comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
Once again people seem adamant to conflate the idea of not necessarily agreeing with something, and going out of your way to boo the idea that is represented.
I'm sure there are any number of people who don't think taking the knee is worthwhile, like Zaha. They might think it's not strong enough etc. How many of these people go out of their way to actively boo the gesture? Zaha certainly doesn't.
I don't wear poppies. I don't particularly like that they have been co-opted by groups like Britain First and the EDL. I don't care if others choose to wear a poppy to honour the war dead, that is their right. I don't go out of my way to boo and harass those who wear a poppy and then justify it by saying they must be wearing the poppy because they are members of a racist group, because that would be really stupid.
By the logic of PNE and Pawl we should be encouraged to go around booing and harassing the poppy wearers in the street because they are preaching at us by wearing a poppy and there is a tenuous link to the poppy and some racist groups, and that people are being forced to wear it even when they tell us it is their own choice to do so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh come on.
If you've paid good money to watch a football match thats very different to randomly walking down the street.
Thats like me saying wheres the gesture for gingers and fat people (medical not overeaters). Haha
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You see poppies everywhere, including at football games, would you support the booing of rememberance events at football games?
Would you defend it like you have the right to boo and anti-racism gesture?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No I wouldn't but anybody who has attended football matches for the past 70 years knows when the poppy season is coming and when it ends.
The BLM kneel has been recently foisted upon folk at every Prem game and shows no signs of going away.
You are comparing apples with pears.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so the issue is that it is too regular and nobody knows when it will stop so people are more likely to boo it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You will also notice that despite it being explained that there is no affiliation, he still refers to it as the "BLM kneel" to allow him to try and claim political reasons for his dislike of it.
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
Once again people seem adamant to conflate the idea of not necessarily agreeing with something, and going out of your way to boo the idea that is represented.
I'm sure there are any number of people who don't think taking the knee is worthwhile, like Zaha. They might think it's not strong enough etc. How many of these people go out of their way to actively boo the gesture? Zaha certainly doesn't.
I don't wear poppies. I don't particularly like that they have been co-opted by groups like Britain First and the EDL. I don't care if others choose to wear a poppy to honour the war dead, that is their right. I don't go out of my way to boo and harass those who wear a poppy and then justify it by saying they must be wearing the poppy because they are members of a racist group, because that would be really stupid.
By the logic of PNE and Pawl we should be encouraged to go around booing and harassing the poppy wearers in the street because they are preaching at us by wearing a poppy and there is a tenuous link to the poppy and some racist groups, and that people are being forced to wear it even when they tell us it is their own choice to do so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh come on.
If you've paid good money to watch a football match thats very different to randomly walking down the street.
Thats like me saying wheres the gesture for gingers and fat people (medical not overeaters). Haha
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You see poppies everywhere, including at football games, would you support the booing of rememberance events at football games?
Would you defend it like you have the right to boo and anti-racism gesture?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No I wouldn't but anybody who has attended football matches for the past 70 years knows when the poppy season is coming and when it ends.
The BLM kneel has been recently foisted upon folk at every Prem game and shows no signs of going away.
You are comparing apples with pears.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so the issue is that it is too regular and nobody knows when it will stop so people are more likely to boo it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wouldn't say its the issue but the more often something happens surely the more likely it is to annoy those who dislike it.
For example if I parked my car in next doors space he would probably tolerate it once or twice but if I did it everyday he'd be knocking on my door.
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
Once again people seem adamant to conflate the idea of not necessarily agreeing with something, and going out of your way to boo the idea that is represented.
I'm sure there are any number of people who don't think taking the knee is worthwhile, like Zaha. They might think it's not strong enough etc. How many of these people go out of their way to actively boo the gesture? Zaha certainly doesn't.
I don't wear poppies. I don't particularly like that they have been co-opted by groups like Britain First and the EDL. I don't care if others choose to wear a poppy to honour the war dead, that is their right. I don't go out of my way to boo and harass those who wear a poppy and then justify it by saying they must be wearing the poppy because they are members of a racist group, because that would be really stupid.
By the logic of PNE and Pawl we should be encouraged to go around booing and harassing the poppy wearers in the street because they are preaching at us by wearing a poppy and there is a tenuous link to the poppy and some racist groups, and that people are being forced to wear it even when they tell us it is their own choice to do so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh come on.
If you've paid good money to watch a football match thats very different to randomly walking down the street.
Thats like me saying wheres the gesture for gingers and fat people (medical not overeaters). Haha
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You see poppies everywhere, including at football games, would you support the booing of rememberance events at football games?
Would you defend it like you have the right to boo and anti-racism gesture?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No I wouldn't but anybody who has attended football matches for the past 70 years knows when the poppy season is coming and when it ends.
