“ Good articles but this still comes down to a small minority of clubs. The ones whom were on course for promotion or league wins/qualifying spots. It's what 10-15 clubs out of what 90 odd (not sure total number of teams). So all those other teams have to suffer s BS remainder of a season, all so that few can gain whatever.”
You ignore teams due to be relegated/just above relegation places. You can’t have promotion without relegation.
If you count the top 6 of every league, PL, European places/Championship down automatic promotion & playoff places. Plus the relegation places it adds up to 36 teams this will affect. Over 1/3 of the 92 teams in the league.
It isn’t a minority of clubs
comment by The Gaffer (U22336)
posted 1 minute ago
It’s being widely reported the 20/21 season will have to be played behind closed doors as well
Either you want sports back on played safely until a vaccine is found or no sports at all.
You won’t be seeing full stadiums for a long time.
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Be lucky if that happens before next summer. But with some good planning, they CAN get fans in at a reduced capacity. That's why I think get this season done asap. Going forward, the leagues should all be focused on getting some fans in at safe distancing. Can't play games behind closed doors indefinitely anyway, as with lockdown. Everyone should be working out how we continue with life as best we can, living WITH this virus in gen pop. Instead of shutting life down temporarily "Til we have a vaccine," A viable, effective, long term SAFE, vaccine is YEARS away. Anyone healthy, taking ANY vaccine botched together in a one year rush, is CRAZY! Not sticking that crap in my body, it's JUST as likely, if not moreso, to kill you as the damn virus. We ain't going back to normal any time soon. Need to start getting on with life taking precautions. Since we might just have no choice here anyway.
Of course this could all rapidly become a moot point, when an antibody test is created. Antibody testing may well reveal that millions have had this virus worldwide already. Quite likely given how long it'd been lose before the world went panic. All this chaos, may well not be necessary at all. But only mass antibody testing can tell us that
How about we just wait and see what the results of this vaccine are instead of writing it off already. Oxford Uni say they are confident this will work.
And apparently an antibody test had been created which is over 99% accurate which will be getting distributed around Europe this month.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 14 minutes ago
“ Good articles but this still comes down to a small minority of clubs. The ones whom were on course for promotion or league wins/qualifying spots. It's what 10-15 clubs out of what 90 odd (not sure total number of teams). So all those other teams have to suffer s BS remainder of a season, all so that few can gain whatever.”
You ignore teams due to be relegated/just above relegation places. You can’t have promotion without relegation.
If you count the top 6 of every league, PL, European places/Championship down automatic promotion & playoff places. Plus the relegation places it adds up to 36 teams this will affect. Over 1/3 of the 92 teams in the league.
It isn’t a minority of clubs
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It's a minority of clubs whom stand to GAIN!
The clubs in relegation spots, I'm sure have ZERO issue with voiding the season. As with all the clubs who stand to gain nothing, whilst risking players.
Voiding effects, everyone yes. But it is the fairest outcome to ALL parties. Certainly more fair than everyone else having to be mucked about just so 3 teams from each league can chase their golden egg. I just see it as pointless doing anything else. But I'm also looking from an athlete point of view. Can't say I'd want a Bar of winning any title under these sorts of circumstances. The whole season is tainted now anyway so ANY overall result is too.
In a nutshell, the integrity of the season has already been flushed down the loo. Forcing out results which will see teams relegated, is just not right given said flushed integrity. Far more comfortable with the idea of a few teams not getting promotion or a trophy they HADN'T WON, than I am with idea of any teams being relegated off the back of this season. I think nobody should be relegated, first and foremost. Which means nobody can get promoted either. I'd much rather see clubs forced to miss out on promotion because of covid, than see clubs have to get relegated because of covid. One's WAY more unfair than the other there.
For me it's better to a bit harsh (unfair if you must) on the top spots, who ACTUALLY LOSE nothing by voiding. Than be very harsh and definitively unfair on lower spots, forcing them to be relegation of a season basically corrupted/spoiled by the outbreak. No promotion is probably just "Lose some money but live on just fine" But relegation, well that's quite possibly "Lose the club." Lose a trophy/promotion vs possibly lose an entire club...no contest which is the RIGHT choice there.
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 32 minutes ago
How about we just wait and see what the results of this vaccine are instead of writing it off already. Oxford Uni say they are confident this will work.
