Hang on. Are you disputing that the government settled the dispute with the rail unions to try and prevent strikes continuing?

I’m pretty sure Avanti are part of an Italian firm

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posted 17 seconds ago
I’m pretty sure Avanti are part of an Italian firm
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I'm sure you may well be correct.

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 17 seconds ago
I’m pretty sure Avanti are part of an Italian firm
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I'm sure you may well be correct.
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https://weownit.org.uk/sites/default/files/sector-tag-share-images/WOI-Rail-Ownership-Map-1800x1012-5-green_1.png

Pretty colours and everything.

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
They've been in power for what, 8 weeks? and parliament hasn't even sat for half of that due to summer recess. I don't get what people expect them to have done in this timeframe.

The budget will be the one where we can finally issue some judgement but even then, it's their first one with 4.5 more years to go so writing them off solely on that seems silly, well unless it's a Truss V2 that crashes the economy
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And in that time they've given way above wage increases to the railways and junior doctors with no return on improvement other than the guarantee of further strikes 9I suppose someone might call that an improvement) , whilst depriving all but the very poorest of pensioners of a paltry heating allowance which means everything to the vast majority of them.

The savings on the fuel allowance are some £1.5bn reportedly whilst the cost of the increased wages are some £10bn. All to prevent the cost and disruption caused by strikes which they have spectacularly failed at.

All capped off with the gloomiest prediction of significant austerity and taxation to come in a couple of months because of the black hole which half comprises the results of their own political choices.

An auspicious 8 weeks indeed.
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Anyone who voted Tory over the last 14 years hasn't got a leg to stand on here. Why are we in this mess?
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Everyone has a right to comment however they wish.
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Say what you want, doesn't make of true or valid. Pay hasn't increased in real terms since 2008 under the Tories. Meanwhile £40m pa on helicopters is fine, so is wasting hundreds of millions on the ideological vanity project that was Rwanda, or how about the billions wasted in COVID loans for.mates and associates.

Blame the actual culprits for the situation we are in, not the government who've been in power for 2 months

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 17 seconds ago
I’m pretty sure Avanti are part of an Italian firm
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I'm sure you may well be correct.
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https://weownit.org.uk/sites/default/files/sector-tag-share-images/WOI-Rail-Ownership-Map-1800x1012-5-green_1.png

Pretty colours and everything.
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It is pretty

This reminds me of when Tories blamed Labour for the global financial crash

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
They've been in power for what, 8 weeks? and parliament hasn't even sat for half of that due to summer recess. I don't get what people expect them to have done in this timeframe.

The budget will be the one where we can finally issue some judgement but even then, it's their first one with 4.5 more years to go so writing them off solely on that seems silly, well unless it's a Truss V2 that crashes the economy
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And in that time they've given way above wage increases to the railways and junior doctors with no return on improvement other than the guarantee of further strikes 9I suppose someone might call that an improvement) , whilst depriving all but the very poorest of pensioners of a paltry heating allowance which means everything to the vast majority of them.

The savings on the fuel allowance are some £1.5bn reportedly whilst the cost of the increased wages are some £10bn. All to prevent the cost and disruption caused by strikes which they have spectacularly failed at.

All capped off with the gloomiest prediction of significant austerity and taxation to come in a couple of months because of the black hole which half comprises the results of their own political choices.

An auspicious 8 weeks indeed.
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Anyone who voted Tory over the last 14 years hasn't got a leg to stand on here. Why are we in this mess?
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Everyone has a right to comment however they wish.
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Say what you want, doesn't make of true or valid. Pay hasn't increased in real terms since 2008 under the Tories. Meanwhile £40m pa on helicopters is fine, so is wasting hundreds of millions on the ideological vanity project that was Rwanda, or how about the billions wasted in COVID loans for.mates and associates.

Blame the actual culprits for the situation we are in, not the government who've been in power for 2 months
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Thank you. I think I do apportion blame where I feel it is deserved, and I don't limit it to any one political party.

comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 11 minutes ago
This reminds me of when Tories blamed Labour for the global financial crash
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What’s worse is Tories blaming Labour for not enacting policies that are against Tory economic policy, or complaining when they enact policies that are actually similar.