The BLM kneel has been recently foisted upon folk at every Prem game and shows no signs of going away.
You are comparing apples with pears.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so the issue is that it is too regular and nobody knows when it will stop so people are more likely to boo it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You will also notice that despite it being explained that there is no affiliation, he still refers to it as the "BLM kneel" to allow him to try and claim political reasons for his dislike of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are banners at the ground and the logo on the tv. If the players want to get that removed then Rashford just needs to say like he did with the school dinners.
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
Once again people seem adamant to conflate the idea of not necessarily agreeing with something, and going out of your way to boo the idea that is represented.
I'm sure there are any number of people who don't think taking the knee is worthwhile, like Zaha. They might think it's not strong enough etc. How many of these people go out of their way to actively boo the gesture? Zaha certainly doesn't.
I don't wear poppies. I don't particularly like that they have been co-opted by groups like Britain First and the EDL. I don't care if others choose to wear a poppy to honour the war dead, that is their right. I don't go out of my way to boo and harass those who wear a poppy and then justify it by saying they must be wearing the poppy because they are members of a racist group, because that would be really stupid.
By the logic of PNE and Pawl we should be encouraged to go around booing and harassing the poppy wearers in the street because they are preaching at us by wearing a poppy and there is a tenuous link to the poppy and some racist groups, and that people are being forced to wear it even when they tell us it is their own choice to do so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh come on.
If you've paid good money to watch a football match thats very different to randomly walking down the street.
Thats like me saying wheres the gesture for gingers and fat people (medical not overeaters). Haha
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You see poppies everywhere, including at football games, would you support the booing of rememberance events at football games?
Would you defend it like you have the right to boo and anti-racism gesture?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No I wouldn't but anybody who has attended football matches for the past 70 years knows when the poppy season is coming and when it ends.
The BLM kneel has been recently foisted upon folk at every Prem game and shows no signs of going away.
You are comparing apples with pears.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so the issue is that it is too regular and nobody knows when it will stop so people are more likely to boo it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You will also notice that despite it being explained that there is no affiliation, he still refers to it as the "BLM kneel" to allow him to try and claim political reasons for his dislike of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are banners at the ground and the logo on the tv. If the players want to get that removed then Rashford just needs to say like he did with the school dinners.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are also banners for sponsors and gambling firms at the ground, and adverts on the TV. You don't seem to see it as the BET365 taking the knee in association with Etihad.
Taking the knee is fine by me if players want to, but it is importing American identity politics into sport, which opens a can of worms.
I would not boo it, but would not want the group BLM near a sports stadium either.
And as certain black Ayers and clubs are saying no more kneeling, how long will it go on for?
There will always be one racist cretin on Twitter.
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
Once again people seem adamant to conflate the idea of not necessarily agreeing with something, and going out of your way to boo the idea that is represented.
I'm sure there are any number of people who don't think taking the knee is worthwhile, like Zaha. They might think it's not strong enough etc. How many of these people go out of their way to actively boo the gesture? Zaha certainly doesn't.
I don't wear poppies. I don't particularly like that they have been co-opted by groups like Britain First and the EDL. I don't care if others choose to wear a poppy to honour the war dead, that is their right. I don't go out of my way to boo and harass those who wear a poppy and then justify it by saying they must be wearing the poppy because they are members of a racist group, because that would be really stupid.
By the logic of PNE and Pawl we should be encouraged to go around booing and harassing the poppy wearers in the street because they are preaching at us by wearing a poppy and there is a tenuous link to the poppy and some racist groups, and that people are being forced to wear it even when they tell us it is their own choice to do so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh come on.
If you've paid good money to watch a football match thats very different to randomly walking down the street.
Thats like me saying wheres the gesture for gingers and fat people (medical not overeaters). Haha
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You see poppies everywhere, including at football games, would you support the booing of rememberance events at football games?
Would you defend it like you have the right to boo and anti-racism gesture?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No I wouldn't but anybody who has attended football matches for the past 70 years knows when the poppy season is coming and when it ends.
The BLM kneel has been recently foisted upon folk at every Prem game and shows no signs of going away.
You are comparing apples with pears.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so the issue is that it is too regular and nobody knows when it will stop so people are more likely to boo it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What if black players say enough?
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 4 minutes ago
Taking the knee is fine by me if players want to, but it is importing American identity politics into sport, which opens a can of worms.
I would not boo it, but would not want the group BLM near a sports stadium either.
And as certain black Ayers and clubs are saying no more kneeling, how long will it go on for?
There will always be one racist cretin on Twitter.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So you don’t want BLM in the stadiums (whatever the hell that means) but you’re ok with actual racists in the stadiums booing the players.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
Once again people seem adamant to conflate the idea of not necessarily agreeing with something, and going out of your way to boo the idea that is represented.
