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comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
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On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
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But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
comment by Sir Bob's Back......For this week at least (U3823)
posted 8 minutes ago
The stupidity of people astounds me.
Racism means, and i quote the cambridge dictionary here, 'policies, behaviours, rules, etc. that result in a continued unfair advantage to some people and unfair or harmful treatment of others based on race.
So if white people are being discriminated against in job adverts then that is racism.
There's no such thing as positive racism there's only racism.
These people should be forced every day to repeat the mantra...
If you want to stop racism
You've got to stop being racist.
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To be fair, the point of the positive action scheme in the first place was to stop exactly that too. I’d question the BBC’s use of it slightly though.
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
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But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
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So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Oranje Boven - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
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But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
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So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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I wouldn't say so, that's just more Stepin Fetchit. Like I said, it's a good discussion to have, but in the context of this thread, saying 'Idris Elba not black enough according to BBC' is misleading.
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
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But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
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So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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What? You mean not all black people talk like a Jamaican, suck their teeth, walk with a limp and have their trousers round their knees?
MIND BLOWN!!
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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You're not far wrong, I remember a channel 4 news interview where 2 black women were claiming the Royal Family are racist because Meghan Markle wasn't dark enough, this was well before the Oprah interview.
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posted 19 minutes ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
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But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
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So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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I wasn’t aware that Luther was supposed to be about a black police officer. I thought it was about a police officer that had a lot of ‘demons’, who happened to be played by a black person. The way I see it he got the role because he was good at playing that dark, slightly unhinged character.
In which case he got the role purely on merit. Which is what everything should be based on.
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Red pixels (U11867)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 32 seconds ago
That article also says "In March (2017), the government urged employers and businesses to do more to improve BAME diversity voluntarily within their organisations – or face the prospect of mandatory diversity requirements."
It won't stop the Daily Mail crowd foaming at the mouth about the BBC, but non half-wits should understand the context.
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It's a joke. The best person should get the job it should be as simple as that, shouldn't matter if they are white or black or disabled or a tranny.
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Agreed. But no midgets though, let’s not get too silly about it.
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What about dwarves or pixies?
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Red pixels (U11867)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 32 seconds ago
That article also says "In March (2017), the government urged employers and businesses to do more to improve BAME diversity voluntarily within their organisations – or face the prospect of mandatory diversity requirements."
It won't stop the Daily Mail crowd foaming at the mouth about the BBC, but non half-wits should understand the context.
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It's a joke. The best person should get the job it should be as simple as that, shouldn't matter if they are white or black or disabled or a tranny.
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Agreed. But no midgets though, let’s not get too silly about it.
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I disagree, you have to have someone you can throw around the office….
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
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But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
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So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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I wasn’t aware that Luther was supposed to be about a black police officer. I thought it was about a police officer that had a lot of ‘demons’, who happened to be played by a black person. The way I see it he got the role because he was good at playing that dark, slightly unhinged character.
In which case he got the role purely on merit. Which is what everything should be based on.
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That's pretty much what Miranda Wayland was getting at, Term. Her point was really about what Luther as a drama wasn't, which was seized on by the usual suspects.
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posted 15 seconds ago
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What about dwarves or pixies?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G2Juq5iumY
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posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 15 seconds ago
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What about dwarves or pixies?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G2Juq5iumY
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Exactly what I was thinking.
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posted 3 seconds ago
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posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 32 seconds ago
That article also says "In March (2017), the government urged employers and businesses to do more to improve BAME diversity voluntarily within their organisations – or face the prospect of mandatory diversity requirements."
It won't stop the Daily Mail crowd foaming at the mouth about the BBC, but non half-wits should understand the context.
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It's a joke. The best person should get the job it should be as simple as that, shouldn't matter if they are white or black or disabled or a tranny.
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Agreed. But no midgets though, let’s not get too silly about it.
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What about dwarves or pixies?
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They all look the same to me, therefore I discriminate against all of them all in the spirits of equality.
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You're not selling yourself short here
Maybe they have enough white folk working for them. Maybe this is affirmative action.
How else are they supposed to do it? They want a diverse workforce and people of colour don't apply for these jobs in huge numbers. The industry is already white dominated. What more do you want?
I'm sure there's a resonable explanation.
Many years ago my grand uncle only got a job as a prosecutor in the states because they wanted to increase the number of non white prosecutors.
Lots of white people complained about that mode of recruitment, even though the job was full of white people but thank heavens they didn't listen and encouraged non white lawyers to apply.
