comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 7 minutes ago
Sorry but fack Spurs in terms of what this means. If it means we don't get European football then frankly I couldn't give a shet. There is no possible scenario that comes out of this fairly except the season restarts ay some point WITH fans in the stadium. It one other scenario is fair. Therefore, if they are going to cancel the season then only anything already mathematically confirmed should stand. I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
Its a mess. I just seriously hope this lock down ends ASAP as things are changing in the country for the worse because of it. I'm not saying its not needed but it's not sustainable for much longer.
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I agree, we really need to start resuming normal lift slowly.
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 5 minutes ago
Sorry but fack Spurs in terms of what this means. If it means we don't get European football then frankly I couldn't give a shet. There is no possible scenario that comes out of this fairly except the season restarts ay some point WITH fans in the stadium. It one other scenario is fair. Therefore, if they are going to cancel the season then only anything already mathematically confirmed should stand. I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
Its a mess. I just seriously hope this lock down ends ASAP as things are changing in the country for the worse because of it. I'm not saying its not needed but it's not sustainable for much longer.
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As a supporter I want whats best for my club so the fack Spurs attitude doesn't cut it for me.
However that doesn't prevent me from having a reasonable opinion on what should and shouldn't happen. I really hope that football behind closed doors doesn't occur as I think it will be worse than having none and it favours clubs who have more away games left when the season is taken as a whole.
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 5 minutes ago
Sorry but fack Spurs in terms of what this means. If it means we don't get European football then frankly I couldn't give a shet. There is no possible scenario that comes out of this fairly except the season restarts ay some point WITH fans in the stadium. It one other scenario is fair. Therefore, if they are going to cancel the season then only anything already mathematically confirmed should stand. I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
Its a mess. I just seriously hope this lock down ends ASAP as things are changing in the country for the worse because of it. I'm not saying its not needed but it's not sustainable for much longer.
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As a supporter I want whats best for my club so the fack Spurs attitude doesn't cut it for me.
However that doesn't prevent me from having a reasonable opinion on what should and shouldn't happen. I really hope that football behind closed doors doesn't occur as I think it will be worse than having none and it favours clubs who have more away games left when the season is taken as a whole.
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It still leaves teams' achievements in their own hands though.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 13 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
The season will be voided. May as well just do it now. Coronavirus is going to be with us for the rest of the year. Why are so many adamant the season will finish. It won't.
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If this is going to be with us for the rest of the year then suspend the league and resume next January. Play the remaining games between Jan and May. Euros in the summer.
Unless you reckon next season will be started in January?
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And what about contracts, transfers, revenue clubs rely on like filling stadiums and TV deals?
Not to mention that restarting a season after 9 months is a ridiculous idea anyway.
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 24 minutes ago
Sorry but fack Spurs in terms of what this means. If it means we don't get European football then frankly I couldn't give a shet. There is no possible scenario that comes out of this fairly except the season restarts ay some point WITH fans in the stadium. It one other scenario is fair. Therefore, if they are going to cancel the season then only anything already mathematically confirmed should stand. I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
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Hi Bake em. Nice to see you've finally made up your mind. I'm surprised by these views, I really am.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 13 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
The season will be voided. May as well just do it now. Coronavirus is going to be with us for the rest of the year. Why are so many adamant the season will finish. It won't.
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If this is going to be with us for the rest of the year then suspend the league and resume next January. Play the remaining games between Jan and May. Euros in the summer.
Unless you reckon next season will be started in January?
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And what about contracts, transfers, revenue clubs rely on like filling stadiums and TV deals?
Not to mention that restarting a season after 9 months is a ridiculous idea anyway.
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It might sound ridiculous but it's less ridiculous than some of the other ideas out there.
For me the most fair way is finishing the season. It’s not ideal, but if it’s behind closed doors then so be it. Stopping the season and not having promotion, relegation etc is unjust and extremely unfair. Giving the final standings as it stands as the final placing for European football is unjust and unfair. You finish the season as planned.
