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Maybe they have enough white folk working for them. Maybe this is affirmative action.
How else are they supposed to do it? They want a diverse workforce and people of colour don't apply for these jobs in huge numbers. The industry is already white dominated. What more do you want?
I'm sure there's a resonable explanation.
Many years ago my grand uncle only got a job as a prosecutor in the states because they wanted to increase the number of non white prosecutors.
Lots of white people complained about that mode of recruitment, even though the job was full of white people but thank heavens they didn't listen and encouraged non white lawyers to apply.
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Maybe they have enough white folk working for them? FFS
So what happens when they hit whatever quota they’ve decided? Will their adverts start saying ‘white folks are now permitted to apply for jobs again’?
How else are they supposed to do it? I’m against any kind of discrimination, so giving the best person available the job works for me. If that means a 99% black workplace then fine.
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On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
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But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
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So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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I wasn’t aware that Luther was supposed to be about a black police officer. I thought it was about a police officer that had a lot of ‘demons’, who happened to be played by a black person. The way I see it he got the role because he was good at playing that dark, slightly unhinged character.
In which case he got the role purely on merit. Which is what everything should be based on.
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That's pretty much what Miranda Wayland was getting at, Term. Her point was really about what Luther as a drama wasn't, which was seized on by the usual suspects.
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So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
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What is black culture?
Not aimed at you Term, but the more woke among us.
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Are you asking because you genuinely don't know any of the the elements that make up the British black cultural experience?
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On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
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But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
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So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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I wasn’t aware that Luther was supposed to be about a black police officer. I thought it was about a police officer that had a lot of ‘demons’, who happened to be played by a black person. The way I see it he got the role because he was good at playing that dark, slightly unhinged character.
In which case he got the role purely on merit. Which is what everything should be based on.
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That's pretty much what Miranda Wayland was getting at, Term. Her point was really about what Luther as a drama wasn't, which was seized on by the usual suspects.
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So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
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Pretty much. From what I gather, she said that that Luther wasn't an 'authentic black lead', and they could do with shows that do have one. It's a good debate to have, as people have rightly said that you can stray into stereotype territory if you're not careful.
My issue was with the simplistic 'BBC say Idris Elba not black enough' interpretation.
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So why was she banging on about the fact he isn't black enough because he hasn't got any black friends or doesn't eat jerk chicken
She doesn't sound the full ticket let's be honest.
I think it depends on whether we’re being stereotypical or not?
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On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
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But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
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So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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I wasn’t aware that Luther was supposed to be about a black police officer. I thought it was about a police officer that had a lot of ‘demons’, who happened to be played by a black person. The way I see it he got the role because he was good at playing that dark, slightly unhinged character.
In which case he got the role purely on merit. Which is what everything should be based on.
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That's pretty much what Miranda Wayland was getting at, Term. Her point was really about what Luther as a drama wasn't, which was seized on by the usual suspects.
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So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
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Pretty much. From what I gather, she said that that Luther wasn't an 'authentic black lead', and they could do with shows that do have one. It's a good debate to have, as people have rightly said that you can stray into stereotype territory if you're not careful.
My issue was with the simplistic 'BBC say Idris Elba not black enough' interpretation.
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The world is mad....Will Smith gets the same light skinned crap.
Friday Night Dinner was about a north London Jewish family getting together every week, and were they all Jewish?
Not one....but it's acting.
Billy plays in NI were about a protestant loyalist working class neighbourhood, but were all actors Protestant, nope.
Can a straight actor play a gay role or vice versa....of course.
Would love to hear a middle class white BBC person define what is is to be black, LMAO.
So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
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Its not as simple as that. Clearly there's stuff that you just don't understand and perhaps never will. Just suck it up.
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Would love to hear a middle class white BBC person define what is is to be black, LMAO.
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just attend the next bbc agm
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On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
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But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
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So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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I wasn’t aware that Luther was supposed to be about a black police officer. I thought it was about a police officer that had a lot of ‘demons’, who happened to be played by a black person. The way I see it he got the role because he was good at playing that dark, slightly unhinged character.
