comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
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comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
From the way some people talk you'd think we are besieged by initiatives for non white people, when the situation on the ground couldn't be any more different.

The mentality being created is like " enough of this" but the truth is far from that.
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Coming over here, taking our entry level media jobs.

I AM SICK OF IT
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With us or against us, yeah?
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Yeah man this makes no difference to me and so what if they're likely attempting to redress the balance after decades of institutional racism ... this is WRONG and it makes me ANGRY. PC gone MAD.
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Yeah, redressing that balance is actually racist now.

We need to go back to the good times when the best person for the job always got the job.

Thats how its always been and now they're changing it with all these initiatives for non whites.

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 36 seconds ago
Her point was although there was diversity in the casting, there wasn’t in the character, it’s not that difficult a premise to grasp.
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I grasp it fine, i just don’t agree that everything has to highlight some kind of diversity.
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Neither did she.

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So why does Luther need to have been written with more black culture references? I thought it was pretty good just as it was.
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It doesn’t necessarily. Have you watched the discussion as I think you’re missing her point though?

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What black cultural references were missing from the Luther character?

Anyone?

comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
Yes that's what I said.
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Sorry, I thought you were doing your usual speaking as the third party thing.

comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
From the way some people talk you'd think we are besieged by initiatives for non white people, when the situation on the ground couldn't be any more different.

The mentality being created is like " enough of this" but the truth is far from that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Coming over here, taking our entry level media jobs.

I AM SICK OF IT
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Me too. I'm puking as we speak
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And there’s me thinking it was just shiite coming out of your mouth….
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To you it looks like shiite of course. What else could it be?

comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
From the way some people talk you'd think we are besieged by initiatives for non white people, when the situation on the ground couldn't be any more different.

The mentality being created is like " enough of this" but the truth is far from that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Coming over here, taking our entry level media jobs.

I AM SICK OF IT
----------------------------------------------------------------------
With us or against us, yeah?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yeah man this makes no difference to me and so what if they're likely attempting to redress the balance after decades of institutional racism ... this is WRONG and it makes me ANGRY. PC gone MAD.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, redressing that balance is actually racist now.

We need to go back to the good times when the best person for the job always got the job.

Thats how its always been and now they're changing it with all these initiatives for non whites.
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And now you’re completely making things up. Us white folks on here said nothing of the sort.

comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
From the way some people talk you'd think we are besieged by initiatives for non white people, when the situation on the ground couldn't be any more different.

The mentality being created is like " enough of this" but the truth is far from that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Coming over here, taking our entry level media jobs.

I AM SICK OF IT
----------------------------------------------------------------------
With us or against us, yeah?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yeah man this makes no difference to me and so what if they're likely attempting to redress the balance after decades of institutional racism ... this is WRONG and it makes me ANGRY. PC gone MAD.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, redressing that balance is actually racist now.

We need to go back to the good times when the best person for the job always got the job.

Thats how its always been and now they're changing it with all these initiatives for non whites.
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So, best person for the job is wrong?

Skin tone matters more or box ticking?

Do black people agree with this concept?

How is the BBC racist or not representative of the 4% black UK populace?

comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 36 seconds ago
Her point was although there was diversity in the casting, there wasn’t in the character, it’s not that difficult a premise to grasp.
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I grasp it fine, i just don’t agree that everything has to highlight some kind of diversity.
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Neither did she.

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So why does Luther need to have been written with more black culture references? I thought it was pretty good just as it was.
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It doesn’t necessarily. Have you watched the discussion as I think you’re missing her point though?

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What black cultural references were missing from the Luther character?

Anyone?
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You won’t get an answer for the exact same reason and point that Wayland was trying to make, ironically.

comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
From the way some people talk you'd think we are besieged by initiatives for non white people, when the situation on the ground couldn't be any more different.

The mentality being created is like " enough of this" but the truth is far from that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Coming over here, taking our entry level media jobs.

I AM SICK OF IT
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Me too. I'm puking as we speak
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And there’s me thinking it was just shiite coming out of your mouth….
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To you it looks like shiite of course. What else could it be?
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With reference to yourself, nothing.

Anyone tell us what percentage of BBC on screen staff are black?

Remember, 4% of UK is black.

And can anyone tell us what black cultural references Luther lacked, or was not given?

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 36 seconds ago
Her point was although there was diversity in the casting, there wasn’t in the character, it’s not that difficult a premise to grasp.
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I grasp it fine, i just don’t agree that everything has to highlight some kind of diversity.
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Neither did she.

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So why does Luther need to have been written with more black culture references? I thought it was pretty good just as it was.
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It doesn’t necessarily. Have you watched the discussion as I think you’re missing her point though?

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What black cultural references were missing from the Luther character?

Anyone?
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You won’t get an answer for the exact same reason and point that Wayland was trying to make, ironically.



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Not even an opinion or suggestion, is sad.

Why so coy?

comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
From the way some people talk you'd think we are besieged by initiatives for non white people, when the situation on the ground couldn't be any more different.

The mentality being created is like " enough of this" but the truth is far from that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Coming over here, taking our entry level media jobs.

I AM SICK OF IT
----------------------------------------------------------------------
With us or against us, yeah?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yeah man this makes no difference to me and so what if they're likely attempting to redress the balance after decades of institutional racism ... this is WRONG and it makes me ANGRY. PC gone MAD.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, redressing that balance is actually racist now.