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
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Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 14 seconds ago
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
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Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
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Exactly
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 22 minutes ago
For me the most fair way is finishing the season. It’s not ideal, but if it’s behind closed doors then so be it. Stopping the season and not having promotion, relegation etc is unjust and extremely unfair. Giving the final standings as it stands as the final placing for European football is unjust and unfair. You finish the season as planned.
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Restarting the season under these circumstances, in empty stadiums or otherwise, is also extremely `unjust and unfair`, far more clubs will suffer unfairly by doing this.
Following the Dutch course of action minimizes the number of clubs that will feel `cheated`. Unfortunately the money men will be pushing for a behind closed doors end to this compromised season, which will be both unfair and not in accordance of the rules set out.
You can not `finish the season as planned` because the rules have been changed part way through, how can the season retain any integrity under these circumstances.
Cancelling next seasons European competitions solves a lot of problems, but again money means common sense goes out of the window.
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 22 minutes ago
For me the most fair way is finishing the season. It’s not ideal, but if it’s behind closed doors then so be it. Stopping the season and not having promotion, relegation etc is unjust and extremely unfair. Giving the final standings as it stands as the final placing for European football is unjust and unfair. You finish the season as planned.
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Restarting the season under these circumstances, in empty stadiums or otherwise, is also extremely `unjust and unfair`, far more clubs will suffer unfairly by doing this.
Following the Dutch course of action minimizes the number of clubs that will feel `cheated`. Unfortunately the money men will be pushing for a behind closed doors end to this compromised season, which will be both unfair and not in accordance of the rules set out.
You can not `finish the season as planned` because the rules have been changed part way through, how can the season retain any integrity under these circumstances.
Cancelling next seasons European competitions solves a lot of problems, but again money means common sense goes out of the window.
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Nah
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 22 minutes ago
For me the most fair way is finishing the season. It’s not ideal, but if it’s behind closed doors then so be it. Stopping the season and not having promotion, relegation etc is unjust and extremely unfair. Giving the final standings as it stands as the final placing for European football is unjust and unfair. You finish the season as planned.
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Restarting the season under these circumstances, in empty stadiums or otherwise, is also extremely `unjust and unfair`, far more clubs will suffer unfairly by doing this.
Following the Dutch course of action minimizes the number of clubs that will feel `cheated`. Unfortunately the money men will be pushing for a behind closed doors end to this compromised season, which will be both unfair and not in accordance of the rules set out.
You can not `finish the season as planned` because the rules have been changed part way through, how can the season retain any integrity under these circumstances.
Cancelling next seasons European competitions solves a lot of problems, but again money means common sense goes out of the window.
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What rules have been changed Bitter Bill?
Lots of contradictory statements here.
Some want the season cancelled, so we can save next season. Some don't want games behind closed doors so feel writing this year is the only way to go.
The government have said until a vaccine is readily available, or medication to reduce the fatality rate drastically, we will have social distancing until Xmas.
That means next season will be under threat anyway. That means if it did start next year would have to also have games behind closed doors.
Football hasn't just started being about money. It's the reason big teams dont take the domestic cups as seriously as the competitions that yield a higher return.
Football will resume behind closed doors, after players and skeleton staff complete a quarantine, and tbh I'm sure next season will start much the same way.
Scrapping this season doesn't achieve much as next season will be much the same. If millionaires can't complete a quarantine and clubs can't test their players then we have no contingency, and this year and next are doomed. Most teams will follow suit. Football will die as we know it.
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 22 minutes ago
For me the most fair way is finishing the season. It’s not ideal, but if it’s behind closed doors then so be it. Stopping the season and not having promotion, relegation etc is unjust and extremely unfair. Giving the final standings as it stands as the final placing for European football is unjust and unfair. You finish the season as planned.
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Restarting the season under these circumstances, in empty stadiums or otherwise, is also extremely `unjust and unfair`, far more clubs will suffer unfairly by doing this.