I'm sure there are any number of people who don't think taking the knee is worthwhile, like Zaha. They might think it's not strong enough etc. How many of these people go out of their way to actively boo the gesture? Zaha certainly doesn't.
I don't wear poppies. I don't particularly like that they have been co-opted by groups like Britain First and the EDL. I don't care if others choose to wear a poppy to honour the war dead, that is their right. I don't go out of my way to boo and harass those who wear a poppy and then justify it by saying they must be wearing the poppy because they are members of a racist group, because that would be really stupid.
By the logic of PNE and Pawl we should be encouraged to go around booing and harassing the poppy wearers in the street because they are preaching at us by wearing a poppy and there is a tenuous link to the poppy and some racist groups, and that people are being forced to wear it even when they tell us it is their own choice to do so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh come on.
If you've paid good money to watch a football match thats very different to randomly walking down the street.
Thats like me saying wheres the gesture for gingers and fat people (medical not overeaters). Haha
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You see poppies everywhere, including at football games, would you support the booing of rememberance events at football games?
Would you defend it like you have the right to boo and anti-racism gesture?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No I wouldn't but anybody who has attended football matches for the past 70 years knows when the poppy season is coming and when it ends.
The BLM kneel has been recently foisted upon folk at every Prem game and shows no signs of going away.
You are comparing apples with pears.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so the issue is that it is too regular and nobody knows when it will stop so people are more likely to boo it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What if black players say enough?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What if they don't?
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
Once again people seem adamant to conflate the idea of not necessarily agreeing with something, and going out of your way to boo the idea that is represented.
I'm sure there are any number of people who don't think taking the knee is worthwhile, like Zaha. They might think it's not strong enough etc. How many of these people go out of their way to actively boo the gesture? Zaha certainly doesn't.
I don't wear poppies. I don't particularly like that they have been co-opted by groups like Britain First and the EDL. I don't care if others choose to wear a poppy to honour the war dead, that is their right. I don't go out of my way to boo and harass those who wear a poppy and then justify it by saying they must be wearing the poppy because they are members of a racist group, because that would be really stupid.
By the logic of PNE and Pawl we should be encouraged to go around booing and harassing the poppy wearers in the street because they are preaching at us by wearing a poppy and there is a tenuous link to the poppy and some racist groups, and that people are being forced to wear it even when they tell us it is their own choice to do so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh come on.
If you've paid good money to watch a football match thats very different to randomly walking down the street.
Thats like me saying wheres the gesture for gingers and fat people (medical not overeaters). Haha
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You see poppies everywhere, including at football games, would you support the booing of rememberance events at football games?
Would you defend it like you have the right to boo and anti-racism gesture?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No I wouldn't but anybody who has attended football matches for the past 70 years knows when the poppy season is coming and when it ends.
The BLM kneel has been recently foisted upon folk at every Prem game and shows no signs of going away.
You are comparing apples with pears.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so the issue is that it is too regular and nobody knows when it will stop so people are more likely to boo it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You will also notice that despite it being explained that there is no affiliation, he still refers to it as the "BLM kneel" to allow him to try and claim political reasons for his dislike of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are banners at the ground and the logo on the tv. If the players want to get that removed then Rashford just needs to say like he did with the school dinners.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are also banners for sponsors and gambling firms at the ground, and adverts on the TV. You don't seem to see it as the BET365 taking the knee in association with Etihad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh dear, getting back to planet earth.
If there are BLM banners at the ground and the players are taking a knee you don't think some folk will make a connection?
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
Once again people seem adamant to conflate the idea of not necessarily agreeing with something, and going out of your way to boo the idea that is represented.
I'm sure there are any number of people who don't think taking the knee is worthwhile, like Zaha. They might think it's not strong enough etc. How many of these people go out of their way to actively boo the gesture? Zaha certainly doesn't.
I don't wear poppies. I don't particularly like that they have been co-opted by groups like Britain First and the EDL. I don't care if others choose to wear a poppy to honour the war dead, that is their right. I don't go out of my way to boo and harass those who wear a poppy and then justify it by saying they must be wearing the poppy because they are members of a racist group, because that would be really stupid.
By the logic of PNE and Pawl we should be encouraged to go around booing and harassing the poppy wearers in the street because they are preaching at us by wearing a poppy and there is a tenuous link to the poppy and some racist groups, and that people are being forced to wear it even when they tell us it is their own choice to do so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh come on.
If you've paid good money to watch a football match thats very different to randomly walking down the street.
Thats like me saying wheres the gesture for gingers and fat people (medical not overeaters). Haha
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You see poppies everywhere, including at football games, would you support the booing of rememberance events at football games?
