Dubbed The New Wenger -Sancti Cazorla (U9163)
comment by BusbysBabes (U9083)
But saying Gerrard was not world class because he relied more heavily on physicality rather than technique is nonsense.
Gerrard in his prime was up there with the best of his era, no doubt.
comment by INFAMOUS_NINJA (U5574)
As a whole though i would say Gerrard is more important to LFC as he is the poster boy of the club. As a box to box midfielder he was unrivalled but injuries have slowed him down too
comment by The_Red_Connoisseur (U9741)
Gerrard might be a classless oik who sold his wedding to a trashy mag and he often fraternises with the criminal elements of Liverpool but at his pomp, the lad could play.
The only indictment is perhaps his tactical indiscipline (seems to be a British malaise) but in his pomp, he could match any of the aforementioned.
comment by AlwaysUnited (U4063)
If a team could set a quick tempo, a peak Gerrard is a near perfect player to be box to box.
Energy, tackling, desire, off the ball movement, crisp passing, goals from inside or outside the box, even crosses on the overlap.
comment by Best Fans - 7 years of lies, BATES OUT (U2196)
Why do people always downplay English players' ability?
If Steven Gerrard was called Esteban Gerrardo and was from Spain people on here would be raving about him.
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None one agrees bar 1 or 2 scousers. That's what you wrote and I make things up?Took about 2 minutes. None of them scousers.
The accolades is not the be all and end all but to win so many adds credence whether you like it or not. You just don't get that many by being an average player. You've offered nothing.
You say he could not play on the continent but yet again can't back it up. The fact that he played 119 games scoring 39 goals whilst winning every European trophy available says otherwise and again back me up. You've offered nothing.
The most fundamentally flawed part of you entire presence on this thread is written below:
“It's called an opinion. And guess what? It's my opinion. Not some other "professionals". Maybe you should pay more attention to Garth Crooks and Pele.”
You wrote that. In essence you think you opinion means more than mine. More than everyone’s. Utter arrogance and yet with so little reason to be so. You’re incredibly pretentious. That’s not an insult – it’s an observation.
You won’t think you are but that’s then that’s very nature of it.
Your posts are simply hard to read now as they're a mess. I’m going to a party but it's been fun. I’ll start taking the names.
May I bet the first to say; sick burn
That Dubbed guy has been murdered throughout this thread and has demonstrated that he is utterly delusional by coming back for more and actually believing he was on top of the argument with ridiculous comments and nothing to back them up. What a tool.
I've noticed on previous threads x
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 31 minutes ago
I find it hilarious how one of the best, possibly the best way of classifying how good an individual player is, individual accolades is frowned upon in this thread.
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I'm of the opinion that it isn't always the best players that win these awards or make the teams of the season/tournament. Quite often it is the ones that are more flashy/popular/play for the biggest teams etc. Im not saying they are never correct, but I don't give them too much value.
If that's your opinion then it adds even more weight since Gerrard has received these awards whilst he hasn't been flashy, popular or played for the biggest team.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 18 minutes ago
If that's your opinion then it adds even more weight since Gerrard has received these awards whilst he hasn't been flashy, popular or played for the biggest team.
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Liverpool not a big team?
Gerrard not popular?
Really?
I also think it is interesting that Gerrard won a large percentage of these individual awards the seasons that he played in the right wing or as an SS.
I was only a teenager back then, but as I recall Platini played the classical no.10 role - I don't think it's fair to compare him with Pirlo, who plays a lot further from goal.
He certainly deserves to be in that list a lot more than many mentioned, though now he's been brought up here, Luis Fernandez, Jean Tigana and Alain Giresse all deserve mentioning imo. That French midfield is probably one of the best of all time, they were all great players.
I was only a teenager back then
...
Whoa, this story is going way back
Neeskins
Platini
Mazzola
Gerson
Rivelenho
Zico
Netzer
Matheus
Zidane
Tardelli
Hoeness
Hagi
British Player
Blanchflower
Charlton
Mackey
Baxter
Haynes
Realise a lot of you never saw them play so you cant comment on them but believe me Lamps & Gerrard decent though they have been are no where near as good as people on here suggest,
Souness
Robson
Bremner
Giles
Brady
Ball
Peters
Bell
were all better & thats just the ones i can think of now.