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You can do that if you like. I know enough about viruses and vaccine development to understand just how potentially dangerous a vaccine created this fast would be. You basically have NO WAY to know if it is safe to take long term. Don't give a toss what any Oxford dude says, that fact is the critical one.
To know long term side effects, needs long term data. So til you have a good 10-20 years of that, they just DON'T KNOW. One year into mass distribution, could discover side effects that kill people in a hurry. OK so movies like resident evil are the extreme SciFi take on the situation. But everyone should understand that rolling a vaccine out on mass, to fast. Although it probably isn't going to turn us into zombies, it's EVS as to whether it'll make say, people sterile. Or make women have babies with no arms or 4 arms. As I said, until it's been used over YEARS. It CANNOT be called "Safe" no matter how many oxford doc's they wheel out saying different. You just have to remember doc's ain't gods, they're just scientists making their best GUESS and rolling the dice.
When the vaccine is out. YOU take it and so long as you're not dead or damaged over the next 5 ,years, then I'll consider it
Yeah I'll choose to believe a scientist involved in the creation of the vaccine over some poster on an internet forum, believe it or not.
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 45 minutes ago
And apparently an antibody test had been created which is over 99% accurate which will be getting distributed around Europe this month.
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I'm interested in that one. I personally think they'll be seeing huge numbers testing positive. Dwarfing the current numbers and drastically reducing the infected:died ratio. Yes some poor unlucky sods are dying or have died. But I still think antibody testing figures will show that overall, this has actually been much ado about nothing.
“ For me it's better to a bit harsh (unfair if you must) on the top spots, who ACTUALLY LOSE nothing by voiding.”
Such a naive comment to make. Clubs gain money from promotion you know. The playoff final is known as the most lucrative match in the game. Say for example we void it and Leeds & West Brom don’t get promoted the next season that can be played. You think they’re going to say well that’s just our tough luck. No, they’re going to be apoplectic that they miss out on not only the glamour of playing against the top teams in the country, but £100’s of millions in revenue.
The further down the league you go the a more acute the situation becomes. Clubs that may have been promoted are at risk of going bust as a result of a voided league.
Then there’s this false integrity argument. In what world does voiding the league maintain integrity? If anything it takes it away. Void this season and go into the next hoping to god there isn’t a second wave, and we end up in the same situation again. That to you maintains the integrity of the league?
Yeah I'll choose to believe a scientist involved in the creation of the vaccine over some poster on an internet forum, believe it or not.
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Funny how we all want to believe expert opinions now, after Brexit.
I wonder where a club would stand legally if they refused to play in a neutral venue behind closed doors?
Villa (again) are the example I would chose. They have 10 games left of which 6 are at home and I'm pretty sure they didn't sign up to losing that advantage over other relegation candidates if a virus strikes.
The cost of relegation is millions and if I was them I would be looking into the legal ramifiations of not talking part in this lets keep Sky happy farce.
Socially I know almost nobody who is missing football enough to want to watch it under these circumstances and that includes several Liverpool supporters.
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
I wonder where a club would stand legally if they refused to play in a neutral venue behind closed doors?
Villa (again) are the example I would chose. They have 10 games left of which 6 are at home and I'm pretty sure they didn't sign up to losing that advantage over other relegation candidates if a virus strikes.
The cost of relegation is millions and if I was them I would be looking into the legal ramifiations of not talking part in this lets keep Sky happy farce.
Socially I know almost nobody who is missing football enough to want to watch it under these circumstances and that includes several Liverpool supporters.
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No one signed up for this. It’s an unprecedented situation. its going to be dealt with in a way we’ve never had to resolve a season before.
I don’t see why the 3 teams in the relegation places deserve another crack at the PL, and all that comes with it, Over the 3 teams promoted from the championship. Especially considering they’ve had 29/30 games to get their shiite together already.
That IMO would be the least fair of all the options available.
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 21 minutes ago
Yeah I'll choose to believe a scientist involved in the creation of the vaccine over some poster on an internet forum, believe it or not.
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Funny how we all want to believe expert opinions now, after Brexit.
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What a strange comment
Socially I know almost nobody who is missing football enough to want to watch it under these circumstances and that includes several Liverpool supporters.
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I made a point of watching Trent v Sterling playing FIFA and I also watch jnr play FIFA.
Yeah am missing football.. I don’t think we will have football back in a real capacity until next year.