In which case he got the role purely on merit. Which is what everything should be based on.
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That's pretty much what Miranda Wayland was getting at, Term. Her point was really about what Luther as a drama wasn't, which was seized on by the usual suspects.
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So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
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Pretty much. From what I gather, she said that that Luther wasn't an 'authentic black lead', and they could do with shows that do have one. It's a good debate to have, as people have rightly said that you can stray into stereotype territory if you're not careful.
My issue was with the simplistic 'BBC say Idris Elba not black enough' interpretation.
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The world is mad....Will Smith gets the same light skinned crap.
Friday Night Dinner was about a north London Jewish family getting together every week, and were they all Jewish?
Not one....but it's acting.
Billy plays in NI were about a protestant loyalist working class neighbourhood, but were all actors Protestant, nope.
Can a straight actor play a gay role or vice versa....of course.
Would love to hear a middle class white BBC person define what is is to be black, LMAO.
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For the record, Friday Night Dinner. What a load of Bollox
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Would love to hear a middle class white BBC person define what is is to be black, LMAO.
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just attend the next bbc agm
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Am barred, mate.
For my BBC=Better Be Celtic, Rangers protest.
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So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
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Its not as simple as that. Clearly there's stuff that you just don't understand and perhaps never will. Just suck it up.
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It is that simple unless you’ve got your head firmly stuck up your rear entrance, and believe any agenda that doesn’t fit your own is racist 👍
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
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But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
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So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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I wasn’t aware that Luther was supposed to be about a black police officer. I thought it was about a police officer that had a lot of ‘demons’, who happened to be played by a black person. The way I see it he got the role because he was good at playing that dark, slightly unhinged character.
In which case he got the role purely on merit. Which is what everything should be based on.
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That's pretty much what Miranda Wayland was getting at, Term. Her point was really about what Luther as a drama wasn't, which was seized on by the usual suspects.
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So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
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Pretty much. From what I gather, she said that that Luther wasn't an 'authentic black lead', and they could do with shows that do have one. It's a good debate to have, as people have rightly said that you can stray into stereotype territory if you're not careful.
My issue was with the simplistic 'BBC say Idris Elba not black enough' interpretation.
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The world is mad....Will Smith gets the same light skinned crap.
Friday Night Dinner was about a north London Jewish family getting together every week, and were they all Jewish?
Not one....but it's acting.
Billy plays in NI were about a protestant loyalist working class neighbourhood, but were all actors Protestant, nope.
Can a straight actor play a gay role or vice versa....of course.
Would love to hear a middle class white BBC person define what is is to be black, LMAO.
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For the record, Friday Night Dinner. What a load of Bollox
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Not a fan...I loved it.
The world is mad....Will Smith gets the same light skinned crap.
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Does he?
Never heard it myself. Will Smith isn't even a light skinned black person.
Her point was although there was diversity in the casting, there wasn’t in the character, it’s not that difficult a premise to grasp.
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The world is mad....Will Smith gets the same light skinned crap.
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Does he?
Never heard it myself. Will Smith isn't even a light skinned black person.
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will smith is white?!
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Her point was although there was diversity in the casting, there wasn’t in the character, it’s not that difficult a premise to grasp.
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I grasp it fine, i just don’t agree that everything has to highlight some kind of diversity.
Yeah, that's what I said.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
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But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
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So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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What? You mean not all black people talk like a Jamaican, suck their teeth, walk with a limp and have their trousers round their knees?
MIND BLOWN!!
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Sound's like my Grandad.
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Her point was although there was diversity in the casting, there wasn’t in the character, it’s not that difficult a premise to grasp.
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I grasp it fine, i just don’t agree that everything has to highlight some kind of diversity.
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Its not everything though is it? But you must be feeling like it's everything.
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So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
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Its not as simple as that. Clearly there's stuff that you just don't understand and perhaps never will. Just suck it up.
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It is that simple unless you’ve got your head firmly stuck up your rear entrance, and believe any agenda that doesn’t fit your own is racist 👍
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Term.
