comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
——————
Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely no way they can take final positions, in any of the leagues as final. I suspect they will eventually just go down the Dutch Route, and void all the leagues. It will upset say 5 per cent of football, but the other 95 per cent would go along with it, just to get an ending.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This just shows how little you understand about modern football.
Dutch TV money is not even comparable. Dutch club costs are not comparable. The Dutch barely had a lockdown. In a country that's openly adopted a herd mentality approach they haven't shut it down to save life's. It's cos it's cost effective.
The Pl will resume for the opposite reason. It's not cost effective to cancel it and clubs will struggle to survive.
It can be done safely and cancelling it doesn't safe guard next year anyway. There will be no crowds at games until at least next year, at the earliest. If we copy the Dutch that'd mean most clubs fold.
You're trying to say most fans would support the Pl and UK football folding and you don't even realise it 😅
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The money thing is such a lame argument.
Most teams in the top 4 tiers of English footie will be far more worried about preserving next season (23 home games for most) than playing this seasons handful of remaining games. Especially if theres no crowd.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well all PL clubs are said to be determined to finish this season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course they are. Nobody wants the season cancelled apart from the odd ones with agendas. The season will resume
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
——————
Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely no way they can take final positions, in any of the leagues as final. I suspect they will eventually just go down the Dutch Route, and void all the leagues. It will upset say 5 per cent of football, but the other 95 per cent would go along with it, just to get an ending.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This just shows how little you understand about modern football.
Dutch TV money is not even comparable. Dutch club costs are not comparable. The Dutch barely had a lockdown. In a country that's openly adopted a herd mentality approach they haven't shut it down to save life's. It's cos it's cost effective.
The Pl will resume for the opposite reason. It's not cost effective to cancel it and clubs will struggle to survive.
It can be done safely and cancelling it doesn't safe guard next year anyway. There will be no crowds at games until at least next year, at the earliest. If we copy the Dutch that'd mean most clubs fold.
You're trying to say most fans would support the Pl and UK football folding and you don't even realise it 😅
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The money thing is such a lame argument.
Most teams in the top 4 tiers of English footie will be far more worried about preserving next season (23 home games for most) than playing this seasons handful of remaining games. Especially if theres no crowd.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well all PL clubs are said to be determined to finish this season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I said I was determined to win the lottery this month but its looking unlikely.
Like my dear old mother used to say "talk is cheap shut up and dance"!
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
——————
Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely no way they can take final positions, in any of the leagues as final. I suspect they will eventually just go down the Dutch Route, and void all the leagues. It will upset say 5 per cent of football, but the other 95 per cent would go along with it, just to get an ending.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This just shows how little you understand about modern football.
Dutch TV money is not even comparable. Dutch club costs are not comparable. The Dutch barely had a lockdown. In a country that's openly adopted a herd mentality approach they haven't shut it down to save life's. It's cos it's cost effective.
The Pl will resume for the opposite reason. It's not cost effective to cancel it and clubs will struggle to survive.
It can be done safely and cancelling it doesn't safe guard next year anyway. There will be no crowds at games until at least next year, at the earliest. If we copy the Dutch that'd mean most clubs fold.
You're trying to say most fans would support the Pl and UK football folding and you don't even realise it 😅
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The money thing is such a lame argument.
Most teams in the top 4 tiers of English footie will be far more worried about preserving next season (23 home games for most) than playing this seasons handful of remaining games. Especially if theres no crowd.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well all PL clubs are said to be determined to finish this season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I said I was determined to win the lottery this month but its looking unlikely.
Like my dear old mother used to say "talk is cheap shut up and dance"!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My point is it appears they are not far more worried about preserving next season, which is what you suggested.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
——————
Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely no way they can take final positions, in any of the leagues as final. I suspect they will eventually just go down the Dutch Route, and void all the leagues. It will upset say 5 per cent of football, but the other 95 per cent would go along with it, just to get an ending.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This just shows how little you understand about modern football.
Dutch TV money is not even comparable. Dutch club costs are not comparable. The Dutch barely had a lockdown. In a country that's openly adopted a herd mentality approach they haven't shut it down to save life's. It's cos it's cost effective.
The Pl will resume for the opposite reason. It's not cost effective to cancel it and clubs will struggle to survive.
It can be done safely and cancelling it doesn't safe guard next year anyway. There will be no crowds at games until at least next year, at the earliest. If we copy the Dutch that'd mean most clubs fold.
You're trying to say most fans would support the Pl and UK football folding and you don't even realise it 😅
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The money thing is such a lame argument.
Most teams in the top 4 tiers of English footie will be far more worried about preserving next season (23 home games for most) than playing this seasons handful of remaining games. Especially if theres no crowd.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well all PL clubs are said to be determined to finish this season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course they are. Nobody wants the season cancelled apart from the odd ones with agendas. The season will resume
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They better get their testing heads on because they will have to synchronize all 4 divs.
Theres no point in finishing the Prem but not the Championship.
comment by Doggie Dog© (U22357)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 24 minutes ago
Sorry but fack Spurs in terms of what this means. If it means we don't get European football then frankly I couldn't give a shet. There is no possible scenario that comes out of this fairly except the season restarts ay some point WITH fans in the stadium. It one other scenario is fair. Therefore, if they are going to cancel the season then only anything already mathematically confirmed should stand. I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
-----
Hi Bake em. Nice to see you've finally made up your mind. I'm surprised by these views, I really am.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Morning. I'm not going to go back over our previous debates. I have maintained the whole time there is no ideal scenario. I have also maintained that the season being voided as definitely on the table. The only fair choice is that it's finished with fans is the stadium. If that can't happen then no possible outcome is fair.
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 5 minutes ago
Sorry but fack Spurs in terms of what this means. If it means we don't get European football then frankly I couldn't give a shet. There is no possible scenario that comes out of this fairly except the season restarts ay some point WITH fans in the stadium. It one other scenario is fair. Therefore, if they are going to cancel the season then only anything already mathematically confirmed should stand. I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
Its a mess. I just seriously hope this lock down ends ASAP as things are changing in the country for the worse because of it. I'm not saying its not needed but it's not sustainable for much longer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As a supporter I want whats best for my club so the fack Spurs attitude doesn't cut it for me.