So I’ll watch BCD absolutely. Now... Amazon had a feature where you could turn the commentary off and just listen to the crowd noise.
Pretty sure those audio files exist somewhere.
Put green screens around the pitch.. to stop the ball going out of play but also to be able to fill pictures of the crowd.
Will make it a more enjoyable spectacle on tv that’s for sure.
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 28 minutes ago
Yeah I'll choose to believe a scientist involved in the creation of the vaccine over some poster on an internet forum, believe it or not.
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Funny how we all want to believe expert opinions now, after Brexit.
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Yeah, comparing politicians to scientists is a great idea.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 32 minutes ago
“ For me it's better to a bit harsh (unfair if you must) on the top spots, who ACTUALLY LOSE nothing by voiding.”
Such a naive comment to make. Clubs gain money from promotion you know. The playoff final is known as the most lucrative match in the game. Say for example we void it and Leeds & West Brom don’t get promoted the next season that can be played. You think they’re going to say well that’s just our tough luck. No, they’re going to be apoplectic that they miss out on not only the glamour of playing against the top teams in the country, but £100’s of millions in revenue.
The further down the league you go the a more acute the situation becomes. Clubs that may have been promoted are at risk of going bust as a result of a voided league.
Then there’s this false integrity argument. In what world does voiding the league maintain integrity? If anything it takes it away. Void this season and go into the next hoping to god there isn’t a second wave, and we end up in the same situation again. That to you maintains the integrity of the league?
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There’s more to it than that.. a bit of depth. A team invests in players.. whether that’s purchasing new players or incentivising existing ones to perform better. The clubs have already made that investment and have paid out for it, voiding a season does what.. ? Does it repay all that money?
Imagine how a players salary is actually made up, base wage, appearance bonuses, goal bonuses, clean sheet bonuses, win bonus..
The players have to give that back? Or the club just take the hit?
For example all of Sheff Utd won bonuses paid out. Yeah void the league and don’t give them the prize money for doing brilliantly even though they’ve paid out the players performance related stuff..
Voiding would be the most unfair situation for all the clubs involved. It might be preferable to some clubs but it is unfair.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 7 minutes ago
Socially I know almost nobody who is missing football enough to want to watch it under these circumstances and that includes several Liverpool supporters.
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I made a point of watching Trent v Sterling playing FIFA and I also watch jnr play FIFA.
Yeah am missing football.. I don’t think we will have football back in a real capacity until next year.
So I’ll watch BCD absolutely. Now... Amazon had a feature where you could turn the commentary off and just listen to the crowd noise.
Pretty sure those audio files exist somewhere.
Put green screens around the pitch.. to stop the ball going *into the stands but also to be able to fill pictures of the crowd.
Will make it a more enjoyable spectacle on tv that’s for sure.
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comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
I wonder where a club would stand legally if they refused to play in a neutral venue behind closed doors?
Villa (again) are the example I would chose. They have 10 games left of which 6 are at home and I'm pretty sure they didn't sign up to losing that advantage over other relegation candidates if a virus strikes.
The cost of relegation is millions and if I was them I would be looking into the legal ramifiations of not talking part in this lets keep Sky happy farce.
Socially I know almost nobody who is missing football enough to want to watch it under these circumstances and that includes several Liverpool supporters.
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No one signed up for this. It’s an unprecedented situation. its going to be dealt with in a way we’ve never had to resolve a season before.
I don’t see why the 3 teams in the relegation places deserve another crack at the PL, and all that comes with it, Over the 3 teams promoted from the championship. Especially considering they’ve had 29/30 games to get their shiite together already.
That IMO would be the least fair of all the options available.
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No team who haven't mathematically ensured their fate deserve anything and to relegate Villa who have a home game in hand that could take them out of the bottom 3 would be a disgrace. Sure they've had 28 games but they signed up for 38, because these are unprecedented times isn't an excuse to become desperate.
If we must play it out then it should be done when teams can play under the same conditions they started with. Null and void would be so much easier and although some clubs will be furious its a damn sight better to press the reset button and let everybody know where they stand rather than trying a silly way to salvage a tainted season.
That way the transfer window doesn't get messed about with either.
No team who haven't mathematically ensured their fate deserve anything
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I disagree. There's no rule that says anything must be mathematically ensured.