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comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 32 seconds ago
That article also says "In March (2017), the government urged employers and businesses to do more to improve BAME diversity voluntarily within their organisations – or face the prospect of mandatory diversity requirements."
It won't stop the Daily Mail crowd foaming at the mouth about the BBC, but non half-wits should understand the context.
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It's a joke. The best person should get the job it should be as simple as that, shouldn't matter if they are white or black or disabled or a tranny.
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Agreed. But no midgets though, let’s not get too silly about it.
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What about dwarves or pixies?
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They all look the same to me, therefore I discriminate against all of them all in the spirits of equality.
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You're not selling yourself short here
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I once caught my Missus kissing a midget, didn’t think she could stoop so low.
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Was he happy or grumpy?
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posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 15 seconds ago
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What about dwarves or pixies?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G2Juq5iumY
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Exactly what I was thinking.
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worrying times for both of us
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comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
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But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
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So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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I wasn’t aware that Luther was supposed to be about a black police officer. I thought it was about a police officer that had a lot of ‘demons’, who happened to be played by a black person. The way I see it he got the role because he was good at playing that dark, slightly unhinged character.
In which case he got the role purely on merit. Which is what everything should be based on.
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That's pretty much what Miranda Wayland was getting at, Term. Her point was really about what Luther as a drama wasn't, which was seized on by the usual suspects.
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So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
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posted 32 seconds ago
That article also says "In March (2017), the government urged employers and businesses to do more to improve BAME diversity voluntarily within their organisations – or face the prospect of mandatory diversity requirements."
It won't stop the Daily Mail crowd foaming at the mouth about the BBC, but non half-wits should understand the context.
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It's a joke. The best person should get the job it should be as simple as that, shouldn't matter if they are white or black or disabled or a tranny.
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Agreed. But no midgets though, let’s not get too silly about it.
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What about dwarves or pixies?
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They all look the same to me, therefore I discriminate against all of them all in the spirits of equality.
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You're not selling yourself short here
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Midget gems, it takes all sorts.
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comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
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But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
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So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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I wasn’t aware that Luther was supposed to be about a black police officer. I thought it was about a police officer that had a lot of ‘demons’, who happened to be played by a black person. The way I see it he got the role because he was good at playing that dark, slightly unhinged character.
In which case he got the role purely on merit. Which is what everything should be based on.
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That's pretty much what Miranda Wayland was getting at, Term. Her point was really about what Luther as a drama wasn't, which was seized on by the usual suspects.
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So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
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I'm just as confused as you.
I think it just highlights the make up of some of these advisors at the BBC. It's an insight.
Anyway, nearly time to wack the midget porrn on.
They talk about the best person for the job but its not rare for non whites to be passed over for jobs or.promotions even when they are the best person for the job.
Subconsciously biased, or even consciously biased employers must be forced to overcome that bias whose existence they don't even acknowledge.
The best person for the job is a utopian concept because that's not always how it works in real life.
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On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
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But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
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So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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I wasn’t aware that Luther was supposed to be about a black police officer. I thought it was about a police officer that had a lot of ‘demons’, who happened to be played by a black person. The way I see it he got the role because he was good at playing that dark, slightly unhinged character.
In which case he got the role purely on merit. Which is what everything should be based on.
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That's pretty much what Miranda Wayland was getting at, Term. Her point was really about what Luther as a drama wasn't, which was seized on by the usual suspects.
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So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
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Pretty much. From what I gather, she said that that Luther wasn't an 'authentic black lead', and they could do with shows that do have one. It's a good debate to have, as people have rightly said that you can stray into stereotype territory if you're not careful.
My issue was with the simplistic 'BBC say Idris Elba not black enough' interpretation.
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On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
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But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
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So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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I wasn’t aware that Luther was supposed to be about a black police officer. I thought it was about a police officer that had a lot of ‘demons’, who happened to be played by a black person. The way I see it he got the role because he was good at playing that dark, slightly unhinged character.
In which case he got the role purely on merit. Which is what everything should be based on.
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That's pretty much what Miranda Wayland was getting at, Term. Her point was really about what Luther as a drama wasn't, which was seized on by the usual suspects.
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So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
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What is black culture?
Not aimed at you Term, but the more woke among us.
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posted on 15/6/21
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Oranje Boven - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
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But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Sir Bob's Back......For this week at least (U3823)
posted 8 minutes ago
The stupidity of people astounds me.