Following the Dutch course of action minimizes the number of clubs that will feel `cheated`. Unfortunately the money men will be pushing for a behind closed doors end to this compromised season, which will be both unfair and not in accordance of the rules set out.
You can not `finish the season as planned` because the rules have been changed part way through, how can the season retain any integrity under these circumstances.
Cancelling next seasons European competitions solves a lot of problems, but again money means common sense goes out of the window.
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You cannot even compare what is right for the Dutch league with the PL. It's crazy.
Most of the teams in the Dutch league earn little TV money anyway, and have much lower costs. Far easier to subsidise in these situations. If the PL just shuts up shop the money ramifications could mean the end of lots of clubs.
The Dutch also openly endorsed a herd mentality 'smart lockdown' where people could do pretty much what they wanted. It's been openly criticised globally but the Dutch are entitled to do as they chose. My point is they haven't had a lockdown as vigilant as ours. You cannot assume what is right for them is right for you without seeing the bigger picture.
TV money means a safe contingency plan would suit all Pl teams, as even in empty grounds the TV money is essential.
Players will have strict rules to avoid and prevent exposure. Clubs will be keen to ensure their assets aren't in danger just like any other business.
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 9 minutes ago
Lots of contradictory statements here.
Some want the season cancelled, so we can save next season. Some don't want games behind closed doors so feel writing this year is the only way to go.
The government have said until a vaccine is readily available, or medication to reduce the fatality rate drastically, we will have social distancing until Xmas.
That means next season will be under threat anyway. That means if it did start next year would have to also have games behind closed doors.
Football hasn't just started being about money. It's the reason big teams dont take the domestic cups as seriously as the competitions that yield a higher return.
Football will resume behind closed doors, after players and skeleton staff complete a quarantine, and tbh I'm sure next season will start much the same way.
Scrapping this season doesn't achieve much as next season will be much the same. If millionaires can't complete a quarantine and clubs can't test their players then we have no contingency, and this year and next are doomed. Most teams will follow suit. Football will die as we know it.
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Exactly
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 22 minutes ago
For me the most fair way is finishing the season. It’s not ideal, but if it’s behind closed doors then so be it. Stopping the season and not having promotion, relegation etc is unjust and extremely unfair. Giving the final standings as it stands as the final placing for European football is unjust and unfair. You finish the season as planned.
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Restarting the season under these circumstances, in empty stadiums or otherwise, is also extremely `unjust and unfair`, far more clubs will suffer unfairly by doing this.
Following the Dutch course of action minimizes the number of clubs that will feel `cheated`. Unfortunately the money men will be pushing for a behind closed doors end to this compromised season, which will be both unfair and not in accordance of the rules set out.
You can not `finish the season as planned` because the rules have been changed part way through, how can the season retain any integrity under these circumstances.
Cancelling next seasons European competitions solves a lot of problems, but again money means common sense goes out of the window.
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So what rules suggest just voiding a season midway ? Why is it rules when it suits you’re agenda, but not rules when it doesn’t ? It’s more fair to complete the season, end of story mate.
Billy, we all know the reason why you want the season finished. Just admit you want to laugh at Liverpool. No shame in admitting the hate you have for Liverpool and voiding the season would see them losing the title, giving you some sort of satisfaction. I know this, you know this and everyone on Ja606 knows this.
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
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Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
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Absolutely no way they can take final positions, in any of the leagues as final. I suspect they will eventually just go down the Dutch Route, and void all the leagues. It will upset say 5 per cent of football, but the other 95 per cent would go along with it, just to get an ending.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
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Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
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Absolutely no way they can take final positions, in any of the leagues as final. I suspect they will eventually just go down the Dutch Route, and void all the leagues. It will upset say 5 per cent of football, but the other 95 per cent would go along with it, just to get an ending.
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Could also go down the Belgian route.