However that doesn't prevent me from having a reasonable opinion on what should and shouldn't happen. I really hope that football behind closed doors doesn't occur as I think it will be worse than having none and it favours clubs who have more away games left when the season is taken as a whole.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I definitely don't share the same opinion RE Spurs in this. I won't shape an opinion based on what's best for Spurs. I usually would but this is just different for me.
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
——————
Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely no way they can take final positions, in any of the leagues as final. I suspect they will eventually just go down the Dutch Route, and void all the leagues. It will upset say 5 per cent of football, but the other 95 per cent would go along with it, just to get an ending.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This just shows how little you understand about modern football.
Dutch TV money is not even comparable. Dutch club costs are not comparable. The Dutch barely had a lockdown. In a country that's openly adopted a herd mentality approach they haven't shut it down to save life's. It's cos it's cost effective.
The Pl will resume for the opposite reason. It's not cost effective to cancel it and clubs will struggle to survive.
It can be done safely and cancelling it doesn't safe guard next year anyway. There will be no crowds at games until at least next year, at the earliest. If we copy the Dutch that'd mean most clubs fold.
You're trying to say most fans would support the Pl and UK football folding and you don't even realise it 😅
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The money thing is such a lame argument.
Most teams in the top 4 tiers of English footie will be far more worried about preserving next season (23 home games for most) than playing this seasons handful of remaining games. Especially if theres no crowd.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well all PL clubs are said to be determined to finish this season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course they are. Nobody wants the season cancelled apart from the odd ones with agendas. The season will resume
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They better get their testing heads on because they will have to synchronize all 4 divs.
Theres no point in finishing the Prem but not the Championship.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good point. I am fully against different leagues having different outcomes. I personally think it should be consistent across all levels, including grass roots.
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
——————
Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely no way they can take final positions, in any of the leagues as final. I suspect they will eventually just go down the Dutch Route, and void all the leagues. It will upset say 5 per cent of football, but the other 95 per cent would go along with it, just to get an ending.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This just shows how little you understand about modern football.
Dutch TV money is not even comparable. Dutch club costs are not comparable. The Dutch barely had a lockdown. In a country that's openly adopted a herd mentality approach they haven't shut it down to save life's. It's cos it's cost effective.
The Pl will resume for the opposite reason. It's not cost effective to cancel it and clubs will struggle to survive.
It can be done safely and cancelling it doesn't safe guard next year anyway. There will be no crowds at games until at least next year, at the earliest. If we copy the Dutch that'd mean most clubs fold.
You're trying to say most fans would support the Pl and UK football folding and you don't even realise it 😅
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The money thing is such a lame argument.
Most teams in the top 4 tiers of English footie will be far more worried about preserving next season (23 home games for most) than playing this seasons handful of remaining games. Especially if theres no crowd.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well all PL clubs are said to be determined to finish this season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I said I was determined to win the lottery this month but its looking unlikely.
Like my dear old mother used to say "talk is cheap shut up and dance"!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My point is it appears they are not far more worried about preserving next season, which is what you suggested.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Only because they still have ambitions to complete this one and play the next.
Once it becomes obvious to all that this can't happen then the 20/21 campaign will become the priority as a whole proper season is more important that 0.25% of a screwed up one.
“Theres no point in finishing the Prem but not the Championship.”
The Championship are voiding the league?
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
“Theres no point in finishing the Prem but not the Championship.”
The Championship are voiding the league?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't know hence my point about all 4 top divs having to be synchronized.
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
——————
Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely no way they can take final positions, in any of the leagues as final. I suspect they will eventually just go down the Dutch Route, and void all the leagues. It will upset say 5 per cent of football, but the other 95 per cent would go along with it, just to get an ending.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This just shows how little you understand about modern football.
Dutch TV money is not even comparable. Dutch club costs are not comparable. The Dutch barely had a lockdown. In a country that's openly adopted a herd mentality approach they haven't shut it down to save life's. It's cos it's cost effective.
The Pl will resume for the opposite reason. It's not cost effective to cancel it and clubs will struggle to survive.
It can be done safely and cancelling it doesn't safe guard next year anyway. There will be no crowds at games until at least next year, at the earliest. If we copy the Dutch that'd mean most clubs fold.
You're trying to say most fans would support the Pl and UK football folding and you don't even realise it 😅
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The money thing is such a lame argument.
Most teams in the top 4 tiers of English footie will be far more worried about preserving next season (23 home games for most) than playing this seasons handful of remaining games. Especially if theres no crowd.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well all PL clubs are said to be determined to finish this season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I said I was determined to win the lottery this month but its looking unlikely.
Like my dear old mother used to say "talk is cheap shut up and dance"!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My point is it appears they are not far more worried about preserving next season, which is what you suggested.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Only because they still have ambitions to complete this one and play the next.
Once it becomes obvious to all that this can't happen then the 20/21 campaign will become the priority as a whole proper season is more important that 0.25% of a screwed up one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well they're still planning for football to return in the coming weeks so that's all we can go by right now.
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 22 minutes ago
For me the most fair way is finishing the season. It’s not ideal, but if it’s behind closed doors then so be it. Stopping the season and not having promotion, relegation etc is unjust and extremely unfair. Giving the final standings as it stands as the final placing for European football is unjust and unfair. You finish the season as planned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Restarting the season under these circumstances, in empty stadiums or otherwise, is also extremely `unjust and unfair`, far more clubs will suffer unfairly by doing this.
Following the Dutch course of action minimizes the number of clubs that will feel `cheated`. Unfortunately the money men will be pushing for a behind closed doors end to this compromised season, which will be both unfair and not in accordance of the rules set out.
You can not `finish the season as planned` because the rules have been changed part way through, how can the season retain any integrity under these circumstances.
Cancelling next seasons European competitions solves a lot of problems, but again money means common sense goes out of the window.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You cannot even compare what is right for the Dutch league with the PL. It's crazy.
Most of the teams in the Dutch league earn little TV money anyway, and have much lower costs. Far easier to subsidise in these situations. If the PL just shuts up shop the money ramifications could mean the end of lots of clubs.
The Dutch also openly endorsed a herd mentality 'smart lockdown' where people could do pretty much what they wanted. It's been openly criticised globally but the Dutch are entitled to do as they chose. My point is they haven't had a lockdown as vigilant as ours. You cannot assume what is right for them is right for you without seeing the bigger picture.