We need to go back to the good times when the best person for the job always got the job.

Thats how its always been and now they're changing it with all these initiatives for non whites.
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And now you’re completely making things up. Us white folks on here said nothing of the sort.
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Was a figure of speech.

comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 2 minutes ago
Anyone tell us what percentage of BBC on screen staff are black?

Remember, 4% of UK is black.

And can anyone tell us what black cultural references Luther lacked, or was not given?
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So BBC staff shouls also be 4% black?

To reflect the population?

With a mindset like this no wonder you dont get it.

Term was told he would not understand, but nobody educates or offers an answer, so what are we to make of people saying a character was not black enough, or lacked black cultural references etc.

Could it be cops and humans are just that, rather than defined by accident of birth skin pigmentation?

Because it’s such a stupid question.

To quote the writer of Luther directly:

“I have no knowledge or expertise or right to try to tackle in some way the experience of being a black man in modern Britain.

It would have been an act of tremendous arrogance for me to try and write a Black character. We would have ended up with an slightly embarrassed, ignorant, middle-class, white writers idea of a black character”.

And yet you’re asking people to do exactly that.

comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 4 minutes ago
Anyone tell us what percentage of BBC on screen staff are black?

Remember, 4% of UK is black.

And can anyone tell us what black cultural references Luther lacked, or was not given?
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Why does anyone on this thread have to spoonfed you this info?

Even if I wrote a long essay explaining this to you it would be a waste of my time as you'd just make up some sheet to oppose it and if you cant, you'd just move on to the next thing.

You don;t get answers because you are a lost cause, not because there are no answers.

comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 2 minutes ago
Anyone tell us what percentage of BBC on screen staff are black?

Remember, 4% of UK is black.

And can anyone tell us what black cultural references Luther lacked, or was not given?
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So BBC staff shouls also be 4% black?

To reflect the population?

With a mindset like this no wonder you dont get it.
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What percentage at BBC are black, as we are told there was institutional racism, therefore there would be less than 4% .....I did not say 4% was a goal or limit.

What is black culture or how should black actors be more black, going forward?

comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
Term was told he would not understand, but nobody educates or offers an answer, so what are we to make of people saying a character was not black enough, or lacked black cultural references etc.

Could it be cops and humans are just that, rather than defined by accident of birth skin pigmentation?
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Perhaps you can find those answers for yourself instead of always asking other people to provide them.

What percentage at BBC are black, as we are told there was institutional racism, therefore there would be less than 4%
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comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
Because it’s such a stupid question.

To quote the writer of Luther directly:

“I have no knowledge or expertise or right to try to tackle in some way the experience of being a black man in modern Britain.

It would have been an act of tremendous arrogance for me to try and write a Black character. We would have ended up with an slightly embarrassed, ignorant, middle-class, white writers idea of a black character”.

And yet you’re asking people to do exactly that.
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I was asking what black culture was too?

Why do we need more black people to be on bbc screens or Springwatch....are they under represented now or victims of racism?

comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
Term was told he would not understand, but nobody educates or offers an answer, so what are we to make of people saying a character was not black enough, or lacked black cultural references etc.

Could it be cops and humans are just that, rather than defined by accident of birth skin pigmentation?
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Perhaps you can find those answers for yourself instead of always asking other people to provide them.
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So, you have no idea what black culture is or what being a black man in Britain means, in the context of a white writer with Luther?

Why not just say so?

I could not tell you what white culture is, as I do not believe in skin pigmentation theory.

TBAB
Lets use your logic for a minute then.

The UK is 81% white or thereabouts.

Only 11% of BBC employees are non white.

Going by your logic, the BBC need to get that up to at least 19%.

I suggest that from now on the BBC should only give jobs to non whites until such a time when the percentage reflects the population.

Thanks for the idea.

comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
Term was told he would not understand, but nobody educates or offers an answer, so what are we to make of people saying a character was not black enough, or lacked black cultural references etc.

Could it be cops and humans are just that, rather than defined by accident of birth skin pigmentation?
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Perhaps you can find those answers for yourself instead of always asking other people to provide them.
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You said Term did not understand, so I asked you to explain.

You failed.

comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
Because it’s such a stupid question.

To quote the writer of Luther directly:

“I have no knowledge or expertise or right to try to tackle in some way the experience of being a black man in modern Britain.

It would have been an act of tremendous arrogance for me to try and write a Black character. We would have ended up with an slightly embarrassed, ignorant, middle-class, white writers idea of a black character”.

And yet you’re asking people to do exactly that.
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I was asking what black culture was too?

Why do we need more black people to be on bbc screens or Springwatch....are they under represented now or victims of racism?
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And you’d get the same answer to your first point.

comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - The Artist Formerly Known as Prince (U1282)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
Term was told he would not understand, but nobody educates or offers an answer, so what are we to make of people saying a character was not black enough, or lacked black cultural references etc.

Could it be cops and humans are just that, rather than defined by accident of birth skin pigmentation?
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Perhaps you can find those answers for yourself instead of always asking other people to provide them.
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You said Term did not understand, so I asked you to explain.

You failed.
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I didn't fail. I refused. Why should I work to post this info for you? I mean, who da fuq do you think you are? And stop acting like it would make a facking difference to you because it wouldn't and I know that from experience.