I think the voiding of the Dutch league is a much bigger deal than some on here are prepared to accept.
Theres a pompous "oh well they can do it in Holland but they'd never get away with it in the Prem" attitude. This is a league that has given us 3 different European Cup/Cl winners so lets show a bit of respect.
If they can do it so as to allow next season every opportunity to start on time then so can we.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
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Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
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Absolutely no way they can take final positions, in any of the leagues as final. I suspect they will eventually just go down the Dutch Route, and void all the leagues. It will upset say 5 per cent of football, but the other 95 per cent would go along with it, just to get an ending.
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This just shows how little you understand about modern football.
Dutch TV money is not even comparable. Dutch club costs are not comparable. The Dutch barely had a lockdown. In a country that's openly adopted a herd mentality approach they haven't shut it down to save life's. It's cos it's cost effective.
The Pl will resume for the opposite reason. It's not cost effective to cancel it and clubs will struggle to survive.
It can be done safely and cancelling it doesn't safe guard next year anyway. There will be no crowds at games until at least next year, at the earliest. If we copy the Dutch that'd mean most clubs fold.
You're trying to say most fans would support the Pl and UK football folding and you don't even realise it 😅
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think the voiding of the Dutch league is a much bigger deal than some on here are prepared to accept.
Theres a pompous "oh well they can do it in Holland but they'd never get away with it in the Prem" attitude. This is a league that has given us 3 different European Cup/Cl winners so lets show a bit of respect.
If they can do it so as to allow next season every opportunity to start on time then so can we.
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Their government has banned sport until September. Our government are trying to get sport back up and running in a safe manner within weeks. Completely different.
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
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Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
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Absolutely no way they can take final positions, in any of the leagues as final. I suspect they will eventually just go down the Dutch Route, and void all the leagues. It will upset say 5 per cent of football, but the other 95 per cent would go along with it, just to get an ending.
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This just shows how little you understand about modern football.
Dutch TV money is not even comparable. Dutch club costs are not comparable. The Dutch barely had a lockdown. In a country that's openly adopted a herd mentality approach they haven't shut it down to save life's. It's cos it's cost effective.
The Pl will resume for the opposite reason. It's not cost effective to cancel it and clubs will struggle to survive.
It can be done safely and cancelling it doesn't safe guard next year anyway. There will be no crowds at games until at least next year, at the earliest. If we copy the Dutch that'd mean most clubs fold.
You're trying to say most fans would support the Pl and UK football folding and you don't even realise it 😅
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The money thing is such a lame argument.
Most teams in the top 4 tiers of English footie will be far more worried about preserving next season (23 home games for most) than playing this seasons handful of remaining games. Especially if theres no crowd.
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
——————
Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
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Absolutely no way they can take final positions, in any of the leagues as final. I suspect they will eventually just go down the Dutch Route, and void all the leagues. It will upset say 5 per cent of football, but the other 95 per cent would go along with it, just to get an ending.
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This just shows how little you understand about modern football.
Dutch TV money is not even comparable. Dutch club costs are not comparable. The Dutch barely had a lockdown. In a country that's openly adopted a herd mentality approach they haven't shut it down to save life's. It's cos it's cost effective.
The Pl will resume for the opposite reason. It's not cost effective to cancel it and clubs will struggle to survive.
It can be done safely and cancelling it doesn't safe guard next year anyway. There will be no crowds at games until at least next year, at the earliest. If we copy the Dutch that'd mean most clubs fold.
You're trying to say most fans would support the Pl and UK football folding and you don't even realise it 😅
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The money thing is such a lame argument.
Most teams in the top 4 tiers of English footie will be far more worried about preserving next season (23 home games for most) than playing this seasons handful of remaining games. Especially if theres no crowd.
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Well all PL clubs are said to be determined to finish this season.
