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posted on 30/3/15

So you think it would be okay to set up Mein Kampf Recuitment services whilst employing only aryan people because he chooses to?

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I don't think the PR would be great; but sure, why not?

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 30/3/15

comment by Robbing_Hoody - putting the bureaucracy into footballism since 1979 (U6374)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Robbing_Hoody - putting the bureaucracy into footballism since 1979 (U6374)
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Elvis (U7425)

Good shout. Any others. Maybe I should have said two. In history.
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Chris Hughton - Newcastle.
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He was caretaker first though wasn't he. Two though - that's pretty good across the entirety of Europe to be fair.
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Again, how many managers in the PL started out in the PL or one of the major nations equivalents?

Sheerwood is the only one off the top of my head, and he was a caretaker too.....

posted on 30/3/15

So you agreed with apartheid I take it? Because that is the choice?

posted on 30/3/15

Again, how many managers in the PL started out in the PL or one of the major nations equivalents?
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Loads. Dozens if you stretch it to the championship. We're talking across Europe here and there have been two. Two.

As said I've posted the stats.

posted on 30/3/15

So you agreed with apartheid I take it?

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Jesus H Christ... There's quite a jump between advocating for the freedom of a business owner to employ who he/she chooses, and supporting apartheid. Get a grip.

comment by Shugs (U14253)

posted on 30/3/15

comment by Robbing_Hoody - putting the bureaucracy into footballism since 1979 (U6374)
posted 8 minutes ago
Elvis (U7425)

Good shout. Any others. Maybe I should have said two. In history.
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Barnes himself at Celtic?

posted on 30/3/15

No it's not Flash.

So I'm a bus company and I don't want black people to have a seat ahead of white people because that's my choice.

I run a bar and only want whites in because I want to be around other people of my "heritage" because apparently that would make me more comfortable anmd that is my choice.

That's what aparteid is Flash.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 30/3/15

comment by Robbing_Hoody - putting the bureaucracy into footballism since 1979 (U6374)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - putting the bureaucracy into footballism since 1979 (U6374)
posted 40 seconds ago
Elvis (U7425)

Good shout. Any others. Maybe I should have said two. In history.
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Chris Hughton - Newcastle.
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He was caretaker first though wasn't he. Two though - that's pretty good across the entirety of Europe to be fair.
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To be fair Robbing, I read an article late last year that said only 9 British based black coaches hold a UEFA Pro Licence. And one of them is dead.

Maybe not enough black coaches are getting themselves the proper qualifications?

posted on 30/3/15

As said Busby I've posted the stats.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 30/3/15

comment by Robbing_Hoody - putting the bureaucracy into footballism since 1979 (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Again, how many managers in the PL started out in the PL or one of the major nations equivalents?
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Loads. Dozens if you stretch it to the championship. We're talking across Europe here and there have been two. Two.

As said I've posted the stats.
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I am sure that there has been more than 2. I have provided 2, but I'm not some expert on every team in Europe. Also, if we are going down the Championship, then you can add in Powell at Charlton off the top of my head.

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 30/3/15

comment by Robbing_Hoody - putting the bureaucracy into footballism since 1979 (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Again, how many managers in the PL started out in the PL or one of the major nations equivalents?
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Loads. Dozens if you stretch it to the championship. We're talking across Europe here and there have been two. Two.

As said I've posted the stats.
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How many are deserving though?

The only good black manager in recent history I can think of is Frank Rijkaard.

You can point to other black people not getting chances at big clubs, but like I said the world best started out at the bottom too.

posted on 30/3/15

Maybe if he was a better manager he'd still be in work

posted on 30/3/15

Charlton were in league one at the time.

I bet Drogba will become a manager. Let's see where he ends up and what he is offered. Similar to Hasslebank I suspect.

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 30/3/15

"Maybe not enough black coaches are getting themselves the proper qualifications?"

No maybe about it, it's common fecking sense.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 30/3/15

Yep Riijard is another exampled. Started with Holland didn't he?

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 30/3/15

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 24 seconds ago
Yep Riijard is another exampled. Started with Holland didn't he?
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Yep.

posted on 30/3/15

Busby the fact we can name all the black managers off the top of our head is telling in itself.

It's great that people don't think there is a problem but literally every other bit of empirical evidence says otherwise along with various anecdotal pieces of evidence from the people who have been through the process themselves..... we have not.

posted on 30/3/15

comment by Robbing_Hoody - putting the bureaucracy into footballism since 1979 (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
No it's not Flash.

So I'm a bus company and I don't want black people to have a seat ahead of white people because that's my choice.

I run a bar and only want whites in because I want to be around other people of my "heritage" because apparently that would make me more comfortable anmd that is my choice.

That's what aparteid is Flash.
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We aren't talking about bar owners or buses barring black people. We are talking about a business owner employing whomever he/she so chooses to work for the company that is HIS/HER livelihood.

posted on 30/3/15

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 54 seconds ago
Yep Riijard is another exampled. Started with Holland didn't he?
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But we're talking strictly about the UK arent we..?

posted on 30/3/15

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
"Maybe not enough black coaches are getting themselves the proper qualifications?"

No maybe about it, it's common fecking sense.
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But they are.

comment by Jay. (U16498)

posted on 30/3/15

Is it then racist if you look at it the other way around?

The owner of an Indian restaurant will only employ other Indians - is that racist, or down to his choice?

posted on 30/3/15

We aren't talking about bar owners or buses barring black people. We are talking about a business owner employing whomever he/she so chooses to work for the company that is HIS/HER livelihood
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So there are different types of discrimination now flash?. This will be interesting.

Which discrimination is okay and which isn't just so I'm clear.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 30/3/15

comment by Mr Chelsea ✪ (U3579)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 54 seconds ago
Yep Riijard is another exampled. Started with Holland didn't he?
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But we're talking strictly about the UK arent we..?
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Well we were, but Robbing asked for examples further afield.

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 30/3/15

comment by Robbing_Hoody - putting the bureaucracy into footballism since 1979 (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Charlton were in league one at the time.

I bet Drogba will become a manager. Let's see where he ends up and what he is offered. Similar to Hasslebank I suspect.
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And why shouldn't be start in the lower leagues?

Like I said, not a single one of the best managers in the world started out in a top job. They all started off at small clubs or as a member of the coaching staff. This is normal, and there are loads of black coaches out there at all levels.

Wolves had a black manager in for 6 months after sacking Mick McCarthey, he failed and went back down the pecking order. Does that not count because it was a caretaker job?

posted on 30/3/15

Clarence Seedorf got a job with AC Milan. No prior experience. Didnt last though.

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