Would you defend it like you have the right to boo and anti-racism gesture?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No I wouldn't but anybody who has attended football matches for the past 70 years knows when the poppy season is coming and when it ends.
The BLM kneel has been recently foisted upon folk at every Prem game and shows no signs of going away.
You are comparing apples with pears.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so the issue is that it is too regular and nobody knows when it will stop so people are more likely to boo it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You will also notice that despite it being explained that there is no affiliation, he still refers to it as the "BLM kneel" to allow him to try and claim political reasons for his dislike of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are banners at the ground and the logo on the tv. If the players want to get that removed then Rashford just needs to say like he did with the school dinners.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are also banners for sponsors and gambling firms at the ground, and adverts on the TV. You don't seem to see it as the BET365 taking the knee in association with Etihad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh dear, getting back to planet earth.
If there are BLM banners at the ground and the players are taking a knee you don't think some folk will make a connection?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm sure some folk will create a connection (as you have done) as they desperately scrabble to justify their dislike of equality.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What if black players say enough?
------‐----------------------------------
I think they're more like enough is enough, we not taking it silently anymore. I personally don't think they will stop until they see some real progress...
"It pays for some people to always have an opposing view. They revel in it. It's what the left are best at. To be the opposition. They can shout all day long and point the finger then."
It's a characteristic way of thinking.
Although I'm guilty of doing the opposite, it's best to ignore them, especially on a day like today.
----------------
Sensible advice from an earlier poster on this thread for dealing with closed minds for both sides of any debate. Though it should obvious who this is directed against.
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 22 minutes ago
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What if black players say enough?
------‐----------------------------------
I think they're more like enough is enough, we not taking it silently anymore. I personally don't think they will stop until they see some real progress...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Zaha spoke to say enough already with the knee.
Black players at Rangers said no more to Gerrard recent, so did not take a knee.
Other clubs and players gave said it has been done and there ate other ways to oppose racism...kick it out in place etc.
Take the knee came from American identity politics.
It is not set in stone and does not stop racism or racists.
If players want to keep doing it, so be it.
Some fans may equate the knee with a political movement, where people attack British culture and history from a 2021 false narrative, while labelling white people as racists.
Just sayin.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 22 minutes ago
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What if black players say enough?
------‐----------------------------------
I think they're more like enough is enough, we not taking it silently anymore. I personally don't think they will stop until they see some real progress...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Zaha spoke to say enough already with the knee.
Black players at Rangers said no more to Gerrard recent, so did not take a knee.
Other clubs and players gave said it has been done and there ate other ways to oppose racism...kick it out in place etc.
Take the knee came from American identity politics.
It is not set in stone and does not stop racism or racists.
If players want to keep doing it, so be it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So after all that, you answered your own questions. Players aren't being forced to do it so if they decide not to do it anymore they will stop (like Zaha).
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
Other clubs and players gave said it has been done and there ate other ways to oppose racism...kick it out in place etc
------‐----------------------------------------
If Kick it out was actually working, then racism wouldn't be getting worse and the players wouldn't feel the need to take a knee as well as work with Kick it Out.
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
Mixture of things.
Lack of education meaning people are more likely to blindly follow the rubbish in the racist rags? Life being harder for people financially and people blaming it on low hanging fruit rather than actually being able to identify the real cause of it?
comment by Just Shoot, now a Marxist (U10408)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 minute ago
Other clubs and players gave said it has been done and there ate other ways to oppose racism...kick it out in place etc
------‐----------------------------------------
If Kick it out was actually working, then racism wouldn't be getting worse and the players wouldn't feel the need to take a knee as well as work with Kick it Out.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why do you think racism is getting worse?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because I see, read and hear it getting worse with my own eyes and/OR its always been like this but just filmed nowadays..
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Just Shoot, now a Marxist (U10408)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 minute ago
Other clubs and players gave said it has been done and there ate other ways to oppose racism...kick it out in place etc
------‐----------------------------------------
If Kick it out was actually working, then racism wouldn't be getting worse and the players wouldn't feel the need to take a knee as well as work with Kick it Out.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why do you think racism is getting worse?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because I see, read and hear it getting worse with my own eyes and/OR its always been like this but just filmed nowadays..
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's greater capacity to be easily racist now via social media. I doubt most of these dullards bothered to write back in the day.
Sign in if you want to comment
Why the boos at the England matches?
Page 32 of 43
33 | 34 | 35 | 36 | 37
posted on 9/6/21
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
Once again people seem adamant to conflate the idea of not necessarily agreeing with something, and going out of your way to boo the idea that is represented.
I'm sure there are any number of people who don't think taking the knee is worthwhile, like Zaha. They might think it's not strong enough etc. How many of these people go out of their way to actively boo the gesture? Zaha certainly doesn't.