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posted on 25/4/20
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 7 minutes ago
Sorry but fack Spurs in terms of what this means. If it means we don't get European football then frankly I couldn't give a shet. There is no possible scenario that comes out of this fairly except the season restarts ay some point WITH fans in the stadium. It one other scenario is fair. Therefore, if they are going to cancel the season then only anything already mathematically confirmed should stand. I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
Its a mess. I just seriously hope this lock down ends ASAP as things are changing in the country for the worse because of it. I'm not saying its not needed but it's not sustainable for much longer.
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I agree, we really need to start resuming normal lift slowly.
posted on 25/4/20
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posted on 25/4/20
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 5 minutes ago
Sorry but fack Spurs in terms of what this means. If it means we don't get European football then frankly I couldn't give a shet. There is no possible scenario that comes out of this fairly except the season restarts ay some point WITH fans in the stadium. It one other scenario is fair. Therefore, if they are going to cancel the season then only anything already mathematically confirmed should stand. I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
Its a mess. I just seriously hope this lock down ends ASAP as things are changing in the country for the worse because of it. I'm not saying its not needed but it's not sustainable for much longer.
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As a supporter I want whats best for my club so the fack Spurs attitude doesn't cut it for me.
However that doesn't prevent me from having a reasonable opinion on what should and shouldn't happen. I really hope that football behind closed doors doesn't occur as I think it will be worse than having none and it favours clubs who have more away games left when the season is taken as a whole.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 5 minutes ago
Sorry but fack Spurs in terms of what this means. If it means we don't get European football then frankly I couldn't give a shet. There is no possible scenario that comes out of this fairly except the season restarts ay some point WITH fans in the stadium. It one other scenario is fair. Therefore, if they are going to cancel the season then only anything already mathematically confirmed should stand. I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
Its a mess. I just seriously hope this lock down ends ASAP as things are changing in the country for the worse because of it. I'm not saying its not needed but it's not sustainable for much longer.
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As a supporter I want whats best for my club so the fack Spurs attitude doesn't cut it for me.
However that doesn't prevent me from having a reasonable opinion on what should and shouldn't happen. I really hope that football behind closed doors doesn't occur as I think it will be worse than having none and it favours clubs who have more away games left when the season is taken as a whole.
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It still leaves teams' achievements in their own hands though.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 13 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
The season will be voided. May as well just do it now. Coronavirus is going to be with us for the rest of the year. Why are so many adamant the season will finish. It won't.
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If this is going to be with us for the rest of the year then suspend the league and resume next January. Play the remaining games between Jan and May. Euros in the summer.
Unless you reckon next season will be started in January?
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And what about contracts, transfers, revenue clubs rely on like filling stadiums and TV deals?
Not to mention that restarting a season after 9 months is a ridiculous idea anyway.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 24 minutes ago
Sorry but fack Spurs in terms of what this means. If it means we don't get European football then frankly I couldn't give a shet. There is no possible scenario that comes out of this fairly except the season restarts ay some point WITH fans in the stadium. It one other scenario is fair. Therefore, if they are going to cancel the season then only anything already mathematically confirmed should stand. I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
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Hi Bake em. Nice to see you've finally made up your mind. I'm surprised by these views, I really am.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 13 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
The season will be voided. May as well just do it now. Coronavirus is going to be with us for the rest of the year. Why are so many adamant the season will finish. It won't.
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If this is going to be with us for the rest of the year then suspend the league and resume next January. Play the remaining games between Jan and May. Euros in the summer.
Unless you reckon next season will be started in January?
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And what about contracts, transfers, revenue clubs rely on like filling stadiums and TV deals?
Not to mention that restarting a season after 9 months is a ridiculous idea anyway.
