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I meant like your opinion on the religion itself, if u have one?

I don't know enough to comment, Leiva, I'll be honest.

Something I'd love to research though.

I know a little bit... But probably not enough to debate lol!

But not everyone comes to the same conclusion about god. I'm living proof of that

And I wonder if you gave easter islanders or aboriginies the same access to education as we have today whether they would all come to the same conclusion or whether they would question their belief.

I went to a Hindhu festival once, for Shiva.

It was a tad surreal & we felt like we were intruding, but the people were really welcoming.

But not everyone comes to the same conclusion about god. I'm living proof of that

And I wonder if you gave easter islanders or aboriginies the same access to education as we have today whether they would all come to the same conclusion or whether they would question their belief.
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Reggie, my recent post was a bit lazy. I am not referring to every individual necessarily, but every cultural society.

It might well be that modern europe is the first society in the history of mankind to not believe in a supreme being which did each of the following :

a) created life
b) takes an active interest in life
c) has a role in the next life

this can not be a conincidence. there is something which is making all of these indepenent cultures reach an almost identical conclusion.

would they have reached the same conclusion with the science known now ? i dont know. but my question is why we all conclude the same thing independent of "advanced" scientific opinion.

there are either infite alternate conclusions which could be reached, or numerous alternative conclusions, yet no society (with the possible exception of our own) has - so far as we know - reached any of those alternate conclusions.

And I wonder if you gave easter islanders or aboriginies the same access to education as we have today whether they would all come to the same conclusion or whether they would question their belief.
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Interesting point - however what about people like my girlfriend's uncle. He is a rocket scientist working for NASA yet religious.

My friend who studies bioscience yet is a strict Muslim. What about those people who have the same (maybe more) access to education yet don't question their beliefs.

I do actually have a theory why Europe is less religious than other nations such as the States.

I actually like getting into debates about different religions. It opens up your eyes to the others and sometimes helps spot flaws in your own.

Granted its all kept civil ofcourse

Agree totally Leiva

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKOS4I6pUuY

Many people still believe in all sorts of stuff, doesn't mean it's right, just that the thought of this kind of thing has gone on for a long time. Just like the thought that the earth was flat. I don't see any special relationship between religion happening in all cultures. There has also been an absence of religion in all cultures too in one form or another

metro is the ultimate creator.....of pointless articles!

Just like the thought that the earth was flat.
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no. one european society communally concluding that the world is flat has no similarity whatsoever to every (or almost every) culture in human history independently reaching the conclusions i have described above.

This is a far from pointless thread. It's been good reading

And I wonder if you gave easter islanders or aboriginies the same access to education as we have today whether they would all come to the same conclusion or whether they would question their belief.
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If you had been to Australia you'd know most people of Aboriginal dissent spend their lives spending tax money on alcohol and cursing captain cook.

The few civilised Aboriginals I met there were no more religious than your average person, I certainly never met one who even mentioned god.

Obviously the more traditional people still believe in a god, but many have now conformed the western way of life.

Not an endorsed ja606 thread, given we aren't qualified to moderate, but only becomes an issue when it causes complaints. But not the first big thread on such topics that get pulled when things get edgy.

This thread was the exception and seems to have been good natured and respectful.

Good article Metro

I havent read all the comments as i havent got the time ..."Cause and effect" is one of the cornerstones in the rules of classical physics of the universe, however, upto the point of the big bang, there was no universe, so the rules of physics as we understand them didnt exist, and we have no idea if "cause and effect" applied. It would seem not as there would never be a begining to a creator or to whatever.

Also, cause and effect may not apply to all aspects of quantum physiscs, and a clue to the beginning of the universe may well lay there

the belief in religion and gods has been handed down from generation to generation, from pagan pre-popular religions to the modern day, I still see zero value in it being isolated, humans made it into all of these places and were able to communicate their own ideas, it doesn't surprise me that such a primitive thought of a god or religion existed in all societies throughout history.

so did murder and war, we still do those too.

This thread was the exception and seems to have been good natured and respectful.

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Credit to the filter/banning system??

so did murder and war, we still do those too.
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could you expand on this point, because it is too vague to address at the moment.

Credit to the people posting on it most probably.

Hand in Glove

The amazing thing about god (in the christian sense) is he visited earth once, a few thousand years ago, told some ilitererate middle eastern peasant about his rules, and buggered off never to be seen again.

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