I don't wear poppies. I don't particularly like that they have been co-opted by groups like Britain First and the EDL. I don't care if others choose to wear a poppy to honour the war dead, that is their right. I don't go out of my way to boo and harass those who wear a poppy and then justify it by saying they must be wearing the poppy because they are members of a racist group, because that would be really stupid.
By the logic of PNE and Pawl we should be encouraged to go around booing and harassing the poppy wearers in the street because they are preaching at us by wearing a poppy and there is a tenuous link to the poppy and some racist groups, and that people are being forced to wear it even when they tell us it is their own choice to do so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh come on.
If you've paid good money to watch a football match thats very different to randomly walking down the street.
Thats like me saying wheres the gesture for gingers and fat people (medical not overeaters). Haha
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You see poppies everywhere, including at football games, would you support the booing of rememberance events at football games?
Would you defend it like you have the right to boo and anti-racism gesture?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No I wouldn't but anybody who has attended football matches for the past 70 years knows when the poppy season is coming and when it ends.
The BLM kneel has been recently foisted upon folk at every Prem game and shows no signs of going away.
You are comparing apples with pears.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so the issue is that it is too regular and nobody knows when it will stop so people are more likely to boo it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You will also notice that despite it being explained that there is no affiliation, he still refers to it as the "BLM kneel" to allow him to try and claim political reasons for his dislike of it.
posted on 9/6/21
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
Once again people seem adamant to conflate the idea of not necessarily agreeing with something, and going out of your way to boo the idea that is represented.
I'm sure there are any number of people who don't think taking the knee is worthwhile, like Zaha. They might think it's not strong enough etc. How many of these people go out of their way to actively boo the gesture? Zaha certainly doesn't.
I don't wear poppies. I don't particularly like that they have been co-opted by groups like Britain First and the EDL. I don't care if others choose to wear a poppy to honour the war dead, that is their right. I don't go out of my way to boo and harass those who wear a poppy and then justify it by saying they must be wearing the poppy because they are members of a racist group, because that would be really stupid.
By the logic of PNE and Pawl we should be encouraged to go around booing and harassing the poppy wearers in the street because they are preaching at us by wearing a poppy and there is a tenuous link to the poppy and some racist groups, and that people are being forced to wear it even when they tell us it is their own choice to do so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh come on.
If you've paid good money to watch a football match thats very different to randomly walking down the street.
Thats like me saying wheres the gesture for gingers and fat people (medical not overeaters). Haha
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You see poppies everywhere, including at football games, would you support the booing of rememberance events at football games?
Would you defend it like you have the right to boo and anti-racism gesture?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No I wouldn't but anybody who has attended football matches for the past 70 years knows when the poppy season is coming and when it ends.
The BLM kneel has been recently foisted upon folk at every Prem game and shows no signs of going away.
You are comparing apples with pears.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so the issue is that it is too regular and nobody knows when it will stop so people are more likely to boo it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wouldn't say its the issue but the more often something happens surely the more likely it is to annoy those who dislike it.
For example if I parked my car in next doors space he would probably tolerate it once or twice but if I did it everyday he'd be knocking on my door.
posted on 9/6/21
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
Once again people seem adamant to conflate the idea of not necessarily agreeing with something, and going out of your way to boo the idea that is represented.
I'm sure there are any number of people who don't think taking the knee is worthwhile, like Zaha. They might think it's not strong enough etc. How many of these people go out of their way to actively boo the gesture? Zaha certainly doesn't.
I don't wear poppies. I don't particularly like that they have been co-opted by groups like Britain First and the EDL. I don't care if others choose to wear a poppy to honour the war dead, that is their right. I don't go out of my way to boo and harass those who wear a poppy and then justify it by saying they must be wearing the poppy because they are members of a racist group, because that would be really stupid.
By the logic of PNE and Pawl we should be encouraged to go around booing and harassing the poppy wearers in the street because they are preaching at us by wearing a poppy and there is a tenuous link to the poppy and some racist groups, and that people are being forced to wear it even when they tell us it is their own choice to do so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh come on.
If you've paid good money to watch a football match thats very different to randomly walking down the street.
Thats like me saying wheres the gesture for gingers and fat people (medical not overeaters). Haha
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You see poppies everywhere, including at football games, would you support the booing of rememberance events at football games?
Would you defend it like you have the right to boo and anti-racism gesture?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No I wouldn't but anybody who has attended football matches for the past 70 years knows when the poppy season is coming and when it ends.
The BLM kneel has been recently foisted upon folk at every Prem game and shows no signs of going away.
