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posted 46 seconds ago
Don't you talk to me about victimisation. Nobody's blacker than me, son.
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Sorry to hear that. At least they are creating job opportunities for people like you now. Chin up.
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comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
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But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
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So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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I wasn’t aware that Luther was supposed to be about a black police officer. I thought it was about a police officer that had a lot of ‘demons’, who happened to be played by a black person. The way I see it he got the role because he was good at playing that dark, slightly unhinged character.
In which case he got the role purely on merit. Which is what everything should be based on.
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That's pretty much what Miranda Wayland was getting at, Term. Her point was really about what Luther as a drama wasn't, which was seized on by the usual suspects.
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So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
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What is black culture?
Not aimed at you Term, but the more woke among us.
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Are you asking because you genuinely don't know any of the the elements that make up the British black cultural experience?
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This statement made chuckle. Like there is a fixed criteria that explains black culture in the UK 😅
Class/wealth/education is a more divisive factor from my experiences. A rich or middle class person of colour will have different experiences to a poor person. The fact that black people's culture varies massively depending on where their family originates is also a big thing.
Racism I've encountered is as much from the black community as it is the white community and colour/creed should take 2nd place to who is the best applicant. Are we suddenly going to start banning jews/Asians from being Dr's because they dominate they profession by studying their a55es off? It's all PC madness. Typical BBC but I wouldn't call it racism.
Imagine explaining to an applicant he got the job because of his colour, not because of how capable he was. Anyone with integrity would take offence at that tbh
Now we're sucking diesel.
"Everything" is not a figure of speech saan. I'm not sure you know what a figure of speech is.
"Everything" is an exaggeration that's meant to make it look worse than it is.
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posted 1 minute ago
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comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 36 seconds ago
Her point was although there was diversity in the casting, there wasn’t in the character, it’s not that difficult a premise to grasp.
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I grasp it fine, i just don’t agree that everything has to highlight some kind of diversity.
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Neither did she.
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So why does Luther need to have been written with more black culture references? I thought it was pretty good just as it was.
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 53 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 36 seconds ago
Her point was although there was diversity in the casting, there wasn’t in the character, it’s not that difficult a premise to grasp.
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I grasp it fine, i just don’t agree that everything has to highlight some kind of diversity.
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Neither did she.
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So why does Luther need to have been written with more black culture references? I thought it was pretty good just as it was.
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Luther doesn't "need" to be written like that. It could have but it didn't need to.
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posted 11 seconds ago
"Everything" is not a figure of speech saan. I'm not sure you know what a figure of speech is.
"Everything" is an exaggeration that's meant to make it look worse than it is.
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Typical Mamba, it’s all about the oneupmanship for you, always has been. You have nothing to prove to anyone, stop acting like you do.
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 53 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 36 seconds ago
Her point was although there was diversity in the casting, there wasn’t in the character, it’s not that difficult a premise to grasp.
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I grasp it fine, i just don’t agree that everything has to highlight some kind of diversity.
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Neither did she.
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So why does Luther need to have been written with more black culture references? I thought it was pretty good just as it was.
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Luther doesn't "need" to be written like that. It could have but it didn't need to.
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A pointless point. Thanks.
I guess her point is more that there isn’t enough ‘Luther’ type shows written with a black main character in mind. I don’t agree and can think of quite a few great black British shows in the past decade.
comment by Ted Hastings (U22647)
posted 4 minutes ago
Now we're sucking diesel.
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I actually did come up the lagan in a bubble, so i did.
From the way some people talk you'd think we are besieged by initiatives for non white people, when the situation on the ground couldn't be any more different.
The mentality being created is like " enough of this" but the truth is far from that.
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
From the way some people talk you'd think we are besieged by initiatives for non white people, when the situation on the ground couldn't be any more different.
The mentality being created is like " enough of this" but the truth is far from that.
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Coming over here, taking our entry level media jobs.
I AM SICK OF IT
We've been round the houses. Round the houses and down the bloody drains.
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posted 5 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Oranje Boven - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
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But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
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So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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I wasn’t aware that Luther was supposed to be about a black police officer. I thought it was about a police officer that had a lot of ‘demons’, who happened to be played by a black person. The way I see it he got the role because he was good at playing that dark, slightly unhinged character.