"You would not understand", is patronizing and lazy, so let us ask kloppy what mere mortals misunderstand?
The floor is yours, kloppy.
Could you tell me what black culture or being black enough, as the beeb describe, means?
Is it something a white person could never fathom?
But a mixed race person would half get?
Enlighten us on race identity.
Without knowing the exact ins and outs (which nobody here does - but it hasn’t stopped the hysteria from a lot of people playing victim); maybe springwatch wanted to diversify their workforce to broaden its target audience? (It’s just a crazy thought, I know).
I know of podcasts who’ve done similar as they realised their demographic was 25-50 year old white males, and then managed to expand successfully.
Don't you talk to me about victimisation. Nobody's blacker than me, son.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
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But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
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So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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What? You mean not all black people talk like a Jamaican, suck their teeth, walk with a limp and have their trousers round their knees?
MIND BLOWN!!
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Sound's like my Grandad.
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I do all of the above.
Must be black?
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Don't you talk to me about victimisation. Nobody's blacker than me, son.
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So he is.
Ted is so black, he went white.
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comment by meltonblue (U10617)
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Her point was although there was diversity in the casting, there wasn’t in the character, it’s not that difficult a premise to grasp.
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I grasp it fine, i just don’t agree that everything has to highlight some kind of diversity.
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Neither did she.
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Her point was although there was diversity in the casting, there wasn’t in the character, it’s not that difficult a premise to grasp.
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I grasp it fine, i just don’t agree that everything has to highlight some kind of diversity.
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Its not everything though is it? But you must be feeling like it's everything.
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It’s a figure of speech. But then you already know that, don’t you? Though certainly in your case ‘everything would be pretty accurate’.
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comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
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Maybe they have enough white folk working for them. Maybe this is affirmative action.
How else are they supposed to do it? They want a diverse workforce and people of colour don't apply for these jobs in huge numbers. The industry is already white dominated. What more do you want?
I'm sure there's a resonable explanation.
Many years ago my grand uncle only got a job as a prosecutor in the states because they wanted to increase the number of non white prosecutors.
Lots of white people complained about that mode of recruitment, even though the job was full of white people but thank heavens they didn't listen and encouraged non white lawyers to apply.
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Maybe they have enough white folk working for them? FFS
So what happens when they hit whatever quota they’ve decided? Will their adverts start saying ‘white folks are now permitted to apply for jobs again’?
How else are they supposed to do it? I’m against any kind of discrimination, so giving the best person available the job works for me. If that means a 99% black workplace then fine.
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On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
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But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
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So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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I wasn’t aware that Luther was supposed to be about a black police officer. I thought it was about a police officer that had a lot of ‘demons’, who happened to be played by a black person. The way I see it he got the role because he was good at playing that dark, slightly unhinged character.
In which case he got the role purely on merit. Which is what everything should be based on.
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That's pretty much what Miranda Wayland was getting at, Term. Her point was really about what Luther as a drama wasn't, which was seized on by the usual suspects.
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So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
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What is black culture?
Not aimed at you Term, but the more woke among us.
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Are you asking because you genuinely don't know any of the the elements that make up the British black cultural experience?
posted on 15/6/21
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comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
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But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
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So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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I wasn’t aware that Luther was supposed to be about a black police officer. I thought it was about a police officer that had a lot of ‘demons’, who happened to be played by a black person. The way I see it he got the role because he was good at playing that dark, slightly unhinged character.
In which case he got the role purely on merit. Which is what everything should be based on.
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That's pretty much what Miranda Wayland was getting at, Term. Her point was really about what Luther as a drama wasn't, which was seized on by the usual suspects.
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So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
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Pretty much. From what I gather, she said that that Luther wasn't an 'authentic black lead', and they could do with shows that do have one. It's a good debate to have, as people have rightly said that you can stray into stereotype territory if you're not careful.
My issue was with the simplistic 'BBC say Idris Elba not black enough' interpretation.