I think people should be very concerned at Labour potentially using austerity policies. But Tories can get in the facking bin complaining about it given what they’ve subjected this country to.

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
They've been in power for what, 8 weeks? and parliament hasn't even sat for half of that due to summer recess. I don't get what people expect them to have done in this timeframe.

The budget will be the one where we can finally issue some judgement but even then, it's their first one with 4.5 more years to go so writing them off solely on that seems silly, well unless it's a Truss V2 that crashes the economy
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And in that time they've given way above wage increases to the railways and junior doctors with no return on improvement other than the guarantee of further strikes 9I suppose someone might call that an improvement) , whilst depriving all but the very poorest of pensioners of a paltry heating allowance which means everything to the vast majority of them.

The savings on the fuel allowance are some £1.5bn reportedly whilst the cost of the increased wages are some £10bn. All to prevent the cost and disruption caused by strikes which they have spectacularly failed at.

All capped off with the gloomiest prediction of significant austerity and taxation to come in a couple of months because of the black hole which half comprises the results of their own political choices.

An auspicious 8 weeks indeed.
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Anyone who voted Tory over the last 14 years hasn't got a leg to stand on here. Why are we in this mess?
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Everyone has a right to comment however they wish.
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Say what you want, doesn't make of true or valid. Pay hasn't increased in real terms since 2008 under the Tories. Meanwhile £40m pa on helicopters is fine, so is wasting hundreds of millions on the ideological vanity project that was Rwanda, or how about the billions wasted in COVID loans for.mates and associates.

Blame the actual culprits for the situation we are in, not the government who've been in power for 2 months
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Thank you. I think I do apportion blame where I feel it is deserved, and I don't limit it to any one political party.
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Yeah course you do, evidenced by you blaming deserved public sector pay rises on Labour

Typical Tory 'we broke it you fix it ideology'. This happens when the PM and ministers know there's no risk of consequence for their actions and in fact they end up enriched making a fortune. The likes of Johnson, Truss et al should be in court for their actions in office.

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
They've been in power for what, 8 weeks? and parliament hasn't even sat for half of that due to summer recess. I don't get what people expect them to have done in this timeframe.

The budget will be the one where we can finally issue some judgement but even then, it's their first one with 4.5 more years to go so writing them off solely on that seems silly, well unless it's a Truss V2 that crashes the economy
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And in that time they've given way above wage increases to the railways and junior doctors with no return on improvement other than the guarantee of further strikes 9I suppose someone might call that an improvement) , whilst depriving all but the very poorest of pensioners of a paltry heating allowance which means everything to the vast majority of them.

The savings on the fuel allowance are some £1.5bn reportedly whilst the cost of the increased wages are some £10bn. All to prevent the cost and disruption caused by strikes which they have spectacularly failed at.

All capped off with the gloomiest prediction of significant austerity and taxation to come in a couple of months because of the black hole which half comprises the results of their own political choices.

An auspicious 8 weeks indeed.
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Anyone who voted Tory over the last 14 years hasn't got a leg to stand on here. Why are we in this mess?
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Everyone has a right to comment however they wish.
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Say what you want, doesn't make of true or valid. Pay hasn't increased in real terms since 2008 under the Tories. Meanwhile £40m pa on helicopters is fine, so is wasting hundreds of millions on the ideological vanity project that was Rwanda, or how about the billions wasted in COVID loans for.mates and associates.

Blame the actual culprits for the situation we are in, not the government who've been in power for 2 months
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Thank you. I think I do apportion blame where I feel it is deserved, and I don't limit it to any one political party.
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Yeah course you do, evidenced by you blaming deserved public sector pay rises on Labour

Typical Tory 'we broke it you fix it ideology'. This happens when the PM and ministers know there's no risk of consequence for their actions and in fact they end up enriched making a fortune. The likes of Johnson, Truss et al should be in court for their actions in office.
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Yes. Because that’s exactly what I said

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
They've been in power for what, 8 weeks? and parliament hasn't even sat for half of that due to summer recess. I don't get what people expect them to have done in this timeframe.