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It might sound ridiculous but it's less ridiculous than some of the other ideas out there.
posted on 25/4/20
For me the most fair way is finishing the season. It’s not ideal, but if it’s behind closed doors then so be it. Stopping the season and not having promotion, relegation etc is unjust and extremely unfair. Giving the final standings as it stands as the final placing for European football is unjust and unfair. You finish the season as planned.
posted on 25/4/20
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
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Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 14 seconds ago
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
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Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
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Exactly
posted on 25/4/20
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 22 minutes ago
For me the most fair way is finishing the season. It’s not ideal, but if it’s behind closed doors then so be it. Stopping the season and not having promotion, relegation etc is unjust and extremely unfair. Giving the final standings as it stands as the final placing for European football is unjust and unfair. You finish the season as planned.
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Restarting the season under these circumstances, in empty stadiums or otherwise, is also extremely `unjust and unfair`, far more clubs will suffer unfairly by doing this.
Following the Dutch course of action minimizes the number of clubs that will feel `cheated`. Unfortunately the money men will be pushing for a behind closed doors end to this compromised season, which will be both unfair and not in accordance of the rules set out.
You can not `finish the season as planned` because the rules have been changed part way through, how can the season retain any integrity under these circumstances.
Cancelling next seasons European competitions solves a lot of problems, but again money means common sense goes out of the window.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 22 minutes ago
For me the most fair way is finishing the season. It’s not ideal, but if it’s behind closed doors then so be it. Stopping the season and not having promotion, relegation etc is unjust and extremely unfair. Giving the final standings as it stands as the final placing for European football is unjust and unfair. You finish the season as planned.
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Restarting the season under these circumstances, in empty stadiums or otherwise, is also extremely `unjust and unfair`, far more clubs will suffer unfairly by doing this.
Following the Dutch course of action minimizes the number of clubs that will feel `cheated`. Unfortunately the money men will be pushing for a behind closed doors end to this compromised season, which will be both unfair and not in accordance of the rules set out.
You can not `finish the season as planned` because the rules have been changed part way through, how can the season retain any integrity under these circumstances.
Cancelling next seasons European competitions solves a lot of problems, but again money means common sense goes out of the window.
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Nah
posted on 25/4/20
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 22 minutes ago
For me the most fair way is finishing the season. It’s not ideal, but if it’s behind closed doors then so be it. Stopping the season and not having promotion, relegation etc is unjust and extremely unfair. Giving the final standings as it stands as the final placing for European football is unjust and unfair. You finish the season as planned.
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Restarting the season under these circumstances, in empty stadiums or otherwise, is also extremely `unjust and unfair`, far more clubs will suffer unfairly by doing this.
Following the Dutch course of action minimizes the number of clubs that will feel `cheated`. Unfortunately the money men will be pushing for a behind closed doors end to this compromised season, which will be both unfair and not in accordance of the rules set out.
You can not `finish the season as planned` because the rules have been changed part way through, how can the season retain any integrity under these circumstances.
Cancelling next seasons European competitions solves a lot of problems, but again money means common sense goes out of the window.
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What rules have been changed Bitter Bill?
posted on 25/4/20
Lots of contradictory statements here.
Some want the season cancelled, so we can save next season. Some don't want games behind closed doors so feel writing this year is the only way to go.
The government have said until a vaccine is readily available, or medication to reduce the fatality rate drastically, we will have social distancing until Xmas.
That means next season will be under threat anyway. That means if it did start next year would have to also have games behind closed doors.
Football hasn't just started being about money. It's the reason big teams dont take the domestic cups as seriously as the competitions that yield a higher return.
Football will resume behind closed doors, after players and skeleton staff complete a quarantine, and tbh I'm sure next season will start much the same way.
Scrapping this season doesn't achieve much as next season will be much the same. If millionaires can't complete a quarantine and clubs can't test their players then we have no contingency, and this year and next are doomed. Most teams will follow suit. Football will die as we know it.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 22 minutes ago
For me the most fair way is finishing the season. It’s not ideal, but if it’s behind closed doors then so be it. Stopping the season and not having promotion, relegation etc is unjust and extremely unfair. Giving the final standings as it stands as the final placing for European football is unjust and unfair. You finish the season as planned.