You are comparing apples with pears.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so the issue is that it is too regular and nobody knows when it will stop so people are more likely to boo it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You will also notice that despite it being explained that there is no affiliation, he still refers to it as the "BLM kneel" to allow him to try and claim political reasons for his dislike of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are banners at the ground and the logo on the tv. If the players want to get that removed then Rashford just needs to say like he did with the school dinners.
posted on 9/6/21
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 9/6/21
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
Once again people seem adamant to conflate the idea of not necessarily agreeing with something, and going out of your way to boo the idea that is represented.
I'm sure there are any number of people who don't think taking the knee is worthwhile, like Zaha. They might think it's not strong enough etc. How many of these people go out of their way to actively boo the gesture? Zaha certainly doesn't.
I don't wear poppies. I don't particularly like that they have been co-opted by groups like Britain First and the EDL. I don't care if others choose to wear a poppy to honour the war dead, that is their right. I don't go out of my way to boo and harass those who wear a poppy and then justify it by saying they must be wearing the poppy because they are members of a racist group, because that would be really stupid.
By the logic of PNE and Pawl we should be encouraged to go around booing and harassing the poppy wearers in the street because they are preaching at us by wearing a poppy and there is a tenuous link to the poppy and some racist groups, and that people are being forced to wear it even when they tell us it is their own choice to do so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh come on.
If you've paid good money to watch a football match thats very different to randomly walking down the street.
Thats like me saying wheres the gesture for gingers and fat people (medical not overeaters). Haha
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You see poppies everywhere, including at football games, would you support the booing of rememberance events at football games?
Would you defend it like you have the right to boo and anti-racism gesture?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No I wouldn't but anybody who has attended football matches for the past 70 years knows when the poppy season is coming and when it ends.
The BLM kneel has been recently foisted upon folk at every Prem game and shows no signs of going away.
You are comparing apples with pears.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so the issue is that it is too regular and nobody knows when it will stop so people are more likely to boo it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You will also notice that despite it being explained that there is no affiliation, he still refers to it as the "BLM kneel" to allow him to try and claim political reasons for his dislike of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are banners at the ground and the logo on the tv. If the players want to get that removed then Rashford just needs to say like he did with the school dinners.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are also banners for sponsors and gambling firms at the ground, and adverts on the TV. You don't seem to see it as the BET365 taking the knee in association with Etihad.
posted on 9/6/21
Taking the knee is fine by me if players want to, but it is importing American identity politics into sport, which opens a can of worms.
I would not boo it, but would not want the group BLM near a sports stadium either.
And as certain black Ayers and clubs are saying no more kneeling, how long will it go on for?
There will always be one racist cretin on Twitter.
posted on 9/6/21
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
Once again people seem adamant to conflate the idea of not necessarily agreeing with something, and going out of your way to boo the idea that is represented.
I'm sure there are any number of people who don't think taking the knee is worthwhile, like Zaha. They might think it's not strong enough etc. How many of these people go out of their way to actively boo the gesture? Zaha certainly doesn't.
I don't wear poppies. I don't particularly like that they have been co-opted by groups like Britain First and the EDL. I don't care if others choose to wear a poppy to honour the war dead, that is their right. I don't go out of my way to boo and harass those who wear a poppy and then justify it by saying they must be wearing the poppy because they are members of a racist group, because that would be really stupid.
By the logic of PNE and Pawl we should be encouraged to go around booing and harassing the poppy wearers in the street because they are preaching at us by wearing a poppy and there is a tenuous link to the poppy and some racist groups, and that people are being forced to wear it even when they tell us it is their own choice to do so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh come on.
If you've paid good money to watch a football match thats very different to randomly walking down the street.
Thats like me saying wheres the gesture for gingers and fat people (medical not overeaters). Haha
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You see poppies everywhere, including at football games, would you support the booing of rememberance events at football games?
Would you defend it like you have the right to boo and anti-racism gesture?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No I wouldn't but anybody who has attended football matches for the past 70 years knows when the poppy season is coming and when it ends.
The BLM kneel has been recently foisted upon folk at every Prem game and shows no signs of going away.
You are comparing apples with pears.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so the issue is that it is too regular and nobody knows when it will stop so people are more likely to boo it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What if black players say enough?
posted on 9/6/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 4 minutes ago
Taking the knee is fine by me if players want to, but it is importing American identity politics into sport, which opens a can of worms.
I would not boo it, but would not want the group BLM near a sports stadium either.
And as certain black Ayers and clubs are saying no more kneeling, how long will it go on for?
There will always be one racist cretin on Twitter.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So you don’t want BLM in the stadiums (whatever the hell that means) but you’re ok with actual racists in the stadiums booing the players.
posted on 9/6/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
Once again people seem adamant to conflate the idea of not necessarily agreeing with something, and going out of your way to boo the idea that is represented.