Gascoigne ? A complete waster & no more skilfull than Hudson, Currie, Brooking or Hoddle
Keane ? A bully & a thug would have been sorted right out in the 70s/80s
Scholes ? Pure class the best British midfielder for the last 25 years.
For me Gazza was over-rated.
For me Gazza was over-rated.
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If he wasnt British then he would not have got the hype. In any case he wasted his talent and does not deserve a mention. There are players who worked hard to get where they was, Gazza wasted his life and talent.
If he wasnt British then he would not have got the hype.
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So you agree on that then?
So you agree on that then?
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ok we agree on that
"That Dubbed guy has been murdered throughout this thread and has demonstrated that he is utterly delusional by coming back for more and actually believing he was on top of the argument with ridiculous comments and nothing to back them up. What a tool."
What a cheerleader. You've basically repeated what your boy Robbing did.
"But saying Gerrard was not world class because he relied more heavily on physicality rather than technique is nonsense."
.
Along with his lack of tactical know-how, limited creativity and intelligence on the ball.
He was still a very good player. And he was extremely efficient on his day.
"None one agrees bar 1 or 2 scousers. That's what you wrote and I make things up?Took about 2 minutes. None of them scousers."
How do any of those comments say anything about accolades?
What are we arguing over here? No one said Gerrard's a poor player.
In essence, none of those agreed with your point about awards and accolades.
So once again. Your point fails. Why on earth do you keep doing this to yourself?
You claim my argument is a "mess" yet you're jumping from point to point.
"You wrote that. In essence you think you opinion means more than mine. More than everyone’s. Utter arrogance and yet with so little reason to be so. You’re incredibly pretentious. That’s not an insult – it’s an observation.
You won’t think you are but that’s then that’s very nature of it."
Every man should have faith in himself. You should too, instead of relying on another man's take on things.
You know? Maybe you should be a psychologist or something. You think you have me figured out. You could be more of a success in that.
Enjoy your party.
"What a cheerleader. You've basically repeated what your boy Robbing did."
Another silly comment, I'm hardly Robbing's cheerleader, he filtered me a long time ago.
You just keep coming out with unfounded claims with no evidence. It's like you like in a different universe, created so that you can be correct in everything you say. You're not though, so you're wrong and that's where this word 'delusional' keeps popping up.
"Another silly comment, I'm hardly Robbing's cheerleader, he filtered me a long time ago. "
With good reason as well.
"You just keep coming out with unfounded claims with no evidence. It's like you like in a different universe, created so that you can be correct in everything you say. You're not though, so you're wrong and that's where this word 'delusional' keeps popping up.
Unfounded with no evidence? I've gone through it all with that other guy.
And your evidence is a few accolades here and few quotes here.
Hilarious that you're labeling me "deluded" though. That trait is something you Scousers are renown for.
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comment by Dubbed The New Wenger -Sancti Cazorla (U9163)
posted 42 minutes ago
"Another silly comment, I'm hardly Robbing's cheerleader, he filtered me a long time ago. "
With good reason as well.
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Again. You're making a habit of this unfounded claims. Actually I don't think it was a good reason at all. I was deemed not a real fan because I thought Kenny Dalglish was doing a bad job and needed replaced.
Our evidence is very simple and somewhat substantiated evidence. Individual world accolades which are consistently throughout history given to world class players, in fact never has a player who wasn't world class been included. Your evidence is, you simply don't think so from watching him. It's hilarious.
One player i did miss from the list and someone did mention him was Fernando Redondo. Possibly the most skilful defensive midfielder ever.
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posted on 4/9/12
Dubbed The New Wenger -Sancti Cazorla (U9163)
comment by BusbysBabes (U9083)
But saying Gerrard was not world class because he relied more heavily on physicality rather than technique is nonsense.