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Restarting the season under these circumstances, in empty stadiums or otherwise, is also extremely `unjust and unfair`, far more clubs will suffer unfairly by doing this.
Following the Dutch course of action minimizes the number of clubs that will feel `cheated`. Unfortunately the money men will be pushing for a behind closed doors end to this compromised season, which will be both unfair and not in accordance of the rules set out.
You can not `finish the season as planned` because the rules have been changed part way through, how can the season retain any integrity under these circumstances.
Cancelling next seasons European competitions solves a lot of problems, but again money means common sense goes out of the window.
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You cannot even compare what is right for the Dutch league with the PL. It's crazy.
Most of the teams in the Dutch league earn little TV money anyway, and have much lower costs. Far easier to subsidise in these situations. If the PL just shuts up shop the money ramifications could mean the end of lots of clubs.
The Dutch also openly endorsed a herd mentality 'smart lockdown' where people could do pretty much what they wanted. It's been openly criticised globally but the Dutch are entitled to do as they chose. My point is they haven't had a lockdown as vigilant as ours. You cannot assume what is right for them is right for you without seeing the bigger picture.
TV money means a safe contingency plan would suit all Pl teams, as even in empty grounds the TV money is essential.
Players will have strict rules to avoid and prevent exposure. Clubs will be keen to ensure their assets aren't in danger just like any other business.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 9 minutes ago
Lots of contradictory statements here.
Some want the season cancelled, so we can save next season. Some don't want games behind closed doors so feel writing this year is the only way to go.
The government have said until a vaccine is readily available, or medication to reduce the fatality rate drastically, we will have social distancing until Xmas.
That means next season will be under threat anyway. That means if it did start next year would have to also have games behind closed doors.
Football hasn't just started being about money. It's the reason big teams dont take the domestic cups as seriously as the competitions that yield a higher return.
Football will resume behind closed doors, after players and skeleton staff complete a quarantine, and tbh I'm sure next season will start much the same way.
Scrapping this season doesn't achieve much as next season will be much the same. If millionaires can't complete a quarantine and clubs can't test their players then we have no contingency, and this year and next are doomed. Most teams will follow suit. Football will die as we know it.
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Exactly
posted on 25/4/20
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 22 minutes ago
For me the most fair way is finishing the season. It’s not ideal, but if it’s behind closed doors then so be it. Stopping the season and not having promotion, relegation etc is unjust and extremely unfair. Giving the final standings as it stands as the final placing for European football is unjust and unfair. You finish the season as planned.
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Restarting the season under these circumstances, in empty stadiums or otherwise, is also extremely `unjust and unfair`, far more clubs will suffer unfairly by doing this.
Following the Dutch course of action minimizes the number of clubs that will feel `cheated`. Unfortunately the money men will be pushing for a behind closed doors end to this compromised season, which will be both unfair and not in accordance of the rules set out.
You can not `finish the season as planned` because the rules have been changed part way through, how can the season retain any integrity under these circumstances.
Cancelling next seasons European competitions solves a lot of problems, but again money means common sense goes out of the window.
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So what rules suggest just voiding a season midway ? Why is it rules when it suits you’re agenda, but not rules when it doesn’t ? It’s more fair to complete the season, end of story mate.
posted on 25/4/20
Billy, we all know the reason why you want the season finished. Just admit you want to laugh at Liverpool. No shame in admitting the hate you have for Liverpool and voiding the season would see them losing the title, giving you some sort of satisfaction. I know this, you know this and everyone on Ja606 knows this.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
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Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
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Absolutely no way they can take final positions, in any of the leagues as final. I suspect they will eventually just go down the Dutch Route, and void all the leagues. It will upset say 5 per cent of football, but the other 95 per cent would go along with it, just to get an ending.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
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Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
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Absolutely no way they can take final positions, in any of the leagues as final. I suspect they will eventually just go down the Dutch Route, and void all the leagues. It will upset say 5 per cent of football, but the other 95 per cent would go along with it, just to get an ending.