In which case he got the role purely on merit. Which is what everything should be based on.
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That's pretty much what Miranda Wayland was getting at, Term. Her point was really about what Luther as a drama wasn't, which was seized on by the usual suspects.
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So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
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What is black culture?
Not aimed at you Term, but the more woke among us.
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Are you asking because you genuinely don't know any of the the elements that make up the British black cultural experience?
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This statement made chuckle. Like there is a fixed criteria that explains black culture in the UK 😅
Class/wealth/education is a more divisive factor from my experiences. A rich or middle class person of colour will have different experiences to a poor person. The fact that black people's culture varies massively depending on where their family originates is also a big thing.
Racism I've encountered is as much from the black community as it is the white community and colour/creed should take 2nd place to who is the best applicant. Are we suddenly going to start banning jews/Asians from being Dr's because they dominate they profession by studying their a55es off? It's all PC madness. Typical BBC but I wouldn't call it racism.
Imagine explaining to an applicant he got the job because of his colour, not because of how capable he was. Anyone with integrity would take offence at that tbh
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Sounds like a class divide there, like rich and poor white or asian, but what specifically is black culture?
I am pretending to be a BBC agent seeking a proper black Luther here, so playing devil's advocate, if you will?
I don't really do white cop, black cop identity stuff, so just saw Sweeney, or Luther as cops, flawed, with demons.
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posted 6 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 36 seconds ago
Her point was although there was diversity in the casting, there wasn’t in the character, it’s not that difficult a premise to grasp.
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I grasp it fine, i just don’t agree that everything has to highlight some kind of diversity.
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Neither did she.
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So why does Luther need to have been written with more black culture references? I thought it was pretty good just as it was.
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Luther doesn't "need" to be written like that. It could have but it didn't need to.
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What black culture references would you have wished to see?
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
From the way some people talk you'd think we are besieged by initiatives for non white people, when the situation on the ground couldn't be any more different.
The mentality being created is like " enough of this" but the truth is far from that.
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Coming over here, taking our entry level media jobs.
I AM SICK OF IT
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With us or against us, yeah?
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posted 5 minutes ago
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posted 54 seconds ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 36 seconds ago
Her point was although there was diversity in the casting, there wasn’t in the character, it’s not that difficult a premise to grasp.
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I grasp it fine, i just don’t agree that everything has to highlight some kind of diversity.
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Neither did she.
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So why does Luther need to have been written with more black culture references? I thought it was pretty good just as it was.
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Luther doesn't "need" to be written like that. It could have but it didn't need to.
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A pointless point. Thanks.
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More deflections than the Scottish defence, mate.
I don't think he knows what he is waffling about, so goes I to pedant default mode, lol
comment by Ted Hastings (U22647)
posted 3 minutes ago
We've been round the houses. Round the houses and down the bloody drains.
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Jesus, Mary and Joseph, and the wee donkey.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
From the way some people talk you'd think we are besieged by initiatives for non white people, when the situation on the ground couldn't be any more different.
The mentality being created is like " enough of this" but the truth is far from that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Coming over here, taking our entry level media jobs.
I AM SICK OF IT
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With us or against us, yeah?
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Yeah man this makes no difference to me and so what if they're likely attempting to redress the balance after decades of institutional racism ... this is WRONG and it makes me ANGRY. PC gone MAD.
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
From the way some people talk you'd think we are besieged by initiatives for non white people, when the situation on the ground couldn't be any more different.
The mentality being created is like " enough of this" but the truth is far from that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Coming over here, taking our entry level media jobs.
I AM SICK OF IT
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With us or against us, yeah?
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Yeah man this makes no difference to me and so what if they're likely attempting to redress the balance after decades of institutional racism ... this is WRONG and it makes me ANGRY. PC gone MAD.
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You have a job, so it makes no difference to you either.
Easy this.
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 36 seconds ago
Her point was although there was diversity in the casting, there wasn’t in the character, it’s not that difficult a premise to grasp.
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I grasp it fine, i just don’t agree that everything has to highlight some kind of diversity.
