THIS ARTICLE IS SO BADLY CRYING OUT FOR VIDICSHIN
90% percent of the comments on this thread shout of idiocy.
Try saying 'Irish wristwatch' quickly
Oh, trophy count does not have any bearing whatsoever on a single players personal abilty
Matt Le Tissier was a beautiful player who stayed at Southampton all his career through personal choice. That doesn't mean his ability was any less
"Won a few cups? The majority of which are second rate cup competitions? I'm sorry, but I think that people over-exaggerate his impact because of the running about he does/did. No doubt he has been the club's talisman for many years and if not for him, then they probably wouldn't have won as many trophies in that time. However, the fact that he could inspire them to cups, but not the league kind of emphasises my view - he is great on his day when the pace of the game suits him. But over the course of a league season when you will encounter some games that require more footballing nuance, he is found wanting."
Gerrard is without a doubt the most overrated English player in recent years.
I remember when he had that decent season in 08, people were mentioning him alongside Messi. Always found that amusing.
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Gerrard was a great player guys, what he lacks in intelligence the likes of Xavi, Scholes have, he makes up for in physicality. Instead of controlling games his drive, power and timing for the big moments are unquestionable.
He also has that charisma the likes of Keane posess, to lead from the front and bring the best out of team mates, something that cannot be learnt or taught.
Very different players but he was a GREAT player. Don't judge him on his last 3 years like people seem to with Scholes.
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Its not always the ability. At this stage just having Gerrard in the team sheet gives Liverpool a boost, albeit not a great one these days but to say he is average is ludicrous. The guy has been fantastic, granted he is not that technically great, but his drive and engine has been amazing. Plus the guy has stayed loyal to his club and not moved when he could have.
Dubbed The New Wenger -Sancti Cazorla (U9163)
The person comparing him to Messi was Zidane.
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Johan Neeskens
Didi
Michael Laudrup
Zico
Bobby Charlton
Lothar Matthaus
Gerson
Paul Breitner
Raymond Kopa
Ruud Gullit
Rivelino
Frank Rijkaard
Arie Haan
Matthias Sammer
Armando Picchi
Nils Liedholm
Marco Tardelli
Fernando Redondo
Danny Blanchflower
Jozsef Bozsik
Enzo Francescoli
Truly great midfielders, of course Xavi, Iniesta, Zidane, Scoles and Keane are/were too.
"The person comparing him to Messi was Zidane. "
Fans were doing it too.
Surely somebody who has never won a league titles should probably not be considered one of THE greats though?
Its only the wums as well that are questioning the Gerrard inclusion.
Hippo, Dubbed, Andre, Elvis...
BusbysBabes (U9083)
I agree. Don't get me wrong I think the tempo players like Scholes and Xavi are awesome but football takes different types of players.
Gerrards drive and leadership and willingness to take a game by the scruff of the neck should not be overlooked.
I find it weird that people like Fergie and Zidane say the exact same thing but some tubby keyboard warriors who probably have to PAY to play football think otherwise.
Surely somebody who has never won a league titles should probably not be considered one of THE greats though?
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You cant just say he is not great because he never won a league title. Scholes is amazing but did nothing on international level whereas Zidane did.
A lot of undeserving players won the premiership.
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Why are people on about leadership, determination, etc?
Typical English mentality.
Bring up attitude attributes to make up for the lack of ability.
If I say a striker's not good.
"So? He works hard."
Tubby keyboard warriors
Seriously though, can't you just accept that a few people don't think Gerrard is one of the best CMs EVER.
Premiership, no doubt, he is right up there... but ever?!
Why are people on about leadership, determination, etc?
Typical English mentality.
Bring up attitude attributes to make up for the lack of ability.
If I say a striker's not good.
"So? He works hard."
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A technical player with no mental ability is no good either.
I see your point, but where Gerrard lacked the technicality he made up for with drive and determination.