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Could also go down the Belgian route.
posted on 25/4/20
I think the voiding of the Dutch league is a much bigger deal than some on here are prepared to accept.
Theres a pompous "oh well they can do it in Holland but they'd never get away with it in the Prem" attitude. This is a league that has given us 3 different European Cup/Cl winners so lets show a bit of respect.
If they can do it so as to allow next season every opportunity to start on time then so can we.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
——————
Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
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Absolutely no way they can take final positions, in any of the leagues as final. I suspect they will eventually just go down the Dutch Route, and void all the leagues. It will upset say 5 per cent of football, but the other 95 per cent would go along with it, just to get an ending.
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This just shows how little you understand about modern football.
Dutch TV money is not even comparable. Dutch club costs are not comparable. The Dutch barely had a lockdown. In a country that's openly adopted a herd mentality approach they haven't shut it down to save life's. It's cos it's cost effective.
The Pl will resume for the opposite reason. It's not cost effective to cancel it and clubs will struggle to survive.
It can be done safely and cancelling it doesn't safe guard next year anyway. There will be no crowds at games until at least next year, at the earliest. If we copy the Dutch that'd mean most clubs fold.
You're trying to say most fans would support the Pl and UK football folding and you don't even realise it 😅
posted on 25/4/20
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think the voiding of the Dutch league is a much bigger deal than some on here are prepared to accept.
Theres a pompous "oh well they can do it in Holland but they'd never get away with it in the Prem" attitude. This is a league that has given us 3 different European Cup/Cl winners so lets show a bit of respect.
If they can do it so as to allow next season every opportunity to start on time then so can we.
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Their government has banned sport until September. Our government are trying to get sport back up and running in a safe manner within weeks. Completely different.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
——————
Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
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Absolutely no way they can take final positions, in any of the leagues as final. I suspect they will eventually just go down the Dutch Route, and void all the leagues. It will upset say 5 per cent of football, but the other 95 per cent would go along with it, just to get an ending.
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This just shows how little you understand about modern football.
Dutch TV money is not even comparable. Dutch club costs are not comparable. The Dutch barely had a lockdown. In a country that's openly adopted a herd mentality approach they haven't shut it down to save life's. It's cos it's cost effective.
The Pl will resume for the opposite reason. It's not cost effective to cancel it and clubs will struggle to survive.
It can be done safely and cancelling it doesn't safe guard next year anyway. There will be no crowds at games until at least next year, at the earliest. If we copy the Dutch that'd mean most clubs fold.
You're trying to say most fans would support the Pl and UK football folding and you don't even realise it 😅
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The money thing is such a lame argument.
Most teams in the top 4 tiers of English footie will be far more worried about preserving next season (23 home games for most) than playing this seasons handful of remaining games. Especially if theres no crowd.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
——————
Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
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Absolutely no way they can take final positions, in any of the leagues as final. I suspect they will eventually just go down the Dutch Route, and void all the leagues. It will upset say 5 per cent of football, but the other 95 per cent would go along with it, just to get an ending.
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This just shows how little you understand about modern football.
Dutch TV money is not even comparable. Dutch club costs are not comparable. The Dutch barely had a lockdown. In a country that's openly adopted a herd mentality approach they haven't shut it down to save life's. It's cos it's cost effective.
The Pl will resume for the opposite reason. It's not cost effective to cancel it and clubs will struggle to survive.
It can be done safely and cancelling it doesn't safe guard next year anyway. There will be no crowds at games until at least next year, at the earliest. If we copy the Dutch that'd mean most clubs fold.
You're trying to say most fans would support the Pl and UK football folding and you don't even realise it 😅
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The money thing is such a lame argument.
Most teams in the top 4 tiers of English footie will be far more worried about preserving next season (23 home games for most) than playing this seasons handful of remaining games. Especially if theres no crowd.
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Well all PL clubs are said to be determined to finish this season.
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