TV money means a safe contingency plan would suit all Pl teams, as even in empty grounds the TV money is essential.
Players will have strict rules to avoid and prevent exposure. Clubs will be keen to ensure their assets aren't in danger just like any other business.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That does not mean it is fair, right and proper. All this solves is the financial aspect, it does not solve the problem of breached integrity, fairness and clubs being treated either favourably or unfavourably.
The Dutch President of Football has come out this morning, and says he doubts leagues across Europe, including the Prem will finish this season.
A domino effect of the leagues shutting down will come over the next month, I suspect.
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 22 minutes ago
For me the most fair way is finishing the season. It’s not ideal, but if it’s behind closed doors then so be it. Stopping the season and not having promotion, relegation etc is unjust and extremely unfair. Giving the final standings as it stands as the final placing for European football is unjust and unfair. You finish the season as planned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Restarting the season under these circumstances, in empty stadiums or otherwise, is also extremely `unjust and unfair`, far more clubs will suffer unfairly by doing this.
Following the Dutch course of action minimizes the number of clubs that will feel `cheated`. Unfortunately the money men will be pushing for a behind closed doors end to this compromised season, which will be both unfair and not in accordance of the rules set out.
You can not `finish the season as planned` because the rules have been changed part way through, how can the season retain any integrity under these circumstances.
Cancelling next seasons European competitions solves a lot of problems, but again money means common sense goes out of the window.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You cannot even compare what is right for the Dutch league with the PL. It's crazy.
Most of the teams in the Dutch league earn little TV money anyway, and have much lower costs. Far easier to subsidise in these situations. If the PL just shuts up shop the money ramifications could mean the end of lots of clubs.
The Dutch also openly endorsed a herd mentality 'smart lockdown' where people could do pretty much what they wanted. It's been openly criticised globally but the Dutch are entitled to do as they chose. My point is they haven't had a lockdown as vigilant as ours. You cannot assume what is right for them is right for you without seeing the bigger picture.
TV money means a safe contingency plan would suit all Pl teams, as even in empty grounds the TV money is essential.
Players will have strict rules to avoid and prevent exposure. Clubs will be keen to ensure their assets aren't in danger just like any other business.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That does not mean it is fair, right and proper. All this solves is the financial aspect, it does not solve the problem of breached integrity, fairness and clubs being treated either favourably or unfavourably.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Voiding is the same, but without resolving the financial aspect.
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 22 minutes ago
For me the most fair way is finishing the season. It’s not ideal, but if it’s behind closed doors then so be it. Stopping the season and not having promotion, relegation etc is unjust and extremely unfair. Giving the final standings as it stands as the final placing for European football is unjust and unfair. You finish the season as planned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Restarting the season under these circumstances, in empty stadiums or otherwise, is also extremely `unjust and unfair`, far more clubs will suffer unfairly by doing this.
Following the Dutch course of action minimizes the number of clubs that will feel `cheated`. Unfortunately the money men will be pushing for a behind closed doors end to this compromised season, which will be both unfair and not in accordance of the rules set out.
You can not `finish the season as planned` because the rules have been changed part way through, how can the season retain any integrity under these circumstances.
Cancelling next seasons European competitions solves a lot of problems, but again money means common sense goes out of the window.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You cannot even compare what is right for the Dutch league with the PL. It's crazy.
Most of the teams in the Dutch league earn little TV money anyway, and have much lower costs. Far easier to subsidise in these situations. If the PL just shuts up shop the money ramifications could mean the end of lots of clubs.
The Dutch also openly endorsed a herd mentality 'smart lockdown' where people could do pretty much what they wanted. It's been openly criticised globally but the Dutch are entitled to do as they chose. My point is they haven't had a lockdown as vigilant as ours. You cannot assume what is right for them is right for you without seeing the bigger picture.
TV money means a safe contingency plan would suit all Pl teams, as even in empty grounds the TV money is essential.
Players will have strict rules to avoid and prevent exposure. Clubs will be keen to ensure their assets aren't in danger just like any other business.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That does not mean it is fair, right and proper. All this solves is the financial aspect, it does not solve the problem of breached integrity, fairness and clubs being treated either favourably or unfavourably.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Squawk!!!!!! Polly wanna a cracker
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 22 minutes ago
For me the most fair way is finishing the season. It’s not ideal, but if it’s behind closed doors then so be it. Stopping the season and not having promotion, relegation etc is unjust and extremely unfair. Giving the final standings as it stands as the final placing for European football is unjust and unfair. You finish the season as planned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Restarting the season under these circumstances, in empty stadiums or otherwise, is also extremely `unjust and unfair`, far more clubs will suffer unfairly by doing this.
Following the Dutch course of action minimizes the number of clubs that will feel `cheated`. Unfortunately the money men will be pushing for a behind closed doors end to this compromised season, which will be both unfair and not in accordance of the rules set out.
You can not `finish the season as planned` because the rules have been changed part way through, how can the season retain any integrity under these circumstances.
Cancelling next seasons European competitions solves a lot of problems, but again money means common sense goes out of the window.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You cannot even compare what is right for the Dutch league with the PL. It's crazy.
Most of the teams in the Dutch league earn little TV money anyway, and have much lower costs. Far easier to subsidise in these situations. If the PL just shuts up shop the money ramifications could mean the end of lots of clubs.
The Dutch also openly endorsed a herd mentality 'smart lockdown' where people could do pretty much what they wanted. It's been openly criticised globally but the Dutch are entitled to do as they chose. My point is they haven't had a lockdown as vigilant as ours. You cannot assume what is right for them is right for you without seeing the bigger picture.
TV money means a safe contingency plan would suit all Pl teams, as even in empty grounds the TV money is essential.
Players will have strict rules to avoid and prevent exposure. Clubs will be keen to ensure their assets aren't in danger just like any other business.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That does not mean it is fair, right and proper. All this solves is the financial aspect, it does not solve the problem of breached integrity, fairness and clubs being treated either favourably or unfavourably.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Voiding is the same, but without resolving the financial aspect.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nope, voiding would be far less right and proper than resuming, far less clubs would be affected in that situation, you should be looking to reduce the clubs negatively affected to an absolute minimum, not the opposite for the sake of appeasing a handful of clubs.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
The Dutch President of Football has come out this morning, and says he doubts leagues across Europe, including the Prem will finish this season.