Not everyone is blessed with Xavi-esque technique.
Gerrard has been an excellent player. Many of the comments knocking him down show partisan bias. However, I have always felt his attributes make him more effective as an attacking player than as an all-round central midfielder. What he does better than most is drive forward, try out difficult progressive passes, shoot from range. You get more from him if he has licence to do this with quite a bit of freedom. The Euros showed that he can play a more disciplined and patient game too. But I don't think he shines in that role to the same extent as he did when e.g. played in front of Alonso and Mascherano. Indeed, I don't think he is as good as those two players in a deep-lying duo.
Anyway, it's a bit disappointing that a thread about the greatest midfielder of all time has turned into a debate about Gerrard. Surely his biggest fan isn't going to make that claim.
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Why are people on about leadership, determination, etc?
Typical English mentality.
Bring up attitude attributes to make up for the lack of ability.
This is England's problem. It starts with primary school kids coach's. Long way to go to solve it.
Gerrard = European club player of the year.
You don't win those if you're not world class
Not as technically gifted as the likes of Xavi but got others things to his game.
andre's samba scarf (U6253)
I'm not sure he is ever but then I'm not sure many many of the players listed are and no-one has a problem with them. Strange isn't it.
Dubbed The New Wenger -Sancti Cazorla (U9163)
You need to sort you head out. No technical ability - the guy with nearly 700 first class games under his belt with a better striker rate than scholes.
As said - I'm going to go with Fergie and Zidane over a bitter warrior.
>.but if he had won the league with LFC then i think he would be revered more.
I understand this is how people think, but I find it an absurd argument when purely talking about the talent of an individual.
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posted on 4/9/12
THIS ARTICLE IS SO BADLY CRYING OUT FOR VIDICSHIN
90% percent of the comments on this thread shout of idiocy.
posted on 4/9/12
Try saying 'Irish wristwatch' quickly
Oh, trophy count does not have any bearing whatsoever on a single players personal abilty
Matt Le Tissier was a beautiful player who stayed at Southampton all his career through personal choice. That doesn't mean his ability was any less
posted on 4/9/12
"Won a few cups? The majority of which are second rate cup competitions? I'm sorry, but I think that people over-exaggerate his impact because of the running about he does/did. No doubt he has been the club's talisman for many years and if not for him, then they probably wouldn't have won as many trophies in that time. However, the fact that he could inspire them to cups, but not the league kind of emphasises my view - he is great on his day when the pace of the game suits him. But over the course of a league season when you will encounter some games that require more footballing nuance, he is found wanting."
Gerrard is without a doubt the most overrated English player in recent years.
I remember when he had that decent season in 08, people were mentioning him alongside Messi. Always found that amusing.
posted on 4/9/12
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posted on 4/9/12
Gerrard was a great player guys, what he lacks in intelligence the likes of Xavi, Scholes have, he makes up for in physicality. Instead of controlling games his drive, power and timing for the big moments are unquestionable.
He also has that charisma the likes of Keane posess, to lead from the front and bring the best out of team mates, something that cannot be learnt or taught.
Very different players but he was a GREAT player. Don't judge him on his last 3 years like people seem to with Scholes.
posted on 4/9/12
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posted on 4/9/12
Its not always the ability. At this stage just having Gerrard in the team sheet gives Liverpool a boost, albeit not a great one these days but to say he is average is ludicrous. The guy has been fantastic, granted he is not that technically great, but his drive and engine has been amazing. Plus the guy has stayed loyal to his club and not moved when he could have.
posted on 4/9/12
Dubbed The New Wenger -Sancti Cazorla (U9163)
The person comparing him to Messi was Zidane.