The budget will be the one where we can finally issue some judgement but even then, it's their first one with 4.5 more years to go so writing them off solely on that seems silly, well unless it's a Truss V2 that crashes the economy
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And in that time they've given way above wage increases to the railways and junior doctors with no return on improvement other than the guarantee of further strikes 9I suppose someone might call that an improvement) , whilst depriving all but the very poorest of pensioners of a paltry heating allowance which means everything to the vast majority of them.

The savings on the fuel allowance are some £1.5bn reportedly whilst the cost of the increased wages are some £10bn. All to prevent the cost and disruption caused by strikes which they have spectacularly failed at.

All capped off with the gloomiest prediction of significant austerity and taxation to come in a couple of months because of the black hole which half comprises the results of their own political choices.

An auspicious 8 weeks indeed.
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Anyone who voted Tory over the last 14 years hasn't got a leg to stand on here. Why are we in this mess?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Everyone has a right to comment however they wish.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Say what you want, doesn't make of true or valid. Pay hasn't increased in real terms since 2008 under the Tories. Meanwhile £40m pa on helicopters is fine, so is wasting hundreds of millions on the ideological vanity project that was Rwanda, or how about the billions wasted in COVID loans for.mates and associates.

Blame the actual culprits for the situation we are in, not the government who've been in power for 2 months
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Thank you. I think I do apportion blame where I feel it is deserved, and I don't limit it to any one political party.
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Yeah course you do, evidenced by you blaming deserved public sector pay rises on Labour

Typical Tory 'we broke it you fix it ideology'. This happens when the PM and ministers know there's no risk of consequence for their actions and in fact they end up enriched making a fortune. The likes of Johnson, Truss et al should be in court for their actions in office.
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Yes. Because that’s exactly what I said
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"And in that time they've given way above wage increases to the railways and junior doctors with no return on improvement other than the guarantee of further strikes 9I suppose someone might call that an improvement) , whilst depriving all but the very poorest of pensioners of a paltry heating allowance which means everything to the vast majority of them."

Junior Doctors were being asked to save lives, working 60 a 70 hours weeks on a pittance.

It take a special kind of Tory to even think about saying they don’t fully deserve it.

whilst depriving all but the very poorest of pensioners of a paltry heating allowance which means everything to the vast majority of them."
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Plus this is simply made up

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
They've been in power for what, 8 weeks? and parliament hasn't even sat for half of that due to summer recess. I don't get what people expect them to have done in this timeframe.

The budget will be the one where we can finally issue some judgement but even then, it's their first one with 4.5 more years to go so writing them off solely on that seems silly, well unless it's a Truss V2 that crashes the economy
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And in that time they've given way above wage increases to the railways and junior doctors with no return on improvement other than the guarantee of further strikes 9I suppose someone might call that an improvement) , whilst depriving all but the very poorest of pensioners of a paltry heating allowance which means everything to the vast majority of them.

The savings on the fuel allowance are some £1.5bn reportedly whilst the cost of the increased wages are some £10bn. All to prevent the cost and disruption caused by strikes which they have spectacularly failed at.

All capped off with the gloomiest prediction of significant austerity and taxation to come in a couple of months because of the black hole which half comprises the results of their own political choices.

An auspicious 8 weeks indeed.
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Anyone who voted Tory over the last 14 years hasn't got a leg to stand on here. Why are we in this mess?
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Everyone has a right to comment however they wish.
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Say what you want, doesn't make of true or valid. Pay hasn't increased in real terms since 2008 under the Tories. Meanwhile £40m pa on helicopters is fine, so is wasting hundreds of millions on the ideological vanity project that was Rwanda, or how about the billions wasted in COVID loans for.mates and associates.