I'm sure there are any number of people who don't think taking the knee is worthwhile, like Zaha. They might think it's not strong enough etc. How many of these people go out of their way to actively boo the gesture? Zaha certainly doesn't.
I don't wear poppies. I don't particularly like that they have been co-opted by groups like Britain First and the EDL. I don't care if others choose to wear a poppy to honour the war dead, that is their right. I don't go out of my way to boo and harass those who wear a poppy and then justify it by saying they must be wearing the poppy because they are members of a racist group, because that would be really stupid.
By the logic of PNE and Pawl we should be encouraged to go around booing and harassing the poppy wearers in the street because they are preaching at us by wearing a poppy and there is a tenuous link to the poppy and some racist groups, and that people are being forced to wear it even when they tell us it is their own choice to do so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh come on.
If you've paid good money to watch a football match thats very different to randomly walking down the street.
Thats like me saying wheres the gesture for gingers and fat people (medical not overeaters). Haha
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You see poppies everywhere, including at football games, would you support the booing of rememberance events at football games?
Would you defend it like you have the right to boo and anti-racism gesture?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No I wouldn't but anybody who has attended football matches for the past 70 years knows when the poppy season is coming and when it ends.
The BLM kneel has been recently foisted upon folk at every Prem game and shows no signs of going away.
You are comparing apples with pears.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so the issue is that it is too regular and nobody knows when it will stop so people are more likely to boo it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What if black players say enough?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What if they don't?
posted on 9/6/21
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 9/6/21
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
Once again people seem adamant to conflate the idea of not necessarily agreeing with something, and going out of your way to boo the idea that is represented.
I'm sure there are any number of people who don't think taking the knee is worthwhile, like Zaha. They might think it's not strong enough etc. How many of these people go out of their way to actively boo the gesture? Zaha certainly doesn't.
I don't wear poppies. I don't particularly like that they have been co-opted by groups like Britain First and the EDL. I don't care if others choose to wear a poppy to honour the war dead, that is their right. I don't go out of my way to boo and harass those who wear a poppy and then justify it by saying they must be wearing the poppy because they are members of a racist group, because that would be really stupid.
By the logic of PNE and Pawl we should be encouraged to go around booing and harassing the poppy wearers in the street because they are preaching at us by wearing a poppy and there is a tenuous link to the poppy and some racist groups, and that people are being forced to wear it even when they tell us it is their own choice to do so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh come on.
If you've paid good money to watch a football match thats very different to randomly walking down the street.
Thats like me saying wheres the gesture for gingers and fat people (medical not overeaters). Haha
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You see poppies everywhere, including at football games, would you support the booing of rememberance events at football games?
Would you defend it like you have the right to boo and anti-racism gesture?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No I wouldn't but anybody who has attended football matches for the past 70 years knows when the poppy season is coming and when it ends.
The BLM kneel has been recently foisted upon folk at every Prem game and shows no signs of going away.
You are comparing apples with pears.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so the issue is that it is too regular and nobody knows when it will stop so people are more likely to boo it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You will also notice that despite it being explained that there is no affiliation, he still refers to it as the "BLM kneel" to allow him to try and claim political reasons for his dislike of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are banners at the ground and the logo on the tv. If the players want to get that removed then Rashford just needs to say like he did with the school dinners.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are also banners for sponsors and gambling firms at the ground, and adverts on the TV. You don't seem to see it as the BET365 taking the knee in association with Etihad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh dear, getting back to planet earth.
If there are BLM banners at the ground and the players are taking a knee you don't think some folk will make a connection?
posted on 9/6/21
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
Once again people seem adamant to conflate the idea of not necessarily agreeing with something, and going out of your way to boo the idea that is represented.
I'm sure there are any number of people who don't think taking the knee is worthwhile, like Zaha. They might think it's not strong enough etc. How many of these people go out of their way to actively boo the gesture? Zaha certainly doesn't.
I don't wear poppies. I don't particularly like that they have been co-opted by groups like Britain First and the EDL. I don't care if others choose to wear a poppy to honour the war dead, that is their right. I don't go out of my way to boo and harass those who wear a poppy and then justify it by saying they must be wearing the poppy because they are members of a racist group, because that would be really stupid.
By the logic of PNE and Pawl we should be encouraged to go around booing and harassing the poppy wearers in the street because they are preaching at us by wearing a poppy and there is a tenuous link to the poppy and some racist groups, and that people are being forced to wear it even when they tell us it is their own choice to do so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh come on.
If you've paid good money to watch a football match thats very different to randomly walking down the street.
Thats like me saying wheres the gesture for gingers and fat people (medical not overeaters). Haha
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You see poppies everywhere, including at football games, would you support the booing of rememberance events at football games?