“ If we must play it out then it should be done when teams can play under the same conditions they started with”
Not really, a precedent has been set. Spurs started the 18/19 season playing home games at Wembley. From April onwards they played their remaining home games at the new stadium. Didn’t see many complaints from Spurs fans at the time
Next season will also be started behind closed doors and at neutral venues and finished under different conditions.
Perhaps we should just void it right now.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 21 seconds ago
“ If we must play it out then it should be done when teams can play under the same conditions they started with”
Not really, a precedent has been set. Spurs started the 18/19 season playing home games at Wembley. From April onwards they played their remaining home games at the new stadium. Didn’t see many complaints from Spurs fans at the time
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You're barking up the wrong tree with me on this one.
Although I hated Wembley I always made it clear that having started a 2nd season there we should finish it there. As I said yesterday I was surprised that the Prem allowed it.
comment by Shijiu (U22385)
posted 1 minute ago
Next season will also be started behind closed doors and at neutral venues and finished under different conditions.
Perhaps we should just void it right now.
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might as well according to the logic of some on here
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 21 seconds ago
“ If we must play it out then it should be done when teams can play under the same conditions they started with”
Not really, a precedent has been set. Spurs started the 18/19 season playing home games at Wembley. From April onwards they played their remaining home games at the new stadium. Didn’t see many complaints from Spurs fans at the time
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You're barking up the wrong tree with me on this one.
Although I hated Wembley I always made it clear that having started a 2nd season there we should finish it there. As I said yesterday I was surprised that the Prem allowed it.
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You may agree. A precedent has still been set for a club finishing the league in a different situation to when they started.
comment by Shijiu (U22385)
posted 2 minutes ago
Next season will also be started behind closed doors and at neutral venues and finished under different conditions.
Perhaps we should just void it right now.
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Wretched though that would be if we began a season under those circumstances then thats how it should end.
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posted on 2/5/20
“ Good articles but this still comes down to a small minority of clubs. The ones whom were on course for promotion or league wins/qualifying spots. It's what 10-15 clubs out of what 90 odd (not sure total number of teams). So all those other teams have to suffer s BS remainder of a season, all so that few can gain whatever.”
You ignore teams due to be relegated/just above relegation places. You can’t have promotion without relegation.
If you count the top 6 of every league, PL, European places/Championship down automatic promotion & playoff places. Plus the relegation places it adds up to 36 teams this will affect. Over 1/3 of the 92 teams in the league.
It isn’t a minority of clubs
posted on 2/5/20
comment by The Gaffer (U22336)
posted 1 minute ago
It’s being widely reported the 20/21 season will have to be played behind closed doors as well
Either you want sports back on played safely until a vaccine is found or no sports at all.
You won’t be seeing full stadiums for a long time.
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Be lucky if that happens before next summer. But with some good planning, they CAN get fans in at a reduced capacity. That's why I think get this season done asap. Going forward, the leagues should all be focused on getting some fans in at safe distancing. Can't play games behind closed doors indefinitely anyway, as with lockdown. Everyone should be working out how we continue with life as best we can, living WITH this virus in gen pop. Instead of shutting life down temporarily "Til we have a vaccine," A viable, effective, long term SAFE, vaccine is YEARS away. Anyone healthy, taking ANY vaccine botched together in a one year rush, is CRAZY! Not sticking that crap in my body, it's JUST as likely, if not moreso, to kill you as the damn virus. We ain't going back to normal any time soon. Need to start getting on with life taking precautions. Since we might just have no choice here anyway.
Of course this could all rapidly become a moot point, when an antibody test is created. Antibody testing may well reveal that millions have had this virus worldwide already. Quite likely given how long it'd been lose before the world went panic. All this chaos, may well not be necessary at all. But only mass antibody testing can tell us that
posted on 2/5/20
How about we just wait and see what the results of this vaccine are instead of writing it off already. Oxford Uni say they are confident this will work.
posted on 2/5/20
And apparently an antibody test had been created which is over 99% accurate which will be getting distributed around Europe this month.
posted on 2/5/20
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 14 minutes ago
“ Good articles but this still comes down to a small minority of clubs. The ones whom were on course for promotion or league wins/qualifying spots. It's what 10-15 clubs out of what 90 odd (not sure total number of teams). So all those other teams have to suffer s BS remainder of a season, all so that few can gain whatever.”