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So why was she banging on about the fact he isn't black enough because he hasn't got any black friends or doesn't eat jerk chicken
She doesn't sound the full ticket let's be honest.
posted on 15/6/21
I think it depends on whether we’re being stereotypical or not?
posted on 15/6/21
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posted 19 minutes ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
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But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
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So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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I wasn’t aware that Luther was supposed to be about a black police officer. I thought it was about a police officer that had a lot of ‘demons’, who happened to be played by a black person. The way I see it he got the role because he was good at playing that dark, slightly unhinged character.
In which case he got the role purely on merit. Which is what everything should be based on.
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That's pretty much what Miranda Wayland was getting at, Term. Her point was really about what Luther as a drama wasn't, which was seized on by the usual suspects.
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So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
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Pretty much. From what I gather, she said that that Luther wasn't an 'authentic black lead', and they could do with shows that do have one. It's a good debate to have, as people have rightly said that you can stray into stereotype territory if you're not careful.
My issue was with the simplistic 'BBC say Idris Elba not black enough' interpretation.
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The world is mad....Will Smith gets the same light skinned crap.
Friday Night Dinner was about a north London Jewish family getting together every week, and were they all Jewish?
Not one....but it's acting.
Billy plays in NI were about a protestant loyalist working class neighbourhood, but were all actors Protestant, nope.
Can a straight actor play a gay role or vice versa....of course.
Would love to hear a middle class white BBC person define what is is to be black, LMAO.
posted on 15/6/21
So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
-_---
Its not as simple as that. Clearly there's stuff that you just don't understand and perhaps never will. Just suck it up.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
Would love to hear a middle class white BBC person define what is is to be black, LMAO.
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just attend the next bbc agm
posted on 15/6/21
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posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Oranje Boven - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
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But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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I wasn’t aware that Luther was supposed to be about a black police officer. I thought it was about a police officer that had a lot of ‘demons’, who happened to be played by a black person. The way I see it he got the role because he was good at playing that dark, slightly unhinged character.
In which case he got the role purely on merit. Which is what everything should be based on.
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That's pretty much what Miranda Wayland was getting at, Term. Her point was really about what Luther as a drama wasn't, which was seized on by the usual suspects.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
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Pretty much. From what I gather, she said that that Luther wasn't an 'authentic black lead', and they could do with shows that do have one. It's a good debate to have, as people have rightly said that you can stray into stereotype territory if you're not careful.
My issue was with the simplistic 'BBC say Idris Elba not black enough' interpretation.
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The world is mad....Will Smith gets the same light skinned crap.
Friday Night Dinner was about a north London Jewish family getting together every week, and were they all Jewish?
Not one....but it's acting.
Billy plays in NI were about a protestant loyalist working class neighbourhood, but were all actors Protestant, nope.
Can a straight actor play a gay role or vice versa....of course.
Would love to hear a middle class white BBC person define what is is to be black, LMAO.
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For the record, Friday Night Dinner. What a load of Bollox
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
Would love to hear a middle class white BBC person define what is is to be black, LMAO.
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just attend the next bbc agm
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Am barred, mate.
For my BBC=Better Be Celtic, Rangers protest.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
-_---
Its not as simple as that. Clearly there's stuff that you just don't understand and perhaps never will. Just suck it up.
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It is that simple unless you’ve got your head firmly stuck up your rear entrance, and believe any agenda that doesn’t fit your own is racist 👍
posted on 15/6/21
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posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Oranje Boven - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wasn’t aware that Luther was supposed to be about a black police officer. I thought it was about a police officer that had a lot of ‘demons’, who happened to be played by a black person. The way I see it he got the role because he was good at playing that dark, slightly unhinged character.
In which case he got the role purely on merit. Which is what everything should be based on.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's pretty much what Miranda Wayland was getting at, Term. Her point was really about what Luther as a drama wasn't, which was seized on by the usual suspects.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
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Pretty much. From what I gather, she said that that Luther wasn't an 'authentic black lead', and they could do with shows that do have one. It's a good debate to have, as people have rightly said that you can stray into stereotype territory if you're not careful.
My issue was with the simplistic 'BBC say Idris Elba not black enough' interpretation.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The world is mad....Will Smith gets the same light skinned crap.