Racism means, and i quote the cambridge dictionary here, 'policies, behaviours, rules, etc. that result in a continued unfair advantage to some people and unfair or harmful treatment of others based on race.
So if white people are being discriminated against in job adverts then that is racism.
There's no such thing as positive racism there's only racism.
These people should be forced every day to repeat the mantra...
If you want to stop racism
You've got to stop being racist.
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To be fair, the point of the positive action scheme in the first place was to stop exactly that too. I’d question the BBC’s use of it slightly though.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Oranje Boven - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
posted on 15/6/21
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Oranje Boven - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
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So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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I wouldn't say so, that's just more Stepin Fetchit. Like I said, it's a good discussion to have, but in the context of this thread, saying 'Idris Elba not black enough according to BBC' is misleading.
posted on 15/6/21
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posted on 15/6/21
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Oranje Boven - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
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So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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What? You mean not all black people talk like a Jamaican, suck their teeth, walk with a limp and have their trousers round their knees?
MIND BLOWN!!
posted on 15/6/21
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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You're not far wrong, I remember a channel 4 news interview where 2 black women were claiming the Royal Family are racist because Meghan Markle wasn't dark enough, this was well before the Oprah interview.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Oranje Boven - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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I wasn’t aware that Luther was supposed to be about a black police officer. I thought it was about a police officer that had a lot of ‘demons’, who happened to be played by a black person. The way I see it he got the role because he was good at playing that dark, slightly unhinged character.
In which case he got the role purely on merit. Which is what everything should be based on.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Red pixels (U11867)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 32 seconds ago
That article also says "In March (2017), the government urged employers and businesses to do more to improve BAME diversity voluntarily within their organisations – or face the prospect of mandatory diversity requirements."
It won't stop the Daily Mail crowd foaming at the mouth about the BBC, but non half-wits should understand the context.
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It's a joke. The best person should get the job it should be as simple as that, shouldn't matter if they are white or black or disabled or a tranny.
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Agreed. But no midgets though, let’s not get too silly about it.
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What about dwarves or pixies?
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Red pixels (U11867)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 32 seconds ago
That article also says "In March (2017), the government urged employers and businesses to do more to improve BAME diversity voluntarily within their organisations – or face the prospect of mandatory diversity requirements."
It won't stop the Daily Mail crowd foaming at the mouth about the BBC, but non half-wits should understand the context.
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It's a joke. The best person should get the job it should be as simple as that, shouldn't matter if they are white or black or disabled or a tranny.
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Agreed. But no midgets though, let’s not get too silly about it.
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I disagree, you have to have someone you can throw around the office….
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Oranje Boven - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wasn’t aware that Luther was supposed to be about a black police officer. I thought it was about a police officer that had a lot of ‘demons’, who happened to be played by a black person. The way I see it he got the role because he was good at playing that dark, slightly unhinged character.
In which case he got the role purely on merit. Which is what everything should be based on.
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That's pretty much what Miranda Wayland was getting at, Term. Her point was really about what Luther as a drama wasn't, which was seized on by the usual suspects.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 15 seconds ago
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What about dwarves or pixies?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G2Juq5iumY
posted on 15/6/21
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posted on 15/6/21
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 15 seconds ago
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What about dwarves or pixies?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G2Juq5iumY
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Exactly what I was thinking.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Red pixels (U11867)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 32 seconds ago
That article also says "In March (2017), the government urged employers and businesses to do more to improve BAME diversity voluntarily within their organisations – or face the prospect of mandatory diversity requirements."
It won't stop the Daily Mail crowd foaming at the mouth about the BBC, but non half-wits should understand the context.
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It's a joke. The best person should get the job it should be as simple as that, shouldn't matter if they are white or black or disabled or a tranny.
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Agreed. But no midgets though, let’s not get too silly about it.
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What about dwarves or pixies?
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They all look the same to me, therefore I discriminate against all of them all in the spirits of equality.
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You're not selling yourself short here
posted on 15/6/21
Maybe they have enough white folk working for them. Maybe this is affirmative action.
How else are they supposed to do it? They want a diverse workforce and people of colour don't apply for these jobs in huge numbers. The industry is already white dominated. What more do you want?
I'm sure there's a resonable explanation.
Many years ago my grand uncle only got a job as a prosecutor in the states because they wanted to increase the number of non white prosecutors.
