"The most important part of my evil plan is to get footballers to kneel before a football match"

Karl Marx - 1879

comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
"The most important part of my evil plan is to get footballers to kneel before a football match"

Karl Marx - 1879
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'The only way to erase racism for good is to get footballers to kneel before a football game.

Martin Luther King Jr - 1955

Martin Luther King didn't say that

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comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
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comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 5 seconds ago
No one is preaching??? Like literally. Some lads kneeling down for a few seconds and that's it.
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Yes they are!
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Only if you're being racist surely. It barely registers with me.

I guess they dont preach to the converted.
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Converted... so you were a racist? Interesting...
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No it's an attempt at a play on words to highlight how fvcking silly it to suggest people are being preached to when they are literally not. Genuinely have no idea why it would annoy anyone (except I do).
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This is the sort of pompous bollox that leads to the booing.

I (not you) will decide whether I'm being preached too.

You talk factually about something that is completely down to individual interpretation.

Nah words mean things and you are either being preached to or your not.

And on that note of words meaning things.... you're

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I believe the minutes silence on rememberance day is preaching,

I shall boo it from now on.

(incidentally as a child i was hit by an elderly stranger in a shop for talking during the silence, hadnt realised it was even happening)

Is it even possible to preach when you're not saying anything? If so I'll pass it on the the guy in town who somewhat urinivmcally keeps telling everyone to kneel before Christ our saviour.

I don't even boo him.

urinivmcally
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This should say ironically.

Once again people seem adamant to conflate the idea of not necessarily agreeing with something, and going out of your way to boo the idea that is represented.

I'm sure there are any number of people who don't think taking the knee is worthwhile, like Zaha. They might think it's not strong enough etc. How many of these people go out of their way to actively boo the gesture? Zaha certainly doesn't.

I don't wear poppies. I don't particularly like that they have been co-opted by groups like Britain First and the EDL. I don't care if others choose to wear a poppy to honour the war dead, that is their right. I don't go out of my way to boo and harass those who wear a poppy and then justify it by saying they must be wearing the poppy because they are members of a racist group, because that would be really stupid.

By the logic of PNE and Pawl we should be encouraged to go around booing and harassing the poppy wearers in the street because they are preaching at us by wearing a poppy and there is a tenuous link to the poppy and some racist groups, and that people are being forced to wear it even when they tell us it is their own choice to do so.

Headshot ^

comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
Once again people seem adamant to conflate the idea of not necessarily agreeing with something, and going out of your way to boo the idea that is represented.

I'm sure there are any number of people who don't think taking the knee is worthwhile, like Zaha. They might think it's not strong enough etc. How many of these people go out of their way to actively boo the gesture? Zaha certainly doesn't.

I don't wear poppies. I don't particularly like that they have been co-opted by groups like Britain First and the EDL. I don't care if others choose to wear a poppy to honour the war dead, that is their right. I don't go out of my way to boo and harass those who wear a poppy and then justify it by saying they must be wearing the poppy because they are members of a racist group, because that would be really stupid.

By the logic of PNE and Pawl we should be encouraged to go around booing and harassing the poppy wearers in the street because they are preaching at us by wearing a poppy and there is a tenuous link to the poppy and some racist groups, and that people are being forced to wear it even when they tell us it is their own choice to do so.
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comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 3 minutes ago
Once again people seem adamant to conflate the idea of not necessarily agreeing with something, and going out of your way to boo the idea that is represented.

I'm sure there are any number of people who don't think taking the knee is worthwhile, like Zaha. They might think it's not strong enough etc. How many of these people go out of their way to actively boo the gesture? Zaha certainly doesn't.

I don't wear poppies. I don't particularly like that they have been co-opted by groups like Britain First and the EDL. I don't care if others choose to wear a poppy to honour the war dead, that is their right. I don't go out of my way to boo and harass those who wear a poppy and then justify it by saying they must be wearing the poppy because they are members of a racist group, because that would be really stupid.

By the logic of PNE and Pawl we should be encouraged to go around booing and harassing the poppy wearers in the street because they are preaching at us by wearing a poppy and there is a tenuous link to the poppy and some racist groups, and that people are being forced to wear it even when they tell us it is their own choice to do so.
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This debate has led me to exactly this opinion. I'm of the same opinion when it comes to poppies and clapping the NHS, futile gestures but I'd always condemn booing them, and will do so with taking the knee from now on.