A domino effect of the leagues shutting down will come over the next month, I suspect.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it seems other countries disagree.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
Billy, we all know the reason why you want the season finished. Just admit you want to laugh at Liverpool. No shame in admitting the hate you have for Liverpool and voiding the season would see them losing the title, giving you some sort of satisfaction. I know this, you know this and everyone on Ja606 knows this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sqwaak!! Polly wanna cracker!!
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 22 minutes ago
For me the most fair way is finishing the season. It’s not ideal, but if it’s behind closed doors then so be it. Stopping the season and not having promotion, relegation etc is unjust and extremely unfair. Giving the final standings as it stands as the final placing for European football is unjust and unfair. You finish the season as planned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Restarting the season under these circumstances, in empty stadiums or otherwise, is also extremely `unjust and unfair`, far more clubs will suffer unfairly by doing this.
Following the Dutch course of action minimizes the number of clubs that will feel `cheated`. Unfortunately the money men will be pushing for a behind closed doors end to this compromised season, which will be both unfair and not in accordance of the rules set out.
You can not `finish the season as planned` because the rules have been changed part way through, how can the season retain any integrity under these circumstances.
Cancelling next seasons European competitions solves a lot of problems, but again money means common sense goes out of the window.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You cannot even compare what is right for the Dutch league with the PL. It's crazy.
Most of the teams in the Dutch league earn little TV money anyway, and have much lower costs. Far easier to subsidise in these situations. If the PL just shuts up shop the money ramifications could mean the end of lots of clubs.
The Dutch also openly endorsed a herd mentality 'smart lockdown' where people could do pretty much what they wanted. It's been openly criticised globally but the Dutch are entitled to do as they chose. My point is they haven't had a lockdown as vigilant as ours. You cannot assume what is right for them is right for you without seeing the bigger picture.
TV money means a safe contingency plan would suit all Pl teams, as even in empty grounds the TV money is essential.
Players will have strict rules to avoid and prevent exposure. Clubs will be keen to ensure their assets aren't in danger just like any other business.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That does not mean it is fair, right and proper. All this solves is the financial aspect, it does not solve the problem of breached integrity, fairness and clubs being treated either favourably or unfavourably.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Squawk!!!!!! Polly wanna a cracker
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're being a bit unfair there Don.
Billys idea of no Cl/Europa next season solves alot of the issues especially as qualifying should start in July.
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
Billy, we all know the reason why you want the season finished. Just admit you want to laugh at Liverpool. No shame in admitting the hate you have for Liverpool and voiding the season would see them losing the title, giving you some sort of satisfaction. I know this, you know this and everyone on Ja606 knows this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sqwaak!! Polly wanna cracker!!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can’t copy my jokes mate, not funny that way. You have mentioned Integrity about a million times. Squawk!!!!!
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
The Dutch President of Football has come out this morning, and says he doubts leagues across Europe, including the Prem will finish this season.
A domino effect of the leagues shutting down will come over the next month, I suspect.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it seems other countries disagree.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They may disagree in public, just to give the impression they want to finish their leagues. Privately though I suspect they know the game is up.
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 22 minutes ago
For me the most fair way is finishing the season. It’s not ideal, but if it’s behind closed doors then so be it. Stopping the season and not having promotion, relegation etc is unjust and extremely unfair. Giving the final standings as it stands as the final placing for European football is unjust and unfair. You finish the season as planned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Restarting the season under these circumstances, in empty stadiums or otherwise, is also extremely `unjust and unfair`, far more clubs will suffer unfairly by doing this.
Following the Dutch course of action minimizes the number of clubs that will feel `cheated`. Unfortunately the money men will be pushing for a behind closed doors end to this compromised season, which will be both unfair and not in accordance of the rules set out.
You can not `finish the season as planned` because the rules have been changed part way through, how can the season retain any integrity under these circumstances.
Cancelling next seasons European competitions solves a lot of problems, but again money means common sense goes out of the window.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You cannot even compare what is right for the Dutch league with the PL. It's crazy.
Most of the teams in the Dutch league earn little TV money anyway, and have much lower costs. Far easier to subsidise in these situations. If the PL just shuts up shop the money ramifications could mean the end of lots of clubs.
The Dutch also openly endorsed a herd mentality 'smart lockdown' where people could do pretty much what they wanted. It's been openly criticised globally but the Dutch are entitled to do as they chose. My point is they haven't had a lockdown as vigilant as ours. You cannot assume what is right for them is right for you without seeing the bigger picture.
TV money means a safe contingency plan would suit all Pl teams, as even in empty grounds the TV money is essential.
Players will have strict rules to avoid and prevent exposure. Clubs will be keen to ensure their assets aren't in danger just like any other business.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That does not mean it is fair, right and proper. All this solves is the financial aspect, it does not solve the problem of breached integrity, fairness and clubs being treated either favourably or unfavourably.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Squawk!!!!!! Polly wanna a cracker
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're being a bit unfair there Don.
Billys idea of no Cl/Europa next season solves alot of the issues especially as qualifying should start in July.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Billy’s idea is for one reason and one reason only mate, it’s because he hates Liverpool. Read between the lines and read what he keeps saying, then look at his posting history.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
The Dutch President of Football has come out this morning, and says he doubts leagues across Europe, including the Prem will finish this season.
A domino effect of the leagues shutting down will come over the next month, I suspect.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it seems other countries disagree.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They may disagree in public, just to give the impression they want to finish their leagues. Privately though I suspect they know the game is up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Some of these Spurs fans are beyond help.
One of them, I think Bawron dude, is still talking about preserving next season. These guys living in a hole or what?
comment by Doggie Dog© (U22357)
posted 34 minutes ago
Some of these Spurs fans are beyond help.
One of them, I think Bawron dude, is still talking about preserving next season. These guys living in a hole or what?
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Agendas dude
Sign in if you want to comment
Ending the season
Page 7 of 18
8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12
posted on 25/4/20
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
——————
Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely no way they can take final positions, in any of the leagues as final. I suspect they will eventually just go down the Dutch Route, and void all the leagues. It will upset say 5 per cent of football, but the other 95 per cent would go along with it, just to get an ending.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This just shows how little you understand about modern football.