You ignore teams due to be relegated/just above relegation places. You can’t have promotion without relegation.
If you count the top 6 of every league, PL, European places/Championship down automatic promotion & playoff places. Plus the relegation places it adds up to 36 teams this will affect. Over 1/3 of the 92 teams in the league.
It isn’t a minority of clubs
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It's a minority of clubs whom stand to GAIN!
The clubs in relegation spots, I'm sure have ZERO issue with voiding the season. As with all the clubs who stand to gain nothing, whilst risking players.
Voiding effects, everyone yes. But it is the fairest outcome to ALL parties. Certainly more fair than everyone else having to be mucked about just so 3 teams from each league can chase their golden egg. I just see it as pointless doing anything else. But I'm also looking from an athlete point of view. Can't say I'd want a Bar of winning any title under these sorts of circumstances. The whole season is tainted now anyway so ANY overall result is too.
In a nutshell, the integrity of the season has already been flushed down the loo. Forcing out results which will see teams relegated, is just not right given said flushed integrity. Far more comfortable with the idea of a few teams not getting promotion or a trophy they HADN'T WON, than I am with idea of any teams being relegated off the back of this season. I think nobody should be relegated, first and foremost. Which means nobody can get promoted either. I'd much rather see clubs forced to miss out on promotion because of covid, than see clubs have to get relegated because of covid. One's WAY more unfair than the other there.
For me it's better to a bit harsh (unfair if you must) on the top spots, who ACTUALLY LOSE nothing by voiding. Than be very harsh and definitively unfair on lower spots, forcing them to be relegation of a season basically corrupted/spoiled by the outbreak. No promotion is probably just "Lose some money but live on just fine" But relegation, well that's quite possibly "Lose the club." Lose a trophy/promotion vs possibly lose an entire club...no contest which is the RIGHT choice there.
posted on 2/5/20
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 32 minutes ago
How about we just wait and see what the results of this vaccine are instead of writing it off already. Oxford Uni say they are confident this will work.
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You can do that if you like. I know enough about viruses and vaccine development to understand just how potentially dangerous a vaccine created this fast would be. You basically have NO WAY to know if it is safe to take long term. Don't give a toss what any Oxford dude says, that fact is the critical one.
To know long term side effects, needs long term data. So til you have a good 10-20 years of that, they just DON'T KNOW. One year into mass distribution, could discover side effects that kill people in a hurry. OK so movies like resident evil are the extreme SciFi take on the situation. But everyone should understand that rolling a vaccine out on mass, to fast. Although it probably isn't going to turn us into zombies, it's EVS as to whether it'll make say, people sterile. Or make women have babies with no arms or 4 arms. As I said, until it's been used over YEARS. It CANNOT be called "Safe" no matter how many oxford doc's they wheel out saying different. You just have to remember doc's ain't gods, they're just scientists making their best GUESS and rolling the dice.
When the vaccine is out. YOU take it and so long as you're not dead or damaged over the next 5 ,years, then I'll consider it
posted on 2/5/20
Yeah I'll choose to believe a scientist involved in the creation of the vaccine over some poster on an internet forum, believe it or not.
posted on 2/5/20
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 45 minutes ago
And apparently an antibody test had been created which is over 99% accurate which will be getting distributed around Europe this month.
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I'm interested in that one. I personally think they'll be seeing huge numbers testing positive. Dwarfing the current numbers and drastically reducing the infected:died ratio. Yes some poor unlucky sods are dying or have died. But I still think antibody testing figures will show that overall, this has actually been much ado about nothing.
posted on 2/5/20
“ For me it's better to a bit harsh (unfair if you must) on the top spots, who ACTUALLY LOSE nothing by voiding.”
Such a naive comment to make. Clubs gain money from promotion you know. The playoff final is known as the most lucrative match in the game. Say for example we void it and Leeds & West Brom don’t get promoted the next season that can be played. You think they’re going to say well that’s just our tough luck. No, they’re going to be apoplectic that they miss out on not only the glamour of playing against the top teams in the country, but £100’s of millions in revenue.
The further down the league you go the a more acute the situation becomes. Clubs that may have been promoted are at risk of going bust as a result of a voided league.