Gerrard in his prime was up there with the best of his era, no doubt.
comment by INFAMOUS_NINJA (U5574)
As a whole though i would say Gerrard is more important to LFC as he is the poster boy of the club. As a box to box midfielder he was unrivalled but injuries have slowed him down too
comment by The_Red_Connoisseur (U9741)
Gerrard might be a classless oik who sold his wedding to a trashy mag and he often fraternises with the criminal elements of Liverpool but at his pomp, the lad could play.
The only indictment is perhaps his tactical indiscipline (seems to be a British malaise) but in his pomp, he could match any of the aforementioned.
comment by AlwaysUnited (U4063)
If a team could set a quick tempo, a peak Gerrard is a near perfect player to be box to box.
Energy, tackling, desire, off the ball movement, crisp passing, goals from inside or outside the box, even crosses on the overlap.
comment by Best Fans - 7 years of lies, BATES OUT (U2196)
Why do people always downplay English players' ability?
If Steven Gerrard was called Esteban Gerrardo and was from Spain people on here would be raving about him.
--------------
Back from work
None one agrees bar 1 or 2 scousers. That's what you wrote and I make things up?Took about 2 minutes. None of them scousers.
The accolades is not the be all and end all but to win so many adds credence whether you like it or not. You just don't get that many by being an average player. You've offered nothing.
You say he could not play on the continent but yet again can't back it up. The fact that he played 119 games scoring 39 goals whilst winning every European trophy available says otherwise and again back me up. You've offered nothing.
The most fundamentally flawed part of you entire presence on this thread is written below:
“It's called an opinion. And guess what? It's my opinion. Not some other "professionals". Maybe you should pay more attention to Garth Crooks and Pele.”
You wrote that. In essence you think you opinion means more than mine. More than everyone’s. Utter arrogance and yet with so little reason to be so. You’re incredibly pretentious. That’s not an insult – it’s an observation.
You won’t think you are but that’s then that’s very nature of it.
Your posts are simply hard to read now as they're a mess. I’m going to a party but it's been fun. I’ll start taking the names.
posted on 4/9/12
May I bet the first to say; sick burn
posted on 4/9/12
That Dubbed guy has been murdered throughout this thread and has demonstrated that he is utterly delusional by coming back for more and actually believing he was on top of the argument with ridiculous comments and nothing to back them up. What a tool.
posted on 4/9/12
I've noticed on previous threads x
posted on 4/9/12
John Obi-Mikel.
posted on 4/9/12
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 31 minutes ago
I find it hilarious how one of the best, possibly the best way of classifying how good an individual player is, individual accolades is frowned upon in this thread.
--------------------
I'm of the opinion that it isn't always the best players that win these awards or make the teams of the season/tournament. Quite often it is the ones that are more flashy/popular/play for the biggest teams etc. Im not saying they are never correct, but I don't give them too much value.
posted on 4/9/12
If that's your opinion then it adds even more weight since Gerrard has received these awards whilst he hasn't been flashy, popular or played for the biggest team.
posted on 4/9/12
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 18 minutes ago
If that's your opinion then it adds even more weight since Gerrard has received these awards whilst he hasn't been flashy, popular or played for the biggest team.
--------------------
Liverpool not a big team?
Gerrard not popular?
Really?
I also think it is interesting that Gerrard won a large percentage of these individual awards the seasons that he played in the right wing or as an SS.
posted on 4/9/12
I was only a teenager back then, but as I recall Platini played the classical no.10 role - I don't think it's fair to compare him with Pirlo, who plays a lot further from goal.
He certainly deserves to be in that list a lot more than many mentioned, though now he's been brought up here, Luis Fernandez, Jean Tigana and Alain Giresse all deserve mentioning imo. That French midfield is probably one of the best of all time, they were all great players.
posted on 4/9/12
Lampard > Gerrard.
posted on 4/9/12
I was only a teenager back then
...
Whoa, this story is going way back
posted on 4/9/12
¡Cabrón! <laugh
posted on 4/9/12
Neeskins
Platini
Mazzola
Gerson
Rivelenho
Zico
Netzer
Matheus
Zidane
Tardelli
Hoeness
Hagi
British Player
Blanchflower
Charlton
Mackey
Baxter
Haynes
Realise a lot of you never saw them play so you cant comment on them but believe me Lamps & Gerrard decent though they have been are no where near as good as people on here suggest,
Souness
Robson
Bremner
Giles
Brady
Ball
Peters
Bell
were all better & thats just the ones i can think of now.