Dutch TV money is not even comparable. Dutch club costs are not comparable. The Dutch barely had a lockdown. In a country that's openly adopted a herd mentality approach they haven't shut it down to save life's. It's cos it's cost effective.
The Pl will resume for the opposite reason. It's not cost effective to cancel it and clubs will struggle to survive.
It can be done safely and cancelling it doesn't safe guard next year anyway. There will be no crowds at games until at least next year, at the earliest. If we copy the Dutch that'd mean most clubs fold.
You're trying to say most fans would support the Pl and UK football folding and you don't even realise it 😅
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The money thing is such a lame argument.
Most teams in the top 4 tiers of English footie will be far more worried about preserving next season (23 home games for most) than playing this seasons handful of remaining games. Especially if theres no crowd.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well all PL clubs are said to be determined to finish this season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course they are. Nobody wants the season cancelled apart from the odd ones with agendas. The season will resume
posted on 25/4/20
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
——————
Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely no way they can take final positions, in any of the leagues as final. I suspect they will eventually just go down the Dutch Route, and void all the leagues. It will upset say 5 per cent of football, but the other 95 per cent would go along with it, just to get an ending.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This just shows how little you understand about modern football.
Dutch TV money is not even comparable. Dutch club costs are not comparable. The Dutch barely had a lockdown. In a country that's openly adopted a herd mentality approach they haven't shut it down to save life's. It's cos it's cost effective.
The Pl will resume for the opposite reason. It's not cost effective to cancel it and clubs will struggle to survive.
It can be done safely and cancelling it doesn't safe guard next year anyway. There will be no crowds at games until at least next year, at the earliest. If we copy the Dutch that'd mean most clubs fold.
You're trying to say most fans would support the Pl and UK football folding and you don't even realise it 😅
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The money thing is such a lame argument.
Most teams in the top 4 tiers of English footie will be far more worried about preserving next season (23 home games for most) than playing this seasons handful of remaining games. Especially if theres no crowd.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well all PL clubs are said to be determined to finish this season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I said I was determined to win the lottery this month but its looking unlikely.
Like my dear old mother used to say "talk is cheap shut up and dance"!
posted on 25/4/20
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
——————
Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely no way they can take final positions, in any of the leagues as final. I suspect they will eventually just go down the Dutch Route, and void all the leagues. It will upset say 5 per cent of football, but the other 95 per cent would go along with it, just to get an ending.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This just shows how little you understand about modern football.
Dutch TV money is not even comparable. Dutch club costs are not comparable. The Dutch barely had a lockdown. In a country that's openly adopted a herd mentality approach they haven't shut it down to save life's. It's cos it's cost effective.
The Pl will resume for the opposite reason. It's not cost effective to cancel it and clubs will struggle to survive.
It can be done safely and cancelling it doesn't safe guard next year anyway. There will be no crowds at games until at least next year, at the earliest. If we copy the Dutch that'd mean most clubs fold.
You're trying to say most fans would support the Pl and UK football folding and you don't even realise it 😅
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The money thing is such a lame argument.
Most teams in the top 4 tiers of English footie will be far more worried about preserving next season (23 home games for most) than playing this seasons handful of remaining games. Especially if theres no crowd.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well all PL clubs are said to be determined to finish this season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I said I was determined to win the lottery this month but its looking unlikely.
Like my dear old mother used to say "talk is cheap shut up and dance"!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My point is it appears they are not far more worried about preserving next season, which is what you suggested.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
——————
Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely no way they can take final positions, in any of the leagues as final. I suspect they will eventually just go down the Dutch Route, and void all the leagues. It will upset say 5 per cent of football, but the other 95 per cent would go along with it, just to get an ending.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This just shows how little you understand about modern football.
Dutch TV money is not even comparable. Dutch club costs are not comparable. The Dutch barely had a lockdown. In a country that's openly adopted a herd mentality approach they haven't shut it down to save life's. It's cos it's cost effective.
The Pl will resume for the opposite reason. It's not cost effective to cancel it and clubs will struggle to survive.
It can be done safely and cancelling it doesn't safe guard next year anyway. There will be no crowds at games until at least next year, at the earliest. If we copy the Dutch that'd mean most clubs fold.
You're trying to say most fans would support the Pl and UK football folding and you don't even realise it 😅
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The money thing is such a lame argument.
Most teams in the top 4 tiers of English footie will be far more worried about preserving next season (23 home games for most) than playing this seasons handful of remaining games. Especially if theres no crowd.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well all PL clubs are said to be determined to finish this season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course they are. Nobody wants the season cancelled apart from the odd ones with agendas. The season will resume
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They better get their testing heads on because they will have to synchronize all 4 divs.
Theres no point in finishing the Prem but not the Championship.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by Doggie Dog© (U22357)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 24 minutes ago
Sorry but fack Spurs in terms of what this means. If it means we don't get European football then frankly I couldn't give a shet. There is no possible scenario that comes out of this fairly except the season restarts ay some point WITH fans in the stadium. It one other scenario is fair. Therefore, if they are going to cancel the season then only anything already mathematically confirmed should stand. I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
-----
Hi Bake em. Nice to see you've finally made up your mind. I'm surprised by these views, I really am.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Morning. I'm not going to go back over our previous debates. I have maintained the whole time there is no ideal scenario. I have also maintained that the season being voided as definitely on the table. The only fair choice is that it's finished with fans is the stadium. If that can't happen then no possible outcome is fair.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 5 minutes ago
Sorry but fack Spurs in terms of what this means. If it means we don't get European football then frankly I couldn't give a shet. There is no possible scenario that comes out of this fairly except the season restarts ay some point WITH fans in the stadium. It one other scenario is fair. Therefore, if they are going to cancel the season then only anything already mathematically confirmed should stand. I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
Its a mess. I just seriously hope this lock down ends ASAP as things are changing in the country for the worse because of it. I'm not saying its not needed but it's not sustainable for much longer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As a supporter I want whats best for my club so the fack Spurs attitude doesn't cut it for me.