Then there’s this false integrity argument. In what world does voiding the league maintain integrity? If anything it takes it away. Void this season and go into the next hoping to god there isn’t a second wave, and we end up in the same situation again. That to you maintains the integrity of the league?
posted on 2/5/20
Yeah I'll choose to believe a scientist involved in the creation of the vaccine over some poster on an internet forum, believe it or not.
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Funny how we all want to believe expert opinions now, after Brexit.
posted on 2/5/20
I wonder where a club would stand legally if they refused to play in a neutral venue behind closed doors?
Villa (again) are the example I would chose. They have 10 games left of which 6 are at home and I'm pretty sure they didn't sign up to losing that advantage over other relegation candidates if a virus strikes.
The cost of relegation is millions and if I was them I would be looking into the legal ramifiations of not talking part in this lets keep Sky happy farce.
Socially I know almost nobody who is missing football enough to want to watch it under these circumstances and that includes several Liverpool supporters.
posted on 2/5/20
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
I wonder where a club would stand legally if they refused to play in a neutral venue behind closed doors?
Villa (again) are the example I would chose. They have 10 games left of which 6 are at home and I'm pretty sure they didn't sign up to losing that advantage over other relegation candidates if a virus strikes.
The cost of relegation is millions and if I was them I would be looking into the legal ramifiations of not talking part in this lets keep Sky happy farce.
Socially I know almost nobody who is missing football enough to want to watch it under these circumstances and that includes several Liverpool supporters.
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No one signed up for this. It’s an unprecedented situation. its going to be dealt with in a way we’ve never had to resolve a season before.
I don’t see why the 3 teams in the relegation places deserve another crack at the PL, and all that comes with it, Over the 3 teams promoted from the championship. Especially considering they’ve had 29/30 games to get their shiite together already.
That IMO would be the least fair of all the options available.
posted on 2/5/20
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 21 minutes ago
Yeah I'll choose to believe a scientist involved in the creation of the vaccine over some poster on an internet forum, believe it or not.
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Funny how we all want to believe expert opinions now, after Brexit.
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What a strange comment
posted on 2/5/20
Socially I know almost nobody who is missing football enough to want to watch it under these circumstances and that includes several Liverpool supporters.
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I made a point of watching Trent v Sterling playing FIFA and I also watch jnr play FIFA.
Yeah am missing football.. I don’t think we will have football back in a real capacity until next year.
So I’ll watch BCD absolutely. Now... Amazon had a feature where you could turn the commentary off and just listen to the crowd noise.
Pretty sure those audio files exist somewhere.
Put green screens around the pitch.. to stop the ball going out of play but also to be able to fill pictures of the crowd.
Will make it a more enjoyable spectacle on tv that’s for sure.
posted on 2/5/20
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 28 minutes ago
Yeah I'll choose to believe a scientist involved in the creation of the vaccine over some poster on an internet forum, believe it or not.
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Funny how we all want to believe expert opinions now, after Brexit.
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Yeah, comparing politicians to scientists is a great idea.
posted on 2/5/20
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 32 minutes ago
“ For me it's better to a bit harsh (unfair if you must) on the top spots, who ACTUALLY LOSE nothing by voiding.”
Such a naive comment to make. Clubs gain money from promotion you know. The playoff final is known as the most lucrative match in the game. Say for example we void it and Leeds & West Brom don’t get promoted the next season that can be played. You think they’re going to say well that’s just our tough luck. No, they’re going to be apoplectic that they miss out on not only the glamour of playing against the top teams in the country, but £100’s of millions in revenue.
The further down the league you go the a more acute the situation becomes. Clubs that may have been promoted are at risk of going bust as a result of a voided league.
Then there’s this false integrity argument. In what world does voiding the league maintain integrity? If anything it takes it away. Void this season and go into the next hoping to god there isn’t a second wave, and we end up in the same situation again. That to you maintains the integrity of the league?
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There’s more to it than that.. a bit of depth. A team invests in players.. whether that’s purchasing new players or incentivising existing ones to perform better. The clubs have already made that investment and have paid out for it, voiding a season does what.. ? Does it repay all that money?
Imagine how a players salary is actually made up, base wage, appearance bonuses, goal bonuses, clean sheet bonuses, win bonus..
The players have to give that back? Or the club just take the hit?
For example all of Sheff Utd won bonuses paid out. Yeah void the league and don’t give them the prize money for doing brilliantly even though they’ve paid out the players performance related stuff..