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Neither did she.
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So why does Luther need to have been written with more black culture references? I thought it was pretty good just as it was.
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It doesn’t necessarily. Have you watched the discussion as I think you’re missing her point though?
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
From the way some people talk you'd think we are besieged by initiatives for non white people, when the situation on the ground couldn't be any more different.
The mentality being created is like " enough of this" but the truth is far from that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Coming over here, taking our entry level media jobs.
I AM SICK OF IT
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Me too. I'm puking as we speak
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
From the way some people talk you'd think we are besieged by initiatives for non white people, when the situation on the ground couldn't be any more different.
The mentality being created is like " enough of this" but the truth is far from that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Coming over here, taking our entry level media jobs.
I AM SICK OF IT
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With us or against us, yeah?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah man this makes no difference to me and so what if they're likely attempting to redress the balance after decades of institutional racism ... this is WRONG and it makes me ANGRY. PC gone MAD.
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What percentage of BBC staff are black?
Considering 4% of UK is black.
Was the BBC racist?
Examples, please.
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
From the way some people talk you'd think we are besieged by initiatives for non white people, when the situation on the ground couldn't be any more different.
The mentality being created is like " enough of this" but the truth is far from that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Coming over here, taking our entry level media jobs.
I AM SICK OF IT
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Me too. I'm puking as we speak
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And there’s me thinking it was just shiite coming out of your mouth….
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posted on 15/6/21
comment by Ted Hastings (U22647)
posted 46 seconds ago
Don't you talk to me about victimisation. Nobody's blacker than me, son.
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Sorry to hear that. At least they are creating job opportunities for people like you now. Chin up.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Oranje Boven - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
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You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wasn’t aware that Luther was supposed to be about a black police officer. I thought it was about a police officer that had a lot of ‘demons’, who happened to be played by a black person. The way I see it he got the role because he was good at playing that dark, slightly unhinged character.
In which case he got the role purely on merit. Which is what everything should be based on.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's pretty much what Miranda Wayland was getting at, Term. Her point was really about what Luther as a drama wasn't, which was seized on by the usual suspects.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
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What is black culture?
Not aimed at you Term, but the more woke among us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you asking because you genuinely don't know any of the the elements that make up the British black cultural experience?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This statement made chuckle. Like there is a fixed criteria that explains black culture in the UK 😅
Class/wealth/education is a more divisive factor from my experiences. A rich or middle class person of colour will have different experiences to a poor person. The fact that black people's culture varies massively depending on where their family originates is also a big thing.
Racism I've encountered is as much from the black community as it is the white community and colour/creed should take 2nd place to who is the best applicant. Are we suddenly going to start banning jews/Asians from being Dr's because they dominate they profession by studying their a55es off? It's all PC madness. Typical BBC but I wouldn't call it racism.
Imagine explaining to an applicant he got the job because of his colour, not because of how capable he was. Anyone with integrity would take offence at that tbh
posted on 15/6/21
Now we're sucking diesel.
posted on 15/6/21
"Everything" is not a figure of speech saan. I'm not sure you know what a figure of speech is.
"Everything" is an exaggeration that's meant to make it look worse than it is.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 36 seconds ago
Her point was although there was diversity in the casting, there wasn’t in the character, it’s not that difficult a premise to grasp.
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I grasp it fine, i just don’t agree that everything has to highlight some kind of diversity.
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Neither did she.
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So why does Luther need to have been written with more black culture references? I thought it was pretty good just as it was.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 36 seconds ago
Her point was although there was diversity in the casting, there wasn’t in the character, it’s not that difficult a premise to grasp.
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I grasp it fine, i just don’t agree that everything has to highlight some kind of diversity.
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Neither did she.
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So why does Luther need to have been written with more black culture references? I thought it was pretty good just as it was.
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Luther doesn't "need" to be written like that. It could have but it didn't need to.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 11 seconds ago
"Everything" is not a figure of speech saan. I'm not sure you know what a figure of speech is.
"Everything" is an exaggeration that's meant to make it look worse than it is.