However that doesn't prevent me from having a reasonable opinion on what should and shouldn't happen. I really hope that football behind closed doors doesn't occur as I think it will be worse than having none and it favours clubs who have more away games left when the season is taken as a whole.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I definitely don't share the same opinion RE Spurs in this. I won't shape an opinion based on what's best for Spurs. I usually would but this is just different for me.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
——————
Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely no way they can take final positions, in any of the leagues as final. I suspect they will eventually just go down the Dutch Route, and void all the leagues. It will upset say 5 per cent of football, but the other 95 per cent would go along with it, just to get an ending.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This just shows how little you understand about modern football.
Dutch TV money is not even comparable. Dutch club costs are not comparable. The Dutch barely had a lockdown. In a country that's openly adopted a herd mentality approach they haven't shut it down to save life's. It's cos it's cost effective.
The Pl will resume for the opposite reason. It's not cost effective to cancel it and clubs will struggle to survive.
It can be done safely and cancelling it doesn't safe guard next year anyway. There will be no crowds at games until at least next year, at the earliest. If we copy the Dutch that'd mean most clubs fold.
You're trying to say most fans would support the Pl and UK football folding and you don't even realise it 😅
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The money thing is such a lame argument.
Most teams in the top 4 tiers of English footie will be far more worried about preserving next season (23 home games for most) than playing this seasons handful of remaining games. Especially if theres no crowd.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well all PL clubs are said to be determined to finish this season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course they are. Nobody wants the season cancelled apart from the odd ones with agendas. The season will resume
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They better get their testing heads on because they will have to synchronize all 4 divs.
Theres no point in finishing the Prem but not the Championship.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good point. I am fully against different leagues having different outcomes. I personally think it should be consistent across all levels, including grass roots.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
——————
Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely no way they can take final positions, in any of the leagues as final. I suspect they will eventually just go down the Dutch Route, and void all the leagues. It will upset say 5 per cent of football, but the other 95 per cent would go along with it, just to get an ending.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This just shows how little you understand about modern football.
Dutch TV money is not even comparable. Dutch club costs are not comparable. The Dutch barely had a lockdown. In a country that's openly adopted a herd mentality approach they haven't shut it down to save life's. It's cos it's cost effective.
The Pl will resume for the opposite reason. It's not cost effective to cancel it and clubs will struggle to survive.
It can be done safely and cancelling it doesn't safe guard next year anyway. There will be no crowds at games until at least next year, at the earliest. If we copy the Dutch that'd mean most clubs fold.
You're trying to say most fans would support the Pl and UK football folding and you don't even realise it 😅
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The money thing is such a lame argument.
Most teams in the top 4 tiers of English footie will be far more worried about preserving next season (23 home games for most) than playing this seasons handful of remaining games. Especially if theres no crowd.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well all PL clubs are said to be determined to finish this season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I said I was determined to win the lottery this month but its looking unlikely.
Like my dear old mother used to say "talk is cheap shut up and dance"!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My point is it appears they are not far more worried about preserving next season, which is what you suggested.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Only because they still have ambitions to complete this one and play the next.
Once it becomes obvious to all that this can't happen then the 20/21 campaign will become the priority as a whole proper season is more important that 0.25% of a screwed up one.
posted on 25/4/20
“Theres no point in finishing the Prem but not the Championship.”
The Championship are voiding the league?
posted on 25/4/20
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
“Theres no point in finishing the Prem but not the Championship.”
The Championship are voiding the league?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't know hence my point about all 4 top divs having to be synchronized.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I don't agree with WBA and Leeds getting promotion just because they were ahead. There were other teams that could have gained automatic promotion and also play off places.
——————
Yeah, Leeds bottled promotion from the same position last year after all, so those teams would be seriously piiiissed if they gave Leeds promotion. Just proves why taking current standings as final is totally unfair.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Absolutely no way they can take final positions, in any of the leagues as final. I suspect they will eventually just go down the Dutch Route, and void all the leagues. It will upset say 5 per cent of football, but the other 95 per cent would go along with it, just to get an ending.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This just shows how little you understand about modern football.
Dutch TV money is not even comparable. Dutch club costs are not comparable. The Dutch barely had a lockdown. In a country that's openly adopted a herd mentality approach they haven't shut it down to save life's. It's cos it's cost effective.
The Pl will resume for the opposite reason. It's not cost effective to cancel it and clubs will struggle to survive.
It can be done safely and cancelling it doesn't safe guard next year anyway. There will be no crowds at games until at least next year, at the earliest. If we copy the Dutch that'd mean most clubs fold.
You're trying to say most fans would support the Pl and UK football folding and you don't even realise it 😅
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The money thing is such a lame argument.
Most teams in the top 4 tiers of English footie will be far more worried about preserving next season (23 home games for most) than playing this seasons handful of remaining games. Especially if theres no crowd.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well all PL clubs are said to be determined to finish this season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I said I was determined to win the lottery this month but its looking unlikely.
Like my dear old mother used to say "talk is cheap shut up and dance"!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My point is it appears they are not far more worried about preserving next season, which is what you suggested.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Only because they still have ambitions to complete this one and play the next.
Once it becomes obvious to all that this can't happen then the 20/21 campaign will become the priority as a whole proper season is more important that 0.25% of a screwed up one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well they're still planning for football to return in the coming weeks so that's all we can go by right now.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 22 minutes ago
For me the most fair way is finishing the season. It’s not ideal, but if it’s behind closed doors then so be it. Stopping the season and not having promotion, relegation etc is unjust and extremely unfair. Giving the final standings as it stands as the final placing for European football is unjust and unfair. You finish the season as planned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Restarting the season under these circumstances, in empty stadiums or otherwise, is also extremely `unjust and unfair`, far more clubs will suffer unfairly by doing this.
Following the Dutch course of action minimizes the number of clubs that will feel `cheated`. Unfortunately the money men will be pushing for a behind closed doors end to this compromised season, which will be both unfair and not in accordance of the rules set out.
You can not `finish the season as planned` because the rules have been changed part way through, how can the season retain any integrity under these circumstances.
Cancelling next seasons European competitions solves a lot of problems, but again money means common sense goes out of the window.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You cannot even compare what is right for the Dutch league with the PL. It's crazy.
Most of the teams in the Dutch league earn little TV money anyway, and have much lower costs. Far easier to subsidise in these situations. If the PL just shuts up shop the money ramifications could mean the end of lots of clubs.