Voiding would be the most unfair situation for all the clubs involved. It might be preferable to some clubs but it is unfair.
posted on 2/5/20
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 7 minutes ago
Socially I know almost nobody who is missing football enough to want to watch it under these circumstances and that includes several Liverpool supporters.
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I made a point of watching Trent v Sterling playing FIFA and I also watch jnr play FIFA.
Yeah am missing football.. I don’t think we will have football back in a real capacity until next year.
So I’ll watch BCD absolutely. Now... Amazon had a feature where you could turn the commentary off and just listen to the crowd noise.
Pretty sure those audio files exist somewhere.
Put green screens around the pitch.. to stop the ball going *into the stands but also to be able to fill pictures of the crowd.
Will make it a more enjoyable spectacle on tv that’s for sure.
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*corrected
posted on 2/5/20
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
I wonder where a club would stand legally if they refused to play in a neutral venue behind closed doors?
Villa (again) are the example I would chose. They have 10 games left of which 6 are at home and I'm pretty sure they didn't sign up to losing that advantage over other relegation candidates if a virus strikes.
The cost of relegation is millions and if I was them I would be looking into the legal ramifiations of not talking part in this lets keep Sky happy farce.
Socially I know almost nobody who is missing football enough to want to watch it under these circumstances and that includes several Liverpool supporters.
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No one signed up for this. It’s an unprecedented situation. its going to be dealt with in a way we’ve never had to resolve a season before.
I don’t see why the 3 teams in the relegation places deserve another crack at the PL, and all that comes with it, Over the 3 teams promoted from the championship. Especially considering they’ve had 29/30 games to get their shiite together already.
That IMO would be the least fair of all the options available.
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No team who haven't mathematically ensured their fate deserve anything and to relegate Villa who have a home game in hand that could take them out of the bottom 3 would be a disgrace. Sure they've had 28 games but they signed up for 38, because these are unprecedented times isn't an excuse to become desperate.
If we must play it out then it should be done when teams can play under the same conditions they started with. Null and void would be so much easier and although some clubs will be furious its a damn sight better to press the reset button and let everybody know where they stand rather than trying a silly way to salvage a tainted season.
That way the transfer window doesn't get messed about with either.
posted on 2/5/20
No team who haven't mathematically ensured their fate deserve anything
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I disagree. There's no rule that says anything must be mathematically ensured.
posted on 2/5/20
“ If we must play it out then it should be done when teams can play under the same conditions they started with”
Not really, a precedent has been set. Spurs started the 18/19 season playing home games at Wembley. From April onwards they played their remaining home games at the new stadium. Didn’t see many complaints from Spurs fans at the time
posted on 2/5/20
Next season will also be started behind closed doors and at neutral venues and finished under different conditions.
Perhaps we should just void it right now.
posted on 2/5/20
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 21 seconds ago
“ If we must play it out then it should be done when teams can play under the same conditions they started with”
Not really, a precedent has been set. Spurs started the 18/19 season playing home games at Wembley. From April onwards they played their remaining home games at the new stadium. Didn’t see many complaints from Spurs fans at the time
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You're barking up the wrong tree with me on this one.
Although I hated Wembley I always made it clear that having started a 2nd season there we should finish it there. As I said yesterday I was surprised that the Prem allowed it.
posted on 2/5/20
comment by Shijiu (U22385)
posted 1 minute ago
Next season will also be started behind closed doors and at neutral venues and finished under different conditions.
Perhaps we should just void it right now.
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might as well according to the logic of some on here
posted on 2/5/20
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 21 seconds ago
“ If we must play it out then it should be done when teams can play under the same conditions they started with”
Not really, a precedent has been set. Spurs started the 18/19 season playing home games at Wembley. From April onwards they played their remaining home games at the new stadium. Didn’t see many complaints from Spurs fans at the time
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You're barking up the wrong tree with me on this one.
Although I hated Wembley I always made it clear that having started a 2nd season there we should finish it there. As I said yesterday I was surprised that the Prem allowed it.
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You may agree. A precedent has still been set for a club finishing the league in a different situation to when they started.
posted on 2/5/20
comment by Shijiu (U22385)
posted 2 minutes ago
Next season will also be started behind closed doors and at neutral venues and finished under different conditions.
Perhaps we should just void it right now.
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Wretched though that would be if we began a season under those circumstances then thats how it should end.
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