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Typical Mamba, it’s all about the oneupmanship for you, always has been. You have nothing to prove to anyone, stop acting like you do.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 36 seconds ago
Her point was although there was diversity in the casting, there wasn’t in the character, it’s not that difficult a premise to grasp.
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I grasp it fine, i just don’t agree that everything has to highlight some kind of diversity.
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Neither did she.
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So why does Luther need to have been written with more black culture references? I thought it was pretty good just as it was.
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Luther doesn't "need" to be written like that. It could have but it didn't need to.
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A pointless point. Thanks.
posted on 15/6/21
I guess her point is more that there isn’t enough ‘Luther’ type shows written with a black main character in mind. I don’t agree and can think of quite a few great black British shows in the past decade.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Ted Hastings (U22647)
posted 4 minutes ago
Now we're sucking diesel.
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I actually did come up the lagan in a bubble, so i did.
posted on 15/6/21
From the way some people talk you'd think we are besieged by initiatives for non white people, when the situation on the ground couldn't be any more different.
The mentality being created is like " enough of this" but the truth is far from that.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
From the way some people talk you'd think we are besieged by initiatives for non white people, when the situation on the ground couldn't be any more different.
The mentality being created is like " enough of this" but the truth is far from that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Coming over here, taking our entry level media jobs.
I AM SICK OF IT
posted on 15/6/21
We've been round the houses. Round the houses and down the bloody drains.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man Says Every Single One Of Us Loves Alex Ferguson (U1270)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by South Side (U20009)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Oranje Boven - Admin 5 (U1250)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
On the job advert, as well as a list of required/desirable skills, they should also include a colour chart.
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The colour chart won't make a difference at the BBC. Idris Elba looks black to me, but not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're talking about Miranda Wayland's quote about under-representation of black lead characters in British drama aren't you? Her point that Luther wasn't black enough was based on the fact that Neil Cross wrote the character as white, so there was no cultural underpinning in Luther to anchor him to black experience, and the programme was only diverse on a superficial level. This was (and still is) wildly misinterpreted as 'Luther not black enough according to BBC's diversity chiefs', referring to the colour of his skin.
Again, it's a good argument to have, but not on the 'Idris Elba not black enough, says BBC' level.
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He's an actor. He can play any role in my book.
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But the quote was referring to black cultural characterisation, not simply the colour of an actor's skin.
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So all black people have the same upbringing and culture then and should play up to those perceived stereotypes?
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I wasn’t aware that Luther was supposed to be about a black police officer. I thought it was about a police officer that had a lot of ‘demons’, who happened to be played by a black person. The way I see it he got the role because he was good at playing that dark, slightly unhinged character.
In which case he got the role purely on merit. Which is what everything should be based on.
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That's pretty much what Miranda Wayland was getting at, Term. Her point was really about what Luther as a drama wasn't, which was seized on by the usual suspects.
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So unless I’ve got this completely wrong, she’s saying that the show should have been written with a black actor in mind and with more references to the fact the lead role is a black man? The fact it wasn’t loaded with references to black culture leads her to suggest it was written for a white person to play. Why does everything have to be labelled one or the other, why not just accept it’s about a troubled police officer and leave it at that?
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What is black culture?
Not aimed at you Term, but the more woke among us.
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Are you asking because you genuinely don't know any of the the elements that make up the British black cultural experience?
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This statement made chuckle. Like there is a fixed criteria that explains black culture in the UK 😅
Class/wealth/education is a more divisive factor from my experiences. A rich or middle class person of colour will have different experiences to a poor person. The fact that black people's culture varies massively depending on where their family originates is also a big thing.
Racism I've encountered is as much from the black community as it is the white community and colour/creed should take 2nd place to who is the best applicant. Are we suddenly going to start banning jews/Asians from being Dr's because they dominate they profession by studying their a55es off? It's all PC madness. Typical BBC but I wouldn't call it racism.
Imagine explaining to an applicant he got the job because of his colour, not because of how capable he was. Anyone with integrity would take offence at that tbh
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Sounds like a class divide there, like rich and poor white or asian, but what specifically is black culture?
I am pretending to be a BBC agent seeking a proper black Luther here, so playing devil's advocate, if you will?