The Dutch also openly endorsed a herd mentality 'smart lockdown' where people could do pretty much what they wanted. It's been openly criticised globally but the Dutch are entitled to do as they chose. My point is they haven't had a lockdown as vigilant as ours. You cannot assume what is right for them is right for you without seeing the bigger picture.
TV money means a safe contingency plan would suit all Pl teams, as even in empty grounds the TV money is essential.
Players will have strict rules to avoid and prevent exposure. Clubs will be keen to ensure their assets aren't in danger just like any other business.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That does not mean it is fair, right and proper. All this solves is the financial aspect, it does not solve the problem of breached integrity, fairness and clubs being treated either favourably or unfavourably.
posted on 25/4/20
The Dutch President of Football has come out this morning, and says he doubts leagues across Europe, including the Prem will finish this season.
A domino effect of the leagues shutting down will come over the next month, I suspect.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 22 minutes ago
For me the most fair way is finishing the season. It’s not ideal, but if it’s behind closed doors then so be it. Stopping the season and not having promotion, relegation etc is unjust and extremely unfair. Giving the final standings as it stands as the final placing for European football is unjust and unfair. You finish the season as planned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Restarting the season under these circumstances, in empty stadiums or otherwise, is also extremely `unjust and unfair`, far more clubs will suffer unfairly by doing this.
Following the Dutch course of action minimizes the number of clubs that will feel `cheated`. Unfortunately the money men will be pushing for a behind closed doors end to this compromised season, which will be both unfair and not in accordance of the rules set out.
You can not `finish the season as planned` because the rules have been changed part way through, how can the season retain any integrity under these circumstances.
Cancelling next seasons European competitions solves a lot of problems, but again money means common sense goes out of the window.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You cannot even compare what is right for the Dutch league with the PL. It's crazy.
Most of the teams in the Dutch league earn little TV money anyway, and have much lower costs. Far easier to subsidise in these situations. If the PL just shuts up shop the money ramifications could mean the end of lots of clubs.
The Dutch also openly endorsed a herd mentality 'smart lockdown' where people could do pretty much what they wanted. It's been openly criticised globally but the Dutch are entitled to do as they chose. My point is they haven't had a lockdown as vigilant as ours. You cannot assume what is right for them is right for you without seeing the bigger picture.
TV money means a safe contingency plan would suit all Pl teams, as even in empty grounds the TV money is essential.
Players will have strict rules to avoid and prevent exposure. Clubs will be keen to ensure their assets aren't in danger just like any other business.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That does not mean it is fair, right and proper. All this solves is the financial aspect, it does not solve the problem of breached integrity, fairness and clubs being treated either favourably or unfavourably.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Voiding is the same, but without resolving the financial aspect.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 22 minutes ago
For me the most fair way is finishing the season. It’s not ideal, but if it’s behind closed doors then so be it. Stopping the season and not having promotion, relegation etc is unjust and extremely unfair. Giving the final standings as it stands as the final placing for European football is unjust and unfair. You finish the season as planned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Restarting the season under these circumstances, in empty stadiums or otherwise, is also extremely `unjust and unfair`, far more clubs will suffer unfairly by doing this.
Following the Dutch course of action minimizes the number of clubs that will feel `cheated`. Unfortunately the money men will be pushing for a behind closed doors end to this compromised season, which will be both unfair and not in accordance of the rules set out.
You can not `finish the season as planned` because the rules have been changed part way through, how can the season retain any integrity under these circumstances.
Cancelling next seasons European competitions solves a lot of problems, but again money means common sense goes out of the window.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You cannot even compare what is right for the Dutch league with the PL. It's crazy.
Most of the teams in the Dutch league earn little TV money anyway, and have much lower costs. Far easier to subsidise in these situations. If the PL just shuts up shop the money ramifications could mean the end of lots of clubs.
The Dutch also openly endorsed a herd mentality 'smart lockdown' where people could do pretty much what they wanted. It's been openly criticised globally but the Dutch are entitled to do as they chose. My point is they haven't had a lockdown as vigilant as ours. You cannot assume what is right for them is right for you without seeing the bigger picture.
TV money means a safe contingency plan would suit all Pl teams, as even in empty grounds the TV money is essential.
Players will have strict rules to avoid and prevent exposure. Clubs will be keen to ensure their assets aren't in danger just like any other business.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That does not mean it is fair, right and proper. All this solves is the financial aspect, it does not solve the problem of breached integrity, fairness and clubs being treated either favourably or unfavourably.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Squawk!!!!!! Polly wanna a cracker
posted on 25/4/20
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 22 minutes ago
For me the most fair way is finishing the season. It’s not ideal, but if it’s behind closed doors then so be it. Stopping the season and not having promotion, relegation etc is unjust and extremely unfair. Giving the final standings as it stands as the final placing for European football is unjust and unfair. You finish the season as planned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Restarting the season under these circumstances, in empty stadiums or otherwise, is also extremely `unjust and unfair`, far more clubs will suffer unfairly by doing this.
Following the Dutch course of action minimizes the number of clubs that will feel `cheated`. Unfortunately the money men will be pushing for a behind closed doors end to this compromised season, which will be both unfair and not in accordance of the rules set out.
You can not `finish the season as planned` because the rules have been changed part way through, how can the season retain any integrity under these circumstances.
Cancelling next seasons European competitions solves a lot of problems, but again money means common sense goes out of the window.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You cannot even compare what is right for the Dutch league with the PL. It's crazy.
Most of the teams in the Dutch league earn little TV money anyway, and have much lower costs. Far easier to subsidise in these situations. If the PL just shuts up shop the money ramifications could mean the end of lots of clubs.
The Dutch also openly endorsed a herd mentality 'smart lockdown' where people could do pretty much what they wanted. It's been openly criticised globally but the Dutch are entitled to do as they chose. My point is they haven't had a lockdown as vigilant as ours. You cannot assume what is right for them is right for you without seeing the bigger picture.
TV money means a safe contingency plan would suit all Pl teams, as even in empty grounds the TV money is essential.
Players will have strict rules to avoid and prevent exposure. Clubs will be keen to ensure their assets aren't in danger just like any other business.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That does not mean it is fair, right and proper. All this solves is the financial aspect, it does not solve the problem of breached integrity, fairness and clubs being treated either favourably or unfavourably.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Voiding is the same, but without resolving the financial aspect.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nope, voiding would be far less right and proper than resuming, far less clubs would be affected in that situation, you should be looking to reduce the clubs negatively affected to an absolute minimum, not the opposite for the sake of appeasing a handful of clubs.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
The Dutch President of Football has come out this morning, and says he doubts leagues across Europe, including the Prem will finish this season.
