Is it not reasonable to suggest that many people who believe in religion are simply afraid to accept their own mortality?

E.g - your father dies, but now he is in a better place. Or simply 'somebody to talk to' in difficult times.

For me, it seems 'god' is nothing more than a route to a positive state of mind.
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I used to think the same way. Then I met a lot of different people and did a hell of a lot of research and my mind is a lot more open.

Is it not reasonable to suggest that many people who believe in religion are simply afraid to accept their own mortality?
'E.g - your father dies, but now he is in a better place. Or simply 'somebody to talk to' in difficult times.

For me, it seems 'god' is nothing more than a route to a positive state of mind.'

An excellent post 5 *****s

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"The other thing is, scientists know there is far more to be learnt out there, you do know that there is a rover heading towards mars right now? It wasn't god that put it there, it was physics, mathematics and solid engineering."

According to religion God created humanity - and humanity sent the Rover to Mars.

I love people who think humans know so much

Biggla, the stuff about attractors in chaotic systems and the fish and shark population during world war 2 is pretty good.

so just carrying on from my last comment, what rumsfeld is saying is that there are identified unknowns which are relevant, but also as yet unidentified unknowns which will be relevant.

in a creation context, aaaaaghhhhhhhhhhhhhh, what am i doing ???????????

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Very true and it is an exciting time to live in, but it steems much futher too from the elements created in Super nova's!

On the Mars subject is about time we should be sending man there, I know we are preparing for it, but its like taking forever lol!

If a God does exist - humans will never ever understand it. No matter how much we research or look into it, it'll never be proven!

People say yeah but this exists because of this - but we've no idea why it's there or what started it all.

Great - we got to Mars.

Great - we could prove the big bang.

What started it all?

What has caused people for thousands of years to believe in a God? Why don't animals if all species are equal?

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brightdave

Can I ask what belief you lean towards?

'What has caused people for thousands of years to believe in a God? Why don't animals if all species are equal?'

Arent we animals? Isnt our DNA almost indentical to modern Primates? Or are we just and arrogant and destructive species that probably needs to be wiped out?

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Ha, I love patronising believers that think they can explain everything away with god created it so therefore everything is due to god. It's a weak argument and is entirely why I don't believe in a god.

indeed Fred, what has caused people to believe in a god? don't forget, that there have been many religions (not just the modern ones) that were keen on sacrifice, where they correct too? Did they have the right word of god? God seems to only exist in a socially acceptable context and no more.

'Are you talking about the Mars Rover that billions was spent on but was lost because of a miscalculation between units? WOW, that was some great engineering. Example fail...'

Thats a different mission, that was a Chinese and Russian mission to Phobos (Mars Moon) to land and study what its made of etc...

Seperately theres a rover en-route to Mars!

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Reggie, what do you make of the OP saying that a fundamental of science is the notion of cause and effect. Every effect has a cause.

With time and the cosmos sharing the same point of origin, the cause of both (time and the cosmos) must exist beyond both as we understand it.

The Mars Rover is a complex system where one of many things could have failed. just so happened it was a unit conversion. Was at a presentation on nano technology a few years ago(2001) and they were talking about FPGA fabrication and that at that time there was an acceptability that some gates would be corrupt and that systems would fail. Used to work with a guy who worked on hubble and the grief they used to get with silicone welding where even the slightest bubble in zero G would cause the thing to explode. I'm always kinda surprised when space missions are successful.

redmisty, you may be intrested in extraterrestrial engineering then, some believe that we were engineered by the greys with ape dna and there own dna, we are the result. according to some. on the basis of evolution though its unlikely we will see it occuring regularly because it takes hundreds of thousands of years to millions of years, many generations. but evolution is visbale even today within insect soecies that rapidly go through the generations. it was also shown that the human body during the world war eveolved to an extent, with newborn babies able to survive on a much lower calorie rate to those a generation before, the body stored fats more efficiently due to the huge poverty and starvation.

Redinthehead, of course, otherwise we'd have all of the answers by now The big bang isn't the start of it all, imho it's just part of the process but to say a creator, or god made/makes everything happen 'just so' is naive.

indeed Fred, what has caused people to believe in a god? don't forget, that there have been many religions (not just the modern ones) that were keen on sacrifice, where they correct too? Did they have the right word of god? God seems to only exist in a socially acceptable context and no more.
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I don't know what is correct - I don't have a clue but the paradox is that nor do you.

Again - it's faith not knowledge. This seems to be something nobody understands.

"Ha, I love patronising believers that think they can explain everything away with god created it so therefore everything is due to god. It's a weak argument and is entirely why I don't believe in a god."

No need to go on the defensive by the way - I've never said I'm a believe or that I know anything for definite.

But what is a better argument than God to explain why things exist? On the grand scheme of things I mean. Scientists can't explain it and never will at least not while we're alive.

Why do you think the universe was created? Random sequence of events? Starting from what?

if there;s a god i think it's an energy force or that type of thing rather than an old man.

im not sure how an energy force could have a son.

bitterpool, I may be wrong but the newborn calorie thing wasn't evolution thing but a gene activation thing due to stresses in utero

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Is it not reasonable to suggest that many people who believe in religion are simply afraid to accept their own mortality?

E.g - your father dies, but now he is in a better place. Or simply 'somebody to talk to' in difficult times.

For me, it seems 'god' is nothing more than a route to a positive state of mind.
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I used to think the same way. Then I met a lot of different people and did a hell of a lot of research and my mind is a lot more open.
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Fair enough. I'm not one to brush off religion or religious people, I think the above statement is as much a view from my own personal experience as much as anything.

I think I'd have myself down as an atheist now, but there have been times where I have prayed, been to church and it certainly gives you a sense of well being. I used to believe, or should I say I wanted to believe, I just try to think myself lucky to be here now to be honest.