It's been an education. For the first time ever on JA606 somebody has changed their opinion

comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
Once again people seem adamant to conflate the idea of not necessarily agreeing with something, and going out of your way to boo the idea that is represented.

I'm sure there are any number of people who don't think taking the knee is worthwhile, like Zaha. They might think it's not strong enough etc. How many of these people go out of their way to actively boo the gesture? Zaha certainly doesn't.

I don't wear poppies. I don't particularly like that they have been co-opted by groups like Britain First and the EDL. I don't care if others choose to wear a poppy to honour the war dead, that is their right. I don't go out of my way to boo and harass those who wear a poppy and then justify it by saying they must be wearing the poppy because they are members of a racist group, because that would be really stupid.

By the logic of PNE and Pawl we should be encouraged to go around booing and harassing the poppy wearers in the street because they are preaching at us by wearing a poppy and there is a tenuous link to the poppy and some racist groups, and that people are being forced to wear it even when they tell us it is their own choice to do so.
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i remember being forced to wear one at work when i was 20ish

Oppression.

Also your post: I agree that the kneeling wont achieve much, But you dont step back before moving forwards, the fact that its spawning 31 page discussions about racism on football forums is exactly the point.

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comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 3 minutes ago
Once again people seem adamant to conflate the idea of not necessarily agreeing with something, and going out of your way to boo the idea that is represented.

I'm sure there are any number of people who don't think taking the knee is worthwhile, like Zaha. They might think it's not strong enough etc. How many of these people go out of their way to actively boo the gesture? Zaha certainly doesn't.

I don't wear poppies. I don't particularly like that they have been co-opted by groups like Britain First and the EDL. I don't care if others choose to wear a poppy to honour the war dead, that is their right. I don't go out of my way to boo and harass those who wear a poppy and then justify it by saying they must be wearing the poppy because they are members of a racist group, because that would be really stupid.

By the logic of PNE and Pawl we should be encouraged to go around booing and harassing the poppy wearers in the street because they are preaching at us by wearing a poppy and there is a tenuous link to the poppy and some racist groups, and that people are being forced to wear it even when they tell us it is their own choice to do so.
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This debate has led me to exactly this opinion. I'm of the same opinion when it comes to poppies and clapping the NHS, futile gestures but I'd always condemn booing them, and will do so with taking the knee from now on.

It's been an education. For the first time ever on JA606 somebody has changed their opinion
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You know more about shopping than football Fred, But i do applaud you for your Honesty, Maturity and Intelligence

This isnt the first time ive seen you accept evidence and debate to change your mind before either, The world could use a lot more people like yourself

comment by NPE ★★ (U22521)
posted 56 seconds ago
NPE is my name, mate.

I actually don't support poppy wearing in football and have criticised football's embrace of the ceremony. I think it a solemn service best left to war memorials, churches and graveyards of fallen soldiers. A deeply important tribute but one best committed away from a football ground.

The only difference now is left wingers are criticising me rather than fellow conservatives.
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Apologies. I also didn't mean to suggest that Preston North End were involved in anyway.

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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Alisson Becker, Liverpool's Number 9 (U3979)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 3 minutes ago
Once again people seem adamant to conflate the idea of not necessarily agreeing with something, and going out of your way to boo the idea that is represented.

I'm sure there are any number of people who don't think taking the knee is worthwhile, like Zaha. They might think it's not strong enough etc. How many of these people go out of their way to actively boo the gesture? Zaha certainly doesn't.

I don't wear poppies. I don't particularly like that they have been co-opted by groups like Britain First and the EDL. I don't care if others choose to wear a poppy to honour the war dead, that is their right. I don't go out of my way to boo and harass those who wear a poppy and then justify it by saying they must be wearing the poppy because they are members of a racist group, because that would be really stupid.

By the logic of PNE and Pawl we should be encouraged to go around booing and harassing the poppy wearers in the street because they are preaching at us by wearing a poppy and there is a tenuous link to the poppy and some racist groups, and that people are being forced to wear it even when they tell us it is their own choice to do so.
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This debate has led me to exactly this opinion. I'm of the same opinion when it comes to poppies and clapping the NHS, futile gestures but I'd always condemn booing them, and will do so with taking the knee from now on.

