by Sir Robert Paisley says (U3823)
posted 10 minutes ago
Yawn............
Did you spend the last couple of days writing this.
You should have spent the time cleaning your windows.
................................................................
You haven't been one of the scouse decorators working on a conservatory at Tatton Park have you? because that's precisely what I've been doing :D
posted on 15/10/11
comment by TheHateCamel (U3897)
posted 2 minutes ago
What Ayre seems to miss is that the people watching the premiership overseas are of course following individual clubs, but the TV companies are buying a product. They are buying the rights to broadcast the Premier League. They get to choose which of the games they show but they have access to all of them.
In South Korea for example, I'm sure there are more fans of Liverpool than Bolton but since we have the services of Lee Chung Yong, our games are broadcast there every time we play. How would that be divvied up then?
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Yes exactly, meaning you would be negotiating your own deal with South Korean TV companies meaning you would probably be the third highest earners from that country after Man United and Liverpool. This is exactly what I am trying to point out.
posted on 15/10/11
Yes exactly, meaning you would be negotiating your own deal with South Korean TV companies meaning you would probably be the third highest earners from that country after Man United and Liverpool. This is exactly what I am trying to point out.
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I doubt that is the opposition to it.
Look at the Scottish and Spanish leagues, both terrible, why? because of the TV rights, do we really want this happening in the Premier league?
posted on 15/10/11
TheHateCamel
You are on a hiding to nothing here mate.
Bow down admit Liverpool are the greatest and Henderson and Adam will dominate european midfield's for the next decade and they might start warming to you
posted on 15/10/11
Before you lot all spout your pathetic rubbish about the TV rights issue please just read the REAL quote from Ian Ayre. Looks like the media twisted what he said.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/ayre-explains-tv-comments
posted on 15/10/11
Guys, interesting argument but actually we're not talking history here are we?
Bolton are histiorically an older club than Liverpool - and a lot of others - but why should that history hand them a God-given right to equal shares of TV money?
So, forget historical age. What we're talking about is historical success. Success brings in fans. Not just in Bootle but in Kaula Lumpar, Singapore and even Australia. Fans generate money.
So the Liverpool argument of controlling their own international TV rights has a lot of merits. But it also has a downside. Suppose the other so-called "big" clubs pursued this route. If it came to pass I fear the gap between the "Haves" and the "Have nots" in the EPL would get bigger and bigger. Which IMO is not a good thing.
What, then, would happen to the Boltons, the Baggies, Norwich, Wolves and Swansea Citys of this world? An EPL ruled by an international TV-money rich elite would be a boring thing indeed.
Barca and Real Madrid control their TV rights. Just look at their league every season. Nuff said.
posted on 15/10/11
Fred, weres the apology in here for insulting my club? did he or did he not say nobody wants to watch Bolton abroad?
posted on 15/10/11
In the interview I have read, see above, he does not say that once.
But be honestly, Liverpool will get far far far more viewers abroad than Bolton and you know that!!! Start living in the real world Moses.
posted on 15/10/11
*be honest
posted on 15/10/11
I don't see anything in there that says he didn't intend to damage the revenue of other clubs. I did like this though. He says he doesn't want to damage the league. If Liverpool get a bigger slice of the pie then others get less. But the individual rights aren't being sold, the League rights are.
"It's something I'd like to see debated and I'd like to see addressed."
There seems to be only Ayre who thinks there's an issue that needs addressing. Could this be due to the fact that the top teams are pulling away from Liverpool at an alarming rate? Of course it is. Get a manager that doesn't chuck 55 million away on two untested players, Get an owner that knows something about football, organise the building of a new stadium properly instead of spending 7 years prevaricating over it. But don't sell the smaller teams down the river because you're thrashing around panicking over the remarkable lack of progress of your team.
posted on 15/10/11
In the interview I have read, see above, he does not say that once.
--
Well I heard him say it on the news or was that doctored as well.
I just wonder were he got his facts from ......
posted on 15/10/11
Can I just ask, do you think the extra revenue make Liverpool a force again?
posted on 15/10/11
*will make Liverpool a force again?
posted on 15/10/11
This debate has turned into a debate of mocking and ignorance, so for that reason, I'm out.
posted on 15/10/11
History is overated... its all in the past
posted on 15/10/11
Sheer ignorance is the absolute source of this entire debate. For that reason, it will never happen.
posted on 15/10/11
It's a good job for Liverpool that the founder members of the football league didn't decide to make it a closed shop.
If you want to negotiate your own TV rights, form your own league. You won't be missed by me, Ayers.
posted on 15/10/11
Yet again you idiots please read the interview with Ian Ayre!! He doesn't want a breakaway deal.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/ayre-explains-tv-comments
posted on 15/10/11
"However, the way those values that come in are distributed is an issue we believe.
---
i.e. he wants Liverpool to get more money and the smaller clubs to get less .... whether that is due to individual rights or the share of the TV rights gets changed.
Do you think Liverpool can compete with Barca if they get more money?
posted on 15/10/11
No of course not, I just want us to get what we deserve.
Liverpool are on TV this weekend, next weekend and the weekend after. What about Bolton?
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