A domino effect of the leagues shutting down will come over the next month, I suspect.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it seems other countries disagree.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
Billy, we all know the reason why you want the season finished. Just admit you want to laugh at Liverpool. No shame in admitting the hate you have for Liverpool and voiding the season would see them losing the title, giving you some sort of satisfaction. I know this, you know this and everyone on Ja606 knows this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sqwaak!! Polly wanna cracker!!
posted on 25/4/20
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 22 minutes ago
For me the most fair way is finishing the season. It’s not ideal, but if it’s behind closed doors then so be it. Stopping the season and not having promotion, relegation etc is unjust and extremely unfair. Giving the final standings as it stands as the final placing for European football is unjust and unfair. You finish the season as planned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Restarting the season under these circumstances, in empty stadiums or otherwise, is also extremely `unjust and unfair`, far more clubs will suffer unfairly by doing this.
Following the Dutch course of action minimizes the number of clubs that will feel `cheated`. Unfortunately the money men will be pushing for a behind closed doors end to this compromised season, which will be both unfair and not in accordance of the rules set out.
You can not `finish the season as planned` because the rules have been changed part way through, how can the season retain any integrity under these circumstances.
Cancelling next seasons European competitions solves a lot of problems, but again money means common sense goes out of the window.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You cannot even compare what is right for the Dutch league with the PL. It's crazy.
Most of the teams in the Dutch league earn little TV money anyway, and have much lower costs. Far easier to subsidise in these situations. If the PL just shuts up shop the money ramifications could mean the end of lots of clubs.
The Dutch also openly endorsed a herd mentality 'smart lockdown' where people could do pretty much what they wanted. It's been openly criticised globally but the Dutch are entitled to do as they chose. My point is they haven't had a lockdown as vigilant as ours. You cannot assume what is right for them is right for you without seeing the bigger picture.
TV money means a safe contingency plan would suit all Pl teams, as even in empty grounds the TV money is essential.
Players will have strict rules to avoid and prevent exposure. Clubs will be keen to ensure their assets aren't in danger just like any other business.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That does not mean it is fair, right and proper. All this solves is the financial aspect, it does not solve the problem of breached integrity, fairness and clubs being treated either favourably or unfavourably.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Squawk!!!!!! Polly wanna a cracker
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're being a bit unfair there Don.
Billys idea of no Cl/Europa next season solves alot of the issues especially as qualifying should start in July.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
Billy, we all know the reason why you want the season finished. Just admit you want to laugh at Liverpool. No shame in admitting the hate you have for Liverpool and voiding the season would see them losing the title, giving you some sort of satisfaction. I know this, you know this and everyone on Ja606 knows this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sqwaak!! Polly wanna cracker!!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Can’t copy my jokes mate, not funny that way. You have mentioned Integrity about a million times. Squawk!!!!!
posted on 25/4/20
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
The Dutch President of Football has come out this morning, and says he doubts leagues across Europe, including the Prem will finish this season.
A domino effect of the leagues shutting down will come over the next month, I suspect.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it seems other countries disagree.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They may disagree in public, just to give the impression they want to finish their leagues. Privately though I suspect they know the game is up.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 22 minutes ago
For me the most fair way is finishing the season. It’s not ideal, but if it’s behind closed doors then so be it. Stopping the season and not having promotion, relegation etc is unjust and extremely unfair. Giving the final standings as it stands as the final placing for European football is unjust and unfair. You finish the season as planned.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Restarting the season under these circumstances, in empty stadiums or otherwise, is also extremely `unjust and unfair`, far more clubs will suffer unfairly by doing this.
Following the Dutch course of action minimizes the number of clubs that will feel `cheated`. Unfortunately the money men will be pushing for a behind closed doors end to this compromised season, which will be both unfair and not in accordance of the rules set out.
You can not `finish the season as planned` because the rules have been changed part way through, how can the season retain any integrity under these circumstances.
Cancelling next seasons European competitions solves a lot of problems, but again money means common sense goes out of the window.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You cannot even compare what is right for the Dutch league with the PL. It's crazy.
Most of the teams in the Dutch league earn little TV money anyway, and have much lower costs. Far easier to subsidise in these situations. If the PL just shuts up shop the money ramifications could mean the end of lots of clubs.
The Dutch also openly endorsed a herd mentality 'smart lockdown' where people could do pretty much what they wanted. It's been openly criticised globally but the Dutch are entitled to do as they chose. My point is they haven't had a lockdown as vigilant as ours. You cannot assume what is right for them is right for you without seeing the bigger picture.
TV money means a safe contingency plan would suit all Pl teams, as even in empty grounds the TV money is essential.
Players will have strict rules to avoid and prevent exposure. Clubs will be keen to ensure their assets aren't in danger just like any other business.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That does not mean it is fair, right and proper. All this solves is the financial aspect, it does not solve the problem of breached integrity, fairness and clubs being treated either favourably or unfavourably.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Squawk!!!!!! Polly wanna a cracker
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're being a bit unfair there Don.
Billys idea of no Cl/Europa next season solves alot of the issues especially as qualifying should start in July.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Billy’s idea is for one reason and one reason only mate, it’s because he hates Liverpool. Read between the lines and read what he keeps saying, then look at his posting history.
posted on 25/4/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
The Dutch President of Football has come out this morning, and says he doubts leagues across Europe, including the Prem will finish this season.
A domino effect of the leagues shutting down will come over the next month, I suspect.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well it seems other countries disagree.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They may disagree in public, just to give the impression they want to finish their leagues. Privately though I suspect they know the game is up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 25/4/20
Some of these Spurs fans are beyond help.
One of them, I think Bawron dude, is still talking about preserving next season. These guys living in a hole or what?
posted on 25/4/20
comment by Doggie Dog© (U22357)
posted 34 minutes ago
Some of these Spurs fans are beyond help.
One of them, I think Bawron dude, is still talking about preserving next season. These guys living in a hole or what?
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Agendas dude
Page 7 of 18
8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12