Gascoigne ? A complete waster & no more skilfull than Hudson, Currie, Brooking or Hoddle
Keane ? A bully & a thug would have been sorted right out in the 70s/80s
Scholes ? Pure class the best British midfielder for the last 25 years.
posted on 4/9/12
For me Gazza was over-rated.
posted on 4/9/12
For me Gazza was over-rated.
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If he wasnt British then he would not have got the hype. In any case he wasted his talent and does not deserve a mention. There are players who worked hard to get where they was, Gazza wasted his life and talent.
posted on 4/9/12
If he wasnt British then he would not have got the hype.
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So you agree on that then?
posted on 4/9/12
So you agree on that then?
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ok we agree on that
posted on 4/9/12
"That Dubbed guy has been murdered throughout this thread and has demonstrated that he is utterly delusional by coming back for more and actually believing he was on top of the argument with ridiculous comments and nothing to back them up. What a tool."
What a cheerleader. You've basically repeated what your boy Robbing did.
"But saying Gerrard was not world class because he relied more heavily on physicality rather than technique is nonsense."
.
Along with his lack of tactical know-how, limited creativity and intelligence on the ball.
He was still a very good player. And he was extremely efficient on his day.
"None one agrees bar 1 or 2 scousers. That's what you wrote and I make things up?Took about 2 minutes. None of them scousers."
How do any of those comments say anything about accolades?
What are we arguing over here? No one said Gerrard's a poor player.
In essence, none of those agreed with your point about awards and accolades.
So once again. Your point fails. Why on earth do you keep doing this to yourself?
You claim my argument is a "mess" yet you're jumping from point to point.
"You wrote that. In essence you think you opinion means more than mine. More than everyone’s. Utter arrogance and yet with so little reason to be so. You’re incredibly pretentious. That’s not an insult – it’s an observation.
You won’t think you are but that’s then that’s very nature of it."
Every man should have faith in himself. You should too, instead of relying on another man's take on things.
You know? Maybe you should be a psychologist or something. You think you have me figured out. You could be more of a success in that.
Enjoy your party.
posted on 4/9/12
"What a cheerleader. You've basically repeated what your boy Robbing did."
Another silly comment, I'm hardly Robbing's cheerleader, he filtered me a long time ago.
You just keep coming out with unfounded claims with no evidence. It's like you like in a different universe, created so that you can be correct in everything you say. You're not though, so you're wrong and that's where this word 'delusional' keeps popping up.
posted on 4/9/12
Xavi and investa.
posted on 4/9/12
"Another silly comment, I'm hardly Robbing's cheerleader, he filtered me a long time ago. "
With good reason as well.
"You just keep coming out with unfounded claims with no evidence. It's like you like in a different universe, created so that you can be correct in everything you say. You're not though, so you're wrong and that's where this word 'delusional' keeps popping up.
Unfounded with no evidence? I've gone through it all with that other guy.
And your evidence is a few accolades here and few quotes here.
Hilarious that you're labeling me "deluded" though. That trait is something you Scousers are renown for.
posted on 4/9/12
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posted on 4/9/12
comment by Dubbed The New Wenger -Sancti Cazorla (U9163)
posted 42 minutes ago
"Another silly comment, I'm hardly Robbing's cheerleader, he filtered me a long time ago. "
With good reason as well.
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Again. You're making a habit of this unfounded claims. Actually I don't think it was a good reason at all. I was deemed not a real fan because I thought Kenny Dalglish was doing a bad job and needed replaced.
Our evidence is very simple and somewhat substantiated evidence. Individual world accolades which are consistently throughout history given to world class players, in fact never has a player who wasn't world class been included. Your evidence is, you simply don't think so from watching him. It's hilarious.
posted on 5/9/12
One player i did miss from the list and someone did mention him was Fernando Redondo. Possibly the most skilful defensive midfielder ever.
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