I don't really do white cop, black cop identity stuff, so just saw Sweeney, or Luther as cops, flawed, with demons.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 36 seconds ago
Her point was although there was diversity in the casting, there wasn’t in the character, it’s not that difficult a premise to grasp.
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I grasp it fine, i just don’t agree that everything has to highlight some kind of diversity.
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Neither did she.
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So why does Luther need to have been written with more black culture references? I thought it was pretty good just as it was.
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Luther doesn't "need" to be written like that. It could have but it didn't need to.
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What black culture references would you have wished to see?
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
From the way some people talk you'd think we are besieged by initiatives for non white people, when the situation on the ground couldn't be any more different.
The mentality being created is like " enough of this" but the truth is far from that.
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Coming over here, taking our entry level media jobs.
I AM SICK OF IT
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With us or against us, yeah?
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 36 seconds ago
Her point was although there was diversity in the casting, there wasn’t in the character, it’s not that difficult a premise to grasp.
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I grasp it fine, i just don’t agree that everything has to highlight some kind of diversity.
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Neither did she.
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So why does Luther need to have been written with more black culture references? I thought it was pretty good just as it was.
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Luther doesn't "need" to be written like that. It could have but it didn't need to.
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A pointless point. Thanks.
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More deflections than the Scottish defence, mate.
I don't think he knows what he is waffling about, so goes I to pedant default mode, lol
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Ted Hastings (U22647)
posted 3 minutes ago
We've been round the houses. Round the houses and down the bloody drains.
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Jesus, Mary and Joseph, and the wee donkey.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
From the way some people talk you'd think we are besieged by initiatives for non white people, when the situation on the ground couldn't be any more different.
The mentality being created is like " enough of this" but the truth is far from that.
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Coming over here, taking our entry level media jobs.
I AM SICK OF IT
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With us or against us, yeah?
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Yeah man this makes no difference to me and so what if they're likely attempting to redress the balance after decades of institutional racism ... this is WRONG and it makes me ANGRY. PC gone MAD.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
From the way some people talk you'd think we are besieged by initiatives for non white people, when the situation on the ground couldn't be any more different.
The mentality being created is like " enough of this" but the truth is far from that.
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Coming over here, taking our entry level media jobs.
I AM SICK OF IT
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With us or against us, yeah?
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Yeah man this makes no difference to me and so what if they're likely attempting to redress the balance after decades of institutional racism ... this is WRONG and it makes me ANGRY. PC gone MAD.
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You have a job, so it makes no difference to you either.
Easy this.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 36 seconds ago
Her point was although there was diversity in the casting, there wasn’t in the character, it’s not that difficult a premise to grasp.
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I grasp it fine, i just don’t agree that everything has to highlight some kind of diversity.
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Neither did she.
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So why does Luther need to have been written with more black culture references? I thought it was pretty good just as it was.
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It doesn’t necessarily. Have you watched the discussion as I think you’re missing her point though?
posted on 15/6/21
Yes that's what I said.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
From the way some people talk you'd think we are besieged by initiatives for non white people, when the situation on the ground couldn't be any more different.
The mentality being created is like " enough of this" but the truth is far from that.
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Coming over here, taking our entry level media jobs.
I AM SICK OF IT
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Me too. I'm puking as we speak
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
From the way some people talk you'd think we are besieged by initiatives for non white people, when the situation on the ground couldn't be any more different.
The mentality being created is like " enough of this" but the truth is far from that.
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Coming over here, taking our entry level media jobs.
I AM SICK OF IT
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With us or against us, yeah?
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Yeah man this makes no difference to me and so what if they're likely attempting to redress the balance after decades of institutional racism ... this is WRONG and it makes me ANGRY. PC gone MAD.
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What percentage of BBC staff are black?
Considering 4% of UK is black.
Was the BBC racist?
Examples, please.
posted on 15/6/21
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
From the way some people talk you'd think we are besieged by initiatives for non white people, when the situation on the ground couldn't be any more different.
The mentality being created is like " enough of this" but the truth is far from that.
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Coming over here, taking our entry level media jobs.
I AM SICK OF IT
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Me too. I'm puking as we speak
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And there’s me thinking it was just shiite coming out of your mouth….
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