Would you defend it like you have the right to boo and anti-racism gesture?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No I wouldn't but anybody who has attended football matches for the past 70 years knows when the poppy season is coming and when it ends.
The BLM kneel has been recently foisted upon folk at every Prem game and shows no signs of going away.
You are comparing apples with pears.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so the issue is that it is too regular and nobody knows when it will stop so people are more likely to boo it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You will also notice that despite it being explained that there is no affiliation, he still refers to it as the "BLM kneel" to allow him to try and claim political reasons for his dislike of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are banners at the ground and the logo on the tv. If the players want to get that removed then Rashford just needs to say like he did with the school dinners.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are also banners for sponsors and gambling firms at the ground, and adverts on the TV. You don't seem to see it as the BET365 taking the knee in association with Etihad.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh dear, getting back to planet earth.
If there are BLM banners at the ground and the players are taking a knee you don't think some folk will make a connection?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm sure some folk will create a connection (as you have done) as they desperately scrabble to justify their dislike of equality.
posted on 9/6/21
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What if black players say enough?
------‐----------------------------------
I think they're more like enough is enough, we not taking it silently anymore. I personally don't think they will stop until they see some real progress...
posted on 9/6/21
"It pays for some people to always have an opposing view. They revel in it. It's what the left are best at. To be the opposition. They can shout all day long and point the finger then."
It's a characteristic way of thinking.
Although I'm guilty of doing the opposite, it's best to ignore them, especially on a day like today.
----------------
Sensible advice from an earlier poster on this thread for dealing with closed minds for both sides of any debate. Though it should obvious who this is directed against.
posted on 9/6/21
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 22 minutes ago
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What if black players say enough?
------‐----------------------------------
I think they're more like enough is enough, we not taking it silently anymore. I personally don't think they will stop until they see some real progress...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Zaha spoke to say enough already with the knee.
Black players at Rangers said no more to Gerrard recent, so did not take a knee.
Other clubs and players gave said it has been done and there ate other ways to oppose racism...kick it out in place etc.
Take the knee came from American identity politics.
It is not set in stone and does not stop racism or racists.
If players want to keep doing it, so be it.
posted on 9/6/21
Some fans may equate the knee with a political movement, where people attack British culture and history from a 2021 false narrative, while labelling white people as racists.
Just sayin.
posted on 9/6/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 22 minutes ago
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What if black players say enough?
------‐----------------------------------
I think they're more like enough is enough, we not taking it silently anymore. I personally don't think they will stop until they see some real progress...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Zaha spoke to say enough already with the knee.
Black players at Rangers said no more to Gerrard recent, so did not take a knee.
Other clubs and players gave said it has been done and there ate other ways to oppose racism...kick it out in place etc.
Take the knee came from American identity politics.
It is not set in stone and does not stop racism or racists.
If players want to keep doing it, so be it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So after all that, you answered your own questions. Players aren't being forced to do it so if they decide not to do it anymore they will stop (like Zaha).
posted on 9/6/21
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 9/6/21
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 9/6/21
Other clubs and players gave said it has been done and there ate other ways to oppose racism...kick it out in place etc
------‐----------------------------------------
If Kick it out was actually working, then racism wouldn't be getting worse and the players wouldn't feel the need to take a knee as well as work with Kick it Out.
posted on 9/6/21
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 9/6/21
Mixture of things.
Lack of education meaning people are more likely to blindly follow the rubbish in the racist rags? Life being harder for people financially and people blaming it on low hanging fruit rather than actually being able to identify the real cause of it?
posted on 9/6/21
comment by Just Shoot, now a Marxist (U10408)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 minute ago
Other clubs and players gave said it has been done and there ate other ways to oppose racism...kick it out in place etc
------‐----------------------------------------
If Kick it out was actually working, then racism wouldn't be getting worse and the players wouldn't feel the need to take a knee as well as work with Kick it Out.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why do you think racism is getting worse?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because I see, read and hear it getting worse with my own eyes and/OR its always been like this but just filmed nowadays..
posted on 9/6/21
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 9/6/21
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Just Shoot, now a Marxist (U10408)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 minute ago
Other clubs and players gave said it has been done and there ate other ways to oppose racism...kick it out in place etc
------‐----------------------------------------
If Kick it out was actually working, then racism wouldn't be getting worse and the players wouldn't feel the need to take a knee as well as work with Kick it Out.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why do you think racism is getting worse?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because I see, read and hear it getting worse with my own eyes and/OR its always been like this but just filmed nowadays..
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There's greater capacity to be easily racist now via social media. I doubt most of these dullards bothered to write back in the day.
Page 32 of 43
33 | 34 | 35 | 36 | 37