posted on 4/9/12
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posted on 4/9/12
Johan Neeskens
Didi
Michael Laudrup
Zico
Bobby Charlton
Lothar Matthaus
Gerson
Paul Breitner
Raymond Kopa
Ruud Gullit
Rivelino
Frank Rijkaard
Arie Haan
Matthias Sammer
Armando Picchi
Nils Liedholm
Marco Tardelli
Fernando Redondo
Danny Blanchflower
Jozsef Bozsik
Enzo Francescoli
Truly great midfielders, of course Xavi, Iniesta, Zidane, Scoles and Keane are/were too.
posted on 4/9/12
"The person comparing him to Messi was Zidane. "
Fans were doing it too.
posted on 4/9/12
Surely somebody who has never won a league titles should probably not be considered one of THE greats though?
posted on 4/9/12
Its only the wums as well that are questioning the Gerrard inclusion.
Hippo, Dubbed, Andre, Elvis...
posted on 4/9/12
BusbysBabes (U9083)
I agree. Don't get me wrong I think the tempo players like Scholes and Xavi are awesome but football takes different types of players.
Gerrards drive and leadership and willingness to take a game by the scruff of the neck should not be overlooked.
I find it weird that people like Fergie and Zidane say the exact same thing but some tubby keyboard warriors who probably have to PAY to play football think otherwise.
posted on 4/9/12
Surely somebody who has never won a league titles should probably not be considered one of THE greats though?
-----------------------
You cant just say he is not great because he never won a league title. Scholes is amazing but did nothing on international level whereas Zidane did.
A lot of undeserving players won the premiership.
posted on 4/9/12
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posted on 4/9/12
Why are people on about leadership, determination, etc?
Typical English mentality.
Bring up attitude attributes to make up for the lack of ability.
If I say a striker's not good.
"So? He works hard."
posted on 4/9/12
Tubby keyboard warriors
Seriously though, can't you just accept that a few people don't think Gerrard is one of the best CMs EVER.
Premiership, no doubt, he is right up there... but ever?!
posted on 4/9/12
Why are people on about leadership, determination, etc?
Typical English mentality.
Bring up attitude attributes to make up for the lack of ability.
If I say a striker's not good.
"So? He works hard."
-----------------------------
A technical player with no mental ability is no good either.
I see your point, but where Gerrard lacked the technicality he made up for with drive and determination.
Not everyone is blessed with Xavi-esque technique.
posted on 4/9/12
Gerrard has been an excellent player. Many of the comments knocking him down show partisan bias. However, I have always felt his attributes make him more effective as an attacking player than as an all-round central midfielder. What he does better than most is drive forward, try out difficult progressive passes, shoot from range. You get more from him if he has licence to do this with quite a bit of freedom. The Euros showed that he can play a more disciplined and patient game too. But I don't think he shines in that role to the same extent as he did when e.g. played in front of Alonso and Mascherano. Indeed, I don't think he is as good as those two players in a deep-lying duo.
Anyway, it's a bit disappointing that a thread about the greatest midfielder of all time has turned into a debate about Gerrard. Surely his biggest fan isn't going to make that claim.
posted on 4/9/12
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posted on 4/9/12
Why are people on about leadership, determination, etc?
Typical English mentality.
Bring up attitude attributes to make up for the lack of ability.
This is England's problem. It starts with primary school kids coach's. Long way to go to solve it.
posted on 4/9/12
Gerrard = European club player of the year.
You don't win those if you're not world class
Not as technically gifted as the likes of Xavi but got others things to his game.
posted on 4/9/12
andre's samba scarf (U6253)
I'm not sure he is ever but then I'm not sure many many of the players listed are and no-one has a problem with them. Strange isn't it.
Dubbed The New Wenger -Sancti Cazorla (U9163)
You need to sort you head out. No technical ability - the guy with nearly 700 first class games under his belt with a better striker rate than scholes.
As said - I'm going to go with Fergie and Zidane over a bitter warrior.
posted on 4/9/12
>.but if he had won the league with LFC then i think he would be revered more.
I understand this is how people think, but I find it an absurd argument when purely talking about the talent of an individual.
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