Lots of white people complained about that mode of recruitment, even though the job was full of white people but thank heavens they didn't listen and encouraged non white lawyers to apply.
posted on 15/6/21
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posted on 15/6/21
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Red pixels (U11867)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 32 seconds ago
That article also says "In March (2017), the government urged employers and businesses to do more to improve BAME diversity voluntarily within their organisations – or face the prospect of mandatory diversity requirements."
It won't stop the Daily Mail crowd foaming at the mouth about the BBC, but non half-wits should understand the context.
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It's a joke. The best person should get the job it should be as simple as that, shouldn't matter if they are white or black or disabled or a tranny.
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Agreed. But no midgets though, let’s not get too silly about it.
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What about dwarves or pixies?
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They all look the same to me, therefore I discriminate against all of them all in the spirits of equality.
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You're not selling yourself short here
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I once caught my Missus kissing a midget, didn’t think she could stoop so low.
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Was he happy or grumpy?
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 15 seconds ago
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What about dwarves or pixies?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G2Juq5iumY
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Exactly what I was thinking.
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worrying times for both of us
posted on 15/6/21
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Oranje Boven - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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----------------------------------------------------------------------
The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wasn’t aware that Luther was supposed to be about a black police officer. I thought it was about a police officer that had a lot of ‘demons’, who happened to be played by a black person. The way I see it he got the role because he was good at playing that dark, slightly unhinged character.
In which case he got the role purely on merit. Which is what everything should be based on.
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That's pretty much what Miranda Wayland was getting at, Term. Her point was really about what Luther as a drama wasn't, which was seized on by the usual suspects.
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So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
posted on 15/6/21
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Ace (U22467)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Red pixels (U11867)
posted 2 hours, 20 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 32 seconds ago
That article also says "In March (2017), the government urged employers and businesses to do more to improve BAME diversity voluntarily within their organisations – or face the prospect of mandatory diversity requirements."
It won't stop the Daily Mail crowd foaming at the mouth about the BBC, but non half-wits should understand the context.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's a joke. The best person should get the job it should be as simple as that, shouldn't matter if they are white or black or disabled or a tranny.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed. But no midgets though, let’s not get too silly about it.
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What about dwarves or pixies?
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They all look the same to me, therefore I discriminate against all of them all in the spirits of equality.
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You're not selling yourself short here
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Midget gems, it takes all sorts.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Oranje Boven - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wasn’t aware that Luther was supposed to be about a black police officer. I thought it was about a police officer that had a lot of ‘demons’, who happened to be played by a black person. The way I see it he got the role because he was good at playing that dark, slightly unhinged character.
In which case he got the role purely on merit. Which is what everything should be based on.
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That's pretty much what Miranda Wayland was getting at, Term. Her point was really about what Luther as a drama wasn't, which was seized on by the usual suspects.
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So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
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I'm just as confused as you.
I think it just highlights the make up of some of these advisors at the BBC. It's an insight.
Anyway, nearly time to wack the midget porrn on.
posted on 15/6/21
They talk about the best person for the job but its not rare for non whites to be passed over for jobs or.promotions even when they are the best person for the job.
Subconsciously biased, or even consciously biased employers must be forced to overcome that bias whose existence they don't even acknowledge.
The best person for the job is a utopian concept because that's not always how it works in real life.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Oranje Boven - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wasn’t aware that Luther was supposed to be about a black police officer. I thought it was about a police officer that had a lot of ‘demons’, who happened to be played by a black person. The way I see it he got the role because he was good at playing that dark, slightly unhinged character.
In which case he got the role purely on merit. Which is what everything should be based on.
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That's pretty much what Miranda Wayland was getting at, Term. Her point was really about what Luther as a drama wasn't, which was seized on by the usual suspects.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
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Pretty much. From what I gather, she said that that Luther wasn't an 'authentic black lead', and they could do with shows that do have one. It's a good debate to have, as people have rightly said that you can stray into stereotype territory if you're not careful.
My issue was with the simplistic 'BBC say Idris Elba not black enough' interpretation.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Oranje Boven - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
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So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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I wasn’t aware that Luther was supposed to be about a black police officer. I thought it was about a police officer that had a lot of ‘demons’, who happened to be played by a black person. The way I see it he got the role because he was good at playing that dark, slightly unhinged character.
In which case he got the role purely on merit. Which is what everything should be based on.
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That's pretty much what Miranda Wayland was getting at, Term. Her point was really about what Luther as a drama wasn't, which was seized on by the usual suspects.
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So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
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What is black culture?
Not aimed at you Term, but the more woke among us.
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