Blame the actual culprits for the situation we are in, not the government who've been in power for 2 months
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Thank you. I think I do apportion blame where I feel it is deserved, and I don't limit it to any one political party.
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Yeah course you do, evidenced by you blaming deserved public sector pay rises on Labour

Typical Tory 'we broke it you fix it ideology'. This happens when the PM and ministers know there's no risk of consequence for their actions and in fact they end up enriched making a fortune. The likes of Johnson, Truss et al should be in court for their actions in office.
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Yes. Because that’s exactly what I said
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"And in that time they've given way above wage increases to the railways and junior doctors with no return on improvement other than the guarantee of further strikes 9I suppose someone might call that an improvement) , whilst depriving all but the very poorest of pensioners of a paltry heating allowance which means everything to the vast majority of them."


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Which is nothing like your interpretation

comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted 13 minutes ago
Junior Doctors were being asked to save lives, working 60 a 70 hours weeks on a pittance.

It take a special kind of Tory to even think about saying they don’t fully deserve it.
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Which again I didn’t say

comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted 13 minutes ago
whilst depriving all but the very poorest of pensioners of a paltry heating allowance which means everything to the vast majority of them."
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Plus this is simply made up
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Absolutely not made up at all.

Christ. It’s like battering your head off a brick wall in here at times

You wrote that Labour have “given way above wage increases to the junior doctors with no return on improvement other than the guarantee of further strikes”

I mean that verbatim. What exactly did you mean then?

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted 13 minutes ago
whilst depriving all but the very poorest of pensioners of a paltry heating allowance which means everything to the vast majority of them."
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Plus this is simply made up
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Absolutely not made up at all.

Christ. It’s like battering your head off a brick wall in here at times
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So they’ve not deprived the poorest… but the ones it dies affect, it means “everything to them”.

I think you should maybe consider changing your posting style. We’re not Tory scvm, so maybe don’t understand nauseating spin. Accommodate us.

comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted less than a minute ago
You wrote that Labour have “given way above wage increases to the junior doctors with no return on improvement other than the guarantee of further strikes”

I mean that verbatim. What exactly did you mean then?
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With no return on performance being the issue. When wage awards are given they usually involve some improvement, savings elsewhere or something tangible. That’s the usual course of events

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted 13 minutes ago
Junior Doctors were being asked to save lives, working 60 a 70 hours weeks on a pittance.

It take a special kind of Tory to even think about saying they don’t fully deserve it.
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Which again I didn’t say
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So what's your problem with doctors pay rise and how have Labour given it away?

comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted 13 minutes ago
whilst depriving all but the very poorest of pensioners of a paltry heating allowance which means everything to the vast majority of them."
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Plus this is simply made up
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Absolutely not made up at all.

Christ. It’s like battering your head off a brick wall in here at times
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So they’ve not deprived the poorest… but the ones it dies affect, it means “everything to them”.

I think you should maybe consider changing your posting style. We’re not Tory scvm, so maybe don’t understand nauseating spin. Accommodate us.
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All but the very poorest.

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted 13 minutes ago
Junior Doctors were being asked to save lives, working 60 a 70 hours weeks on a pittance.

It take a special kind of Tory to even think about saying they don’t fully deserve it.
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Which again I didn’t say
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So what's your problem with doctors pay rise and how have Labour given it away?
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Read above

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted less than a minute ago
You wrote that Labour have “given way above wage increases to the junior doctors with no return on improvement other than the guarantee of further strikes”

I mean that verbatim. What exactly did you mean then?
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With no return on performance being the issue. When wage awards are given they usually involve some improvement, savings elsewhere or something tangible. That’s the usual course of events
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That would make a bit of sense if they were chronically underpaid to start with. They were on less than minimum wage ffs.

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t ... (U6374)
posted 13 minutes ago
whilst depriving all but the very poorest of pensioners of a paltry heating allowance which means everything to the vast majority of them."
————

Plus this is simply made up
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Absolutely not made up at all.

Christ. It’s like battering your head off a brick wall in here at times
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So they’ve not deprived the poorest… but the ones it dies affect, it means “everything to them”.

I think you should maybe consider changing your posting style. We’re not Tory scvm, so maybe don’t understand nauseating spin. Accommodate us.
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All but the very poorest.
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You think the ‘vast majority’ of pensioners (again, your words) the winter fuel payment means ‘everything’ to them do ya?