Friday Night Dinner was about a north London Jewish family getting together every week, and were they all Jewish?
Not one....but it's acting.
Billy plays in NI were about a protestant loyalist working class neighbourhood, but were all actors Protestant, nope.
Can a straight actor play a gay role or vice versa....of course.
Would love to hear a middle class white BBC person define what is is to be black, LMAO.
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For the record, Friday Night Dinner. What a load of Bollox
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Not a fan...I loved it.
posted on 15/6/21
The world is mad....Will Smith gets the same light skinned crap.
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Does he?
Never heard it myself. Will Smith isn't even a light skinned black person.
posted on 15/6/21
Her point was although there was diversity in the casting, there wasn’t in the character, it’s not that difficult a premise to grasp.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 second ago
The world is mad....Will Smith gets the same light skinned crap.
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Does he?
Never heard it myself. Will Smith isn't even a light skinned black person.
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will smith is white?!
posted on 15/6/21
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 36 seconds ago
Her point was although there was diversity in the casting, there wasn’t in the character, it’s not that difficult a premise to grasp.
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I grasp it fine, i just don’t agree that everything has to highlight some kind of diversity.
posted on 15/6/21
Yeah, that's what I said.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by The God Fowler (U2538)
posted 3 minutes ago
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posted 50 seconds ago
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posted 4 seconds ago
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comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Oranje Boven - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
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But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
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So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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What? You mean not all black people talk like a Jamaican, suck their teeth, walk with a limp and have their trousers round their knees?
MIND BLOWN!!
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Sound's like my Grandad.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 36 seconds ago
Her point was although there was diversity in the casting, there wasn’t in the character, it’s not that difficult a premise to grasp.
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I grasp it fine, i just don’t agree that everything has to highlight some kind of diversity.
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Its not everything though is it? But you must be feeling like it's everything.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
-_---
Its not as simple as that. Clearly there's stuff that you just don't understand and perhaps never will. Just suck it up.
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It is that simple unless you’ve got your head firmly stuck up your rear entrance, and believe any agenda that doesn’t fit your own is racist 👍
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Term.
"You would not understand", is patronizing and lazy, so let us ask kloppy what mere mortals misunderstand?
The floor is yours, kloppy.
Could you tell me what black culture or being black enough, as the beeb describe, means?
Is it something a white person could never fathom?
But a mixed race person would half get?
Enlighten us on race identity.
posted on 15/6/21
Without knowing the exact ins and outs (which nobody here does - but it hasn’t stopped the hysteria from a lot of people playing victim); maybe springwatch wanted to diversify their workforce to broaden its target audience? (It’s just a crazy thought, I know).
I know of podcasts who’ve done similar as they realised their demographic was 25-50 year old white males, and then managed to expand successfully.
posted on 15/6/21
Don't you talk to me about victimisation. Nobody's blacker than me, son.
posted on 15/6/21
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posted 3 minutes ago
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posted 50 seconds ago
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posted 8 seconds ago
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posted 4 seconds ago
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posted 6 minutes ago
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posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Oranje Boven - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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What? You mean not all black people talk like a Jamaican, suck their teeth, walk with a limp and have their trousers round their knees?
MIND BLOWN!!
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Sound's like my Grandad.
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I do all of the above.
Must be black?
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Ted Hastings (U22647)
posted 22 seconds ago
Don't you talk to me about victimisation. Nobody's blacker than me, son.
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So he is.
Ted is so black, he went white.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 36 seconds ago
Her point was although there was diversity in the casting, there wasn’t in the character, it’s not that difficult a premise to grasp.
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I grasp it fine, i just don’t agree that everything has to highlight some kind of diversity.
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Neither did she.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 36 seconds ago
Her point was although there was diversity in the casting, there wasn’t in the character, it’s not that difficult a premise to grasp.
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I grasp it fine, i just don’t agree that everything has to highlight some kind of diversity.
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Its not everything though is it? But you must be feeling like it's everything.
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It’s a figure of speech. But then you already know that, don’t you? Though certainly in your case ‘everything would be pretty accurate’.
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