It's been an education. For the first time ever on JA606 somebody has changed their opinion
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You know more about shopping than football Fred, But i do applaud you for your Honesty, Maturity and Intelligence

This isnt the first time ive seen you accept evidence and debate to change your mind before either, The world could use a lot more people like yourself
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I know sod all about football, I've been watching / playing baseball for 3 years and speak with a lot more confidence about baseball

Appreciate the comment though.

comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
Once again people seem adamant to conflate the idea of not necessarily agreeing with something, and going out of your way to boo the idea that is represented.

I'm sure there are any number of people who don't think taking the knee is worthwhile, like Zaha. They might think it's not strong enough etc. How many of these people go out of their way to actively boo the gesture? Zaha certainly doesn't.

I don't wear poppies. I don't particularly like that they have been co-opted by groups like Britain First and the EDL. I don't care if others choose to wear a poppy to honour the war dead, that is their right. I don't go out of my way to boo and harass those who wear a poppy and then justify it by saying they must be wearing the poppy because they are members of a racist group, because that would be really stupid.

By the logic of PNE and Pawl we should be encouraged to go around booing and harassing the poppy wearers in the street because they are preaching at us by wearing a poppy and there is a tenuous link to the poppy and some racist groups, and that people are being forced to wear it even when they tell us it is their own choice to do so.
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Oh come on.

If you've paid good money to watch a football match thats very different to randomly walking down the street.

Thats like me saying wheres the gesture for gingers and fat people (medical not overeaters). Haha

comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
Once again people seem adamant to conflate the idea of not necessarily agreeing with something, and going out of your way to boo the idea that is represented.

I'm sure there are any number of people who don't think taking the knee is worthwhile, like Zaha. They might think it's not strong enough etc. How many of these people go out of their way to actively boo the gesture? Zaha certainly doesn't.

I don't wear poppies. I don't particularly like that they have been co-opted by groups like Britain First and the EDL. I don't care if others choose to wear a poppy to honour the war dead, that is their right. I don't go out of my way to boo and harass those who wear a poppy and then justify it by saying they must be wearing the poppy because they are members of a racist group, because that would be really stupid.

By the logic of PNE and Pawl we should be encouraged to go around booing and harassing the poppy wearers in the street because they are preaching at us by wearing a poppy and there is a tenuous link to the poppy and some racist groups, and that people are being forced to wear it even when they tell us it is their own choice to do so.
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Oh come on.

If you've paid good money to watch a football match thats very different to randomly walking down the street.

Thats like me saying wheres the gesture for gingers and fat people (medical not overeaters). Haha
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You see poppies everywhere, including at football games, would you support the booing of rememberance events at football games?

Would you defend it like you have the right to boo and anti-racism gesture?

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comment by Insert random username (U10647)
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comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
Once again people seem adamant to conflate the idea of not necessarily agreeing with something, and going out of your way to boo the idea that is represented.

I'm sure there are any number of people who don't think taking the knee is worthwhile, like Zaha. They might think it's not strong enough etc. How many of these people go out of their way to actively boo the gesture? Zaha certainly doesn't.

I don't wear poppies. I don't particularly like that they have been co-opted by groups like Britain First and the EDL. I don't care if others choose to wear a poppy to honour the war dead, that is their right. I don't go out of my way to boo and harass those who wear a poppy and then justify it by saying they must be wearing the poppy because they are members of a racist group, because that would be really stupid.

By the logic of PNE and Pawl we should be encouraged to go around booing and harassing the poppy wearers in the street because they are preaching at us by wearing a poppy and there is a tenuous link to the poppy and some racist groups, and that people are being forced to wear it even when they tell us it is their own choice to do so.
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Oh come on.

If you've paid good money to watch a football match thats very different to randomly walking down the street.

Thats like me saying wheres the gesture for gingers and fat people (medical not overeaters). Haha
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You see poppies everywhere, including at football games, would you support the booing of rememberance events at football games?

Would you defend it like you have the right to boo and anti-racism gesture?
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No I wouldn't but anybody who has attended football matches for the past 70 years knows when the poppy season is coming and when it ends.

The BLM kneel has been recently foisted upon folk at every Prem game and shows no signs of going away.

You are comparing apples with pears.

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